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(Ars Technica)   Apparently, it's illegal to post song lyrics on the internet, as a website featuring song lyrics has been sued for $6.6 million because they posted lyrics to TLC's Waterfalls and 528 other songs   (arstechnica.com) divider line 18
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9484 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Oct 2012 at 5:34 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-10-13 12:26:15 AM
8 votes:
This actually doesn't sound as ominous as it seems at first glance. A few things:

1) The defendant apparently didn't like to show up to hearings and such on time, or at all. That's a great way to piss off a judge.

2) This is a default judgement, based on the above shenanigans as well as the string of lawyers the guy went through, delay after delay after delay, etc. Default judgements can be used as a precedent, but it wouldn't be a very solid precedent. Another case that swings the other way could easily undo that.

3) This was not a case of someone just posting lyrics online out of the kindness of their heart. This was a website based entirely around posting lyrics and then getting advertising revenue based on clicks/views from people looking up those lyrics. If you're making money off of copyrighted material as directly as that, you have to pay the license fee for that copyrighted material. It's that simple.

If the RIAA starts trying to use this lawsuit to stop people from putting song lyrics on their Facebook pages, then yeah, they're crossing the line. Suing some absentee asshat for making money from other people's work, providing no original content of their own... yeah, not shedding any tears here.
2012-10-12 11:24:24 PM
8 votes:
Really?

I mean, I know songs are copyrighted, but you have to kind of think that posting the lyrics might actually help sell the freakin tunes in the first place.
2012-10-12 10:09:51 PM
4 votes:
Subby didn't know that lyrics are protected by copyright. Let's point at him and laugh!
2012-10-13 06:53:26 AM
2 votes:
From TFA

"A typical license for a lyrics site involves paying 50 percent of revenue to music publishers and songwriters. This payment is based on the number of views particular songs get, so writers of hit songs will tend to earn the majority of that income."

Is anyone seriously arguing that when you actually generate revenue from reproducing someone else's work, they aren't entitled to a cut?

Anti-copyright absolutists are very happy for everyone but the creator to make a buck out of the creator's work.
2012-10-13 06:06:53 AM
2 votes:
I applaud this judgment

If I need the lyrics to a popular song, I do what any right thinking person would do
I go down to my local gramophone record store and pay my tuppence farthing for a song sheet which has been properly authorized by the composer and lyricist.. This has the added benefit that the tune is printed along with the lyrics, allowing me to jauntily whistle the correct melody while waiting for the omnibus to take me back to my home.

Yrs Sincerely
Colonel Sr. Henry Walker-Smyth (Mrs)
2012-10-13 12:35:24 AM
2 votes:
Back when my daughter was in grade school, she copied down the lyrics to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" off some program on VH1 and was selling copies at $2 a pop to her fellow students. I think she raked in something like $20 or so.

While I was kind of proud of her capitalistic initiative, I was amazed at just how farking dumb her classmates were that they paid that kind of money when they could have either got it for themselves like my daughter did or went together to buy just one copy and then share it.
2012-10-13 11:34:29 AM
1 votes:
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday dear (insert name here).
Happy birthday to you.


Come at me bro.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-13 10:41:29 AM
1 votes:

Google found me this series from 1996 about guitar archives being shut down: http://partners.nytimes.com/library/cyber/mirapaul/0530mirapaul.html , http://partners.nytimes.com/library/cyber/mirapaul/0606mirapaul.html .

The University of Nevada at Las Vegas permanently pulled the plug on the central OLGA site on April 25 [1996], after suspending it in early February to review assertions by EMI Music Publishing that some of the tablatures electronically available there were an unlicensed usage of the company's songs.
2012-10-13 08:31:55 AM
1 votes:
Once in a while
Maybe you will feel the urge.
To break international copyright law
By downloading mp3s
From file sharing sites
Like morpheus or grokster or limewire or kazza.
But deep in your Heart.
You know the guilt would drive you mad
And the shame would leave a permanent scar
Cause you start out stealing songs
Then you're robbing liquor stores
And selling Crack
And running over school kids with your car

[Chorus]
So Don't Download This Song
The record store is where you belong
Go and buy the CD like you know that you should
Oh Don't Download This Song

Oh you don't want to mess
With the RIAA
They'll sue you if you burn that Cdr.
It doesn't matter if you're a grandma
Or a seven year old girl
They'll treat you like the evil Hard-bitten criminal scum you are

[Chorus]
So Don't Download This Song (don't go)
Pirating music all day long
Go and buy the CD like you know that you should
Oh Don't Download This Song

Don't take away money
From artists just like me
How else can I afford another solid gold Humvee
And diamond studded swimming pools
These things don't grow on trees
So all I ask is everybody Pleaseeeeee

[Chorus]
Don't Download This Song (Don't do it No No)
Even Lars Urlich Know it's wrong (You could just ask him)
Go and buy the CD like you know that you should (You Really Should)
Oh Don't Download This Song

Don't Download This Song (Oh please don't you do it or you)
Might Wind up in Jail like Tommy Chong (Remember Tommy)
Go and buy the CD (Right Now) like you know that you should (Go out and Buy it)
Oh Don't Download This Song.

Don't Download This Song (No no no no no no)
Or you'll burn in hell before to long (And you deserve it)
Go and buy the CD (Just buy it) like you know that you should (You cheap bastard)
2012-10-13 08:14:49 AM
1 votes:
None of this would be necessary if you could understand what they're singing.
2012-10-13 08:00:09 AM
1 votes:
A-well-a, everybody's heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a

A-well-a, everybody's heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody's talking about the bird
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird

Surfin' bird
Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb, aaah

Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa
Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow

Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-oom-oom-oom
Oom-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-a-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Well, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow.


Aw, yeeaaahhh
2012-10-13 07:39:57 AM
1 votes:
From FTA:

A typical license for a lyrics site involves paying 50 percent of revenue to music publishers and songwriters.

And...

The sites that are offshore say, 'I'm immune from suit, so I'm not going to bother taking a license,'" he said. "The intent here was to persuade all the sites based here [in the US] to take licenses, to try to persuade ISPs to tell their customers to be lawful, and to persuade advertisers not to be on these [unlicensed] sites.

While I believe that artists should be compensated for use of their work, trying to glean 50% of the revenue that sites make will lead to offshore sites; the artists will be stiffed completely and any jobs/taxes will benefit other countries.
2012-10-13 07:08:35 AM
1 votes:
Isn't this why Wiki never includes lyrics on song pages?
2012-10-13 06:04:12 AM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com

Let's really put this to the test

/Come at me, Lars
2012-10-13 06:02:04 AM
1 votes:
smadge1:

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air

I begged and pleaded with her the other day
But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way
She gave me a kissin' and she gave me my ticket
I put my Walkman on and said I might as well kick it

First class, yo this is bad,
Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass
Is this what the people of Bel Air livin' like
Hm this might be alright!

I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
License plate said 'Fresh' and had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought now forget it, yo home to Bel Air

I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabbie, yo Holmes smell ya later
Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel Air

/come at me Will


FTFY
2012-10-13 05:45:43 AM
1 votes:
and every year we read about artists not getting their royalties from the companies who have an ages old death grip on the service they are supposed to provide.
2012-10-13 12:47:33 AM
1 votes:

yukichigai: the RIAA


I'd love to see someone challenge the RIAA's ability to have anything to do with any legal proceeding involving copyrights. Especially in this case when you can find out fairly quickly the record labels don't exactly have the copyrights to many lyrics. It's why if you look at liner notes that have lyrics it says "Lyrics printed by permission of....". If the label owned the lyrics, they wouldn't need that.
2012-10-12 10:16:48 PM
1 votes:
Are they going to sue the other 493856740 websites that post lyrics?
 
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