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(Las Vegas Sun)   There's hoarding, then there is 55 cats and 41 tons of trash in your house hoarding   (lasvegassun.com) divider line 68
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2012-10-13 09:48:17 AM  

Obama4Life: namegoeshere: Obama4Life: namegoeshere: BoxOfBees: Ed Grubermann: BoxOfBees:
And hell yes we toss people with mental disorders in jail. When they commit crimes we do.

Yes, but not just BECAUSE they have a disease or disorder. That's our first reaction is to lock them away, then wonder why nobody gets help and just suffers in silence


This man wasn't arrested simply because he has a disease or disorder. He was arrested because he committed crimes. His issues did not just negatively affect him; they involved cruelty to animals and damage to his neighbors' property. He doesn't get a pass for his crimes because he has mental health issues. He's not going to be locked away to rot in prison. He will likely be ordered into treatment, which is a GOOD thing.
 
2012-10-13 09:51:40 AM  
One of my good friends is a hoarder - probably around 25 cats in the house right now plus a crap ton of other stuff. I have know her for 20 years and have never been in that house (not that I am complaining). She is "taking care " of them because no one else wants them; however, the ones I have seen outside always look pretty puny. I would feel sorry for her husband but I guess he feels powerless to stop it...

She admits to it but does not seem to be able to stop it. I realize that it is a mental illness but they have trashed that house (this is from her descriptions and the fact that I can smell it from the yard) and I can't imagine that it would ever be repairable if uit became an option. It makes me sad for all involved.
 
2012-10-13 10:25:29 AM  

KrispyKritter: mom is in her 80's and now in need of constant assistance after seizuring out and putting the Saturn up on someones lawn months ago. sisters & i are cleaning out the home she occupied over 50 years. last weeks trash was thousands of dollars worth of very beyond the expiration date food in cans, bottles and jars.

condiments with NEW on the label that are no longer sold. cans of mystery madness, their labels now black as the contents slowly evaporated while some escaped, leaving the can empty and sticking to a shelf in the basement. jars of chunk mixed fruit that turned into a light grey mess.

like many others in her youth mom was dirt poor and rarely had enough to eat. as an adult she overcompensated by treating her basement like a small grocery store. no matter how much was on the shelves there was never enough.


Mine's the same way. Every room in the house is filled with stockpiles of expired food. She also has some small hoards of gold and coins. No cats, however, and a neighbor lady comes in to clean the place a couple of times a week.
 
2012-10-13 10:30:03 AM  
Re: the cat fanciers license, it's a country law that if you want to own more than three cats or three dogs you have to either be a breeder (think there's some documentation that goes into that, not sure), or you have to get a "fanciers" permit. One of those laws they don't really enforce until there's a complaint at the property.
 
2012-10-13 10:54:36 AM  

corq: whidbey: failure to have a cat fanciers license,

WTF?

One of those situations where a city's current law can't limit your number of pets, but set a threshold that if you have more than X animals of a kind on your property, you're considered a commercial breeder and therefore must have a license. The problem is, this law should have been used as an opportunity earlier intervention before it got this bad.


The 'City' I live adjacent to is working on a law to deal with feral cats (has been for a year, if that tells you anything), and they want to include one of those provisions to stop hoarding. This is according to the local paper. I ask you, since hoarding is basically a mental illness, how is a law going to stop it?

Also they want to require licensing fees for people who already HAVE cats, which is BS. It cost about $500 to get all the shots, neutering, and also hernia surgery for the new guy when we took him in from the neighborhood. I think we paid our dues, thanks. ($500 because local vets are packed, so we had to go to the guy with the opening, and he is EX-PEN-SIVE unfortunately)
 
2012-10-13 11:15:32 AM  
Gah! The worst I've seen is the Hoarders I watched from this week. Lady was shiatting and pissing in a bucket. When the bucket was full, she would ladle shiat and piss into a smaller bucket and toss the waste out on to front lawn. The house was also full of several years' worth of bottles filled with piss and shiat.

AFTA, I will never understand animal hoarding. I find it hard to feel compassion for those folks because I just don't get how you could think that it's okay to let animals live like that. :(
 
2012-10-13 11:39:49 AM  
41 tons? TONS? I'm amazed the house's foundation didn't collapse. I don't think my house would withstand ~15-20 pickup trucks parked in the living room.
 
2012-10-13 01:41:13 PM  
Yay Caturday!
 
2012-10-13 02:19:39 PM  
How has no-one mentioned the new episode of hoarders where the woman hoards thousands of poop/urine filled bottles because her septic has been off for years and some of the bottles contain her dead moms excrement. She also recycles paper bowls and never washes her hands. I won't even get into what she does with buckets. I wish I was joking.
 
2012-10-13 03:59:00 PM  
That really raises several questions. Is it easier to care for a ton of trash or a cat? How much of the trash was actually dead cats? Was any of the trash beginning to come alive?
 
2012-10-13 05:16:27 PM  
And the biggest thing you can do isn't to explain how what a hoarder is doing is wrong. We know that. That's why we become antisocial and hide. You need to reinforce that there will always be more of what we need whenever we need it. Without that fear driving us, we don't collect things "just in case".

So much, THIS. I am a second generation hoarder and am the product of 2 OCD parents-Dad was obsessively clean and Mom started hoarding when they got divorced. Both of my parents have passed away, but I have the strong, strong traits of OCD on the hoarding side. As I have a Kindle, I decided about a year ago that I would get rid of all of my books except the important/reference ones and repurchase what I really wanted to read again, if I did. So, this week, I went thru 8 boxes of books and gave away about 100 or so to a co-worker. The loss of my stuff kept me up until 3 AM and it was awful. To the normies, hoarders are mal-adjusted and weird, but to us, we want our stuff and it's terribly hard to part with and is very traumatizing. I force myself to do it about 2 times every year but it always does a number on me. If anything, I may have transitioned over into an electronic hoarder, but at least I don't deal with lack of space, poor living conditions and infestations as I did when I was growing up, so there is some progress made.
 
2012-10-13 05:25:01 PM  
And then the whole, why would I throw away this plastic fork? It's still good, I can wash it. Or ketchup packets, please don't ever get me around those-I don't eat out much, but every time I do, I have to force myself to walk away and not take whatever is "left-over" unless it is true leftovers that I will eat the next day. Or my Mom's favorite phrase "I can use that." Ack.

I live a life of constant discipline as if I didn't, I'd be buried in trash and would die there. My husband's ex-wife was an animal hoarder, so when I got here, there were upwards of 30 gerbils breeding and in-breeding over and over. We took them to the local shelter. We're still stuck with way too many animals, 3 dogs, 2 cats and a turtle, but that is mainly our leftovers from her. We can and do take care of them, but it's still too much so as they pass they will not be replaced.

/constant battle, this hoarding is
 
2012-10-13 06:18:03 PM  

untaken_name: Buffet: Fat lazy Farks like them should be executed in the town square!

Nah just chain the outside doors. You like it in there so much? Have at it! We'll bulldoze in 6 months. You'll either be dead, out of the house, or grateful for the bulldozers by then. Problem solved.


Good answer!
 
2012-10-13 06:32:26 PM  

Claude Ballse: KrispyKritter: like many others in her youth mom was dirt poor and rarely had enough to eat. as an adult she overcompensated by treating her basement like a small grocery store. no matter how much was on the shelves there was never enough.

THIS! SO VERY GODAMMED THIS!

I'm a 4th generation hoarder that only with the help of my wife was I able to overcome it. It all seems to have started with my great, great grandmother who my father had described symptoms of. There is a whole lot of other psychological aspects to hoarding where you create emotional attachments to the most trivial and useless of things. And it's the psychological aspect that makes worse. But it's that whole fear of starving that starts it all. "Waste not, want not" was the basic family motto that became that whole slippery slope we went down. The fear of starvation leads to the hoarding of food. Once you get that somewhat satisfied, you start hoarding other things as well for fear of not having them. Then out of the guilt is born the emotional bond you construct with items. Feeling sad that you're the only person that wants them.

You might not ever cure hoarding 100%, but there is a great way to stop it that my wife discovered:

Recycling.

From scrap recycling of items so that the material can be made into other objects with a more useful purpose, to donating items to Thrift Stores so that needy people can buy them and put them to good use. You end up being relieved of the burden of caring for all the crap, and may start to even feel guilty that you're taking/keeping it from someone else.

Never tell a hoarder you're throwing something away. Always "recycle" or "repurpose" their things so that they feel better about giving it up. Once that is out of the way, the counseling can begin to prevent this shiat from ever happening again.

And the biggest thing you can do isn't to explain how what a hoarder is doing is wrong. We know that. That's why we become antisocial and hide. You need to reinforce th ...


wow. it was my Dad who hoarded items. he passed on years ago. in his basement repair shop i'm finding old glass jars of nails once used, removed and semi-straightened as if they could possibly be driven into wood again. little bundles of mystery wire, carefully rolled up and ready for re-use in some future home repair that never happened.

i'm glad you mentioned about recycling and repurposing. i will work that right into my vocabulary in front of mom. the entire house has to be emptied for sale so mom can go to a senior center she likes, where she has a few friends. heaven forbid i mention giving something away or throwing something out, she gets quite upset and yells. for a teeny tiny old mad woman in a wheelchair she is still quite full of piss & vinegar!

confession: cleaning out moms jam packed house i finally realized i too am guilty of hoarding. my excuse to Mrs.Kritter has been for years that items have value, they are worth something, and i could sell them. meanwhile my room and my basement are - well, you know. overflowing warehouses of electric guitars, boxes of comic books, stereo equipment, board games, LP's, CD's, DVD's, on and on and on. i only realized this days ago. real eye opener. when i'm done with moms house i'm going to have to have the yard sale from hell. poor Mrs.Kritter. i drive that woman nuts.
 
2012-10-14 02:06:56 AM  
Krispy - if you've got the time on your hands (previous comments have indicated you may) I suggest a basic level ebay store, $16 a month for 30 day listings. Might be worth it and make you more than a yard sale in the long run, if you don't want to shovel it all out at once.
 
2012-10-14 10:02:18 AM  

Haplo127x: How has no-one mentioned the new episode of hoarders where the woman hoards thousands of poop/urine filled bottles because her septic has been off for years and some of the bottles contain her dead moms excrement. She also recycles paper bowls and never washes her hands. I won't even get into what she does with buckets. I wish I was joking.


I am going to leave this here.

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well I like to watch hoarders it makes me want to clean and throw shiat out. oh and it is one show you do not want to see in HD

 
2012-10-14 10:08:53 AM  

KrispyKritter: Claude Ballse: KrispyKritter: heaven forbid i mention giving something away or throwing something out, she gets quite upset and yells. for a teeny tiny old mad woman in a wheelchair she is still quite full of piss & vinegar!

that she keeps in milk jugs right?

 
2012-10-14 10:55:02 AM  

ktybear: Kalashinator: ktybear:

Ha! I have that book. Who knew a cat's asshole was so multipurpose?

I have it too and this one
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so much fun :P


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