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2012-10-13 12:53:12 PM
So who gets the job of wiping his ass?

/asswipes
 
2012-10-13 01:05:04 PM
If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing
 
2012-10-13 01:11:54 PM

cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing



And it would still be asinine.
 
2012-10-13 02:18:26 PM

Amos Quito: cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing


And it would still be asinine.


You think it's a good idea to leave somebody with these in prison?

www.nndb.com
 
2012-10-13 02:41:18 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Amos Quito: cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing


And it would still be asinine.

You think it's a good idea to leave somebody with these in prison?

[www.nndb.com image 300x216]



1. He's not in prison, he's in jail.

2. He's a high-profile "suspected terr-rist" with an Ayrab / Mooslimb sounding name, so you can bet they keep him in solitary, therefor the worst he could do is commit suicide.

3. If he's guilty, would (2) be a "bad" thing?

4. Congrats on finding an illustrative picture of what a "hands-free Ayrab terr-rist" might look like.
 
2012-10-13 02:46:54 PM

Amos Quito: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Amos Quito: cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing


And it would still be asinine.

You think it's a good idea to leave somebody with these in prison?

[www.nndb.com image 300x216]


1. He's not in prison, he's in jail.

2. He's a high-profile "suspected terr-rist" with an Ayrab / Mooslimb sounding name, so you can bet they keep him in solitary, therefor the worst he could do is commit suicide.

3. If he's guilty, would (2) be a "bad" thing?

4. Congrats on finding an illustrative picture of what a "hands-free Ayrab terr-rist" might look like.


Also, I'm pretty sure any definition of 'cruel and unusual' punishment includes depriving prisoners of prosthetics.
 
2012-10-13 03:08:47 PM

Amos Quito: 2. He's a high-profile "suspected terr-rist" with an Ayrab / Mooslimb sounding name, so you can bet they keep him in solitary, therefor the worst he could do is commit suicide.


Or murder a nurse/guard/counselor/whoever. Not saying that his hook is ideal for that or that he would do that. Just that suicide isn't the worst thing someone in "solitary" can do.

Amos Quito: 3. If he's guilty, would (2) be a "bad" thing?


Yes.

GAT_00: Also, I'm pretty sure any definition of 'cruel and unusual' punishment includes depriving prisoners of prosthetics.


I'm a bit torn on this one. I don't want to see the guy go without prosthetics, but I can definitely understand the concern regarding providing inmates with hooks. I think his history of in-jail behavior might be an important factor for me. They are, at least, getting him new ones at no expense to him, and I can understand that they don't have a suitable replacement immediately on-hand (ugh).

Hm. I guess I'm just not sure, here. I lean toward letting him have them if he has shown no behavioral problems, but it's close for me.
 
2012-10-13 03:35:51 PM

Relatively Obscure: I'm a bit torn on this one. I don't want to see the guy go without prosthetics, but I can definitely understand the concern regarding providing inmates with hooks. I think his history of in-jail behavior might be an important factor for me. They are, at least, getting him new ones at no expense to him, and I can understand that they don't have a suitable replacement immediately on-hand (ugh).


You'd think they'd keep a few within arms-length.

I don't think there's a great answer here. Can't wander around jail with two weapons, can't be left to wander around with no arms.
 
2012-10-13 03:56:31 PM

Amos Quito: 4. Congrats on finding an illustrative picture of what a "hands-free Ayrab terr-rist" might look like.


Just fyi, that's a picture of the actual person the article is talking about.

GAT_00: Also, I'm pretty sure any definition of 'cruel and unusual' punishment includes depriving prisoners of prosthetics.


You realise they're making him a new set which actually resemble hands, and not offensive weapons, right?
 
2012-10-13 04:16:53 PM
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nice headline, subby
 
2012-10-13 04:27:01 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: GAT_00: Also, I'm pretty sure any definition of 'cruel and unusual' punishment includes depriving prisoners of prosthetics.

You realise they're making him a new set which actually resemble hands, and not offensive weapons, right?


You realize he has the prosthetics for part of the day, right? And just how retarded have we become as a country where people look at taking away prosthetics from prisoners and going "Yep, that's not cruel at all."
 
2012-10-13 04:44:43 PM
You know, I ought to create a list called "Things That Are Always Wrong." Somewhere in the top 10 will include the phrase "Yes, prisoners are treated humanely in that Middle Eastern/Muslim/Totalitarian Country." Egypt is two of the three. It's the kind of thing that if you think something like that and don't immediately beat yourself into a coma, you're wrong, and not only that you are making this country worse in every way by polluting it with such GOP tripe.
 
2012-10-13 05:21:18 PM
Oh man but that terrorist never hurt a soul! And he looks like a sweetheart.
 
2012-10-13 05:21:24 PM
France disapproves.
 
2012-10-13 05:25:30 PM

GAT_00: DammitIForgotMyLogin: GAT_00: Also, I'm pretty sure any definition of 'cruel and unusual' punishment includes depriving prisoners of prosthetics.

You realise they're making him a new set which actually resemble hands, and not offensive weapons, right?

You realize he has the prosthetics for part of the day, right? And just how retarded have we become as a country where people look at taking away prosthetics from prisoners and going "Yep, that's not cruel at all."


Can't they just stick him in solitary until he goes to trial?
 
2012-10-13 05:26:21 PM
The Brits had him first, why didn't they take care of this?
 
2012-10-13 05:26:29 PM
Q: What do you say to a Muslim with no hands?

A: Nothing, you done told him twice.
 
2012-10-13 05:28:06 PM
I wonder what would happen if his lawyer specifically brought up the asswiping issue in court or to the media. No doubt the guards consider it the celly's job.
 
2012-10-13 05:30:11 PM
A terrorist. Boo freaking Hoo. You know how you can avoid having your hooks taken away? Don't be a dirtbag criminal. Easy answer. Cry me a river
 
2012-10-13 05:31:36 PM
You can't let a guy in jail carry around steel hooks, even if he's in solitary he can still attack the guards with them. Superglue a plastic spoon onto to the end of each stump and call it done.
 
2012-10-13 05:32:14 PM
www.nndb.com

Arr! I'm comin' fer yer booty, American scallywags!
 
2012-10-13 05:37:19 PM

Amos Quito: 4. Congrats on finding an illustrative picture of what a "hands-free Ayrab terr-rist" might look like.


I did a bit of checking. Turns out that that's Abu Hamza al-Masri, AKA Mustafa Kamel Mustafa, the dude currently deprived of his artificial limbs in a NYC jail every night. In all likelihood, that is indeed the very limb they're concerned about.
 
2012-10-13 05:40:13 PM

Amos Quito: And it would still be asinine.


I'm pretty much at the head of the line when it comes to calling bullshiat on thugs with badges when they abuse their power, but in this case I'm (mostly) OK with this. A metal hook on a prosthetic arm IS a weapon, and I don't care if you're in jail for terrorism or jaywalking, it presents a danger to other prisoners and yourself.

They need to get him non-dangerous prosthetic arms in a very expeditious manner, and treat him with basic human dignity, but yeah until that happens allowing sharp metal hooks in the secure area is a Very Bad Idea.
 
2012-10-13 05:41:28 PM
Stick a wad of gum on his stub and hes all set
 
2012-10-13 05:42:01 PM

Amos Quito: cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing


And it would still be asinine.


I'm not convinced. If a prisoner has something that could be used as a weapon, it's taken from them. And, based on what I read, they're making him a new arm that has fingers that can't as readily be used as a weapon.

I don't really have a problem with any of this (though I do think they should make HIM pay for the prosthetic arm if he is able to do so.
 
2012-10-13 05:42:10 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Amos Quito: cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing


And it would still be asinine.

You think it's a good idea to leave somebody with these in prison?

[www.nndb.com image 300x216]


But just imagine the lessons.

www.clevescene.com

And that's why you never bend over to pick up the soap.
 
2012-10-13 05:43:34 PM
one more thing for other countries to look at and laugh. put a bullet in his skull and call it a day.

/look ma, no hands
 
2012-10-13 05:43:49 PM
Hands are a weapon too, now they want to give this guy plastic hands?

Foam stubs would suffice.
 
2012-10-13 05:46:40 PM
When are we going to have a criminal justice system that doesn't inconvenience anybody?
 
2012-10-13 05:47:53 PM

smadge1: Hands are a weapon too, now they want to give this guy plastic hands?

Foam stubs would suffice.


It's a hook. A metal hook. He's like captain hook. Can you imagine the lawsuit and paperwork if someone got their throat ripped out because they let an inmate keep his metal hook?
 
2012-10-13 05:57:53 PM

enik: Oh man but that terrorist never hurt a soul!


He was convicted?

ditkaman: A terrorist. Boo freaking Hoo.


He was convicted?

Arctic Phoenix: I do think they should make HIM pay for the prosthetic arm


He was convicted?
 
2012-10-13 06:03:55 PM

Relatively Obscure: enik: Oh man but that terrorist never hurt a soul!

He was convicted?

ditkaman: A terrorist. Boo freaking Hoo.

He was convicted?

Arctic Phoenix: I do think they should make HIM pay for the prosthetic arm

He was convicted?


Not only is he a terrorist, but a child molester and a rapist. Are there any other accusations we can hurl at him that immediately nullify his rights?

See, it's important that we violate the rule of law in order to protect the rule of law; see also torture.
 
2012-10-13 06:07:10 PM
shoot the guy 72 times, dump him in the farking ocean, problem more than solved...
 
2012-10-13 06:08:14 PM

GAT_00: You know, I ought to create a list called "Things That Are Always Wrong." Somewhere in the top 10 will include the phrase "Yes, prisoners are treated humanely in that Middle Eastern/Muslim/Totalitarian Country." Egypt is two of the three. It's the kind of thing that if you think something like that and don't immediately beat yourself into a coma, you're wrong, and not only that you are making this country worse in every way by polluting it with such GOP tripe.


If you're making a list of things that are always wrong, your name should be at the top of the list.
 
2012-10-13 06:10:46 PM

God-is-a-Taco: [www.nndb.com image 300x216]

Arr! I'm comin' fer yer booty, American scallywags!


I'm seeing more of a Candyman reboot.
 
2012-10-13 06:10:49 PM

Relatively Obscure: enik: Oh man but that terrorist never hurt a soul!

He was convicted?


He's been before a judge and either been unable to come up with the bail money(unlikely in this case), or judged(by an actual judge!) to be a continuing threat/flight risk, thus to be kept incarcerated until his trial. Which should be held expeditiously, but not rushed.

Yes, it sucks for him. But he was apparently such a bad boy that we bothered to extradite him from England, and you gotta work at being obnoxious for us to do that.

They're spending ~$15k to get him prison-compatible prosthetics. Those have to be custom fitted, so it's going to take a bit. Probably a couple months.
 
2012-10-13 06:13:57 PM

Firethorn: He's been before a judge and either been unable to come up with the bail money(unlikely in this case), or judged(by an actual judge!) to be a continuing threat/flight risk, thus to be kept incarcerated until his trial. Which should be held expeditiously, but not rushed.


Okay...

Firethorn: Yes, it sucks for him. But he was apparently such a bad boy that we bothered to extradite him from England, and you gotta work at being obnoxious for us to do that.


At least, we seem to think he was. Doesn't mean he was.

Firethorn: They're spending ~$15k to get him prison-compatible prosthetics. Those have to be custom fitted, so it's going to take a bit. Probably a couple months.


I don't have a problem with that. I can see the concerns from both sides on this one. As I said above, I think a big part of the decision for me, if I were 'the decider,' would be how he's being housed and what his behavior has been.
 
2012-10-13 06:16:02 PM

proteus_b: shoot the guy 72 times, dump him in the farking ocean, problem more than solved...


Holy cow I have you farkied as "defends torture" from months ago. Sad to see you've decided to remain a worthless human being.
 
2012-10-13 06:20:16 PM

Amos Quito: cretinbob: If he weren't a terror suspect, they'd do the same thing


And it would still be asinine.


Why don't you regale us with your tales of working with inmates with prosthetics? Go ahead, I can tell you of 5 individual cases I've seen inmates use their prosthetics to injure another prisoner or staff. A very good friend of mine lost her eye. I have seen it first hand as the treating provider. You don't have a farking clue what you're talking about, you just want to lash out at the government and you don't give a fark about the damage that these poor helpless souls can do to nurses, social workers, lawyers, you know.. The people actually caring for them instead of being internet tough guys who spouts bullshiat becuase he's too clueless or too inured of criminal thought to stop and think for one minute about the safety of others.
 
2012-10-13 06:35:26 PM

BSABSVR: Relatively Obscure: I'm a bit torn on this one. I don't want to see the guy go without prosthetics, but I can definitely understand the concern regarding providing inmates with hooks. I think his history of in-jail behavior might be an important factor for me. They are, at least, getting him new ones at no expense to him, and I can understand that they don't have a suitable replacement immediately on-hand (ugh).

You'd think they'd keep a few within arms-length.

I don't think there's a great answer here. Can't wander around jail with two weapons, can't be left to wander around with no arms.


There's not. Farther down in the article, there's this:

In January, an inmate in an upstate New York prison accused a fellow prisoner of assaulting him with a prosthetic arm, later telling guards it felt like being hit with a steel baseball bat. And in June, an Arkansas man was accused of using a fake arm and a rock to beat another man to death.

While the owner of the prosthetic arm may be the nicest guy in the world, that doesn't prevent some other asshole from grabbing the arm and using it as a weapon, which prison officials also have to consider. There isn't an easy answer here, short of keeping the suspect in isolation--which is ALSO a violation of his rights, by the way. If anyone can come up with a good way to let him keep his prosthetics in such a way that he is not at risk by having them, other inmates are not at risk by his having them, staff are not at risk by his having them, and other inmates cannot take them and put others at risk...I'd love to hear their ideas, because I can't think of any.
 
2012-10-13 06:44:27 PM

happydude45: GAT_00: You know, I ought to create a list called "Things That Are Always Wrong." Somewhere in the top 10 will include the phrase "Yes, prisoners are treated humanely in that Middle Eastern/Muslim/Totalitarian Country." Egypt is two of the three. It's the kind of thing that if you think something like that and don't immediately beat yourself into a coma, you're wrong, and not only that you are making this country worse in every way by polluting it with such GOP tripe.

If you're making a list of things that are always wrong, your name should be at the top of the list.


A Texan defending inhumane treatment of people. Typical.
 
2012-10-13 06:44:52 PM

Gyrfalcon: While the owner of the prosthetic arm may be the nicest guy in the world, that doesn't prevent some other asshole from grabbing the arm and using it as a weapon, which prison officials also have to consider. There isn't an easy answer here, short of keeping the suspect in isolation--which is ALSO a violation of his rights, by the way. If anyone can come up with a good way to let him keep his prosthetics in such a way that he is not at risk by having them, other inmates are not at risk by his having them, staff are not at risk by his having them, and other inmates cannot take them and put others at risk...I'd love to hear their ideas, because I can't think of any.


Protective custody often involves segregation, which should keep an inmate isolated from other inmates (not staff). As for staff... yeah. It would be trickier for staff, which is why I'd be interested to see what his behavior has been like. He's apparently allowed to have them during some of the day, as it is, anyway.

I'm not convinced that the jail isn't doing the best thing that they can do in this unfortunate situation; I just think it definitely deserves some thought, because it's a shiatty thing to have to surrender your hands at the end of every day.
 
2012-10-13 06:45:55 PM
And there... on the door... was a HOOK!!!
 
2012-10-13 06:50:01 PM

Amos Quito: 1. He's not in prison, he's in jail.


Irrelevant. This man is in the custody of the Department of Corrections. They are implicitly responsible for ensuring his safe arrival to trial and sentencing for the Federal Government and State of New York. That includes preventing him from having access to items that can be used to harm himself, or others, as a weapon. Prosthetic hooks with sharp ends are one of those. It wouldn't be hard to use for someone to use that like a meathook and shiv someone, or harm themselves in an attempt to commit suicide. In addition to it, the prison is providing him with an alternative, at the cost of 15K to the taxpayers of the United States.

I fail to see a problem with this. Unless you can point out the applicable US Law which says it's wrong.
 
2012-10-13 06:53:50 PM

Bender The Offender: Why don't you regale us with your tales of working with inmates with prosthetics? Go ahead, I can tell you of 5 individual cases I've seen inmates use their prosthetics to injure another prisoner or staff. A very good friend of mine lost her eye. I have seen it first hand as the treating provider. You don't have a farking clue what you're talking about, you just want to lash out at the government and you don't give a fark about the damage that these poor helpless souls can do to nurses, social workers, lawyers, you know.. The people actually caring for them instead of being internet tough guys who spouts bullshiat becuase he's too clueless or too inured of criminal thought to stop and think for one minute about the safety of others.


My God. That's the best way I've ever heard Amos Quito described.

image.legios.org

Really, anyone who follows any kind of political posts that have to do with the United States, Israel, or the Middle East, should not be surprised at the tripe he's spewing out. I'm surprised we haven't heard an Anti-Israeli conspiracy theory thrown into this.
 
2012-10-13 06:55:28 PM

TsukasaK: . Sad to see you've decided to remain a worthless human being.


NOOO, you're a towel.
 
2012-10-13 06:55:42 PM
I feel a complete lack of giving a f*ck about this creep's plight. He was an obnoxious, swaggering bastard in the UK who was up to no good and he took advantage of the limp-dicked system in the UK, and now he's getting a hard, hard lesson that we don't put up with bullsh*t like his on this side of the pond.

Enjoy your waterboarding, asshat!
 
2012-10-13 06:56:38 PM
I guess that's what they call...
imageshack.us

/fog horn
 
2012-10-13 06:59:38 PM
i2.ytimg.com
"....and he had a HOOK.....for a HAND!"
 
2012-10-13 07:00:32 PM
Popcorn.

Going to get.
 
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