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2012-10-13 06:23:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So what's your plan to get MASSES of people to vote third party.


I like to wait for idiots like you to complain about the other political party doing the same shiat yours does. Then I point it out. With citations.

Sooner or later, facts sink in.
 
2012-10-13 06:25:54 PM  

BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: So what's your plan to get MASSES of people to vote third party.

I like to wait for idiots like you to complain about the other political party doing the same shiat yours does. Then I point it out. With citations.

Sooner or later, facts sink in.


What a cunning plan. Thanks to your extensive planning, there's no WAY that Obama or Romney can win the Presidency.
 
2012-10-13 06:31:23 PM  

gimmegimme: BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: So what's your plan to get MASSES of people to vote third party.

I like to wait for idiots like you to complain about the other political party doing the same shiat yours does. Then I point it out. With citations.

Sooner or later, facts sink in.

What a cunning plan. Thanks to your extensive planning, there's no WAY that Obama or Romney can win the Presidency.


Ahhh... The delicious irony of being in a PBS thread with "liberals" complaining about factual information.
 
2012-10-13 06:35:59 PM  

gimmegimme: thamike: Holy balls, this is stupid.

No, no. I think that BullBear and ZeroCorpse are making good points. Think about the 2000 election. We would be in the EXACT SAME PLACE had Kerry won the Supreme Court Election. Right? It doesn't matter who sits in the chair.


He doesn't have a point. Fark is a vehicle for him to piss and moan and rationalize their alleged voter apathy while trying to talk people in tiny circles. There is nothing to convince or be convinced by. The more specifics you ask for, the broader the topic gets. It's navel-gazing horsesh*t masquerading as superiority.
 
2012-10-13 06:40:10 PM  
See? Now he's accusing everybody else of being off topic. Now we're going to argue about what the implied ironic juxtaposition between PBS and actual information is
 
2012-10-13 06:40:46 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: There are ENDLESS numbers of TV shows for children that are also educational that are don't funded with tax payer dollars.
It's a waste.


You have to ask yourself, can the biggest economy in the world afford .0012% of its budget to ensure distribution of really good educational TV and a safe starting ground for a variety of television programs? And apparently, you look at it and say 'No.'
 
2012-10-13 06:40:47 PM  
I dropped an 'f' somewhere...
 
2012-10-13 06:42:30 PM  

thamike: gimmegimme: thamike: Holy balls, this is stupid.

No, no. I think that BullBear and ZeroCorpse are making good points. Think about the 2000 election. We would be in the EXACT SAME PLACE had Kerry won the Supreme Court Election. Right? It doesn't matter who sits in the chair.

He doesn't have a point. Fark is a vehicle for him to piss and moan and rationalize their alleged voter apathy while trying to talk people in tiny circles. There is nothing to convince or be convinced by. The more specifics you ask for, the broader the topic gets. It's navel-gazing horsesh*t masquerading as superiority.


I was being facetious, friend. They sound like hippies with their vague crap. I've tried asking for some specifics.
 
2012-10-13 06:43:48 PM  

gimmegimme: I was being facetious, friend. They sound like hippies with their vague crap. I've tried asking for some specifics.


It was for everybody's benefit.
 
2012-10-13 06:53:00 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I went overseas and saw the crap they produce here with funds extorted from people with the 'TV License Tax'. Absolute crap TV with the crappy publicly funded actors making many, many times the normal wage. If they're really worth that amount of money there is no need to forcefully collect it from tax payers.


Yes...when I think of the BBC, I think of crap.

Fark_Guy_Rob: There are ENDLESS numbers of TV shows for children that are also educational that are don't funded with tax payer dollars.
It's a waste.



Such as? Have you seen the shows geared for kids today? Contrary to what you may think, Spongebob Squarepants is not educational or an accurate interpretation of aquatic life.
 
2012-10-13 06:55:31 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Obama's tried to do things like close Gitmo


Obama never tried to close Gitmo. He tried to move it into an unused prison on US soil instead.

In ordering the federal government to acquire an Illinois prison to house terrorism suspects who are currently held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, President Obama on Tuesday took a major step toward shutting down the military detention facility that its detractors say had become a potent recruitment tool for Al Qaeda.

Administration officials acknowledged that the move would require Congressional approval, since Congress now bars Guantánamo detainees from being brought onto American soil unless they face prosecution, and some of the detainees may be indefinitely confined without being tried.


That's not closing Gitmo. That's moving it onto US soil where they admit they wanted to keep on holding people forever without a trial.

Here's what the ACLU had to say at the time:

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:

"The creation of a 'Gitmo North' in Illinois is hardly a meaningful step forward. Shutting down Guantánamo will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture if we continue its lawless policies onshore.

"Alarmingly, all indications are that the administration plans to continue its predecessor's policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial for some detainees, with only a change of location. Such a policy is completely at odds with our democratic commitment to due process and human rights whether it's occurring in Cuba or in Illinois. In fact, while the Obama administration inherited the Guantánamo debacle, this current move is its own affirmative adoption of those policies. It is unimaginable that the Obama administration is using the same justification as the Bush administration used to undercut centuries of legal jurisprudence and the principle of innocent until proven guilty and the right to confront one's accusers.


Then, of course, we have the fact that Obama is even now fighting for Indefinite Detention without a trial on US soil:

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.

I must say, the whole "Obama tried to close Gimtmo" lie is laughable at best.

Obama has been fighting for Indefinite Detention from the very beginning.
 
2012-10-13 06:59:05 PM  
"F" PBS. If they can't make it on their own, who cares?
 
2012-10-13 06:59:48 PM  

BullBearMS: Keizer_Ghidorah: .


Dude, you have at least two people asking you for a tangible plan. What should we do to break the two-party political system?
 
2012-10-13 07:06:50 PM  
 
2012-10-13 07:15:00 PM  

gimmegimme: BullBearMS: Keizer_Ghidorah: .

Dude, you have at least two people asking you for a tangible plan. What should we do to break the two-party political system?


Don't hold your breath.
 
2012-10-13 07:17:11 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: "F" PBS. If they can't make it on their own, who cares?


The hundreds of millions of Americans who benefit because of the existence of PBS at a ridiculously low cost to the taxpayer?
 
2012-10-13 07:19:07 PM  
I always figured Democrats were a bunch of muppets, but I didn't expect them to agree with me.
 
2012-10-13 07:20:01 PM  

gimmegimme: Clemkadidlefark: "F" PBS. If they can't make it on their own, who cares?

The hundreds of millions of Americans who benefit because of the existence of PBS at a ridiculously low cost to the taxpayer?


At least they admit that it's not about the budget anymore and is instead some petty ax to grind they have with PBS.
 
2012-10-13 07:41:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: gimmegimme: Clemkadidlefark: "F" PBS. If they can't make it on their own, who cares?

The hundreds of millions of Americans who benefit because of the existence of PBS at a ridiculously low cost to the taxpayer?

At least they admit that it's not about the budget anymore and is instead some petty ax to grind they have with PBS.


www.motherjones.com

Or shovel...
 
2012-10-13 07:52:19 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: There are ENDLESS numbers of TV shows for children that are also educational that are don't funded with tax payer dollars.
It's a waste.


Name one privately funded show that has the same quality of education as Sesame Street.

/seriously, I'd love to check it out
 
2012-10-13 08:00:27 PM  
It's a good thing we're focusing on this instead of Libya.

"Speed bumps."

BIG BIRD, YO.
 
2012-10-13 08:08:47 PM  

thamike: gimmegimme: Good point. We should suck away enthusiasm for Obama because R-Money will crack the whip on those bankers.

You're just going to invite yet another blue wall of text that accomplishes nothing.


All three of Obama's Chiefs of Staff have come from the banks.

Bill Moyers on PBS:
Jack Lew is President Obama's new chief of staff - arguably the most powerful office in the White House that isn't shaped like an oval. He used to work for the giant banking conglomerate Citigroup.

His predecessor as chief of staff is Bill Daley, who used to work at the giant banking conglomerate JPMorgan Chase, where he was maestro of the bank's global lobbying and chief liaison to the White House. Daley replaced Obama's first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, who once worked as a rainmaker for the investment bank now known as Wasserstein & Company, where in less than three years he was paid a reported eighteen and a half million dollars.

The new guy, Jack Lew ran hedge funds and private equity at Citigroup, which means he's a member of the Wall Street gang, too. His last job was as head of President Obama's Office of Management and Budget, where he replaced Peter Orzag, who now works as vice chairman for global banking at - hold on to your deposit slip - Citigroup.

President Obama may call bankers "fat cats" and stir the rabble against them with populist rhetoric when it serves his interest, but after the fiscal fiasco, he allowed the culprits to escape virtually scot-free. When he's in New York he dines with them frequently and eagerly accepts their big contributions. Like his predecessors, his administration also has provided them with billions of taxpayer dollars - low-cost money that they used for high-yielding investments to make big profits. The largest banks are bigger than they were when he took office and earned more in the first two-and-a-half years of his term than they did during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. That's confirmed by industry data.

And get this. It turns out, according to The New York Times, that as President Obama's inner circle has been shrinking, his "rare new best friend" is Robert Wolf. They play basketball, golf, and talk economics when Wolf is not raising money for the president's campaign.

Robert Wolf runs the U.S. branch of the giant Swiss bank UBS, which participated in schemes to help rich Americans evade their taxes.


Obama put a millionaire Wall Street Defense attorney in charge of the department responsible for prosecuting the Wall Street fraud that destroyed the economy.

Newsweek:
Obama chose Eric Holder, a former Clinton Justice official who, after a career in government, joined the Washington office of Covington & Burling, a top-tier law firm with an elite white-collar defense unit. The move to Covington, and back to Justice, is an example of Washington's revolving-door ritual, which, for Holder, has been lucrative--he pulled in $2.1 million as a Covington partner in 2008, and $2.5 million (including deferred compensation) when he left the firm in 2009.

Putting a Covington partner--he spent nearly a decade at the firm--in charge of Justice may have sent a signal to the financial community, whose marquee names are Covington clients. Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Deutsche Bank are among the institutions that pay for Covington's legal advice, some of it relating to matters before the Department of Justice.

But Holder's was not the only face at Justice familiar to Covington clients. Lanny Breuer, who had co-chaired the white-collar defense unit at Covington with Holder, was chosen to head the criminal division at Obama's Justice. Two other Covington lawyers followed Holder into top positions, and Holder's principal deputy, James Cole, was recruited from Bryan Cave LLP, another white-shoe firm with A-list finance clients.


Obama put Wall Street's guy in charge of the Department of Treasury:


Frontline on PBS:
NARRATOR: Candidate Barack Obama had made the economy a key issue.

Sen. BARACK OBAMA: We've got eight years of disastrous economic policies. That's what we're going to change when I'm president of the United States of America!

NARRATOR: But now, during the transition in Chicago, President-elect Obama faced a crucial decision about the economy. What team would he put together to carry out his agenda?

NARRATOR: The left's first choice was Paul Volcker. Feared on Wall Street, he was the reformers' guru, a former Federal Reserve chairman, a pro-regulation advocate, and an outspoken critic of the Wall Street banks.

NARRATOR: Picking Volcker would deliver on his campaign promises to reform the banks and get tough on Wall Street. But inside his transition team, there was also a more moderate faction, veterans of the Clinton administration. They had their own candidate.

NARRATOR: Geithner's career took off in the Clinton administration, a protege of Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin.

ROBERT REICH, Obama Economic Advisor: I knew that he was a protege of Bob Rubin. I knew that he was therefore of and by and from Wall Street. He sees the economy, as a practical matter, the way Wall Street sees the economy. And therefore, Tim Geithner is going to reflect what Wall Street ultimately wants.

NARRATOR: For Obama, adding Geithner, a key player during the Bush administration, would be an unusual choice.


We all know how that choice went.

Obama even went so far as to work to shut down the state investigations into Wall Street fraud.

New York Times:
Eric T. Schneiderman, the attorney general of New York, has come under increasing pressure from the Obama administration to drop his opposition to a wide-ranging state settlement with banks over dubious foreclosure practices, according to people briefed on discussions about the deal.

Matt Taibbi put it best:
A power play is underway in the foreclosure arena, according to the New York Times.

The idea behind this federally-guided "settlement" is to concentrate and centralize all the legal exposure accrued by this generation of grotesque banker corruption in one place, put one single price tag on it that everyone can live with, and then stuff the details into a titanium canister before shooting it into deep space.

This is all about protecting the banks from future enforcement actions on both the civil and criminal sides. The plan is to provide year-after-year, repeat-offending banks like Bank of America with cost certainty, so that they know exactly how much they'll have to pay in fines (trust me, it will end up being a tiny fraction of what they made off the fraudulent practices) and will also get to know for sure that there are no more criminal investigations in the pipeline.


Then there is the part where Obama outright told the bankers that he was "standing between them and the pitchforks."

Frontline on PBS
NARRATOR: Two weeks later, the nation's top bankers were summoned to the White House.
-after leveling some very harsh words at bankers- The president wanted to talk to them.

NEWSCASTER: Looking for accountability from the nation's banking leaders, today President Obama is meeting with CEOs of some of the nation's-

CHARLES DUHIGG: Thirteen bankers were called into a room to meet with the president of the United States. They were told that they were going to be chastised, that this was going to be the opportunity for the president to vent the public's anger.

NARRATOR: The bankers feared they could be forced to accept dramatic reforms- a ban against "too big to fail," a limit on executive compensation, and a requirement that they refinance mortgages for underwater homeowners.

RON SUSKIND: Obama comes in, and he's all business.

NARRATOR: There were few pleasantries exchanged. The president spoke first.

KEN LEWIS, CEO, Bank of America, 2001-09: The president made it pretty clear when he talked to us, you know, "We're between you and the pitchforks, guys. And you need to just acknowledge that."
 

Obama serves the interests of the obscenely wealthy, just as Romney does.
 
2012-10-13 08:13:53 PM  
Jim Henson graduated from University of Maryland. Seems like it would definitely have some local support who'll drive down for it. Neat!
 
2012-10-13 08:20:45 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Whodat: If PBS can't live of the licensing of the Sesame Street characters etc. they have horrible business sense. BTW, Caroll Spinney makes about $314000 a year. Big Bird is very close to being a "1%er".

Top 25%, if I remember correctly.

And PBS doesn't own Big Bird or Sesame Street; they're owned by an independent non-profit called the Children's Television Workshop, who (in good capitalist fashion) sell the program to PBS.


So then cutting funding to PBS won't actually be cutting funding to Sesame Street.
 
2012-10-13 08:42:10 PM  

Whodat: So then cutting funding to PBS won't actually be cutting funding to Sesame Street.


No, but cut funding to some PBS stations and they'll go off the air. Sesame Street will continue to exist; your kids just won't be able to watch it. (Christie already took WNJN off the air in New Jersey, because it replied on state funding).

But I have a feeling this isn't actually about PBS, but rather NPR, which is about the only non-biased media outlet out there. Yes, they still lean a little to the right, but that's mainly because they work hard to present both sides of any story they report. In some parts of the country, they're the only source for local news, which means there are people out there who are getting unbiased reporting and not being fed propaganda, which is why NPR must go.
 
2012-10-13 09:10:44 PM  
Maybe people should show their support of pbs by making a donation rather than, say, buying a car for the vp.
 
2012-10-13 09:31:35 PM  

big pig peaches: Maybe people should show their support of pbs by making a donation rather than, say, buying a car for the vp.


Maybe some of us already do?
 
2012-10-13 09:58:15 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Whodat: So then cutting funding to PBS won't actually be cutting funding to Sesame Street.

No, but cut funding to some PBS stations and they'll go off the air. Sesame Street will continue to exist; your kids just won't be able to watch it. (Christie already took WNJN off the air in New Jersey, because it replied on state funding).

But I have a feeling this isn't actually about PBS, but rather NPR, which is about the only non-biased media outlet out there. Yes, they still lean a little to the right, but that's mainly because they work hard to present both sides of any story they report. In some parts of the country, they're the only source for local news, which means there are people out there who are getting unbiased reporting and not being fed propaganda, which is why NPR must go.


That's some good stuff you're smoking.
 
2012-10-13 10:08:32 PM  

Il Douchey: It was my understanding that Sesame Street is sponsored by the letter Q and the number 6


It shows how toxic the show is that their sponsors only last one episode before distancing themselves.
 
2012-10-13 11:36:29 PM  
This is where the Sexy Bert costume I bought pays for itself.
 
2012-10-13 11:42:15 PM  

gerrymander: Didn't Sesame Street explicitly ask that Democrats stop using Big Bird in a partisan way?


...maybe Avenue Q could be used instead, to "show" what children's entertainment will become if Sesame Street has to go fully commercial?
 
2012-10-13 11:44:36 PM  

abb3w: gerrymander: Didn't Sesame Street explicitly ask that Democrats stop using Big Bird in a partisan way?

...maybe Avenue Q could be used instead, to "show" what children's entertainment will become if Sesame Street has to go fully commercial?


That or Nickelodeon and Disney Channel (sans Phineas and Ferb, that show is tolerable).
 
2012-10-14 12:35:13 AM  

BullBearMS: .


So what's your plan, man? I'ma still waitin'!
 
2012-10-14 12:54:11 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Dwight_Yeast: Whodat: So then cutting funding to PBS won't actually be cutting funding to Sesame Street.

No, but cut funding to some PBS stations and they'll go off the air. Sesame Street will continue to exist; your kids just won't be able to watch it. (Christie already took WNJN off the air in New Jersey, because it replied on state funding).

But I have a feeling this isn't actually about PBS, but rather NPR, which is about the only non-biased media outlet out there. Yes, they still lean a little to the right, but that's mainly because they work hard to present both sides of any story they report. In some parts of the country, they're the only source for local news, which means there are people out there who are getting unbiased reporting and not being fed propaganda, which is why NPR must go.

That's some good stuff you're smoking.


You're a moron:
Elimination of federal funding would result in fewer programs, less journalism - especially local journalism - and eventually the loss of public radio stations, particularly in rural and economically distressed communities.


But thanks for playing.
 
2012-10-14 12:58:28 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Democrats need to get off the Muppets thing. It's not going to change a damn thing in the election, and it looks amateur to try to pump this up into a big issue. And 5-year-olds don't vote.

Yes, Romney's threat to cut the Corporation from Public Broadcasting (and the 0.01% of the federal budget that it represents) was ridiculous and unserious, unbefitting of someone supposedly serious about tackling the budget in a substantive way.

But Democrats need to attack Romney's budget ideas on the whole, and not lose the forest for this one tree.


The problem is killing Big Bird is, thus far, one of the only specifics the Romney campaign has named.
 
2012-10-14 01:09:16 AM  
The clubbing, teargas, and taser videos should prove interesting.

I'll be looking forward to the comments from the old guys in the balcony.
 
2012-10-14 01:20:59 AM  

Funbags:
I guess that's why networks like Nickelodeon and Disney are so unprofitable.


They are also beholden to their shareholders, their stockholders, their wall street sycophants, and their corporate quarterly profits.

Get back to me when Spongebob or any Disney tv show has been on for 45 years (Washington Week), 43 years (Sesame Street), 40 years (Masterpiece Theater), 39 years (Great Performances), 37 years (NOVA), 36 years (PBS News Hour), 33 years (Mr Rogers Neighborhood), 29 years (Nature), or any other show on PBS that isn't designed to sell you sh*t you don't need, but to teach you something you don't know.

PBS stands for PUBLIC BROADCASTING SYSTEM, not Profits, Bullsh*t and Suckups. It was established as a non-commercial alternative to the hucksters, scam artists and scumbags which infest the airwaves of commercial television, and has done a fantastic job of staying away (for the most part) from the sh*tstorm of corporate influence when and where it can.

They put good, intelligent, thought provoking programs on the air without having to sweat every fraction of a ratings point and what it means to money-grubbing advertisers. I know when I turn to my local PBS station my brain will be filled, not emptied, and I don't mind my tax dollars making sure it stays that way.
 
2012-10-14 02:42:55 AM  

bmihura: Let's try the Libertarian approach, since the Democrats and Republicans have joined forces to tank the economy.


Let's not, since Libertarianism Makes You Stupid.
 
2012-10-14 02:46:47 AM  

anfrind: tomWright:

Your trolling is bad and you should feel bad.


I was hoping tomWright would give us another classic like "the anti-male anti-white narrative of the extreme racist left."
 
2012-10-14 08:39:06 AM  
Wow, quite a few of the most rarely seen Fark IndependentTM trolls have turned up in this thread.

What a truly odd thread for them to congregate on.

This Big Bird stuff really seems to have pushed their buttons for some reason. I suspect that they always thought Snuffleupagus was a Libertarian.
 
2012-10-14 08:53:22 AM  
When PBS goes from broadcasting 12 hours per day to broadcasting 24 hours a day sometimes having three channels per viewing area (with HD tv) , I can have little sympathy . We all have to make sacrifices these days.
 
2012-10-14 09:25:03 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Benjimin_Dover: Dwight_Yeast: Whodat: So then cutting funding to PBS won't actually be cutting funding to Sesame Street.

No, but cut funding to some PBS stations and they'll go off the air. Sesame Street will continue to exist; your kids just won't be able to watch it. (Christie already took WNJN off the air in New Jersey, because it replied on state funding).

But I have a feeling this isn't actually about PBS, but rather NPR, which is about the only non-biased media outlet out there. Yes, they still lean a little to the right, but that's mainly because they work hard to present both sides of any story they report. In some parts of the country, they're the only source for local news, which means there are people out there who are getting unbiased reporting and not being fed propaganda, which is why NPR must go.

That's some good stuff you're smoking.

You're a moron:
Elimination of federal funding would result in fewer programs, less journalism - especially local journalism - and eventually the loss of public radio stations, particularly in rural and economically distressed communities.

But thanks for playing.


You're welcome. When are you going to join in? I wasn't talking about whatever that was you just linked to. I'll thank you for playing once I detect play from you.
 
2012-10-14 09:25:04 AM  

BullBearMS: that accomplishes nothing.


No, no. That stays in.
 
2012-10-14 09:31:43 AM  

Biological Ali: Doc Daneeka: Democrats need to get off the Muppets thing. It's not going to change a damn thing in the election, and it looks amateur to try to pump this up into a big issue. And 5-year-olds don't vote.

Yes, Romney's threat to cut the Corporation from Public Broadcasting (and the 0.01% of the federal budget that it represents) was ridiculous and unserious, unbefitting of someone supposedly serious about tackling the budget in a substantive way.

But Democrats need to attack Romney's budget ideas on the whole, and not lose the forest for this one tree.

The problem is killing Big Bird is, thus far, one of the only specifics the Romney campaign has named.


There is a sea of Democrats and assorted liberals out there talking about how bad Romney's plan is going to be for the country.

That means you are doing one of the following.

1. Calling them all morons for opposing something that they could not possibly know what the details of it are.
2. Lying.
 
2012-10-14 10:13:44 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Biological Ali: Doc Daneeka: Democrats need to get off the Muppets thing. It's not going to change a damn thing in the election, and it looks amateur to try to pump this up into a big issue. And 5-year-olds don't vote.

Yes, Romney's threat to cut the Corporation from Public Broadcasting (and the 0.01% of the federal budget that it represents) was ridiculous and unserious, unbefitting of someone supposedly serious about tackling the budget in a substantive way.

But Democrats need to attack Romney's budget ideas on the whole, and not lose the forest for this one tree.

The problem is killing Big Bird is, thus far, one of the only specifics the Romney campaign has named.

There is a sea of Democrats and assorted liberals out there talking about how bad Romney's plan is going to be for the country.

That means you are doing one of the following.

1. Calling them all morons for opposing something that they could not possibly know what the details of it are.
2. Lying.


I wouldn't rule out the "morons" explanation just yet.
 
2012-10-14 02:10:10 PM  

BullBearMS: Keizer_Ghidorah: Obama's tried to do things like close Gitmo

Obama never tried to close Gitmo. He tried to move it into an unused prison on US soil instead.

In ordering the federal government to acquire an Illinois prison to house terrorism suspects who are currently held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, President Obama on Tuesday took a major step toward shutting down the military detention facility that its detractors say had become a potent recruitment tool for Al Qaeda.

Administration officials acknowledged that the move would require Congressional approval, since Congress now bars Guantánamo detainees from being brought onto American soil unless they face prosecution, and some of the detainees may be indefinitely confined without being tried.

That's not closing Gitmo. That's moving it onto US soil where they admit they wanted to keep on holding people forever without a trial.

Here's what the ACLU had to say at the time:

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:

"The creation of a 'Gitmo North' in Illinois is hardly a meaningful step forward. Shutting down Guantánamo will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture if we continue its lawless policies onshore.

"Alarmingly, all indications are that the administration plans to continue its predecessor's policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial for some detainees, with only a change of location. Such a policy is completely at odds with our democratic commitment to due process and human rights whether it's occurring in Cuba or in Illinois. In fact, while the Obama administration inherited the Guantánamo debacle, this current move is its own affirmative adoption of those policies. It is unimaginable that the Obama administration is using the same justification as the Bush administration used to undercut centuries of legal jurisprudence and the principle of innocent until proven guilty and the right to confront one's accusers.

Then, of course, we have the fact t ...


Obama wanted Gitmo closed and the inmates brought here so they could actually be tried. Most Republicans and some Democrats went pants-shiattingly crazy about the thought of "DEM EBIL TERRIERISTS TOUCHING USA SOIL!!" and fought to stop it, screeching about doomsday images of the inmates breaking out and running amok like something out of Batman's Arkham Asylum.

Also like how you keep responding to something I said two days ago while ignoring everyone else's much more recent posts and questions.
 
2012-10-14 03:42:13 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: There is a sea of Democrats and assorted liberals out there talking about how bad Romney's plan is going to be for the country.

That means you are doing one of the following.

1. Calling them all morons for opposing something that they could not possibly know what the details of it are.
2. Lying.


3. You're not very good at putting together a logical argument, and in particular, don't know what a false dichotomy is.
4. You're trolling this thread.
 
2012-10-14 06:06:41 PM  
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2012-10-14 06:09:25 PM  

BullBearMS: Both sides are bad, so stop voting for both of them.


Just give up, throw your hands up in the air and declare a pox on both your houses?

That's your plan?

Is pouting optional or mandatory in this inspiring vision for change you've come up with here?

I assume you have a newsletter.

*blink*
 
2012-10-14 07:01:33 PM  
After Romney is elected, I hope he shuts that whole PBS network and all it's crappy programming down. Good riddance.
 
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