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(Ars Technica)   Apparently, it's illegal to post song lyrics on the internet, as a website featuring song lyrics has been sued for $6.6 million because they posted lyrics to TLC's Waterfalls and 528 other songs   (arstechnica.com) divider line 116
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2012-10-12 10:09:51 PM
Subby didn't know that lyrics are protected by copyright. Let's point at him and laugh!
 
2012-10-12 10:16:48 PM
Are they going to sue the other 493856740 websites that post lyrics?
 
2012-10-12 10:20:31 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-12 10:56:41 PM
This is the song that doesn't end.
Yes, it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...

/come at me, bros
 
2012-10-12 11:00:06 PM
You infringing farks - please stick to the rivers and lakes that you're use to...
 
2012-10-12 11:24:24 PM
Really?

I mean, I know songs are copyrighted, but you have to kind of think that posting the lyrics might actually help sell the freakin tunes in the first place.
 
2012-10-13 12:22:09 AM
Lyrics are copyrightable.

You cannot publish transcripts of recorded events without the copyright holders approval. It just like books
 
2012-10-13 12:24:57 AM

cman: You cannot publish transcripts of recorded events without the copyright holders approval.


Well it's not that cut and dry. Under fair use I could write about the lyrics to any song I want to end this post and there's nothing anyone could do about it.
 
2012-10-13 12:26:15 AM
This actually doesn't sound as ominous as it seems at first glance. A few things:

1) The defendant apparently didn't like to show up to hearings and such on time, or at all. That's a great way to piss off a judge.

2) This is a default judgement, based on the above shenanigans as well as the string of lawyers the guy went through, delay after delay after delay, etc. Default judgements can be used as a precedent, but it wouldn't be a very solid precedent. Another case that swings the other way could easily undo that.

3) This was not a case of someone just posting lyrics online out of the kindness of their heart. This was a website based entirely around posting lyrics and then getting advertising revenue based on clicks/views from people looking up those lyrics. If you're making money off of copyrighted material as directly as that, you have to pay the license fee for that copyrighted material. It's that simple.

If the RIAA starts trying to use this lawsuit to stop people from putting song lyrics on their Facebook pages, then yeah, they're crossing the line. Suing some absentee asshat for making money from other people's work, providing no original content of their own... yeah, not shedding any tears here.
 
2012-10-13 12:35:24 AM
Back when my daughter was in grade school, she copied down the lyrics to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" off some program on VH1 and was selling copies at $2 a pop to her fellow students. I think she raked in something like $20 or so.

While I was kind of proud of her capitalistic initiative, I was amazed at just how farking dumb her classmates were that they paid that kind of money when they could have either got it for themselves like my daughter did or went together to buy just one copy and then share it.
 
2012-10-13 12:47:33 AM

yukichigai: the RIAA


I'd love to see someone challenge the RIAA's ability to have anything to do with any legal proceeding involving copyrights. Especially in this case when you can find out fairly quickly the record labels don't exactly have the copyrights to many lyrics. It's why if you look at liner notes that have lyrics it says "Lyrics printed by permission of....". If the label owned the lyrics, they wouldn't need that.
 
2012-10-13 01:08:21 AM
Greenspan went through a "revolving door" of attorneys, often failed to comply with the court's instructions, and sometimes failed to show up to depositions and key hearings, according to Ross Charap and Paul Fakler, the Arent Fox lawyers representing the music publishers who sued Greenspan.

"He engaged in serial misconduct, and refused to pay the court sanctions," said Fakler. "Towards the end he would show up, and have either a new lawyer, or no lawyer."

That's what ultimately led to the default judgment. The court docket shows Greenspan's last lawyer withdrew from the case in August 2011. The LiveUniverse.com site was taken down around the end of 2010, said Charap.


This is why the case was actually lost.
 
2012-10-13 01:25:42 AM

GAT_00: according to Ross Charap and Paul Fakler, the Arent Fox lawyers representing the music publishers who sued Greenspan.


MSNBC lawyers?
 
2012-10-13 01:35:20 AM
Well isn't it ironic, doncha think?
 
2012-10-13 02:37:42 AM

WhyteRaven74: cman: You cannot publish transcripts of recorded events without the copyright holders approval.

Well it's not that cut and dry. Under fair use I could write about the lyrics to any song I want to end this post and there's nothing anyone could do about it.


imgarchive.info
 
2012-10-13 05:17:12 AM
867-5309
 
2012-10-13 05:29:01 AM
Now let me welcome everybody to the wild, wild west
A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness
The track hits ya eardrum like a slug to ya chest
Pack a vest for your Jimmy in the city of sex
We in that sunshine state where that bomb ass hemp be
The state where ya never find a dance floor empty
And pimps be on a mission for them greens
Lean mean money-makin-machines servin fiends
I been in the game for ten years makin rap tunes
Ever since honeys was wearin sassoon
Now it's '95 and they clock me and watch me
Diamonds shinin lookin like I robbed Liberace
It's all good, from Diego to tha Bay
Your city is tha bomb if your city makin pay
Throw up a finger if ya feel the same way
Dre puttin it down for
Californ-I-a

/Come at me, Dre
 
2012-10-13 05:45:02 AM
Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"

I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
License plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air!

I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabby "Yo, homes smell you later!"
Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-air

/come at me Will
 
2012-10-13 05:45:43 AM
and every year we read about artists not getting their royalties from the companies who have an ages old death grip on the service they are supposed to provide.
 
2012-10-13 05:57:15 AM
I remember all my life
Raining down as cold as ice
A shadow of a man
A face through a window
Crying in the night
The night goes into

Morning, just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory
I never realized
How happy you made me, oh Mandy

Well you came and you gave without taking
And I sent you away, oh Mandy
And you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
And I need you today, oh Mandy

I'm standing on the edge of time
Walked away when love was mine
Caught up in a world of uphill climbing
The tears are in my eyes
And nothing is rhyming, oh Mandy

Well you came and you gave without taking
And I sent you away, oh Mandy
And you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
And I need you today, oh Mandy

Yesterday's a dream
Now I face the morning
Crying on the breeze
The pain is calling, oh Mandy

Well you came and you gave without taking
And I sent you away, oh Mandy
And you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
And I need you today, oh Mandy

Well you came and you gave without taking
And I sent you away, oh Mandy
And you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
And I need you today, oh Mandy

/Come at me, Barry
 
2012-10-13 06:01:04 AM
edfgdfgsdfg dfgx dtdrjhjk k hh jjhjh\
jhlj;l]\
ykyiol p gujj ojhi l;\v
\k ko oipipp[poooooyeah
dsdsdgsggg fp
dggdfggdd uuu
/come at me, Bob
 
2012-10-13 06:02:04 AM
smadge1:

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air

I begged and pleaded with her the other day
But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way
She gave me a kissin' and she gave me my ticket
I put my Walkman on and said I might as well kick it

First class, yo this is bad,
Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass
Is this what the people of Bel Air livin' like
Hm this might be alright!

I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
License plate said 'Fresh' and had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought now forget it, yo home to Bel Air

I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabbie, yo Holmes smell ya later
Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel Air

/come at me Will


FTFY
 
2012-10-13 06:04:12 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

Let's really put this to the test

/Come at me, Lars
 
2012-10-13 06:06:53 AM
I applaud this judgment

If I need the lyrics to a popular song, I do what any right thinking person would do
I go down to my local gramophone record store and pay my tuppence farthing for a song sheet which has been properly authorized by the composer and lyricist.. This has the added benefit that the tune is printed along with the lyrics, allowing me to jauntily whistle the correct melody while waiting for the omnibus to take me back to my home.

Yrs Sincerely
Colonel Sr. Henry Walker-Smyth (Mrs)
 
2012-10-13 06:22:02 AM

WhyteRaven74: Under fair use I could write about the lyrics to any song I want to end this post and there's nothing anyone could do about it.


Does "fair use" still exist? I thought it was abolished as part of the DMCA.
 
2012-10-13 06:33:00 AM
We was only askin for a little
just a little bit o respect
workin and dyin in the mine
was our job and we know'd that

but at the end of each day
if we made it that far
and found our way back home
every penny I done made was taken by the company store

Now we's doin more but makin less
and we's dyin right and left
and the widders and chil'un is left alone
to starve in the wilderness

Doncha got no heart?
Doncha even care?
if that's yer way
ya got nothin to say
then we're marchin to Lattimer

The work in the mine is hard allright,
and we got no gripe against that
but ya can't keep cuuttin pay on us
thinkin we wouldn't get mad

maybe ya think we's uppity
that we don't know our place
but we's comin up to Lattimer
We wanna talk with ya face to face

'Cause we doin more but makin less
and we's dyin right and left
and the widders and chil'un is left alone
to starve in the wilderness

Doncha got no heart?
Doncha even care?
if that's yer way
ya got nothin to say
then we're marchin to Lattimer

So we got some boys who think like us
from down the Hazelton way
for the Lattimer we set our sights
400 sang in unity

And the Pardee folks will know our gripe
this is the land of the free
Flying the flag along the way
We have a right to the American dream

'Cause we doin more but makin less
and we's dyin right and left
and the widders and chil'un is left alone
to starve in the wilderness

Doncha got no heart?
Doncha even care?
if that's yer way
ya got nothin to say
then we're marchin to Lattimer

And Sherriff Martin met our folk
not far from Lattimer
he had him 90 deputies
Said boys, you can't go there

So we pled our case on that dusty road
told him we stand firm
We's headin up to Lattimer
so's they could hear our terms

'Cause we doin more but makin less
and we's dyin right and left
and the widders and chil'un is left alone
to starve in the wilderness

Doncha got no heart?
Doncha even care?
if that's yer way
ya got nothin to say
then we're marchin to Lattimer

And the Sherriff hung his head right then
I swear, I heard him sigh
Said "Boys, I can't let that happen"
he grabbed our flag and said "Open fire"

And the blood ran thick as coal tar
19 men lay dead
50 more was wounded
by Sherriff's men that day

doin more but makin less
and we's dyin right and left
and the widders and chil'un is left alone
to starve in the wilderness

Doncha got no heart?
Doncha even care?
if that's yer way
ya got nothin to say
then we're marchin to Lattimer

Come at me, me
 
2012-10-13 06:33:15 AM

furterfan: I applaud this judgment

If I need the lyrics to a popular song, I do what any right thinking person would do
I go down to my local gramophone record store and pay my tuppence farthing for a song sheet which has been properly authorized by the composer and lyricist.. This has the added benefit that the tune is printed along with the lyrics, allowing me to jauntily whistle the correct melody while waiting for the omnibus to take me back to my home.

Yrs Sincerely
Colonel Sr. Henry Walker-Smyth (Mrs)


Dear Editor: I must object to the letter above. I have a number of friends and associates who are lyricists, and only a few of them are transvestites.
Sincerely,
Col. Wilfred Peen, Ret.
 
2012-10-13 06:43:50 AM
I took my love, I took it down
Climbed a mountain and I turned around
And I saw my reflection in the snow covered hills
Till the landslide brought me down

Oh, mirror in the sky, what is love?
Can the child within my heart rise above?
Can I sail through the changing ocean tides?
Can I handle the seasons of my life?
Mmm, mmm, mmm

Well, I've been afraid of changing
'Cause I've built my life around you
But time makes you bolder
Even children get older and I'm getting older too
[ From : http://www.elyrics.net/read/s/stevie-nicks-lyrics/landslide-lyrics.htm l ]

Well, I've been afraid of changing
'Cause I've built my life around you
But time makes you bolder
Even children get older and I'm getting older too
Oh, I'm getting older too

Awh, take my love, take it down
Awh, climb a mountain and turn around
And if you see my reflection in the snow covered hills
Well, the landslide bring it down

And if you see my reflection in the snow covered hills
Well, the landslide bring it down
Oh, the landslide bring it down


Doesn't seem to have have changed anything.
 
2012-10-13 06:53:26 AM
From TFA

"A typical license for a lyrics site involves paying 50 percent of revenue to music publishers and songwriters. This payment is based on the number of views particular songs get, so writers of hit songs will tend to earn the majority of that income."

Is anyone seriously arguing that when you actually generate revenue from reproducing someone else's work, they aren't entitled to a cut?

Anti-copyright absolutists are very happy for everyone but the creator to make a buck out of the creator's work.
 
2012-10-13 06:56:17 AM

jso2897: furterfan: I applaud this judgment

If I need the lyrics to a popular song, I do what any right thinking person would do
I go down to my local gramophone record store and pay my tuppence farthing for a song sheet which has been properly authorized by the composer and lyricist.. This has the added benefit that the tune is printed along with the lyrics, allowing me to jauntily whistle the correct melody while waiting for the omnibus to take me back to my home.

Yrs Sincerely
Colonel Sr. Henry Walker-Smyth (Mrs)

Dear Editor: I must object to the letter above. I have a number of friends and associates who are lyricists, and only a few of them are transvestites.
Sincerely,
Col. Wilfred Peen, Ret.


Dear Editor,

I must object to the letter above objecting to the previous letter. The latter erroneously implies that transvestites have few friends and are incapable of forming lasting relationships with lyricists.

Yours,

Dennis (Don't call me Ducky) Thatcher
 
2012-10-13 07:00:54 AM
His court case was a complete Wipe Out. Now he will be making Minimum Wage. How will he ever afford his Tequila?
 
2012-10-13 07:02:46 AM

jso2897: furterfan: I applaud this judgment

If I need the lyrics to a popular song, I do what any right thinking person would do
I go down to my local gramophone record store and pay my tuppence farthing for a song sheet which has been properly authorized by the composer and lyricist.. This has the added benefit that the tune is printed along with the lyrics, allowing me to jauntily whistle the correct melody while waiting for the omnibus to take me back to my home.

Yrs Sincerely
Colonel Sr. Henry Walker-Smyth (Mrs)

Dear Editor: I must object to the letter above. I have a number of friends and associates who are lyricists, and only a few of them are transvestites.
Sincerely,
Col. Wilfred Peen, Ret.


Dear Publisher: We direct your attention to the above which your editors have seen fit to print in your fine publication. This sort of mindless drivel is a perfect example of how standards have fallen in adult entertainment. We caution you that should remedial action not be taken we shall go elsewhere for our reviews of 'Anal Fisting Teens XXV'.

Elizabeth R.
 
2012-10-13 07:04:54 AM
I walk 47 miles of barbed wire,
I use a cobra-snake for a necktie,
I got a brand new house on the roadside,
Made from rattlesnake hide,
I got a brand new chimney made on top,
Made out of a human skull,
Now come on take a walk with me, Arlene,
And tell me, who do you love?

Who do you love?
Who do you love?
Who do you love?
Who do you love?

/Come at me, Bo
 
2012-10-13 07:05:09 AM
Louie Louie
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
Louie Louie
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
smoke weed everyday
with white wimmins
adabba babba dabba ba
ooe ooe ah ah
Louie Louie

/come at me bro
 
2012-10-13 07:08:35 AM
Isn't this why Wiki never includes lyrics on song pages?
 
2012-10-13 07:18:12 AM

Old Man Winter: Isn't this why Wiki never includes lyrics on song pages?


Pretty much.
 
2012-10-13 07:23:48 AM
Default judgement.
 
2012-10-13 07:26:49 AM
It's unclear how quickly the plaintiffs will be able to collect their money, but Greenspan should be able pay. He was an investor in MySpace who still owned a significant chunk of the company when it was sold to News Corp. for $580 million in 2005.
 
2012-10-13 07:28:26 AM
Deserves to get sued for perpetuating crap.
 
2012-10-13 07:33:15 AM
This thread is awesome. I considered pasting Weird Al's Alternative Polka and typing "come at me, bros, but thought it would be to annoying.
 
2012-10-13 07:33:40 AM
Hold me closer, Tony Danza ...

Come at me, Sir Elton.
 
2012-10-13 07:35:17 AM
Go go Jason Waterfalls
 
2012-10-13 07:39:01 AM

furterfan: I applaud this judgment

If I need the lyrics to a popular song, I do what any right thinking person would do
I go down to my local gramophone record store and pay my tuppence farthing for a song sheet which has been properly authorized by the composer and lyricist.. This has the added benefit that the tune is printed along with the lyrics, allowing me to jauntily whistle the correct melody while waiting for the omnibus to take me back to my home.

Yrs Sincerely
Colonel Sr. Henry Walker-Smyth (Mrs)


Or you could live in the 21st century - email the Hal Leonard company, get a quote for use of the lyrics and go about your business happily and legally.

/Stunned that people think lyrics are less protected than books
//How about poems? Should they be freely available?
 
2012-10-13 07:39:57 AM
From FTA:

A typical license for a lyrics site involves paying 50 percent of revenue to music publishers and songwriters.

And...

The sites that are offshore say, 'I'm immune from suit, so I'm not going to bother taking a license,'" he said. "The intent here was to persuade all the sites based here [in the US] to take licenses, to try to persuade ISPs to tell their customers to be lawful, and to persuade advertisers not to be on these [unlicensed] sites.

While I believe that artists should be compensated for use of their work, trying to glean 50% of the revenue that sites make will lead to offshore sites; the artists will be stiffed completely and any jobs/taxes will benefit other countries.
 
2012-10-13 07:50:36 AM
So it's lyrics, with the song name, attributed to the band in question. Free promotion by word of mouth isn't good enough for these people.

Artists deserve to be getting farked from the sounds of it. We'll all be listening to Indiebot 3000 by the end of the decade while these half talented doorknobs go back to their crack hobby.
 
2012-10-13 07:54:10 AM

cman: Lyrics are copyrightable.

You cannot publish transcripts of recorded events without the copyright holders approval. It just like books


If you merely offer up an explanation of lyrics without reproducing the music, I'd argue that's fair use, depending on whether you're turning a profit. You're not taking away from the market value of the song from the copyright holder - if anything you're enhancing it.

Also, the NFL doesn't actually hold a copyright in a football game. They like to say that they do, and there's no law against saying that, but they could never enforce the description of a football game.
 
2012-10-13 07:56:17 AM
This building approves:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-13 07:58:11 AM
Fuzzle el-al Ohm eh dhow by d'dozen,
Dat ain nuffum but adjusto lubbin'!
Ay little bame lemme litcha canna cuz,
Uh mama ahm show all Dehanenow!
Yessirow!

/Come at me, Black Crowes!
 
2012-10-13 08:00:09 AM
A-well-a, everybody's heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a

A-well-a, everybody's heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody's talking about the bird
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a, bird

Surfin' bird
Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb, aaah

Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa
Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow

Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-oom-oom-oom
Oom-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-a-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Well, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow.


Aw, yeeaaahhh
 
2012-10-13 08:12:30 AM
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