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2012-10-13 02:43:37 PM  
One million people with a hand up their ass to visit city full of people with head up their ass. This could get interesting...or maybe even kinky.
 
2012-10-13 02:45:40 PM  

Whodat: If PBS can't live of the licensing of the Sesame Street characters etc. they have horrible business sense. BTW, Caroll Spinney makes about $314000 a year. Big Bird is very close to being a "1%er".


Top 25%, if I remember correctly.

And PBS doesn't own Big Bird or Sesame Street; they're owned by an independent non-profit called the Children's Television Workshop, who (in good capitalist fashion) sell the program to PBS.
 
2012-10-13 02:47:20 PM  

coco ebert:

I understand that, but what has been the long-term effect of such a protest? It didn't spark a movement, it didn't help make politics more level-headed (wasn't that the broader critique?)- ok, I guess it was just an opportunity to have fun. I guess that's cool, but it's so hard to get feet on the ground, I wish we were out there protesting austerity, the militarization of our police force, our f*cked-up foreign policy, or widespread attempts to disenfranchise voters, but I'm just a libtard anyway, what do I know...


The 60s-70s era of "movements" has gone, and as a culture we seem to have lost the patience and sense of purpose to create and maintain a unified front that strives to change policies using grassroots support. These days, we seem to expect that (in order to be taken seriously) a movement must strive to become an political party that competes with (or supports one of) the Dem and Repub parties.

Part of the reason OWS fell apart was that people expected them to behave like a political party rather than just a group of people trying to create awareness of corruption between Wall Street and the government. Instead of hammering our elected officials about the issues OWS raised, we hammered OWS for not presenting us with a leader (candidate for office), a party platform, detailed plans for correcting the situation, etc.
 
2012-10-13 02:49:25 PM  
 
jvl
2012-10-13 02:50:44 PM  
Without Government funding, how will my local PBS station afford to make programs by Deepak Chopra that explain how the universe really works?
 
2012-10-13 03:03:41 PM  
There isn't enough television. The gov't needs to subsidize it.
 
2012-10-13 03:08:13 PM  
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): Compete in the open market like everyone else or go off the air.

It's that simple.


Yes, down with Nova, we need more Honey Boo Boo.

Remember, boys and girls:

* $450 million for the CPB: zOMG SOOOOOOOOCIALISM!

* Unlimited funds to blow schitt up in Iran: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
 
2012-10-13 03:10:20 PM  

Diogenes: It obscures the larger issue that you can't pay for his tax plan by fishing through the national couch cushions for loose change.


Bust way I have ever heard this described. I am going to start using this.
 
2012-10-13 03:10:51 PM  
I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department. We could put an American on Mars if NASA had 5% of the money we borrowed and threw away in the Middle East.
 
2012-10-13 03:11:04 PM  

Elephantman: derp


1) It was your guy who brought up Big Bird.

2) Yes, we should bomb the schitt out of Libya. Why should The Terraists® have all the enemies there?
 
2012-10-13 03:14:16 PM  
The only thing government should spend money on is bombing people overseas. It's what Jesus would want.
 
2012-10-13 03:17:01 PM  

LargeCanine: There isn't enough television. The gov't needs to subsidize it.


The more PBS has to beg for money in the open market, the worse their programming gets. There's no way in hell they'd let Carl Sagan or Julia Childs on the air today, as neither of them had "marketable personalities". There's no way in hell they'd show Monty Python or Fawltey Towers, as they're not mainstream.

/longs for the PBS of my youth, back when they were weird
//ends up watching a lot of programming from the BBC.
 
2012-10-13 03:21:06 PM  

gimmegimme: I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department.


Obama tried to keep us in Iraq past the end of the treaty Bush negotiated for total withdrawal

He has kept us in Afghanistan (we've been there for over a decade now) as well.

The Democrats continued to fund the wars when they had nearly complete control of Congress.

If the Democrats wanted to end the wars, they have had every opportunity to do so.

They don't want to. This was the last election cycle's concern troll. Just as Gitmo was.

Both parties favor profitable, profitable endless war. If you do not, then vote third party.
 
2012-10-13 03:22:40 PM  

BullBearMS: gimmegimme: I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department.

Obama tried to keep us in Iraq past the end of the treaty Bush negotiated for total withdrawal

He has kept us in Afghanistan (we've been there for over a decade now) as well.

The Democrats continued to fund the wars when they had nearly complete control of Congress.

If the Democrats wanted to end the wars, they have had every opportunity to do so.

They don't want to. This was the last election cycle's concern troll. Just as Gitmo was.

Both parties favor profitable, profitable endless war. If you do not, then vote third party.


When, pray tell, did Democrats have free reign? Please point out where in the Constitution it states that 60 votes are necessary to pass legislation.
 
2012-10-13 03:22:45 PM  
Faux news reports after the event that there was no where near 1 million Muppets. As the registrar of Muppets shows there is only 1500 Muppets in existence. Any more and its obviously a conspiracy, or they cloned them!?!?! Thats why there was so many Kermits!!!!
Its like Santa Claus in the malls. He was sitting for pics at the north end, then you see him at the south end sitting for pics, so you run back t the other end and hes there too. At home we have no chimney, so does he come down the sewer vent pipe?
Barbie has no job but has millions of dollars in stuff, so did she write a book or run for vice president to get the money for all that stuff? Ken has no penis so why does barbie keep him around? If he can't procreate, he need to be disposed of now!

/All this and more on Faux and Friends. The show that treats its viewers as per their intelligence quotient. Even a two year old doesn't shiat on their ice cream and eat it like its chocolate covered ice cream.
 
2012-10-13 03:25:41 PM  

BullBearMS: theMightyRegeya: BullBearMS: Well, yes. It's certainly not important to protest against the decade old endless war in Afghanistan or bullshiat like this:

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.

Please tell me you don't think Romney would end that.

Romney didn't promise to put an end to the practice of throwing people into military prisons like Gitmo forever without a trial.

Obama did.

Repeatedly.


Uhh.... what about Georgie Bush? Oh that's right, you completely ignore the many times he violated the Constitution and the Geneva Convention.
 
2012-10-13 03:25:51 PM  
Democrats and muppets, two groups equally used to having somebody's arm up their asses controlling their every movement.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-13 03:28:55 PM  

randomjsa: Compete in the open market like everyone else or go off the air.

It's that simple.


I hate knowing my kids will grow up in a world where they will have to contend with people like you. You offer nothing of substance or value to anything or anyone. You spew stupid wherever and whenever possible. Consider me trolled, because every time I see you out here, I get angry. Shove whatever response you might have up your free marketed ass.
 
2012-10-13 03:29:34 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't care who you vote for - but I honestly do question the value of government funding going to something like PBS.

If people really love crap that is on PBS then it doesn't need government funding. People will support it or they'll sell ads or do whatever else.
If people don't really love crap that is on PBS that we shouldn't waste government funding on it.

I know, I know, there are lots of things more serious on the budget than this; but that doesn't change my opinion on it. Guys are making 300k a year to move their hands inside a puppet. That may or may not be a fair wage for such things; but I sure as don't see any need to fund it with public dollars. Let the market decide.

I went overseas and saw the crap they produce here with funds extorted from people with the 'TV License Tax'. Absolute crap TV with the crappy publicly funded actors making many, many times the normal wage. If they're really worth that amount of money there is no need to forcefully collect it from tax payers.

There are ENDLESS numbers of TV shows for children that are also educational that are don't funded with tax payer dollars.
It's a waste.


Right.....except for those kids who live in houses where they can't AFFORD cable......

And PBS isn't just kids shows, they also do a lot to introduce the arts.
 
2012-10-13 03:30:03 PM  

OscarTamerz: Democrats and muppets, two groups equally used to having somebody's arm up their asses controlling their every movement.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x295]


I thought cons were mad that left-wing folks are radicals who are on their own in the American ideological ecosystem.
 
2012-10-13 03:30:18 PM  

Whodat: If PBS can't live of the licensing of the Sesame Street characters etc. they have horrible business sense. BTW, Caroll Spinney makes about $314000 a year. Big Bird is very close to being a "1%er".


You have no idea how much it costs to produce a television series do you?
 
2012-10-13 03:30:49 PM  

gimmegimme: BullBearMS: gimmegimme: I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department.

Obama tried to keep us in Iraq past the end of the treaty Bush negotiated for total withdrawal

He has kept us in Afghanistan (we've been there for over a decade now) as well.

The Democrats continued to fund the wars when they had nearly complete control of Congress.

If the Democrats wanted to end the wars, they have had every opportunity to do so.

They don't want to. This was the last election cycle's concern troll. Just as Gitmo was.

Both parties favor profitable, profitable endless war. If you do not, then vote third party.

When, pray tell, did Democrats have free reign? Please point out where in the Constitution it states that 60 votes are necessary to pass legislation.


Are you telling me that 59 Democrats in the Senate can't block funding for the wars?
 
2012-10-13 03:35:00 PM  

legion_of_doo: Romney might kill Sesame Street, but Obama already killed NASA.


Oh, yeah, NASA's really suffering right now. 0.5% of the federal budget (down by about 1 tenth of a percent from 2001) and mean old Obama refocused it for things like Mars exploration and the Orion MPCV. Just look at the team at NASA Jet Propulsion laboratory. They are obviously miserable.

www.csmonitor.com

F*cking ZeroFartBongo, that traitor.
 
2012-10-13 03:35:04 PM  

BullBearMS: gimmegimme: BullBearMS: gimmegimme: I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department.

Obama tried to keep us in Iraq past the end of the treaty Bush negotiated for total withdrawal

He has kept us in Afghanistan (we've been there for over a decade now) as well.

The Democrats continued to fund the wars when they had nearly complete control of Congress.

If the Democrats wanted to end the wars, they have had every opportunity to do so.

They don't want to. This was the last election cycle's concern troll. Just as Gitmo was.

Both parties favor profitable, profitable endless war. If you do not, then vote third party.

When, pray tell, did Democrats have free reign? Please point out where in the Constitution it states that 60 votes are necessary to pass legislation.

Are you telling me that 59 Democrats in the Senate can't block funding for the wars?


I'd answer your question but Senator Vitter is filibustering. (I'm guessing he's getting some late-afternoon delight.)
 
2012-10-13 03:36:26 PM  

OscarTamerz: Democrats and muppets, two groups equally used to having somebody's arm up their asses controlling their every movement.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x295]


What is it with you guys and fisting?
 
2012-10-13 03:36:42 PM  

Obama4Life: BullBearMS: theMightyRegeya: BullBearMS: Well, yes. It's certainly not important to protest against the decade old endless war in Afghanistan or bullshiat like this:

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.

Please tell me you don't think Romney would end that.

Romney didn't promise to put an end to the practice of throwing people into military prisons like Gitmo forever without a trial.

Obama did.

Repeatedly.

Uhh.... what about Georgie Bush? Oh that's right, you completely ignore the many times he violated the Constitution and the Geneva Convention.


So it was bad when Bush did it?

Stop making all liberals look like complete farking retards.

Something is either good or bad regardless of who does it.

Obama is as much a lying ass flip flopper as Romney. He ran for office promising to put an end to this indefinite detention bullshiat.

Now that he's in office, he's once again fighting for it.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-10-13 03:36:59 PM  
If they use Louis Farrakhan's concept of "Million Man March" to count the crowd, then only about a dozen people need attend.
 
2012-10-13 03:40:31 PM  

wambu: If they use Louis Farrakhan's concept of "Million Man March" to count the crowd, then only about a dozen people need attend.


You're saying the Tea Party adopted Farrakhan's counting methodology?
 
2012-10-13 03:46:01 PM  

gimmegimme: BullBearMS: gimmegimme: BullBearMS: gimmegimme: I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department.

Obama tried to keep us in Iraq past the end of the treaty Bush negotiated for total withdrawal

He has kept us in Afghanistan (we've been there for over a decade now) as well.

The Democrats continued to fund the wars when they had nearly complete control of Congress.

If the Democrats wanted to end the wars, they have had every opportunity to do so.

They don't want to. This was the last election cycle's concern troll. Just as Gitmo was.

Both parties favor profitable, profitable endless war. If you do not, then vote third party.

When, pray tell, did Democrats have free reign? Please point out where in the Constitution it states that 60 votes are necessary to pass legislation.

Are you telling me that 59 Democrats in the Senate can't block funding for the wars?

I'd answer your question but Senator Vitter is filibustering. (I'm guessing he's getting some late-afternoon delight.)


The answer to the question is that there was indeed nothing that could have stopped the Democrats from cutting off funding for the war.

The problem is that they don't want to, not that they can't.
 
2012-10-13 03:48:04 PM  

BullBearMS: gimmegimme: BullBearMS: gimmegimme: BullBearMS: gimmegimme: I do think this is an important issue. The Republicans want to eliminate very very very small parts of the federal budget that benefit everyone and massively expand the Defense Department.

Obama tried to keep us in Iraq past the end of the treaty Bush negotiated for total withdrawal

He has kept us in Afghanistan (we've been there for over a decade now) as well.

The Democrats continued to fund the wars when they had nearly complete control of Congress.

If the Democrats wanted to end the wars, they have had every opportunity to do so.

They don't want to. This was the last election cycle's concern troll. Just as Gitmo was.

Both parties favor profitable, profitable endless war. If you do not, then vote third party.

When, pray tell, did Democrats have free reign? Please point out where in the Constitution it states that 60 votes are necessary to pass legislation.

Are you telling me that 59 Democrats in the Senate can't block funding for the wars?

I'd answer your question but Senator Vitter is filibustering. (I'm guessing he's getting some late-afternoon delight.)

The answer to the question is that there was indeed nothing that could have stopped the Democrats from cutting off funding for the war.

The problem is that they don't want to, not that they can't.


BSABSVR is what you're advocating. If you see a guy with a gunshot wound and a hangnail, which one do you handle first?
 
2012-10-13 03:55:08 PM  

gimmegimme: BSABSVR is what you're advocating.


No. No it's not.

Both parties favor endless war. I do not.

Both parties favor protecting the fraudulent bankers who destroyed the economy. I do not.

Both parties favor the free trade agreements that have allowed the obscenely wealthy to move the manufacturing jobs to nations where they can pay slave labor wages and ignore environmental regulations without a financial penalty when they bring those goods back into the US. I do not.

Both parties favor the retarded drug war. I do not.

Both sides are bad, so stop voting for both of them.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-10-13 03:59:18 PM  
"$45 million in merchandising during 2010 split between the Television Workshop and Henson productions."


"The Sesame Workshop hasn't always collected so much revenue from the merchandising of its characters. The show was created using Jim Henson's Muppets, and through the 1990s money the sales of Sesame Street dolls, playsets, and other toys was split with the Jim Henson Company and a German media group called EM.TV. Then in December 2000 the Sesame Workshop acquired the rights to Oscar the Grouch, Cookie Monster, and the other Sesame Street Muppets for $180 million. International licensing has also grown in recent years, especially as the show has gone global with shows like Plaza Sésamo (in Latin America), Sesamstrasse (in Germany), and Takalani Sesame (in South Africa). When The Sesame Workshop's revenue grew by 4 percent in 2005, the New York Times noted that this was "primarily because of new income from international licensing." "
 
2012-10-13 04:08:36 PM  

smitty04: "Four years ago, President Obama said that if you don't have a record to run on, 'you make a big election about small things.' With 23 million people struggling for work, incomes falling, and gas prices soaring, Americans deserve more from their president."


I was told under Bush that the President has no control over gas prices.
 
2012-10-13 04:08:59 PM  

hbk72777: "$45 million in merchandising during 2010 split between the Television Workshop and Henson productions."


"The Sesame Workshop hasn't always collected so much revenue from the merchandising of its characters. The show was created using Jim Henson's Muppets, and through the 1990s money the sales of Sesame Street dolls, playsets, and other toys was split with the Jim Henson Company and a German media group called EM.TV. Then in December 2000 the Sesame Workshop acquired the rights to Oscar the Grouch, Cookie Monster, and the other Sesame Street Muppets for $180 million. International licensing has also grown in recent years, especially as the show has gone global with shows like Plaza Sésamo (in Latin America), Sesamstrasse (in Germany), and Takalani Sesame (in South Africa). When The Sesame Workshop's revenue grew by 4 percent in 2005, the New York Times noted that this was "primarily because of new income from international licensing." "


And the operating expenses for the show are $133 million.
 
2012-10-13 04:16:50 PM  

gimmegimme: OscarTamerz: Democrats and muppets, two groups equally used to having somebody's arm up their asses controlling their every movement.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x295]

I thought cons were mad that left-wing folks are radicals who are on their own in the American ideological ecosystem.


Cons say that their opponents are both sides of an extreme so they can work up the rage and hate to live their daily lives.

BullBearMS: gimmegimme: BSABSVR is what you're advocating.

No. No it's not.

Both parties favor endless war. I do not.

Both parties favor protecting the fraudulent bankers who destroyed the economy. I do not.

Both parties favor the free trade agreements that have allowed the obscenely wealthy to move the manufacturing jobs to nations where they can pay slave labor wages and ignore environmental regulations without a financial penalty when they bring those goods back into the US. I do not.

Both parties favor the retarded drug war. I do not.

Both sides are bad, so stop voting for both of them.

[dl.dropbox.com image 515x320]


It must be fun being a self-proclaimed Libertarian who's so afraid and paranoid of everything. At least Democrats aren't the ones trying to turn America into a misogynist, homophobic, ignorant, rich-man's-paradise, Christian theocracy that declares war at Israel's beckon call. The economy and job growth have risen slowly and steadily for the last 3,5 years ("It could go faster!" you may say, but it was the second-worst recession and the Republicans fought every attempt to fix it because they consider making Obama a one-term president more important). We're actually trying to get out of the conflicts.

I've also noticed that Libertarians always scream about how evil everyone else is, yet they rarely give suggestions for anything and if they do they're the same as one side or the other's plans.
 
2012-10-13 04:18:34 PM  

BullBearMS: Well, yes. It's certainly not important to protest against the decade old endless war in Afghanistan or bullshiat like this:

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.


bmihura: Just balance the budget and lower the United States national debt, Democrats and/or Republicans. Enough on this big bird and gay marriage trivia.

Oh, you can't, especially since 2008?

Let's try the Libertarian approach, since the Democrats and Republicans have joined forces to tank the economy.



Big Bird! Elmo! Tavis Smiley! Terry Gross! The other party is trying to take money and pharmaceuticals and podiatrist office visits away from seniors! Democrats are trying to kill all of our foreign ambassadors! Republicans are rapists and want to kill all women! Cookie Monster!111111111111
 
2012-10-13 04:20:16 PM  

vpb: [blogs.denverpost.com image 495x359] 

It certainly symbolizes what he thinks about education and spending money to help the non-wealthy.


I wonder if sesame street can just sell their shows on the regular airwaves? It seem like the
feds simply pay for sesame street and then some other guy gets to collect all the big bird animal sales.
 
2012-10-13 04:22:42 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: vpb: [blogs.denverpost.com image 495x359] 

It certainly symbolizes what he thinks about education and spending money to help the non-wealthy.

I wonder if sesame street can just sell their shows on the regular airwaves? It seem like the
feds simply pay for sesame street and then some other guy gets to collect all the big bird animal sales.


Not really. Their merchandising doesn't cover all of the operating expenses.
 
2012-10-13 04:24:54 PM  
I see about five different Romney shills going for the "hand up ass" joke. Marching orders must have been sent down from Fox News already.
 
2012-10-13 04:29:20 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: vpb: [blogs.denverpost.com image 495x359] 

It certainly symbolizes what he thinks about education and spending money to help the non-wealthy.

I wonder if sesame street can just sell their shows on the regular airwaves? It seem like the
feds simply pay for sesame street and then some other guy gets to collect all the big bird animal sales.


What you're describing is the United States corn market.
 
2012-10-13 04:31:03 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I see about five different Romney shills going for the "hand up ass" joke. Marching orders must have been sent down from Fox News already.


media.nj.com

WHEN CONFRONTED WITH TROUBLING FACTS,
TALK ABOUT HOW THEY FIST ASSHOLES TO MAKE EACH OTHER TALK AND MOVE.
 

Cunning plan.
 
2012-10-13 04:32:02 PM  

BullBearMS: gimmegimme: BSABSVR is what you're advocating.

No. No it's not.

Both parties favor endless war. I do not.

Both parties favor protecting the fraudulent bankers who destroyed the economy. I do not.

Both parties favor the free trade agreements that have allowed the obscenely wealthy to move the manufacturing jobs to nations where they can pay slave labor wages and ignore environmental regulations without a financial penalty when they bring those goods back into the US. I do not.

Both parties favor the retarded drug war. I do not.

Both sides are bad, so stop voting for both of them.

[dl.dropbox.com image 515x320]


You're not going to accomplish anything by just sitting around and biatching how everyone isn't as cool and smart as you are politically.

DO SOMETHING!
 
2012-10-13 04:38:00 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I see about five different Romney shills going for the "hand up ass" joke. Marching orders must have been sent down from Fox News already.


The right is obsessed with asses and the doing of things to them.
 
2012-10-13 04:45:28 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: It must be fun being a self-proclaimed Libertarian who's so afraid and paranoid of everything.


Apparently, it was fun to spend the last election cycle concern trolling about the Bushian evils of Indefinite Detention, Spying on Americans, and Endless Wars.

Only to defend all of them this year since Obama has not only continued them, but has cranked them all up to eleven.

However, this year's concern troll seems to be Big Bird, although let's take a look at what Obama's bipartisan deficit commission said it wanted to cut.

The goals of reform, as Mr. Bowles and Mr. Simpson see them, are presented in the form of seven bullet points. "Lower Rates" is the first point; "Reduce the Deficit" is the seventh.

So how, exactly, did a deficit-cutting commission become a commission whose first priority is cutting tax rates, with deficit reduction literally at the bottom of the list?

Actually, though, what the co-chairmen are proposing is a mixture of tax cuts and tax increases - tax cuts for the wealthy, tax increases for the middle class. They suggest eliminating tax breaks that, whatever you think of them, matter a lot to middle-class Americans - the deductibility of health benefits and mortgage interest - and using much of the revenue gained thereby, not to reduce the deficit, but to allow sharp reductions in both the top marginal tax rate and in the corporate tax rate.

It will take time to crunch the numbers here, but this proposal clearly represents a major transfer of income upward, from the middle class to a small minority of wealthy Americans. And what does any of this have to do with deficit reduction?

Let's turn next to Social Security. There were rumors beforehand that the commission would recommend a rise in the retirement age, and sure enough, that's what Mr. Bowles and Mr. Simpson do. They want the age at which Social Security becomes available to rise along with average life expectancy. Is that reasonable?

The answer is no, for a number of reasons - including the point that working until you're 69, which may sound doable for people with desk jobs, is a lot harder for the many Americans who still do physical labor.

But beyond that, the proposal seemingly ignores a crucial point: while average life expectancy is indeed rising, it's doing so mainly for high earners, precisely the people who need Social Security least. Life expectancy in the bottom half of the income distribution has barely inched up over the past three decades. So the Bowles-Simpson proposal is basically saying that janitors should be forced to work longer because these days corporate lawyers live to a ripe old age.

Under the guise of facing our fiscal problems, Mr. Bowles and Mr. Simpson are trying to smuggle in the same old, same old - tax cuts for the rich and erosion of the social safety net.


So yea, killing the mortgage deduction, raising the retirement age, and then using the money saved to reduce taxes on the rich is the bipartisan consensus.

Why not keep voting for those assholes forever?

Maybe they can get the taxes for the rich down to zero if they really try.
 
2012-10-13 04:50:22 PM  
This is pretty ironic, considering that Big Bird is one of the 1%.
 
2012-10-13 04:55:52 PM  
Time to reschedule the annual Muppet Hunt.
 
2012-10-13 04:56:48 PM  

Obama4Life: Actually, it's one of the very few channels worth the funding... that and NPR.


How much do you send to PBS and NPR every year? 

Because if the answer is none, i can tell you about a program that i would like to use your tax dollars to provide firearms for poor unfortunate people that cannot buy their own.
 
2012-10-13 04:57:11 PM  

BullBearMS: Keizer_Ghidorah: It must be fun being a self-proclaimed Libertarian who's so afraid and paranoid of everything.

Apparently, it was fun to spend the last election cycle concern trolling about the Bushian evils of Indefinite Detention, Spying on Americans, and Endless Wars.

Only to defend all of them this year since Obama has not only continued them, but has cranked them all up to eleven.

However, this year's concern troll seems to be Big Bird, although let's take a look at what Obama's bipartisan deficit commission said it wanted to cut.

The goals of reform, as Mr. Bowles and Mr. Simpson see them, are presented in the form of seven bullet points. "Lower Rates" is the first point; "Reduce the Deficit" is the seventh.

So how, exactly, did a deficit-cutting commission become a commission whose first priority is cutting tax rates, with deficit reduction literally at the bottom of the list?

Actually, though, what the co-chairmen are proposing is a mixture of tax cuts and tax increases - tax cuts for the wealthy, tax increases for the middle class. They suggest eliminating tax breaks that, whatever you think of them, matter a lot to middle-class Americans - the deductibility of health benefits and mortgage interest - and using much of the revenue gained thereby, not to reduce the deficit, but to allow sharp reductions in both the top marginal tax rate and in the corporate tax rate.

It will take time to crunch the numbers here, but this proposal clearly represents a major transfer of income upward, from the middle class to a small minority of wealthy Americans. And what does any of this have to do with deficit reduction?

Let's turn next to Social Security. There were rumors beforehand that the commission would recommend a rise in the retirement age, and sure enough, that's what Mr. Bowles and Mr. Simpson do. They want the age at which Social Security becomes available to rise along with average life expectancy. Is that reasonable?

The answer is no, for a number of ...


Not sure how Obama has "hiked them all up to eleven", considering it's Romney who wants tax cuts on the rich and increases on the middle-class, and I've yet to hear of anything involving the Patriot Act under Obama. Obama's tried to do things like close Gitmo and get the economy and job situation fixed faster, but the right's done everything they can to stall and stop.

But I can see how it's much easier to just scream "both sides are bad!" and just give up.
 
2012-10-13 04:58:25 PM  

ideamaster: Obama4Life: Actually, it's one of the very few channels worth the funding... that and NPR.

How much do you send to PBS and NPR every year? 

Because if the answer is none, i can tell you about a program that i would like to use your tax dollars to provide firearms for poor unfortunate people that cannot buy their own.


Guns for Toddlers?
 
2012-10-13 04:58:51 PM  

jjorsett: This is pretty ironic, considering that Big Bird is one of the 1%.


I hate to tell you this but Big Bird is a factional character.
 
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