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(New York Daily News)   Now that we civilized the land the Onondaga Indian Tribe of New York is fighting to reclaim 2.5 million acres, including Binghamton, Oswego, Syracuse and Watertown   (nydailynews.com) divider line 26
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2012-10-13 02:12:37 PM
4 votes:
Let the UN settle this. They did such a good job with those other guys. We never hear from them. C'mon, Onondagas, claim ancestral holy ground. take what the UN partitions and then seize a couple of extra square miles 'for security'. Then, move in more tribes and expand in to disputed areas. Develope your own trade, laws and get recognized by a 'friendly' nation who will give you a couple a billion a year to buy weapons.

Then a miracle will happen and peace and happiness will fall upon the land.
2012-10-13 02:28:22 PM
3 votes:

Decados: I am getting so damed sick and tired of all of this crap.

You all lost the war against civilization. Please either acclimate into our, the victors, society, or go off into a little corner and just die. Go away. Stop whining that every mound of dirt that's more than a foot tall is 'sacred' to you. Stop pretending that the land you forced OTHER indians out of has 'always been a spiritual heartland to our people'. Stop claiming that just because you're 1/10000000'th indian that you have 'special rights'. Stop pretending that you're not a conquered people.

The reservation system was a result of our bigotry towards native americans, and it's continued existance only perpetuates the cultural differences and divisions.


They are; they are suing for breech of contract. What you are complaining about is that they are using the white man's tool to roger the white man.

You: Be like us white people; stab others inthe back and use legalistic gooble-de-gook to rape the other guys silly!
Them: Well ... if you insist: we signed this; your designated representatives signed this; you haven't been honoring the deal; we're gonna sue you for breach of contract; bend over pretty-boy
You: Noooooooooooooooooo! That's not faaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !
2012-10-13 02:53:44 PM
2 votes:
I agree with the troll-tastic single comment in the article: just grant them full mineral rights to the region.

Just imagine how insane the fracking debate would suddenly become if all of the revenue would go to the native Americans. You'd walk into the public computer room of the Library and see people with their brains outside of their bodies.
2012-10-13 02:34:09 PM
2 votes:
What's the most popular red w(h)ine in New York?
2012-10-13 02:15:18 PM
2 votes:

Diogenes: SilentStrider: Why the hell would anyone want Watertown?

The Oneida Community?


I love "That Thing You Do".

wolfman on bass

spartacus?
2012-10-13 08:55:32 PM
1 votes:

MeanJean: 50$ says that the same people here complaining about Native Americans are the same ones who piss and moan about illegal immigrants.


Duh, they know the value of keeping the illegal immigrants out. Since the previous natives didn't do such a great job.
2012-10-13 05:49:29 PM
1 votes:

phalamir: chuckufarlie: maybe they should have spoken up sooner.

maybe we should find out how many people in this tribe are left and their percentage of tribal blood.

maybe they should shut up and find a life.

maybe they should be happy that they were not completely wiped out long ago.

So, what you are saying is that if any corporation that wants to can totally null any agreement it may have with you, and you will slin off and kill yourself in a corner to avoid causing them any problems for breaking a legal contract.

They found a life; they decided to adopt the Western legal system as their model, i.e. they did what you wanted. They then realized that they had a legal claim based on the failure of other entities to love up to the terms of that contract. If the case was "John Smith is suing Edward Taylor because Edward Taylor agreed to pay John Smith for 10 acres of land, but then Edward Taylor refused to, and now John Smith is suing Edward Taylor to get his land back" how would it be any different legally than what this is?


why do so many farkers come up with analogies that would not make sense to any intelligent person? I guess it is because so many of you are not intelligent. Your analogy would be better, but still stupid, if you said that John Smith's great great great grandson who suing for the land.

BTW, the Indians did not do what I wanted. I would want them to learn to stand on their own two feet, stop asking the govt. for handouts and stop instigating lawsuits like this one.

Did you read the article? This stems back to 1788 and 1822. The lawsuit was not filed until 2005. That is a long time between the "wrong" and the lawsuit. Hopefully you can do the math.

There is a statute of limitations for most actions. Let's make the limit 100 years and tell the Indians to go fark themselves.
2012-10-13 05:42:27 PM
1 votes:

UltimaCS: chuckufarlie: maybe they should have spoken up sooner.
If you spent more time with your head outside of your ass, you'd know that this has been a legal issue since such treaties were signed.

maybe we should find out how many people in this tribe are left and their percentage of tribal blood.
Why does it matter? Surely you're not so ridiculously antiquated that you still hold onto the idea that Natives (the only people in the Western Hemisphere where this matters) are only as Native as their blood allows? Would you sponsor a bill that says government handouts should only apply to people who can trace their lineage to forefathers?

maybe they should shut up and find a life.
I'm glad you're taking the country's oldest issue so seriously.

maybe they should be happy that they were not completely wiped out long ago.
I just hope you're not the kind of animal who says this to their parents/grandparents before shoving them in a home.


1, The fact that this has been an issue for so long is not important. Each situation must be treated alone. In THIS case, they should have spoken up sooner.

2. Bloodlines seem to matter to the Indians. Show me a tribe with a money source to share among the tribal members and I will show you a tribe that has put limits on who is and who is not a member of the tribe, Beyond that, there has been Federal limitations based on percentage of tribal blood for a long time. Many of the handouts given to Indians is based on bloodline percentage,

3. Troubles with the Indians is not the oldest issue in the country. It is just the oldest not to be settled. More Indians would assimilate if they were not given handouts by the govt. Spend some time in western states with large reservations and then get back to me. No group of people takes advantage of the govt. more than the Indians.

4. The idea that there is any comparison between the failure to completely wipe out the Indians and sending old people to a home is based on stupidity. There is no way to make a logical comparison. Not that you are all that logical.

So, it seems that your real problem is a lack of information on the subject coupled with the erroneous idea that you do have that information.
2012-10-13 04:21:56 PM
1 votes:

phojo1946: Let Congress make them all full American citizens


o_O
2012-10-13 03:31:45 PM
1 votes:

Obama4Life: Nemo's Brother: Obama4Life: Why is this asinine, subby? They're only asking for the lands that were rightfully thiers, to begin with

Your boy Obama is in favor of eminent domain (along with drone attacks, warrantless arrests and assassinations of US citizens which are different issues). Why won't he and Congress just tell them to die?

But nevermind the fact that Bush signed the bill.


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2012-10-13 03:27:29 PM
1 votes:
What Americans consider "civilizing" the land:

randylewis.org

i.telegraph.co.uk

cf.juggle-images.com
2012-10-13 02:59:07 PM
1 votes:

Obama4Life: Why is this asinine, subby? They're only asking for the lands that were rightfully thiers, to begin with


Your boy Obama is in favor of eminent domain (along with drone attacks, warrantless arrests and assassinations of US citizens which are different issues). Why won't he and Congress just tell them to die?
2012-10-13 02:53:10 PM
1 votes:
My Dad's family is from Oswego, I was born in Onondaga County, went to SUNY Binghamton... Now I live in Nevada. Look up Sarah Winnemucca. This case just underscores the fact that when the Constitution said all men are created equal, they didn't mean blacks, or indigenous people, or Irish, or women, or poor.

To those who say "We won, get over it," I would say, "Learn Spanish (or Mandarin), get over it."
2012-10-13 02:33:44 PM
1 votes:
Who is this 'we' you're speaking of, subby?
2012-10-13 02:32:09 PM
1 votes:
They can have Oswego. Spent a month there. Trust me, the country would come out the winner if it gave up Oswego.
2012-10-13 02:30:27 PM
1 votes:

LabGrrl: So, does this mean the Onondaga have a plan to clean up the three large superfund sites on that land claim without federal dollars?


Oh, the feds can keep that part. Consider it a "blanket of friendship" for Great White Father to seal the deal
2012-10-13 02:18:08 PM
1 votes:
t3.gstatic.com

What's their hole doin' in my state?

/If my state was Missouri - which it isn't
//49 stars forever!
2012-10-13 02:15:02 PM
1 votes:
Indian givers.
2012-10-13 02:13:35 PM
1 votes:
I say give it to 'em and cut federal/state funded programs to those areas to ease the tax burden on the State.
2012-10-13 02:06:06 PM
1 votes:
Well you can't have the land but we do have these sweet blankets right over here you can just take.
2012-10-13 02:02:21 PM
1 votes:
ummm, Fort Drum is in that area. I'm sure the military will go along with this. . .
2012-10-13 01:58:30 PM
1 votes:
Why?

Drilling rights.
2012-10-13 01:57:18 PM
1 votes:
"Onon, onan- not gonna live here anymore."
2012-10-13 12:19:15 PM
1 votes:
Indian Wars II: Lawyer Boogaloo
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-13 12:15:31 PM
1 votes:
The Seneca tribe also wants land back and has been billing New York for tolls it charges drivers who use the Thruway through their claimed territory.
2012-10-13 10:25:38 AM
1 votes:
Why the hell would anyone want Watertown?
 
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