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2012-10-13 03:51:11 PM
Silver's twitter feed spells it out today: "Obama finally broke Romney's 8-day winning streak in our forecast" and "G.O.P. Senate Hopes Fade" and... WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?
 
2012-10-13 04:04:25 PM
Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.
 
2012-10-13 04:07:08 PM
Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.
 
2012-10-13 04:07:18 PM

Slam1263: Carrying water for progressivesreality since 1804.


Fixed.
 
2012-10-13 04:16:47 PM

Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives since 1804 since the Republicans were the progressive party.

 

/NYT was founded in 1851
 
2012-10-13 04:22:42 PM

Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.


Hi new election troll alt.
 
2012-10-13 04:23:31 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives since 1804 since the Republicans were the progressive party. 

/NYT was founded in 1851


He un skewed the date
 
2012-10-13 04:39:31 PM
What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

I guess public education actually taught history when I was in school.

But hey, nobody will ever accuse progressives of having smarts.
 
2012-10-13 04:43:25 PM
I was impressed at the relative high level of civil discourse in TFA comments...
 
2012-10-13 04:44:09 PM
Partial outing in two posts. Nice.
 
2012-10-13 04:44:52 PM

Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?


Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?
 
2012-10-13 06:23:26 PM

themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?


Almost there, give it another shot.
 
2012-10-13 06:36:44 PM

Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.


Slander politicians all you wait, but leave the Grey Lady alone.
 
2012-10-13 06:38:46 PM
New York times doing FUD? FFS, guys, I asked for DUFF
 
2012-10-13 06:44:01 PM

Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.


You can't brag about your knowledge of history when half of your "joke" is historically inaccurate.

FAIL.
 
2012-10-13 06:49:29 PM

shower_in_my_socks: WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?


wat
 
2012-10-13 06:55:05 PM

xanadian: shower_in_my_socks: WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?

wat


Rocky Mountain poll, a marginal quality pollster. The only reason it isn't being dismissed out of hand is they had Spanish-language interviewers. Even with that it doesn't have a whole lot of credibility.
 
2012-10-13 06:58:16 PM
Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.
 
2012-10-13 07:00:46 PM

Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?


Premier of Schiller's Wilhelm Tell?

I don't get the relevance
 
2012-10-13 07:27:28 PM
FTA: Emblematic of Republicans' problems is Florida

Connie Mack is a bum.
 
2012-10-13 07:29:42 PM

GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.


You would call Heywood Jabloeme a troll? That's harsh, man.
 
2012-10-13 07:41:19 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Premier of Schiller's Wilhelm Tell?

I don't get the relevance


No, it's Emperor Napoleon marries Josephine of Martinique
 
2012-10-13 07:43:29 PM

fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.


THIS. So f*cking much THIS.
 
2012-10-13 07:48:31 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives since 1804 since the Republicans were the progressive party. 

/NYT was founded in 1851


Years are a lieberal conspiracy
 
2012-10-13 07:49:49 PM

Bucky Katt: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

You would call Heywood Jabloeme a troll? That's harsh, man.


Using a fake name is an insult to my friend Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
 
2012-10-13 07:49:56 PM

GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.


Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!
 
2012-10-13 07:50:42 PM

cman: New York times doing FUD? FFS, guys, I asked for DUFF


k.


sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-13 07:52:31 PM

Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.


You're referring to Romney's choice of the FunkMaster himself as his vice presidential running mate

images.starpulse.com
 
2012-10-13 07:53:21 PM

born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!


I think someone should make a joint election troll account that is open to anybody to use.
 
2012-10-13 07:54:42 PM

born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!


The only login I've ever posted with on this site is this one.
 
2012-10-13 07:58:13 PM

Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.


We can only hope.
 
2012-10-13 07:59:43 PM

GAT_00: born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!

The only login I've ever posted with on this site is this one.


Me too. Can't understand the purpose of an alt. Am I supposed to agree with myself or argue with myself?
 
2012-10-13 08:01:28 PM

PanicMan: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

We can only hope.


I'm 100% certain it's a result of the low-information undecided voters, who don't give a shiat about learning the facts (or they would have made up their minds already), listening to the media tell them for days straight "Romney is so much better than Obama because of the debate".
 
2012-10-13 08:01:40 PM
I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?
 
2012-10-13 08:02:07 PM
So is a site has positive polls for their presidential candidate but negative polls for their senatorial candidate, is the site dismissed out right or only the offending information?
 
2012-10-13 08:02:52 PM
36 posts, and I can only see 10. How sad Fark has become.
 
2012-10-13 08:03:51 PM
From the comments:

CHV Illinois

In my lifetime, I don't think I've ever seen a leading candidate take such a nose dive in the polls after one debate - which means one of two things: a) Romney is making a historic comeback, or; b) he's riding a bubble that will pop at the worst possible moment.


I hope it's B, and I hope I can post in the inevitable Fark thread on the Romney break-down before the servers crash.
 
2012-10-13 08:04:39 PM
NYTimes = USSA's Pravda.

George Clinton for president.

/CAR WASH!
 
2012-10-13 08:05:38 PM

simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Premier of Schiller's Wilhelm Tell?

I don't get the relevance

No, it's Emperor Napoleon marries Josephine of Martinique


No no no libtards. He's clearly referring to John Wedgwood founding the Royal Horticultural Society.
 
2012-10-13 08:06:00 PM

born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!


With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?
 
2012-10-13 08:09:00 PM

Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?


You should be able to go to the front page all you want.I know I've visited it way more than 10 times and I haven't been blocked. I have been blocked trying to the read the full blog posts though. You're basically right.

The real fun is in the Senate article. The Romney bump hasn't made it down ticket. Florida is almost solid Dem now. Even the outlier poll that had Romney up by 7 in Florida had the Republican Senate candidate down by 5. Others have double digit lead for Dem Senate in Florida, and now Silver has given Republicans only a 16% chance of getting the Senate from over 60 percent in mid-August.

Would probably support the low information theory for Romney's bump. Hopefully Obama performs better in the other debates and those who want to vote for the "winner" go to Obama.
 
2012-10-13 08:09:38 PM

Bucky Katt: born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!

With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?


I was joking; I think it should be obvious from all the stupid shiat that I say that I'm not hiding behind an alt! :P

/Only one login
 
2012-10-13 08:12:11 PM

Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?


Use privacy or incognito mode and you can read as many articles as you want.
 
2012-10-13 08:14:07 PM

simplicimus: GAT_00: born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!

The only login I've ever posted with on this site is this one.

Me too. Can't understand the purpose of an alt. Am I supposed to agree with myself or argue with myself?


Doesn't matter. Just don't post pics of playing with yourself.
 
2012-10-13 08:15:53 PM

Carth: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Use privacy or incognito mode and you can read as many articles as you want.


Never thought of that. Thanks, man.
 
2012-10-13 08:17:20 PM

James F. Campbell: 36 posts, and I can only see 10. How sad Fark has become.


Or perhaps you're just overzealous with the ignore button.

I can see all the posts and only one guy was acting like a trolly jackass.
 
2012-10-13 08:17:37 PM

Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?


Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.
 
2012-10-13 08:17:37 PM
Hmm. Perhaps Obama's poor performance in the first debate was a trick to get people to pay more attention to the next debates, where Romney will be crushed. At least I hope this is the case. In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?
 
2012-10-13 08:18:29 PM

Dan the Schman: Or perhaps you're just overzealous with the ignore button.

I can see all the posts and only one guy was acting like a trolly jackass.


I ignore posts that respond to ignored posts, and I also put the guy who admitted he was trolling with an alt on ignore.
 
2012-10-13 08:18:40 PM

hawcian: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.


Clearing cache, cookies, et cetera seems to do the trick for me.
 
2012-10-13 08:19:46 PM

James F. Campbell: Hmm. Perhaps Obama's poor performance in the first debate was a trick to get people to pay more attention to the next debates, where Romney will be crushed. At least I hope this is the case. In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?


The internet and Fox News.
 
2012-10-13 08:20:24 PM

James F. Campbell: I ignore posts that respond to ignored posts


Yo dawg....
 
2012-10-13 08:20:31 PM

James F. Campbell: In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?



The media needed a big story to make the race tight, and they got it. Half of Romney's bump is due to the over-the-top media coverage of the first debate. The story SHOULD have been "Romney just completely reversed half of his platform in 90-minutes," but that would have led us into Obama landslide territory, and dammit we have ratings wars to win here, people.
 
2012-10-13 08:21:16 PM

King Something: The internet and Fox News.


If Obama wins the next two debates, look for Fox News to start saying that debates are irrelevant.
 
2012-10-13 08:22:00 PM

Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.


Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.
 
2012-10-13 08:23:41 PM

Robo Beat: hawcian: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.

Clearing cache, cookies, et cetera seems to do the trick for me.


I think NYTimes uses cookies to track how many times you've visited, so that makes sense. (Also why switching browsers or using the porn private mode on browsers work)
 
2012-10-13 08:24:45 PM

fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration the polls close in Alaska and Hawai'i. If not sooner.


FTFY
 
2012-10-13 08:26:23 PM

fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.


If Obama gets reelected and the election is called by midnight Pacific, somebody on FOX News will say "lame duck" before the sun rises on the East Coast.
 
2012-10-13 08:29:35 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: PanicMan: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

We can only hope.

I'm 100% certain it's a result of the low-information undecided voters, who don't give a shiat about learning the facts (or they would have made up their minds already), listening to the media tell them for days straight "Romney is so much better than Obama because of the debate".


Low-information undecided voter is redundant at this point.
 
2012-10-13 08:31:21 PM

12349876: fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.

If Obama gets reelected and the election is called by midnight Pacific, somebody on FOX News will say "lame duck" before the sun rises on the East Coast.


If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?
 
2012-10-13 08:32:32 PM

Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Making sure Obama doesn't get a single bill he wants past. And probably impeachment if they can't think of anything else.
 
2012-10-13 08:33:06 PM

fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.


After the VP debate, CNN was talking about who will run in 2016. So... yeah. Apparently we can't even wait until the end of one election.
 
2012-10-13 08:36:40 PM
Look, the polling data doesn't matter.

What matters are 3 statisticals.
 
2012-10-13 08:36:49 PM

Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Making sure that Democrats don't win the Presidency in 2016. His only job is to try and elect Republican Presidents. After all, it's what his constituents elected him to do.
 
2012-10-13 08:37:53 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?

Making sure Obama doesn't get a single bill he wants past.


www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-10-13 08:39:44 PM
I think, as far as raw probability goes, that 60/40 is roughly accurate for this particular race, and has been for some time. Part of the danger of having something like a Now Cast is that it sends the wrong message about the election to people that don't know enough about politics, statistics or both.

It's been clear for some time that Republicans mean to make this election a lot closer than 2008. My own personal feeling is that Obama will win, but that the current extrapolations are probably right in that they portray an anything but comfortable win for Obama. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.
 
2012-10-13 08:43:18 PM

Bucky Katt: With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?


I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill? I mean, paid to go on Facebook and Twitter and Fark and Reddit and all these other websites and social media platforms and mindlessly spout the party line, insult the other side, and try to fake there being more than just one of you?

We know they are out there, but it's not like they advertise for it in help wanted sections.

Is this some kind of work-from-home rehab program for the brain damaged? A part-time job for an entire chapter of Young Republicans?
 
2012-10-13 08:43:43 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Silver's twitter feed spells it out today: "Obama finally broke Romney's 8-day winning streak in our forecast" and "G.O.P. Senate Hopes Fade" and... WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?


Turns out the pollsters haven't learned how to count Latinos. Some problem with english only questions or other. Arizona is looking like the new Nevada, and Texas, you're next.
 
2012-10-13 08:45:09 PM

culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.


And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.
 
2012-10-13 08:45:38 PM

Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Impeachment.
 
2012-10-13 08:45:53 PM
 
2012-10-13 08:47:00 PM

James F. Campbell: Dan the Schman: Or perhaps you're just overzealous with the ignore button.

I can see all the posts and only one guy was acting like a trolly jackass.

I ignore posts that respond to ignored posts, and I also put the guy who admitted he was trolling with an alt on ignore.


The problem with ignore, and I only have one on ignore, best part forever, is that I don't even know if they're still around.
 
2012-10-13 08:47:45 PM

Notabunny: Americans' Preference Shifts Toward One-Party Government
Change in preferences driven mostly by Democrats (Gallup September 27, 2012)


Given that the spirit of bi-partisanship is dead in Washington, can you blame them?
 
2012-10-13 08:47:59 PM

Graffito:
If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Crush his enemies... see them driven before him... hear the lamentation of their women
 
2012-10-13 08:48:01 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.


The extra funny, bonus thing about that is that the Republicans put enthusiastic support for the Electoral College system as a plank of their platform this year, we'd watch them flip-flop on a main plank in their platform because they got butthurt:

Link

"The Continuing Importance of Protecting the Electoral College

We oppose the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact or any other scheme to abolish or distort the procedures of the Electoral College. We recognize that an unconstitutional effort to impose "national popular vote" would be a mortal threat to our federal system and a guarantee of corruption as every ballot box in every state would become a chance to steal the presidency."
 
2012-10-13 08:49:38 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.


It's already happening. Back before the debate and shortly afterwards I couldn't go a day without hearing how the electoral college is unfair and should be dismantled as soon as possible. From conservatives, no less.

I asked them if they would be comfortable with a President Gore. They didn't like that question too much.
 
2012-10-13 08:50:17 PM

hawcian: Robo Beat: hawcian: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.

Clearing cache, cookies, et cetera seems to do the trick for me.

I think NYTimes uses cookies to track how many times you've visited, so that makes sense. (Also why switching browsers or using the porn private mode on browsers work)


Wait for the site to load and the paywall to appear. Then go to the URL and delete "?gwh=" and everything that comes after it. It works for me every time.
 
2012-10-13 08:50:53 PM

Graffito: 12349876: fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.

If Obama gets reelected and the election is called by midnight Pacific, somebody on FOX News will say "lame duck" before the sun rises on the East Coast.

If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


re-election
 
2012-10-13 08:51:08 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.

You're referring to Romney's choice of the FunkMaster himself as his vice presidential running mate

[images.starpulse.com image 445x560]


Ok got it. Thomas Jefferson re-elected U.S. president/George Clinton vice-president
 
2012-10-13 08:51:20 PM

starsrift: Look, the polling data doesn't matter.

What matters are 3 statisticals.


There are 3 of me?
 
2012-10-13 08:52:09 PM

Silverstaff: Bucky Katt: With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?

I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill? I mean, paid to go on Facebook and Twitter and Fark and Reddit and all these other websites and social media platforms and mindlessly spout the party line, insult the other side, and try to fake there being more than just one of you?

We know they are out there, but it's not like they advertise for it in help wanted sections.

Is this some kind of work-from-home rehab program for the brain damaged? A part-time job for an entire chapter of Young Republicans?


Get a job with Rove's Crossroads GPS and get assigned to do internet trolling.
 
2012-10-13 08:53:49 PM

statisticals: starsrift: Look, the polling data doesn't matter.

What matters are 3 statisticals.

There are 3 of me?



You weren't supposed to know about the other two.
 
2012-10-13 08:54:54 PM

Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives centrist corporate insiders since 1804.


Perhaps you didn't know about the progressive critical magazine called Lies of Our Times?
 
2012-10-13 08:55:02 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Notabunny: Americans' Preference Shifts Toward One-Party Government
Change in preferences driven mostly by Democrats (Gallup September 27, 2012)

Given that the spirit of bi-partisanship is dead in Washington, can you blame them?


That, and since the Democratic party is center-left, centrist, and center-right, it's rational one-stop shopping.
 
2012-10-13 08:55:30 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.


If that happens I for one will be getting drunk on the irony and possibly several glasses of scotch.
 
2012-10-13 08:55:40 PM

statisticals: starsrift: Look, the polling data doesn't matter.

What matters are 3 statisticals.

There are 3 of me?


Yes.

1. Undecideds break to Romney
2. Inaccurate polling
3. Silent majority

Boy, you guys are going to be surprised on Election Day!
 
2012-10-13 09:01:28 PM

Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.


Cat got your tongue? Don't keep us in suspense!
 
2012-10-13 09:04:05 PM

hawcian: Robo Beat: hawcian: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.

Clearing cache, cookies, et cetera seems to do the trick for me.

I think NYTimes uses cookies to track how many times you've visited, so that makes sense. (Also why switching browsers or using the porn private mode on browsers work)



In Firefox, go to Options, then the Privacy tab, then click on Show Cookies. Search for "nyt" and delete everything that comes up from the search. It works.
 
2012-10-13 09:09:36 PM

James F. Campbell: 36 posts, and I can only see 10. How sad Fark has become.



Man, and I thought I was growing an epic ignore list.

/you probably won't see this ;)
 
2012-10-13 09:12:42 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: NYTimes = USSA's Pravda.

George Clinton for president.

/CAR WASH!


I only saw you earlier today and you're already getting really, really old.
 
2012-10-13 09:12:47 PM

Silverstaff: I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill?


"Engagement proxies' are the Internet's parasites. First Googlle hit.
 
2012-10-13 09:12:56 PM
Of course, no matter what happens, this will still be a better year for Republicans than 2008.

1) They get 7 electoral votes from the census, and redistricting. (7th is that Nebraska district that got redone)
2) They get Indiana and North Carolina back no matter what.
3) They threaten Ohio, Florida, Iowa, Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, and possibly Wisconsin.

Now admittedly, they have to win all of #3 to threaten the election, but this is still a good year for the GOP.
 
2012-10-13 09:13:19 PM
I can't read TFA because NYT says I've been a greedy bastard this month. :-(
 
2012-10-13 09:14:56 PM

statisticals: starsrift: Look, the polling data doesn't matter.

What matters are 3 statisticals.

There are 3 of me?


Uh... No, no, of course not, sweetie.
 
2012-10-13 09:15:24 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I can't read TFA because NYT says I've been a greedy bastard this month. :-(


1) Private/incognito browsing.
2) NoScript. It's a javascript/cookies thing.
3) Turn off cookies on nyt.com
4) Refresh the page and stop the page before it finishes fully loading.
 
2012-10-13 09:16:03 PM

Aquapope: In Firefox, go to Options, then the Privacy tab, then click on Show Cookies. Search for "nyt" and delete everything that comes up from the search. It works.


You can also block nytimes.com cookies in Firefox.
 
2012-10-13 09:17:40 PM

SN1987a goes boom: The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.

If that happens I for one will be getting drunk on the irony and possibly several glasses of scotch.


In my case, several more glasses of scotch than my average on any particular evening during this election cycle.
 
2012-10-13 09:17:47 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I can't read TFA because NYT says I've been a greedy bastard this month. :-(


You're really missing anything. It's just basically, "Romney may be doing okay, but the senate races are going strong for the Dems."
 
2012-10-13 09:17:51 PM

Aquapope: hawcian: Robo Beat: hawcian: Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times. I'm guessing the graphs are beginning to tick back up for Obama a bit, showing the predicted delayed reaction to the other poll's plateaus, while the article predicts a modestly favorable trend for Obama absent an unforeseeable event?

Some combination of NotScript and Ghostery on Chrome has magically deleted the paywall for me.

Clearing cache, cookies, et cetera seems to do the trick for me.

I think NYTimes uses cookies to track how many times you've visited, so that makes sense. (Also why switching browsers or using the porn private mode on browsers work)


In Firefox, go to Options, then the Privacy tab, then click on Show Cookies. Search for "nyt" and delete everything that comes up from the search. It works.


Alternately, if you're lazy, copypasta the article title into google. The top link in Google will be unblocked (this also works for Finacial Times and a few others).
 
2012-10-13 09:18:23 PM

starsrift: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I can't read TFA because NYT says I've been a greedy bastard this month. :-(

You're not really missing anything. It's just basically, "Romney may be doing okay, but the senate races are going strong for the Dems."


FTFM
 
2012-10-13 09:24:24 PM

b0rg9: James F. Campbell: 36 posts, and I can only see 10. How sad Fark has become.


Man, and I thought I was growing an epic ignore list.

/you probably won't see this ;)


Well, I can see it. That must be worth something. 

screencrave.com
 
2012-10-13 09:29:04 PM

born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!


I have at least eight alts in this thread alone.
 
2012-10-13 09:40:42 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?

Making sure Obama doesn't get a single bill he wants past. And probably impeachment if they can't think of anything else.


More to the point: can't an argument be made that since McConnell didn't accomplish his single most important goal, he should therefore resign? (Falling on sword optional, but welcome.)
 
2012-10-13 09:46:41 PM

Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.


So nearly a hundred years before the progressive movement began. Interesting
 
2012-10-13 09:49:34 PM

12349876: fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.

If Obama gets reelected and the election is called by midnight Pacific, somebody on FOX News will say "lame duck" before the sun rises on the East Coast.


I dunno, Where is the sun when Fox and Friends starts?

/westcoast
 
2012-10-13 09:49:51 PM

Flaming Yawn: Dwight_Yeast: Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?

Making sure Obama doesn't get a single bill he wants past. And probably impeachment if they can't think of anything else.

More to the point: can't an argument be made that since McConnell didn't accomplish his single most important goal, he should therefore resign? (Falling on sword optional, but welcome.)


Nah, Seppuku. How that works on a turtle, I don't know.
 
2012-10-13 09:52:25 PM

DoctorCal: Well, I can see it. That must be worth something.


lol, it's been a long time, DoctorCal, hope all is good. I still love this place.


/I use the word, love, loosely
//very
 
2012-10-13 09:53:42 PM
SO another chickenshiat alt troll flees. Ignore ignore ignore
 
2012-10-13 09:54:15 PM

b0rg9: DoctorCal: Well, I can see it. That must be worth something.

lol, it's been a long time, DoctorCal, hope all is good. I still love this place.


/I use the word, love, loosely
//very


:)
 
2012-10-13 09:59:56 PM

zerkalo: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

So nearly a hundred years before the progressive movement began. Interesting


www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-10-13 10:00:47 PM

zerkalo: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

So nearly a hundred years before the progressive movement began. Interesting


The 100 year prologue to the 100 years of the progressive movement. It has layers going back to Ancient Greece, man.
 
2012-10-13 10:03:10 PM

Greil: I've hit my article limit for the times.


It sounds like you need NYTClean! Makes the article limit go away. Works great! 

/article about the history of NYTClean
 
2012-10-13 10:06:35 PM

Graffito: If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Well then they'll already be halfway through their secondary plan.
 
2012-10-13 10:12:28 PM

zerkalo: I dunno, Where is the sun when Fox and Friends starts?


Fox and Friends starts at 6AM Eastern. The sun is rising at about 6:30 AM right on the ocean give or take a few depending on how far North/South you are. Further inland Eastern Time Zone areas like Cincinnati and Atlanta will be a little after 7AM.
 
2012-10-13 10:20:45 PM

Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.


That Obama is a Marxist?
 
2012-10-13 10:27:07 PM

snowshovel: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is a Marxist?


Vulcan.
 
2012-10-13 10:39:11 PM

Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

I guess public education actually taught history when I was in school.

But hey, nobody will ever accuse progressives of having smarts.


My university was founded in 1804. Thanks for noticing.
 
2012-10-13 10:39:50 PM

Notabunny: snowshovel: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is a Marxist?

Vulcan.


Meh, a Vulcan would debate better. But when you spend your entire little Marxist life inside a booble ball of Marxists lessons, I guess that's what happens when you run against some one with a full, real world experience.
 
2012-10-13 10:54:33 PM

snowshovel: Meh, a Vulcan would debate better.


I think even Spock would have dropped the non-violent pose and thrashed the shiat out of Romney for his lying and lack of logic.
 
2012-10-13 11:09:59 PM

Dwight_Yeast: snowshovel: Meh, a Vulcan would debate better.

I think even Spock would have dropped the non-violent pose and thrashed the shiat out of Romney for his lying and lack of logic.


1.bp.blogspot.com

BATT A DA DADA DA, DAAA, DAAA BA BA A DA DA...
 
2012-10-13 11:15:49 PM

Chameleon: Dwight_Yeast: snowshovel: Meh, a Vulcan would debate better.

I think even Spock would have dropped the non-violent pose and thrashed the shiat out of Romney for his lying and lack of logic.



BATT A DA DADA DA, DAAA, DAAA BA BA A DA DA...


I am going to have that stuck in my head all night now.

/ >:(
 
2012-10-13 11:16:55 PM

Chameleon: Dwight_Yeast: snowshovel: Meh, a Vulcan would debate better.

I think even Spock would have dropped the non-violent pose and thrashed the shiat out of Romney for his lying and lack of logic.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x368]

BATT A DA DADA DA, DAAA, DAAA BA BA A DA DA...


Bring forth the lirpa!
 
2012-10-13 11:18:34 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Chameleon: Dwight_Yeast: snowshovel: Meh, a Vulcan would debate better.

I think even Spock would have dropped the non-violent pose and thrashed the shiat out of Romney for his lying and lack of logic.



BATT A DA DADA DA, DAAA, DAAA BA BA A DA DA...

I am going to have that stuck in my head all night now.

/ >:(


Amok time

/Kirk's shirt slashies!
 
2012-10-13 11:20:12 PM
What I don't get is that if The ModelTM fluctuates with the polls and events like the conventions and the debate... what's the point of even having The Model?TM It has little predictive power because it's a victim of the situation on the ground.

Nate Silver is not Hari Seldon.
 
2012-10-13 11:24:11 PM

shower_in_my_socks: The story SHOULD have been "Romney just completely reversed half of his platform in 90-minutes," but that would have led us into Obama landslide territory, and dammit we have ratings wars to win here, people.


a bunch of this. Romney reversing got some coverage but it was spotty and on cable news.
 
2012-10-13 11:34:28 PM

elchip: What I don't get is that if The ModelTM fluctuates with the polls and events like the conventions and the debate... what's the point of even having The Model?TM It has little predictive power because it's a victim of the situation on the ground.

Nate Silver is not Hari Seldon.


Maybe he's not, but he shows humanity moving in that direction. And Seldon's Psycho-history wasn't absolute; it was all about percentages (an idea they stole for Quantum Leap).

The other important aspect is that analyzing something and acting on the results alters the situation being analyzed. A known problem on Wall St for decades. And in economics. Etc.
 
2012-10-13 11:35:14 PM

Bucky Katt: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

You would call Heywood Jabloeme a troll? That's harsh, man.


The nerve of some people to put a fake and/or snarky name in their profile name. I come from a long line of Bootstrappingtons, for example.
 
2012-10-13 11:38:37 PM

Dwight_Yeast: And Seldon's Psycho-history wasn't absolute; it was all about percentages


So what you're saying is, the debate was The Mule.
 
2012-10-13 11:39:37 PM
Praise Allah

/peace be upon him
 
2012-10-13 11:50:09 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: SN1987a goes boom: The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.

If that happens I for one will be getting drunk on the irony and possibly several glasses of scotch.

In my case, several more glasses of scotch than my average on any particular evening during this election cycle.


The irony will be butthurt vintage 2000.
 
2012-10-13 11:50:40 PM

Notabunny: Dwight_Yeast: Notabunny: Americans' Preference Shifts Toward One-Party Government
Change in preferences driven mostly by Democrats (Gallup September 27, 2012)

Given that the spirit of bi-partisanship is dead in Washington, can you blame them?

That, and since the Democratic party is center-left, centrist, and center-right, it's rational one-stop shopping.


That and that, and Republicans don't deserve a seat at the grownups table until they return to the reality-based universe.
 
2012-10-13 11:57:08 PM

Silverstaff: "The Continuing Importance of Protecting the Electoral College

We oppose the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact or any other scheme to abolish or distort the procedures of the Electoral College. We recognize that an unconstitutional effort to impose "national popular vote" would be a mortal threat to our federal system and a guarantee of corruption as every ballot box in every state would become a chance to steal the presidency."


I know we all know this, but I just have to mention there is nothing in the Constitution about how electoral votes are to be allocated by the state. In fact, the only offices the Constitution required be put up to vote was for members of the House (and later members of the Senate through the 17th Amendment.)

In our earliest elections state legislatures directly appointed their representation in the electoral college; this died out in a few decades in for the most part except for South Carolina which continued direct appointment of electors up until they seceded. State legislatures were replaced with a more democratic popular vote within the state, who would send all supporters of the majority-backed candidate in the state to elect the president.

The Constitution says how states are awarded electoral votes, but does not include requirements of how the states choose to allocate those votes. If enough states pass a law that says "if a law like this is in a number of states and districts to make up a majority of the electoral college, then this state will award its electoral votes to the national popular vote winner" there isn't a damn thing in the Constitution to stop it.
 
2012-10-13 11:58:54 PM

King Something: From the comments:

CHV Illinois

In my lifetime, I don't think I've ever seen a leading candidate take such a nose dive in the polls after one debate - which means one of two things: a) Romney is making a historic comeback, or; b) he's riding a bubble that will pop at the worst possible moment.


Or, c) the period before the drop was the bubble.

Maybe a lot of voters only knew Romney from the picture painted by the opposition, e.g Romney as an arrogant elitist android, and then voters saw him on TV not being an arrogant elitist android, and this dispelled the image somewhat and shifted public opinion towards a closer race.

If that's the case, then we'd see his numbers rise after a major public appearance regardless of who won the debate---as long as he didn't do something stupid like fire his servants on live TV.
 
2012-10-14 12:02:39 AM

elchip: Dwight_Yeast: And Seldon's Psycho-history wasn't absolute; it was all about percentages

So what you're saying is, the debate was The Mule.


Not at all. Romney suddenly not behaving like Romney and steering hard to the center in the first debate was something neither Nate Silver nor Obama's election staff had expected, but it's only had a limited, short-term effect on the numbers.

Something like LBJ not seeking re-election at the last minute would be The Mule to Silver's analysis. But that's why it's all still percentrages at this point: up election date, anything can happen.
 
2012-10-14 12:09:33 AM
 
2012-10-14 12:27:57 AM

elchip: What I don't get is that if The ModelTM fluctuates with the polls and events like the conventions and the debate... what's the point of even having The Model?TM It has little predictive power because it's a victim of the situation on the ground.

Nate Silver is not Hari Seldon.


The model aggregates the polls and tries to weight them for historical reliability/house effects, established metrics that correlate with support or opposition of the incumbent party on election day, and the average historical tightening of the race. It cannot control for exogenous events: you can't criticize Silver too much if he said a Senator had a 94% chance of reelection only for his support to crater when the police find all those dead hookers in his crawlspace a week before the election.

Silver's analysis showed it a 60/40 chance of Obama's reelection with little change through most of the summer, because following the standard race that's where he expected Obama to be on Election Day. The DNC came and went and it took a month for Obama to get above 85% where he reached his peak weeks after his strongest polling after the convention. Silver expected that Obama and Romney would both get a bump that would dissipate in a few weeks, but that didn't happen because of exogenous events, particularly the Benghazi attack (and Romney's reaction) as well as the 47% video. Obama wasn't losing supporters and the more persistent his edge was the more likely the model put him to win. Romney got a major bump a week and a half ago and just now hit a place that makes him very competitive in the model. No, it's not because Romney's poll numbers shot up as much as they have remained up, and as such you have to assume this isn't just a bump but on some level a genuine shift. It helps answer lots of important questions for the political junkies, but doesn't help answer the question of who will win on election day if we have reason to believe the race is going to see another few controversies before election day. If they don't have the controversies, it should match the prediction.
 
2012-10-14 12:32:41 AM

Silverstaff: Bucky Katt: With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?

I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill? I mean, paid to go on Facebook and Twitter and Fark and Reddit and all these other websites and social media platforms and mindlessly spout the party line, insult the other side, and try to fake there being more than just one of you?

We know they are out there, but it's not like they advertise for it in help wanted sections.

Is this some kind of work-from-home rehab program for the brain damaged? A part-time job for an entire chapter of Young Republicans?


I imagine it's similar to how they just went to the Heritage Foundation web site, looked for the most conservative posters, and just gave them jobs rebuilding Iraq.
 
2012-10-14 12:38:38 AM

DoctorCal: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Chameleon: Dwight_Yeast: snowshovel: Meh, a Vulcan would debate better.

I think even Spock would have dropped the non-violent pose and thrashed the shiat out of Romney for his lying and lack of logic.



BATT A DA DADA DA, DAAA, DAAA BA BA A DA DA...

I am going to have that stuck in my head all night now.

/ >:(

Amok time

/Kirk's shirt slashies!


The Pon Farr is calling! The Pon Farr is calling! Answer the call of the Pon Farr!
 
2012-10-14 12:49:43 AM
And then there's everyone's nightmare scenario - - - a TIE!!

Yes, let's make hanging chads a fond memory, shall we......

Link
 
2012-10-14 12:55:45 AM

Summoner101: New PPP Ohio poll has Obama +5



Thanks for the link. Not only is Obama a 5 point favorite, but he's above 50%, and these results are nearly identical to CNN and NBC polls from a few days ago. It seems that between OH, MI, WI, NV, etc. that Obama's "electoral firewall" is holding.

I doubt we'll get another Obama no-show at the remaining debates, so it comes down to whether or not Romney's strategy to save his big ad blitz for the final 3 weeks was a good idea.
 
2012-10-14 12:56:37 AM

Summoner101: And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.

It's already happening. Back before the debate and shortly afterwards I couldn't go a day without hearing how the electoral college is unfair and should be dismantled as soon as possible. From conservatives, no less.

I asked them if they would be comfortable with a President Gore. They didn't like that question too much.


Hell, days before the 2000 election, republicans were already mapping out a strategy should Bush win the poplular vote but lose the electoral college.

Bush set to fight an electoral college loss
 
2012-10-14 01:09:20 AM

shower_in_my_socks: I doubt we'll get another Obama no-show at the remaining debates, so it comes down to whether or not Romney's strategy to save his big ad blitz for the final 3 weeks was a good idea.


I'm leaning towards no on the whole because it won't influence the early/absentee voters, though it probably helps for those who haven't voted.
 
2012-10-14 01:37:48 AM

Biological Ali: born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!

I have at least eight alts in this thread alone.


Every poster in this thread is one of my alts. I have severe psychological problems.

Silverstaff: The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.

The extra funny, bonus thing about that is that the Republicans put enthusiastic support for the Electoral College system as a plank of their platform this year, we'd watch them flip-flop on a main plank in their platform because they got butthurt:

Link

"The Continuing Importance of Protecting the Electoral College

We oppose the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact or any other scheme to abolish or distort the procedures of the Electoral College. We recognize that an unconstitutional effort to impose "national popular vote" would be a mortal threat to our federal system and a guarantee of corruption as every ballot box in every state would become a chance to steal the presidency."


I've seen this movie and I know how it ends. The puppetmasters in the GOP lead the teabagging sheep to scream and cry and spend 6-18 months with failed petitions and proposed amendments to do away with the electoral college. Then they declare, "the federal government can't do anything right," and "the evil liberal bigots won't let us" and then they spend BILLIONS trying to kick off amendments/laws to state constitutions in blue states making them split up their electoral votes while keeping all the safe red states as winner-take-all.

Theoretically the democrats could snipe that position by doing the same thing in the red states FIRST, but they'd have to do it first, they wouldn't have the advantage in dollah-dollahs, and the GOP would flip-flop again to call it, "dirty tricks by evil liberal operatives."

But what do I know?
 
2012-10-14 01:56:46 AM

TheBigJerk: Silverstaff: The All-Powerful Atheismo: culebra: Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses the popular vote but beats out Romney by 15-30 EV.

And I wouldn't be surprised if every republican anywhere then proclaims that the electoral college system is broken and that Obama shouldn't be the president.

And I will think back to 2000 and weep.

The extra funny, bonus thing about that is that the Republicans put enthusiastic support for the Electoral College system as a plank of their platform this year, we'd watch them flip-flop on a main plank in their platform because they got butthurt:

Link

"The Continuing Importance of Protecting the Electoral College

We oppose the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact or any other scheme to abolish or distort the procedures of the Electoral College. We recognize that an unconstitutional effort to impose "national popular vote" would be a mortal threat to our federal system and a guarantee of corruption as every ballot box in every state would become a chance to steal the presidency."

I've seen this movie and I know how it ends. The puppetmasters in the GOP lead the teabagging sheep to scream and cry and spend 6-18 months with failed petitions and proposed amendments to do away with the electoral college. Then they declare, "the federal government can't do anything right," and "the evil liberal bigots won't let us" and then they spend BILLIONS trying to kick off amendments/laws to state constitutions in blue states making them split up their electoral votes while keeping all the safe red states as winner-take-all.

Theoretically the democrats could snipe that position by doing the same thing in the red states FIRST, but they'd have to do it first, they wouldn't have the advantage in dollah-dollahs, and the GOP would flip-flop again to call it, "dirty tricks by evil liberal operatives."

But what do I know?


Thinking about this more, the swing states would be really interesting. Right now they get a lot of free attention and offers and importance because they are swing states. This means they are battlegrounds that in some cases the national parties would probably prefer NOT to have to fight over, and splitting their electoral votes could affect that. Sometimes there would be battles, but other times one party or another would just squat on their safe districts and focus their money elsewhere.

But on the flip side, while you regular swing-state dwellers probably HATE the endless, irritating, horrible commercial vomit that fills your state it is a LOT of cash and a LOT of "consideration" (money money money) your state might not otherwise get and local politicians and parties really, really want. The internal struggles between Governor Pork-Barrel and Representative Vacation-home-out-of-state would be fascinating.

Example, Minnesota leans democrat but Bachmann's district is (IIRC) as red as they come, split the electoral vote by district and the Republicans can basically abandon the state instead of trying to fight it out.

Thoughts? Corrections? This topic has piqued my interest.
 
2012-10-14 01:59:17 AM

James F. Campbell: Dan the Schman: Or perhaps you're just overzealous with the ignore button.

I can see all the posts and only one guy was acting like a trolly jackass.

I ignore posts that respond to ignored posts, and I also put the guy who admitted he was trolling with an alt on ignore.


I have you favorited as "humorless double-downer," so it figures you would put the guy who said he was kidding about trolling on "ignore."
 
2012-10-14 02:16:02 AM

DrBenway: I have you favorited as "humorless double-downer," so it figures you would put the guy who said he was kidding about trolling on "ignore."


Aren't there already enough stupid people in the world? Is it really that necessary to pretend to be stupid? Isn't the world already sad and broken enough?
 
2012-10-14 02:34:44 AM

Graffito: 12349876: fusillade762: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Though you just know the 2016 campaigning will start 5 minutes after inauguration. If not sooner.

If Obama gets reelected and the election is called by midnight Pacific, somebody on FOX News will say "lame duck" before the sun rises on the East Coast.

If Obama gets reelected what will be Mitch McConnell's new purpose in life?


Perhaps he will find a new hobby, or maybe he will just crawl back in his shell.

i28.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-14 02:45:33 AM
Good. Now let's work on the House while we're at it.
 
2012-10-14 03:23:54 AM

cman: New York times doing FUD? FFS, guys, I asked for DUFF


www.hiblarious.com
/hot


HotIgneous Intruder: NYTimes = USSA's Pravda.

George Clinton for president.

/CAR WASH!


After the Mortal Kombat soundtrack, I'd vote for George Clinton if he agreed to compose music for C-SPAN.

/no idea what his politics are though
 
2012-10-14 03:50:23 AM

BolloxReader: cman: New York times doing FUD? FFS, guys, I asked for DUFF

[www.hiblarious.com image 300x400]
/hot


HotIgneous Intruder: NYTimes = USSA's Pravda.

George Clinton for president.

/CAR WASH!

After the Mortal Kombat soundtrack, I'd vote for George Clinton if he agreed to compose music for C-SPAN.

/no idea what his politics are though


Yeah, that's the DUFF I thought he was asking for. Yummy.
 
2012-10-14 04:22:10 AM

Silverstaff: Bucky Katt: With all the paid shills, there's already too much trolling here. Why do have to add to it?

I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill? I mean, paid to go on Facebook and Twitter and Fark and Reddit and all these other websites and social media platforms and mindlessly spout the party line, insult the other side, and try to fake there being more than just one of you?

We know they are out there, but it's not like they advertise for it in help wanted sections.

Is this some kind of work-from-home rehab program for the brain damaged? A part-time job for an entire chapter of Young Republicans?


I think there are political PR agencies which manage the initial lock-step of messages, but it's probably a much smaller operation than you might think, I'm afraid. The believers, you must understand, are permanently open to the messages, without pause or intervention for critical thought.

It would be interesting to know more about the trickledown.
 
2012-10-14 05:06:40 AM

Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.


Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.
 
2012-10-14 05:18:03 AM

armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.


You sound pretty old.
 
2012-10-14 05:29:41 AM

armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal Expand ObamaCare, our country is through.


fixed.
 
2012-10-14 05:43:34 AM

mksmith: fixed.


Danke
 
2012-10-14 05:51:36 AM

mksmith: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal Expand ObamaCare, our country is through.

fixed.


Did you read ANY of it?
 
2012-10-14 05:59:28 AM
Have no problem with 5-3-8 being a liberal conspiracy.

With nothing further to add, here's Alessandra Torresani.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-14 06:17:04 AM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.


What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?
 
2012-10-14 06:25:56 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?


You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....
 
2012-10-14 06:27:17 AM

armoredbulldozer: You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....


LaughterOL
 
2012-10-14 06:36:11 AM

Biological Ali: armoredbulldozer: You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

LaughterOL


Exactly. He's never going to frighten liberals talking like that. I say it this way: Count the number of items in the PPACA that are "... to be determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services". Then think about how long Kathleen Sebelius is going to have that job in a Republican administration. Let the screaming commence.
 
2012-10-14 06:36:13 AM

Biological Ali: armoredbulldozer: You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

LaughterOL


Laugh all you want, Captain Clueless!
 
2012-10-14 06:48:24 AM

LonMead: Biological Ali: armoredbulldozer: You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

LaughterOL

Exactly. He's never going to frighten liberals talking like that. I say it this way: Count the number of items in the PPACA that are "... to be determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services". Then think about how long Kathleen Sebelius is going to have that job in a Republican administration. Let the screaming commence.


I think you may be missing something
 
2012-10-14 06:52:28 AM
PINKO PRESIDENCY *drink*
 
2012-10-14 07:00:25 AM

armoredbulldozer: You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....


Actually, the really frightening thing, were I to take your word as unvarnished truth, would be that a fifth of America's entire economy is based upon profiteering from illness and injury.
 
2012-10-14 07:16:01 AM

armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.


Welp I got some bad news for you:

Bad News 1: It looks like the dems are taking the senate no matter what and there is NO way they are going to dismantle the signature piece of legislation they have spent 50 years working on.

Bad news 2: after the worst week in Obama's campaign now the bleeding has stopped and has begun to reverse, even at his lowest point he still had a 5-6 point lead in ohio and has a massive lead in the early voting. Romney is not going to win without Ohio.

Bad news 3: Do you think it is likely even if Romney squeaks by, that your fair-haired golden boy is going to repeal obama care? He pretty much said he is planning on keeping most of the provisions.
 
2012-10-14 07:18:29 AM

armoredbulldozer: Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?

You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....


Yes, every country that's tried socialized med-- *sigh*

You know what, your derp doesn't even warrant a sarcastic response.
 
2012-10-14 07:20:35 AM
I love this thread, it has everything.
 
2012-10-14 07:24:39 AM

amiable: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

Welp I got some bad news for you:

Bad News 1: It looks like the dems are taking the senate no matter what and there is NO way they are going to dismantle the signature piece of legislation they have spent 50 years working on.

Bad news 2: after the worst week in Obama's campaign now the bleeding has stopped and has begun to reverse, even at his lowest point he still had a 5-6 point lead in ohio and has a massive lead in the early voting. Romney is not going to win without Ohio.

Bad news 3: Do you think it is likely even if Romney squeaks by, that your fair-haired golden boy is going to repeal obama care? He pretty much said he is planning on keeping most of the provisions.


Well, the SCOTUs is taking another swing at it. I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.
 
2012-10-14 07:40:02 AM

James F. Campbell: Hmm. Perhaps Obama's poor performance in the first debate was a trick to get people to pay more attention to the next debates, where Romney will be crushed. At least I hope this is the case. In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?


Soshalism.

And hair.
 
2012-10-14 07:40:50 AM

armoredbulldozer: amiable: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

Welp I got some bad news for you:

Bad News 1: It looks like the dems are taking the senate no matter what and there is NO way they are going to dismantle the signature piece of legislation they have spent 50 years working on.

Bad news 2: after the worst week in Obama's campaign now the bleeding has stopped and has begun to reverse, even at his lowest point he still had a 5-6 point lead in ohio and has a massive lead in the early voting. Romney is not going to win without Ohio.

Bad news 3: Do you think it is likely even if Romney squeaks by, that your fair-haired golden boy is going to repeal obama care? He pretty much said he is planning on keeping most of the provisions.

Well, the SCOTUS is taking another swing at it. I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.


Obamacare was written by a committee that doesnt understand it, passed by a congress that didnt read it, signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didnt pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke.
 
2012-10-14 08:03:14 AM

LonMead: Have no problem with 5-3-8 being a liberal conspiracy.

With nothing further to add, here's Alessandra Torresani.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x666]


Reminds me of an old saying: "Statistics (or at least polls in this case) are like bikinis-they show a lot but not everything." -Lou Piniella

I think Nate Silver does a good job of getting them down to a g-string but you can never actually take the swimwear off until the election.
 
2012-10-14 08:09:19 AM

BSABSVR: shower_in_my_socks: Slam1263: Carrying water for progressives since 1804 since the Republicans were the progressive party. 
/NYT was founded in 1851

He un skewed the date


There's also that whole propaganda-to-invade-Iraq thing that I don't recall being progressives liking too much.
 
2012-10-14 08:17:41 AM

armoredbulldozer: amiable: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

Welp I got some bad news for you:

Bad News 1: It looks like the dems are taking the senate no matter what and there is NO way they are going to dismantle the signature piece of legislation they have spent 50 years working on.

Bad news 2: after the worst week in Obama's campaign now the bleeding has stopped and has begun to reverse, even at his lowest point he still had a 5-6 point lead in ohio and has a massive lead in the early voting. Romney is not going to win without Ohio.

Bad news 3: Do you think it is likely even if Romney squeaks by, that your fair-haired golden boy is going to repeal obama care? He pretty much said he is planning on keeping most of the provisions.

Well, the SCOTUs is taking another swing at it. I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.


Pinkos eh?

60% of healthcare in this country is already run by gov't, Many people seemed ok with this until the Affordable Healthcare Act. This is because they have admin. costs around 3 %. The Affordable Healthcare Act has a provision in it that requires insurance co.s to pay up to 15% in admin costs. Previously they were at 25-30% this results in savings and still has people covered who were unable to get insurance before due to draconian insurance company rules (pre-existing congenital conditions etc.).

So a bill that regulates insurance co.s and has taxpayers including small businesses receive a tax credit, lowers the cost of healthcare - 60% of which is already paid for by the government and was until the scary black man took office when no one seemed to give a fark about the cost of healthcare or its denial of coverage. This is communism to you??? Regulating insurance companies??? With a plan which republicans came up with???
 
2012-10-14 08:18:23 AM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: I love this thread, it has everything.


And yet, it has nothing.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-14 08:39:20 AM

armoredbulldozer: armoredbulldozer:

Obamacare was written by a committee that doesnt understand it, passed by a congress that didnt read it, signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didnt pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke.


Dude, Obamacare was so 2010. the Supreme court has ruled, it is constitutional and it's not going anywhere. It's also becoming more popular evey passing year, within five years it will be de rigeur and in 10 years it will be as entrenched as Medicare. You need to move on.

Also, out of curiosity... Are you against medicare? Because that program is FAR more socialist than Obamacare.
 
2012-10-14 08:50:18 AM

amiable: Also, out of curiosity... Are you against medicare? Because that program is FAR more socialist than Obamacare.


I'm sure Medicare is fine, those people earned their health coverage.

Medicaid, on the other hand, is a communist boondoggle used by...undesirables to corrupt the precious bodily fluids of honest Americans.

/Spellcheck recognizes "boondoggle", but not "spellcheck".
//THAT"S a boondogglin'!
 
2012-10-14 10:24:45 AM

Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.


That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.
 
2012-10-14 10:36:58 AM

jso2897: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: I love this thread, it has everything.

And yet, it has nothing.
[i18.photobucket.com image 500x334]


Freedom Fires!
 
2012-10-14 10:41:39 AM

Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.


Study it out.
 
2012-10-14 11:01:53 AM

shower_in_my_socks: WTF, a poll showing Obama leading in AZ?


Quite possibly this is Gary Johnson taking away votes from Romney. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Romney could also have a really tough time winning Virginia due to a regional 3rd party candidate there.
 
2012-10-14 11:06:16 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Summoner101: New PPP Ohio poll has Obama +5


Thanks for the link. Not only is Obama a 5 point favorite, but he's above 50%, and these results are nearly identical to CNN and NBC polls from a few days ago. It seems that between OH, MI, WI, NV, etc. that Obama's "electoral firewall" is holding.

I doubt we'll get another Obama no-show at the remaining debates, so it comes down to whether or not Romney's strategy to save his big ad blitz for the final 3 weeks was a good idea.



Sounds about as brilliant as Rudolph Giuliani waiting to spend all his ad money in Florida in the hopes that that would somehow win him the GOP nomination off of that one state.

You know why Romney is 'waiting until the very end' to run most of his ads, right? Its because his campaign is nearly broke.

Romney just had to borrow $20 million from the government just to keep his campaign afloat.
 
2012-10-14 11:17:43 AM

Goodfella: shower_in_my_socks: Summoner101: New PPP Ohio poll has Obama +5


Thanks for the link. Not only is Obama a 5 point favorite, but he's above 50%, and these results are nearly identical to CNN and NBC polls from a few days ago. It seems that between OH, MI, WI, NV, etc. that Obama's "electoral firewall" is holding.

I doubt we'll get another Obama no-show at the remaining debates, so it comes down to whether or not Romney's strategy to save his big ad blitz for the final 3 weeks was a good idea.


Sounds about as brilliant as Rudolph Giuliani waiting to spend all his ad money in Florida in the hopes that that would somehow win him the GOP nomination off of that one state.

You know why Romney is 'waiting until the very end' to run most of his ads, right? Its because his campaign is nearly broke.

Romney just had to borrow $20 million from the government just to keep his campaign afloat.


MOOCHER!
 
2012-10-14 12:05:23 PM

Dwight_Yeast: elchip: What I don't get is that if The ModelTM fluctuates with the polls and events like the conventions and the debate... what's the point of even having The Model?TM It has little predictive power because it's a victim of the situation on the ground.

Nate Silver is not Hari Seldon.

Maybe he's not, but he shows humanity moving in that direction. And Seldon's Psycho-history wasn't absolute; it was all about percentages (an idea they stole for Quantum Leap).

The other important aspect is that analyzing something and acting on the results alters the situation being analyzed. A known problem on Wall St for decades. And in economics. Etc.


It's a good point: if Hari Seldon's predictions had been on a popular website that people checked in with daily, it would have become a huge influence on events itself. There is a reason the Second Foundation is hidden.
 
2012-10-14 12:11:32 PM

shower_in_my_socks: James F. Campbell: In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?


The media needed a big story to make the race tight, and they got it. Half of Romney's bump is due to the over-the-top media coverage of the first debate. The story SHOULD have been "Romney just completely reversed half of his platform in 90-minutes," but that would have led us into Obama landslide territory, and dammit we have ratings wars to win here, people.


I feel like the media totally drove this story as well. 538 pointed out there was one firm (google actually I think) that polled poeple during the debate and then afterwards. Those polled during the debate felt it was a wash. Those polled after, when the media was going nuts about how awful Obama had been, thought Romney one.

Most people don't watch debates (and the people that do probably tend to be more informed voters who are less likely to change sides at this late stage). So most people get their impressions of the debate from the media.
 
2012-10-14 12:31:42 PM

MyRandomName: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.


Oh, it's empty suit day. Guess I'll have to get ready for "evil socialist with plans to take over after he's re-elected" tomorrow.
 
2012-10-14 12:32:37 PM
armoredbulldozer
I just can't believe how many pinkos are on FARK.

Gee willikers. Many of us are just gosh-durned former Republicans who are just plain-diddly-danged sick of GOP bunk.

But, shucks, if celebrating Obama and Romney implementing the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank)'s plan to tighten the ol' belt on health insurance abuses makes me a pinko, well... I guess I'll just figure a swell way to squeeze these beets into my apple pie.
 
2012-10-14 12:37:37 PM

LonMead: Have no problem with 5-3-8 being a liberal conspiracy.

With nothing further to add, here's Alessandra Torresani.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x666]


Her?
 
2012-10-14 12:48:42 PM

James F. Campbell: Hmm. Perhaps Obama's poor performance in the first debate was a trick to get people to pay more attention to the next debates, where Romney will be crushed. At least I hope this is the case. In the past, debates have had little or no influence -- so what's the big deal about them now?


The big deal about them now is the media is desperate for the ratings only a close election can get.
 
2012-10-14 12:50:09 PM

MyRandomName: That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.



He's going to destroy everything with his pinko liberal plans!!!

But he has no ideas!!!

But he's going to install a commie new world order!!!

But he's just an empty suit!!!

Garaarrd;flkjghhkhae;l;rja!
 
2012-10-14 12:50:53 PM

meyerkev: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I can't read TFA because NYT says I've been a greedy bastard this month. :-(

1) Private/incognito browsing.
2) NoScript. It's a javascript/cookies thing.
3) Turn off cookies on nyt.com
4) Refresh the page and stop the page before it finishes fully loading.


Or just trim off the end of the URL after the article name.

Yes, NYT paid millions for this sophisticated pay wall apparently.
 
2012-10-14 12:57:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.

Oh, it's empty suit day. Guess I'll have to get ready for "evil socialist with plans to take over after he's re-elected" tomorrow.


I like the days when Obama is an unholy trinity in which he is SIMULTANEOUSLY a Fundamentalist Muslim, a Radical Christian, and a Soviet Atheist.

Usually happens more or less after he's both Hitler and Stalin (I know it'll never happen, but it would be funny to see him called Churchill just to complete the set).

I am watching one deluded "Reaganite" on Facebook accusing Obama of "Trickle down economics", so maybe I'll get my entertainment.
 
2012-10-14 01:33:57 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Gee willikers. Many of us are just gosh-durned former Republicans who are just plain-diddly-danged sick of GOP bunk.


Remember, you're talking to someone who, when the entire civilized, educated, rational world looks at one person and says their a damned liar, and backs that assertion not only up with facts but that person's own contradictory statements, thinks not that person might actually be a liar but rather that the rest of the world is unfairly out to get him.
 
2012-10-14 01:35:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.

Oh, it's empty suit day. Guess I'll have to get ready for "evil socialist with plans to take over after he's re-elected" tomorrow.


He is a lazy do-nothing, but he's working tirelessly to make us a Nazi Communist nation.

What's this "cognitive dissonance" thing I hear people talking about?
 
2012-10-14 01:48:28 PM

rufus-t-firefly: cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.

Oh, it's empty suit day. Guess I'll have to get ready for "evil socialist with plans to take over after he's re-elected" tomorrow.

He is a lazy do-nothing, but he's working tirelessly to make us a Nazi Communist nation.

What's this "cognitive dissonance" thing I hear people talking about?


Cognitive dissonance is the uncomfortable sensation one experiences in their head when new evidence contradicts held belief.

It's not a parroted line, a hypocrisy, or a lapse in logic. It also doesn't work for hollow or coded arguments - if I say "Obama's a socialist" because I know I'll be skewered if I say "Obama's black", you can define socialism to me all day long and it won't matter. "I know a socialist when I see one," I'll say - and it's true: Obama will still _clearly_ be black. No cognitive dissonance will occur.
 
2012-10-14 01:53:20 PM
One has to wonder if the media's attempt to make this a close race is to cover for the GOP's obviously failed 'make Obama a wildly unpopular President.' He's obviously still liked by a lot of people, and the stench of the Dubya Economy is evading him like none other. The GOP has to be worried since the only weapon they really had left was the media, and now it's unable to really change public opinion to whatever they want.

The Republicans are starting to realize they have wildly overstepped. Whether or not the Democrats under Obama will let them take back various parts of their platform they threw away for the Religious Right is a very interesting question.
 
2012-10-14 02:21:10 PM

neenerist: Silverstaff: I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill?

"Engagement proxies' are the Internet's parasites. First Googlle hit.


Wow. Right down to the Random Capitalization.
 
2012-10-14 02:27:38 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: One has to wonder if the media's attempt to make this a close race is to cover for the GOP's obviously failed 'make Obama a wildly unpopular President.' He's obviously still liked by a lot of people, and the stench of the Dubya Economy is evading him like none other. The GOP has to be worried since the only weapon they really had left was the media, and now it's unable to really change public opinion to whatever they want.

The Republicans are starting to realize they have wildly overstepped. Whether or not the Democrats under Obama will let them take back various parts of their platform they threw away for the Religious Right is a very interesting question.


The parts that did the most damage were the ones they threw away for the corporate kleptocrats.

I honestly wouldn't mind their welfare-gutting if it was replaced with jobs programs and public works projects, it screws single parents, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to force others to make. There are also alternative methods of helping the helpless that would improve their situation while not being the "immoral" (eyeroll) handouts. Problem is they don't want that, they want to starve the peasants and laugh at them while giving bigger and bigger handouts to the already-rich.
 
2012-10-14 02:33:11 PM

404 page not found: Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.

Study it out.


I used to attend farm auctions. One auctioneer would yell out, "Study your lesson! You're not LISSNIN'!" if he wasn't getting bids fast enough. Another shouted, "Plow's in the ground; gotta WORK!"

That's what "study it out" makes me think of.
 
2012-10-14 02:34:47 PM
I must have missed the source of that 'study it out' phrase. It doesn't even make sense.
 
2012-10-14 02:53:12 PM

Alphax: I must have missed the source of that 'study it out' phrase. It doesn't even make sense.


Go to the fark headline about the woman who "herpa derpa people like me vote straight GOP"

It's actually kind of fun, in a pathetic, my team vs your team kind of way.
 
2012-10-14 02:56:39 PM

Alphax: I must have missed the source of that 'study it out' phrase. It doesn't even make sense.


Fark Politics tab - posted Friday at 2:33pm

Summary version: Chris Matthews is interviewing Obama supporter in an outdoor crowd when a lady shouts, "Communist! Communist!"

So he concludes his interview and goes over to the lady asking why she thinks Obama is a communist. Her response of "You didn't do your homework" and "study it out" was vapidly evasive, which is the joke.
 
2012-10-14 02:59:02 PM

atomic-age: 404 page not found: Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.

Study it out.

I used to attend farm auctions. One auctioneer would yell out, "Study your lesson! You're not LISSNIN'!" if he wasn't getting bids fast enough. Another shouted, "Plow's in the ground; gotta WORK!"

That's what "study it out" makes me think of.


starsrift: Alphax: I must have missed the source of that 'study it out' phrase. It doesn't even make sense.

Go to the fark headline about the woman who "herpa derpa people like me vote straight GOP"

It's actually kind of fun, in a pathetic, my team vs your team kind of way.


I'm embarrassed to say that I can't get enough of it. I don't know what it is. I think it transcends politics.
 
2012-10-14 03:02:00 PM

404 page not found: atomic-age: 404 page not found: Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.

Study it out.

I used to attend farm auctions. One auctioneer would yell out, "Study your lesson! You're not LISSNIN'!" if he wasn't getting bids fast enough. Another shouted, "Plow's in the ground; gotta WORK!"

That's what "study it out" makes me think of.

starsrift: Alphax: I must have missed the source of that 'study it out' phrase. It doesn't even make sense.

Go to the fark headline about the woman who "herpa derpa people like me vote straight GOP"

It's actually kind of fun, in a pathetic, my team vs your team kind of way.

I'm embarrassed to say that I can't get enough of it. I don't know what it is. I think it transcends politics.


p.s. Do you know how, even in current times, you'll read a comment where the guy is like, "Oh, that makes total sense....NOT!"? That's going to be me in 20 years. "Study it out."
 
2012-10-14 03:43:08 PM

Dan the Schman: Slam1263: themindiswatching: Slam1263: What nobody caught the relevance of 1804?

Thomas Jefferson won reelection against the Federalist candidate?

Almost there, give it another shot.

You can't brag about your knowledge of history when half of your "joke" is historically inaccurate.

FAIL.


Wow, I failed.

Nobody noticed what party won in 1804.

As for alt's, just one Slammy here. If I get banned, on my one and only scrren name, you can always check originating IPA to see if that is true, I'll just set up another.

One voice, one vote per person thank you. If you feel you have to game any system to win, you lose.
 
2012-10-14 03:45:26 PM

Slam1263: Nobody noticed cares what party won in 1804.

 
2012-10-14 03:54:05 PM

GAT_00: born_yesterday: GAT_00: Slam1263: Well, it is the NY Times.

Carrying water for progressives since 1804.

Hi new election troll alt.

Don't you have an electron troll alt? I have six or seven.

I find it allows me to be "edgy" without jeopardizing the street cred that I've earned as born_yesterday.

/What can I say, I like a-herpin and a-derpin!

The only login I've ever posted with on this site is this one.


I've had 3, maybe 4. 2003; Slam. 2005, after losing email access to a work account, and forgetting my password; Slam63. 2005, after the FU ban hammer; Slam633. 2011, after being offsite for a couple of years, and not being able to log in, on the advice of Admin, Slam1263.

I may have also listed in '03 as Heywood Jabloeme, because Heywood Jablowme was already taken, but that was during my Nyquil and vodka cocktail days, and quite honestly, I don't remember that much.

Of course, the schmart guys who have found me on other sites by my Screen name, a probably getting a kick out of this.

And please do put me on ignore, 5 more and I get the tea service.
 
2012-10-14 04:09:51 PM

fusillade762: armoredbulldozer: Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?

You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

Yes, every country that's tried socialized med-- *sigh*

You know what, your derp doesn't even warrant a sarcastic response.


WATFington State ballots will be in the mail this week, going to fill out and return the next day, 'cause some of us will think, one last time before we start marking.
 
2012-10-14 04:17:12 PM

404 page not found: Slam1263: Nobody noticed cares what party won in 1804.


Yep, it just sailed over the heads of the audience.

Always tell the tale to the intelligence of your audience, I think Zig Zigler said that.

Sorry I didn't force feed you the requisite info, I thought most people would at lest wiki the info.
 
2012-10-14 05:21:21 PM

Slam1263: WATFington State ballots will be in the mail this week, going to fill out and return the next day, 'cause some of us will think, one last time before we start marking.

MAIL IN BALLOTS?

Aren't you worried about voter fraud?
 
2012-10-14 05:38:30 PM

Slam1263: Sorry I didn't force feed you the requisite info, I thought most people would at lest wiki the info.


We'd have to give a shiat to do that.
 
2012-10-14 05:44:43 PM

Silverstaff: I always wondered, how do you get a job as a paid shill? I mean, paid to go on Facebook and Twitter and Fark and Reddit and all these other websites and social media platforms and mindlessly spout the party line, insult the other side, and try to fake there being more than just one of you?


The sad thing is, I've met a number of millennials who were honestly convinced that their ability to use Facebook or Twitter was some kind of cutting edge job skill that would give them an edge over other generations, and was supposed to get them a job out of college even if they majored in art history and forgot to pick up any marketable skills.

Maybe they spent so much time on YouTube comment threads that they seriously believed that "paid shill" was a real thing, and not just something paranoid people shout at their computers when someone disagrees with them online.

So that's the answer to your question, I guess: you get a job as a "paid shill" by learning to goof off on the Internet, then going to college and majoring in puppetry or a roll-your-own major in reading comic books. Then you graduate, and someone comes along and gives you a job (you don't apply or go to job fairs, you just hang out and someone gives you a job) and *poof* paid internet shill.

Or you don't get the job, and you spend the rest of your 20s blogging furiously about how the system cheated you.
 
2012-10-14 05:46:02 PM

Slam1263: Nobody noticed what party won in 1804.


That's what you were on about? Really?

I thought it was some sort of snide reference to the First Serbian Uprising for some reason. I was waaaay off.
 
2012-10-14 06:03:39 PM
Ohio passed a law restricting movement of free blacks?
Obama travels back in time to Haiti , which promptly declares independence and massacres white people?
Lewis and Clark leave St. Louis to go west?
Napoleon crowned Emperor of France?
Ohio University chartered?
Thomas Jefferson brings in the funk with George Clinton?

Come on now, a lot happened in 1804. You can't expect someone to get a veiled ambiguous reference to a number they figure you pulled out of your butt anyhow. :P
 
2012-10-14 07:12:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: Elandriel: Well, I think that if this big swing in the polls for Romney is based largely on people finally starting to tune in, then pretty soon they will become aware of what the rest of us have known for a long time.

That Obama is an empty suit with no real ideas let alone backup plans.

Oh, it's empty suit day. Guess I'll have to get ready for "evil socialist with plans to take over after he's re-elected" tomorrow.


No. Tomorrow is seekrit mooslum Manchurian candidate day.
 
2012-10-14 10:51:31 PM

LonMead: Have no problem with 5-3-8 being a liberal conspiracy.

With nothing further to add, here's Alessandra Torresani.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x666]


I hate that biatch. She really screwed us on the chance of a 'Caprica' renewal.
 
2012-10-14 10:53:58 PM

armoredbulldozer: Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?

You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....


That's strange. None of that happens in the rest of the developed world where we have had much more comprehensive government subsidized health care for decades now. If you get cancer in the UK or Australia and don't have private insurance you will still get all the treatment you need. The only advantage to having private insurance is that you can have that treatment while in a private room in a private hospital.

What happens to uninsured Americans that get cancer? And don't say they can get treated in the ER. The ER does not provide chemotherapy - or any other sort of ongoing treatment.

By the way, if you object to the government controlling large parts of the economy you had better start advocating privatizing the military and law enforcement.

Your logic is very stoogerific.
 
2012-10-14 11:32:03 PM

aedude01: LonMead: Have no problem with 5-3-8 being a liberal conspiracy.

With nothing further to add, here's Alessandra Torresani.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x666]

I hate that biatch. She really screwed us on the chance of a 'Caprica' renewal.


What did she do? I thought Caprica got screwed by the network, not by an actress bolting.
 
2012-10-15 04:58:06 AM

kg2095: armoredbulldozer: Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?

You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

That's strange. None of that happens in the rest of the developed world where we have had much more comprehensive government subsidized health care for decades now. If you get cancer in the UK or Australia and don't have private insurance you will still get all the treatment you need. The only advantage to having private insurance is that you can have that treatment while in a private room in a private hospital.

What happens to uninsured Americans that get cancer? And don't say they can get treated in the ER. The ER does not provide chemotherapy - or any other sort of ongoing treatment.

By the way, if you object to the government controlling large parts of the economy you had better start advocating privatizing the military and law enforcement.

Your logic is very stoogerific.


Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....
 
2012-10-15 05:55:39 AM

armoredbulldozer: Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-15 06:02:19 AM

armoredbulldozer: kg2095: armoredbulldozer: Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?

You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

That's strange. None of that happens in the rest of the developed world where we have had much more comprehensive government subsidized health care for decades now. If you get cancer in the UK or Australia and don't have private insurance you will still get all the treatment you need. The only advantage to having private insurance is that you can have that treatment while in a private room in a private hospital.

What happens to uninsured Americans that get cancer? And don't say they can get treated in the ER. The ER does not provide chemotherapy - or any other sort of ongoing treatment.

By the way, if you object to the government controlling large parts of the economy you had better start advocating privatizing the military and law enforcement.

Your logic is very stoogerific.

Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....


Please do not equate yourself with "truly intelligent people" when you call the president a "pinko".
 
2012-10-15 06:29:39 AM

Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....

[i1162.photobucket.com image 178x146]


Is it your job to throw random insults? That's all ya got? Your parents must be so proud.
 
2012-10-15 06:36:37 AM

Amdam: armoredbulldozer: kg2095: armoredbulldozer: Dwight_Yeast: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: armoredbulldozer: Via Infinito: fusillade762: Dear FSM, I am SO ready for this election to be over.

THIS. So f*cking much THIS.

Ditto (showing my old age?) If we don't Repeal ObamaCare, our country is through.

You sound pretty old.

What are people going to do when Obamacare takes effect and it doesn't ruin our country? Mass ritual suicide?

You want the government to control almost 20% of our economy, under a pinko presidency? Download the bill, read it, or at least skim it like I did. Search for the words hospice and tax, and see how you feel. We will be waiting to see doctors, since many of them will not be able to afford to keep their practices open. Anything Obama touches turns to shiat. Why should this be any different? Before you answer, look at the amount of executive orders he has issued, and read them. Uh-huh.....

That's strange. None of that happens in the rest of the developed world where we have had much more comprehensive government subsidized health care for decades now. If you get cancer in the UK or Australia and don't have private insurance you will still get all the treatment you need. The only advantage to having private insurance is that you can have that treatment while in a private room in a private hospital.

What happens to uninsured Americans that get cancer? And don't say they can get treated in the ER. The ER does not provide chemotherapy - or any other sort of ongoing treatment.

By the way, if you object to the government controlling large parts of the economy you had better start advocating privatizing the military and law enforcement.

Your logic is very stoogerific.

Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to af ...


I will if I please.
He is a pinko, like his father, Frank Marshall Davis.
 
2012-10-15 06:53:17 AM

armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....

[i1162.photobucket.com image 178x146]

Is it your job to throw random insults? That's all ya got? Your parents must be so proud.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-15 07:21:17 AM

Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Ease up dude. I've been through lots of sickness, cancer, yada yada with family. I know emergency room functions etc. I am worried about the human resource part of it from a pragmatic view. Lots of doctors are going to hang up their spurs since they won't be able to afford working under the auspices of ObamaCare. Our health care worker ratio will be all farked up. We are going to have a bunch of baby boomers needing gerontological health care. It will strain an already strained system. It didn't help that ObaMao stole almost a trillion from Medicare to fund his brainchild piece of legislation. I am a little too young to be a baby boomer. I think the health care system is indeed farked. I come from an engineering background, and I believe in taking solutions step by step, rather than writing a 2000 page law that most lawmakers didn't even read. At least the idiot Cass Sunstein is gone. For the record, I don't like Obama OR Romney. Truly intelligent people are smart enough to stay out of politics. The mayor of my city is a "grade A" cretin. So it goes.....

[i1162.photobucket.com image 178x146]

Is it your job to throw random insults? That's all ya got? Your parents must be so proud.

[i1162.photobucket.com image 320x290]


Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.
 
2012-10-15 07:27:31 AM

armoredbulldozer: Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.


* yawn *
 
2012-10-15 08:02:18 AM

Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.

* yawn *


Good, your dumb ass is finally tired. Throw your computer into the nearest trash receptacle.
 
2012-10-15 08:07:49 AM

armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.

* yawn *

Good, your dumb ass is finally tired. Throw your computer into the nearest trash receptacle.


It's good to see that they let the third string trolls play an inning or two.
 
2012-10-15 08:24:12 AM

Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: Did I fark your sister or something? Your Mommy has your HotPocket ready, Get whatever pill(s) you are on and take it/them too.

* yawn *

Good, your dumb ass is finally tired. Throw your computer into the nearest trash receptacle.

It's good to see that they let the third string trolls play an inning or two.


I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?
 
2012-10-15 08:48:48 AM

armoredbulldozer: I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?


Don't you have a truncated school bus to catch?
 
2012-10-15 08:58:06 AM

armoredbulldozer:
I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?


Nope, Troll. Kind of obvious one too. Pretty amateur. You are new at this, aren't you? Probably plonked on to a lot of Ignore lists already.
 
2012-10-15 09:03:30 AM

Silverstaff: armoredbulldozer:
I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Nope, Troll. Kind of obvious one too. Pretty amateur. You are new at this, aren't you? Probably plonked on to a lot of Ignore lists already.


I pride myself on my short ignore list, but this guy seems insistent on spewing derp and is clearly witless.

I might be better off.
 
2012-10-15 09:08:37 AM

Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Don't you have a truncated school bus to catch?


No derp. You have me confused with someone else. So I am evil because I don't like ObamaCare or Obama? How many aliases do you have?
 
2012-10-15 09:09:46 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Silverstaff: armoredbulldozer:
I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Nope, Troll. Kind of obvious one too. Pretty amateur. You are new at this, aren't you? Probably plonked on to a lot of Ignore lists already.

I pride myself on my short ignore list, but this guy seems insistent on spewing derp and is clearly witless.

I might be better off.


Troll? Citation needed.
 
2012-10-15 10:19:27 AM

armoredbulldozer: Whiskey Pete: armoredbulldozer: I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Don't you have a truncated school bus to catch?

No derp. You have me confused with someone else. So I am evil because I don't like ObamaCare or Obama? How many aliases do you have?


totally.

How anyone can support obamacare is beyond me. Its an infringement of your freedom and mine and that of every American.

Nothing is more American than the right we all have to have our livelihoods destroyed by illness when we're unemployed and uninsured. Nothing is more of a testament to American achievement than being unable to get insurance on the open market because of a preexisting condition for you, your spouse, or especially your children. We must never forget the children of this country, the future upon which we all depend. They too should never be denied the right to be denied affordable health care because of having been ill, or ADHD, or some other profit margin eroding illness. They must do their part to assure and ensure the profit margins of the great Insurance Companies which defend our very way of life and maintain the sanctity of our precious bodily fluids. Pass on those people, pass the cost of their health care onto the families, the communities, the ERs, because spreading that risk around the entire population through mandated care, that's just bad business for the insurance companies. And as we all know, that's un-American.
 
2012-10-15 11:00:38 AM

armoredbulldozer: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Silverstaff: armoredbulldozer:
I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Nope, Troll. Kind of obvious one too. Pretty amateur. You are new at this, aren't you? Probably plonked on to a lot of Ignore lists already.

I pride myself on my short ignore list, but this guy seems insistent on spewing derp and is clearly witless.

I might be better off.

Troll? Citation needed.


You're asking me to cite your derp? This is what I mean about being witless, by the way.

"He is a pinko, like his father, Frank Marshall Davis."

That was a tired conspiracy theory back in 2009 and it has only grown more stale with age. I don't mind stupid but at least make it an entertaining brand of stupid.

It's the kind of statement that says, "I'm lonely and feel like I have no control over my life and must inflict the byproducts of this on anonymous internet users."

Oh, and don't bother showing me your blog links and Fw:Fwd:fw:FW: email quotes, I really don't care what you think about Frank Davis Marshall.
 
2012-10-15 05:28:05 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Silverstaff: armoredbulldozer:
I'm not a troll. Just discussing the topics. Everything was fine until you came along. Don't be so jealous. Don't you have a schoolbus to catch?

Nope, Troll. Kind of obvious one too. Pretty amateur. You are new at this, aren't you? Probably plonked on to a lot of Ignore lists already.

I pride myself on my short ignore list, but this guy seems insistent on spewing derp and is clearly witless.

I might be better off.


Being called a troll just because I don't like Obama. They should rename this site obamalovers.com for you pussies!
 
2012-10-15 06:11:47 PM

Alphax: I must have missed the source of that 'study it out' phrase. It doesn't even make sense.


It's Mormon. "Study it out" is direct from Mormon theology, "Doctrines Section 9, verse 8":
 
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