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2012-10-13 04:07:18 PM  
6 votes:

Slam1263: Carrying water for progressivesreality since 1804.


Fixed.
2012-10-13 08:21:16 PM  
4 votes:

King Something: The internet and Fox News.


If Obama wins the next two debates, look for Fox News to start saying that debates are irrelevant.
2012-10-13 06:58:16 PM  
4 votes:
Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.
2012-10-14 07:00:25 AM  
3 votes:

armoredbulldozer: You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....


Actually, the really frightening thing, were I to take your word as unvarnished truth, would be that a fifth of America's entire economy is based upon profiteering from illness and injury.
2012-10-13 08:20:31 PM  
3 votes:

James F. Campbell: In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?



The media needed a big story to make the race tight, and they got it. Half of Romney's bump is due to the over-the-top media coverage of the first debate. The story SHOULD have been "Romney just completely reversed half of his platform in 90-minutes," but that would have led us into Obama landslide territory, and dammit we have ratings wars to win here, people.
2012-10-13 08:17:37 PM  
3 votes:
Hmm. Perhaps Obama's poor performance in the first debate was a trick to get people to pay more attention to the next debates, where Romney will be crushed. At least I hope this is the case. In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?
2012-10-13 04:07:08 PM  
3 votes:
Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.
2012-10-13 03:51:11 PM  
3 votes:
Silver's twitter feed spells it out today: "Obama finally broke Romney's 8-day winning streak in our forecast" and "G.O.P. Senate Hopes Fade" and... WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?
2012-10-13 08:50:17 PM  
2 votes:

hawcian: Robo Beat: hawcian: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.

Clearing cache, cookies, et cetera seems to do the trick for me.

I think NYTimes uses cookies to track how many times you've visited, so that makes sense. (Also why switching browsers or using the porn private mode on browsers work)


Wait for the site to load and the paywall to appear. Then go to the URL and delete "?gwh=" and everything that comes after it. It works for me every time.
2012-10-13 08:45:38 PM  
2 votes:

Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Impeachment.
2012-10-13 08:26:23 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.


If Obama gets reelected and the election is called by midnight Pacific, somebody on FOX News will say "lame duck" before the sun rises on the East Coast.
2012-10-13 08:22:00 PM  
2 votes:

Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.


Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.
2012-10-13 08:19:46 PM  
2 votes:

James F. Campbell: Hmm. Perhaps Obama's poor performance in the first debate was a trick to get people to pay more attention to the next debates, where Romney will be crushed. At least I hope this is the case. In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?


The internet and Fox News.
2012-10-13 08:12:11 PM  
2 votes:

Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?


Use privacy or incognito mode and you can read as many articles as you want.
2012-10-13 04:22:42 PM  
2 votes:

Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.


Hi new election troll alt.
2012-10-15 10:19:27 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Don't you have a truncated school bus to catch?

No derp. You have me confused with someone else. So I am evil because I don't like ObamaCare or Obama? How many aliases do you have?


totally.

How anyone can support obamacare is beyond me. Its an infringement of your freedom and mine and that of every American.

Nothing is more American than the right we all have to have our livelihoods destroyed by illness when we're unemployed and uninsured. Nothing is more of a testament to American achievement than being unable to get insurance on the open market because of a preexisting condition for you, your spouse, or especially your children. We must never forget the children of this country, the future upon which we all depend. They too should never be denied the right to be denied affordable health care because of having been ill, or ADHD, or some other profit margin eroding illness. They must do their part to assure and ensure the profit margins of the great Insurance Companies which defend our very way of life and maintain the sanctity of our precious bodily fluids. Pass on those people, pass the cost of their health care onto the families, the communities, the ERs, because spreading that risk around the entire population through mandated care, that's just bad business for the insurance companies. And as we all know, that's un-American.
2012-10-15 08:48:48 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?


Don't you have a truncated school bus to catch?
2012-10-15 08:07:49 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.

* yawn *

Good, your dumb ass is finally tired. Throw your computer into the nearest trash receptacle.


It's good to see that they let the third string trolls play an inning or two.
2012-10-15 07:27:31 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.


* yawn *
2012-10-15 06:53:17 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....

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Is it your job to throw random insults? That's all ya got? Your parents must be so proud.


i1162.photobucket.com
2012-10-15 05:55:39 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....


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2012-10-14 02:27:38 PM  
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: One has to wonder if the media's attempt to make this a close race is to cover for the GOP's obviously failed 'make Obama a wildly unpopular President.' He's obviously still liked by a lot of people, and the stench of the Dubya Economy is evading him like none other. The GOP has to be worried since the only weapon they really had left was the media, and now it's unable to really change public opinion to whatever they want.

The Republicans are starting to realize they have wildly overstepped. Whether or not the Democrats under Obama will let them take back various parts of their platform they threw away for the Religious Right is a very interesting question.


The parts that did the most damage were the ones they threw away for the corporate kleptocrats.

I honestly wouldn't mind their welfare-gutting if it was replaced with jobs programs and public works projects, it screws single parents, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to force others to make. There are also alternative methods of helping the helpless that would improve their situation while not being the "immoral" (eyeroll) handouts. Problem is they don't want that, they want to starve the peasants and laugh at them while giving bigger and bigger handouts to the already-rich.
2012-10-14 12:32:37 PM  
1 votes:
armoredbulldozer
I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.

Gee willikers. Many of us are just gosh-durned former Republicans who are just plain-diddly-danged sick of GOP bunk.

But, shucks, if celebrating Obama and Romney implementing the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank)'s plan to tighten the ol' belt on health insurance abuses makes me a pinko, well... I guess I'll just figure a swell way to squeeze these beets into my apple pie.
2012-10-14 12:11:32 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: James F. Campbell: In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?


The media needed a big story to make the race tight, and they got it. Half of Romney's bump is due to the over-the-top media coverage of the first debate. The story SHOULD have been "Romney just completely reversed half of his platform in 90-minutes," but that would have led us into Obama landslide territory, and dammit we have ratings wars to win here, people.


I feel like the media totally drove this story as well. 538 pointed out there was one firm (google actually I think) that polled poeple during the debate and then afterwards. Those polled during the debate felt it was a wash. Those polled after, when the media was going nuts about how awful Obama had been, thought Romney one.

Most people don't watch debates (and the people that do probably tend to be more informed voters who are less likely to change sides at this late stage). So most people get their impressions of the debate from the media.
2012-10-14 08:39:20 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: armoredbulldozer:

Obamacare was written by a committee that doesnt understand it, passed by a congress that didnt read it, signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didnt pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke.


Dude, Obamacare was so 2010. the Supreme court has ruled, it is constitutional and it's not going anywhere. It's also becoming more popular evey passing year, within five years it will be de rigeur and in 10 years it will be as entrenched as Medicare. You need to move on.

Also, out of curiosity... Are you against medicare? Because that program is FAR more socialist than Obamacare.
2012-10-14 08:18:23 AM  
1 votes:

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: I love this thread, it has everything.


And yet, it has nothing.
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2012-10-14 08:17:41 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: amiable: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

Welp I got some bad news for you:

Bad News 1: It looks like the dems are taking the senate no matter what and there is NO way they are going to dismantle the signature piece of legislation they have spent 50 years working on.

Bad news 2: after the worst week in Obama's campaign now the bleeding has stopped and has begun to reverse, even at his lowest point he still had a 5-6 point lead in ohio and has a massive lead in the early voting. Romney is not going to win without Ohio.

Bad news 3: Do you think it is likely even if Romney squeaks by, that your fair-haired golden boy is going to repeal obama care? He pretty much said he is planning on keeping most of the provisions.

Well, the SCOTUs is taking another swing at it. I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.


Pinkos eh?

60% of healthcare in this country is already run by gov't, Many people seemed ok with this until the Affordable Healthcare Act. This is because they have admin. costs around 3 %. The Affordable Healthcare Act has a provision in it that requires insurance co.s to pay up to 15% in admin costs. Previously they were at 25-30% this results in savings and still has people covered who were unable to get insurance before due to draconian insurance company rules (pre-existing congenital conditions etc.).

So a bill that regulates insurance co.s and has taxpayers including small businesses receive a tax credit, lowers the cost of healthcare - 60% of which is already paid for by the government and was until the scary black man took office when no one seemed to give a fark about the cost of healthcare or its denial of coverage. This is communism to you??? Regulating insurance companies??? With a plan which republicans came up with???
2012-10-14 08:09:19 AM  
1 votes:

BSABSVR: shower_in_my_socks: Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives since 1804 since the Republicans were the progressive party. 
/NYT was founded in 1851

He un skewed the date


There's also that whole propaganda-to-invade-Iraq thing that I don't recall being progressives liking too much.
2012-10-14 07:40:50 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: amiable: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

Welp I got some bad news for you:

Bad News 1: It looks like the dems are taking the senate no matter what and there is NO way they are going to dismantle the signature piece of legislation they have spent 50 years working on.

Bad news 2: after the worst week in Obama's campaign now the bleeding has stopped and has begun to reverse, even at his lowest point he still had a 5-6 point lead in ohio and has a massive lead in the early voting. Romney is not going to win without Ohio.

Bad news 3: Do you think it is likely even if Romney squeaks by, that your fair-haired golden boy is going to repeal obama care? He pretty much said he is planning on keeping most of the provisions.

Well, the SCOTUS is taking another swing at it. I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.


Obamacare was written by a committee that doesnt understand it, passed by a congress that didnt read it, signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didnt pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke.
2012-10-13 09:17:40 PM  
1 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.

If that happens I for one will be getting drunk on the irony and possibly several glasses of scotch.


In my case, several more glasses of scotch than my average on any particular evening during this election cycle.
2012-10-13 08:43:18 PM  
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?


I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill? I mean, paid to go on Facebook and Twitter and Fark and Reddit and all these other websites and social media platforms and mindlessly spout the party line, insult the other side, and try to fake there being more than just one of you?

We know they are out there, but it's not like they advertise for it in help wanted sections.

Is this some kind of work-from-home rehab program for the brain damaged? A part-time job for an entire chapter of Young Republicans?
2012-10-13 08:39:44 PM  
1 votes:
I think, as far as raw probability goes, that 60/40 is roughly accurate for this particular race, and has been for some time. Part of the danger of having something like a Now Cast is that it sends the wrong message about the election to people that don't know enough about politics, statistics or both.

It's been clear for some time that Republicans mean to make this election a lot closer than 2008. My own personal feeling is that Obama will win, but that the current extrapolations are probably right in that they portray an anything but comfortable win for Obama. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.
2012-10-13 08:32:32 PM  
1 votes:

Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Making sure Obama doesn't get a single bill he wants past. And probably impeachment if they can't think of anything else.
2012-10-13 08:24:45 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration the polls close in Alaska and Hawai'i. If not sooner.


FTFY
2012-10-13 08:20:24 PM  
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: I ignore posts that respond to ignored posts


Yo dawg....
2012-10-13 08:14:07 PM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: GAT_00: born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!

The only login I've ever posted with on this site is this one.

Me too. Can't understand the purpose of an alt. Am I supposed to agree with myself or argue with myself?


Doesn't matter. Just don't post pics of playing with yourself.
2012-10-13 08:01:28 PM  
1 votes:

PanicMan: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

We can only hope.


I'm 100% certain it's a result of the low-information undecided voters, who don't give a shiat about learning the facts (or they would have made up their minds already), listening to the media tell them for days straight "Romney is so much better than Obama because of the debate".
2012-10-13 06:55:05 PM  
1 votes:

xanadian: shower_in_my_socks: WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?

wat


Rocky Mountain poll, a marginal quality pollster. The only reason it isn't being dismissed out of hand is they had Spanish-language interviewers. Even with that it doesn't have a whole lot of credibility.
2012-10-13 06:38:46 PM  
1 votes:
New York times doing FUD? FFS, guys, I asked for DUFF
2012-10-13 04:16:47 PM  
1 votes:

Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives since 1804 since the Republicans were the progressive party.

 

/NYT was founded in 1851
 
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