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2012-10-12 11:09:48 PM
Holy crap. That's off the deep end.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:40 PM
This makes me feel better about the dirty dishes in my sink.
 
2012-10-13 01:03:29 AM
And kajiggers. Lots of kajiggers.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-13 03:29:05 AM
According to his family, that's the twelfth house he's destroyed!
 
2012-10-13 03:39:25 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-13 03:40:17 AM
failure to have a cat fanciers license,

WTF?
 
2012-10-13 03:40:47 AM
www.7dvt.com
Calls dibs on the dead cats.
 
2012-10-13 03:42:09 AM

whidbey: failure to have a cat fanciers license,

WTF?


Yeah. Came here to post this. I mean, it's bad enough that they make you get government permission to own a farking cat, for cryin' out loud, but then they go and call it a "cat fancier's licence"? That's just adding insult to injury.
 
2012-10-13 03:42:59 AM

ktybear:


Ha! I have that book. Who knew a cat's asshole was so multipurpose?
 
2012-10-13 03:43:02 AM
Was the sick tag on break?
 
2012-10-13 03:43:45 AM

Arcturus72: Was the sick tag on break?


Sounds like it was busy throwing up in the bushes.
 
2012-10-13 03:44:36 AM
mom is in her 80's and now in need of constant assistance after seizuring out and putting the Saturn up on someones lawn months ago. sisters & i are cleaning out the home she occupied over 50 years. last weeks trash was thousands of dollars worth of very beyond the expiration date food in cans, bottles and jars.

condiments with NEW on the label that are no longer sold. cans of mystery madness, their labels now black as the contents slowly evaporated while some escaped, leaving the can empty and sticking to a shelf in the basement. jars of chunk mixed fruit that turned into a light grey mess.

like many others in her youth mom was dirt poor and rarely had enough to eat. as an adult she overcompensated by treating her basement like a small grocery store. no matter how much was on the shelves there was never enough.
 
2012-10-13 03:44:54 AM
Makes you wonder if they used the cat-detector van to detect unlicensed cats.
 
2012-10-13 03:46:55 AM

Kalashinator: ktybear:

Ha! I have that book. Who knew a cat's asshole was so multipurpose?


I have it too and this one
www.productwiki.com

so much fun :P
 
2012-10-13 03:52:26 AM
Epstein was charged Friday with six misdemeanors, including failing to register a pistol, unjustifiable injury to animals, failure to have a cat fanciers license, violating the fire code and two counts of public nuisance.

WTF??!

In a statement, the city of Las Vegas said Epstein was arrested because it was in the best interest of his safety

IANAL, so I want to know if this is the actual grounds for arrest. I'm not disputing that he broke the law, just wondering if there's just cause for detention and psych evaluation. Is he posing a threat to himself or others, or their cats? Perhaps they thought he was unsafe sleeping on his patio? Or maybe that without access to his menagerie of living and dead cats, he had nothing to live for?

/can't believe I'm posing the question, cuz the guy is clearly crazy. 
//do not have a cat fancier's license either. Am I in trouble? I do like the meowers.
 
2012-10-13 03:53:58 AM
I've said it before, and I will say ot again, there needs to be a 54 cat maximum limit.
 
2012-10-13 03:59:44 AM

BoxOfBees: IANAL, so I want to know if this is the actual grounds for arrest. I'm not disputing that he broke the law, just wondering if there's just cause for detention and psych evaluation. Is he posing a threat to himself or others?


Yes. They had to gut his half of a duplex. The drywall and even the window frames were contaminated. He's a health risk to himself and the poor bastards living on the other side of the duplex. All that rotting waste is going to attract a lot of vermin. The neighbors might not have 30+ cats to kill them all.
 
2012-10-13 04:04:20 AM

KrispyKritter: like many others in her youth mom was dirt poor and rarely had enough to eat. as an adult she overcompensated by treating her basement like a small grocery store. no matter how much was on the shelves there was never enough.


THIS! SO VERY GODAMMED THIS!

I'm a 4th generation hoarder that only with the help of my wife was I able to overcome it. It all seems to have started with my great, great grandmother who my father had described symptoms of. There is a whole lot of other psychological aspects to hoarding where you create emotional attachments to the most trivial and useless of things. And it's the psychological aspect that makes worse. But it's that whole fear of starving that starts it all. "Waste not, want not" was the basic family motto that became that whole slippery slope we went down. The fear of starvation leads to the hoarding of food. Once you get that somewhat satisfied, you start hoarding other things as well for fear of not having them. Then out of the guilt is born the emotional bond you construct with items. Feeling sad that you're the only person that wants them.

You might not ever cure hoarding 100%, but there is a great way to stop it that my wife discovered:

Recycling.

From scrap recycling of items so that the material can be made into other objects with a more useful purpose, to donating items to Thrift Stores so that needy people can buy them and put them to good use. You end up being relieved of the burden of caring for all the crap, and may start to even feel guilty that you're taking/keeping it from someone else.

Never tell a hoarder you're throwing something away. Always "recycle" or "repurpose" their things so that they feel better about giving it up. Once that is out of the way, the counseling can begin to prevent this shiat from ever happening again.

And the biggest thing you can do isn't to explain how what a hoarder is doing is wrong. We know that. That's why we become antisocial and hide. You need to reinforce that there will always be more of what we need whenever we need it. Without that fear driving us, we don't collect things "just in case".
 
2012-10-13 04:04:35 AM

whidbey: failure to have a cat fanciers license,

WTF?


A lot of places have a limit on how many animals you are legally allowed to have before you have to get a license. Given that fifteen of those cats were dead, I can see why.

I'm betting that he'll fill the place back up with trash in under a year if they allow him to return to the house. That's what most hoarders do when someone comes in and does a forcible clean-out. Suicide is another common reaction to that.

Hoarding is possibly the grossest mental disorder I can think of.
.
 
2012-10-13 04:08:22 AM
As a fancier of investment properties in Las Vegas... I'm getting a kick out of this story.
 
2012-10-13 04:10:36 AM

platedlizard: Given that fifteen of those cats were dead, I can see why.


Wait, so if he had a license, they'd still be alive?
 
2012-10-13 04:11:54 AM

BoxOfBees: Epstein was charged Friday with six misdemeanors, including failing to register a pistol, unjustifiable injury to animals, failure to have a cat fanciers license, violating the fire code and two counts of public nuisance.

WTF??!

In a statement, the city of Las Vegas said Epstein was arrested because it was in the best interest of his safety

IANAL, so I want to know if this is the actual grounds for arrest. I'm not disputing that he broke the law, just wondering if there's just cause for detention and psych evaluation. Is he posing a threat to himself or others, or their cats? Perhaps they thought he was unsafe sleeping on his patio? Or maybe that without access to his menagerie of living and dead cats, he had nothing to live for?

/can't believe I'm posing the question, cuz the guy is clearly crazy. 
//do not have a cat fancier's license either. Am I in trouble? I do like the meowers.


I'm betting that he was interfering with the cleaning, and they charged him with that because it's a lesser charge that would get him locked up just long enough to clean the place out. Hoarding is a serious mental illness that can be very dangerous, at the very least his house was probably a major fire hazard. Also, suicide is a fairly common reaction some hoarders have to forcible clean outs, so they probably wanted to evaluate him.

I think you're probably okay if you don't have 55 cats and you keep up on the litterboxes.
 
2012-10-13 04:14:22 AM

untaken_name: platedlizard: Given that fifteen of those cats were dead, I can see why.

Wait, so if he had a license, they'd still be alive?


Depends on the requirements. If the license required onsite inspections then probably yes. I don't know what they require there, however.
 
2012-10-13 04:16:19 AM

Ed Grubermann: BoxOfBees: Is he posing a threat to himself or others?

Yes. They had to gut his half of a duplex. The drywall and even the window frames were contaminated. He's a health risk to himself and the poor bastards living on the other side of the duplex. All that rotting waste is going to attract a lot of vermin. The neighbors might not have 30+ cats to kill them all.


But from TFA: Epstein's home was declared an uninhabitable health hazard last week and he has been sleeping on the back patio since, even though the city offered him temporary housing.

The cops came on Oct 4th and declared his house uninhabitable, and this wasn't a problem for the next week, until Oct 11? I guess the reason I'm asking is that I doubt that any of the charges normally warrant arrest, and they didn't arrest him a week ago, just left him sleeping on the patio. What has changed? The article states that the city of Las Vegas said they arrested him for his safety. What safety? I'm sure this guy has some problems to solve, but as an advocate for freedom, I want to make sure that cities can't just go around locking people up "for their safety." As in "hey we just found a few hundred middle-easternish-looking people in our town and decided to lock them up for their safety. I mean, they had some parking tickets and unfurled their prayer mats without a permit. Safety. For their safety."
 
2012-10-13 04:22:19 AM

platedlizard: untaken_name: platedlizard: Given that fifteen of those cats were dead, I can see why.

Wait, so if he had a license, they'd still be alive?

Depends on the requirements. If the license required onsite inspections then probably yes. I don't know what they require there, however.


You know, they have all sorts of requirements for driver's licenses, too. And yet, somehow, morons who don't know the first thing about how to drive have no problem getting them. How much are they reasonably going to be able to charge for this license? Enough to pay for onsite inspections? Shyeah, right. Just seems like a waste of everyone involved's time.
 
2012-10-13 04:33:27 AM

untaken_name: platedlizard: untaken_name: platedlizard: Given that fifteen of those cats were dead, I can see why.

Wait, so if he had a license, they'd still be alive?

Depends on the requirements. If the license required onsite inspections then probably yes. I don't know what they require there, however.

You know, they have all sorts of requirements for driver's licenses, too. And yet, somehow, morons who don't know the first thing about how to drive have no problem getting them. How much are they reasonably going to be able to charge for this license? Enough to pay for onsite inspections? Shyeah, right. Just seems like a waste of everyone involved's time.


The license is to protect the neighbors from living next to a 1000sf litter box.
 
2012-10-13 04:38:24 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: untaken_name: platedlizard: untaken_name: platedlizard: Given that fifteen of those cats were dead, I can see why.

Wait, so if he had a license, they'd still be alive?

Depends on the requirements. If the license required onsite inspections then probably yes. I don't know what they require there, however.

You know, they have all sorts of requirements for driver's licenses, too. And yet, somehow, morons who don't know the first thing about how to drive have no problem getting them. How much are they reasonably going to be able to charge for this license? Enough to pay for onsite inspections? Shyeah, right. Just seems like a waste of everyone involved's time.

The license is to protect the neighbors from living next to a 1000sf litter box.


Sure worked, didn't it?
 
2012-10-13 04:45:29 AM

untaken_name: The license is to protect the neighbors from living next to a 1000sf litter box.

Sure worked, didn't it?


Guy's in jail isn't he?
 
2012-10-13 04:53:56 AM
Claude Ballse, great post.
 
2012-10-13 05:39:16 AM

BoxOfBees: The cops came on Oct 4th and declared his house uninhabitable, and this wasn't a problem for the next week, until Oct 11? I guess the reason I'm asking is that I doubt that any of the charges normally warrant arrest, and they didn't arrest him a week ago, just left him sleeping on the patio. What has changed? The article states that the city of Las Vegas said they arrested him for his safety. What safety? I'm sure this guy has some problems to solve, but as an advocate for freedom, I want to make sure that cities can't just go around locking people up "for their safety." As in "hey we just found a few hundred middle-easternish-looking people in our town and decided to lock them up for their safety. I mean, they had some parking tickets and unfurled their prayer mats without a permit. Safety. For their safety."


The guy was sleeping outside in the desert heat. We had a lot of 110F+ days this summer. We've had 35 heat deaths among the homeless here just this July. And these last few days we've had record rain and flooding and our infamous 'War of the Worlds' thunderstorms.
 
2012-10-13 05:51:39 AM
Life really does imitate art(or at least TV), there was an episode of CSI about this, except there was a dead person in the house on the show.
 
2012-10-13 05:59:50 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: untaken_name: The license is to protect the neighbors from living next to a 1000sf litter box.

Sure worked, didn't it?

Guy's in jail isn't he?


Yes, because of his failure to have a "cat fancier's license"... I mean, they weren't going to take him away if he had that license, right?
 
2012-10-13 06:05:50 AM
I guess having 2 cats isn't concidered fancy.

/ Hmmphtt
 
2012-10-13 06:06:55 AM
Fat lazy Farks like them should be executed in the town square!
 
2012-10-13 06:09:56 AM

Buffet: Fat lazy Farks like them should be executed in the town square!


Nah just chain the outside doors. You like it in there so much? Have at it! We'll bulldoze in 6 months. You'll either be dead, out of the house, or grateful for the bulldozers by then. Problem solved.
 
2012-10-13 06:32:14 AM
my friend is currently dealing with his hoarder aunt

we're talking maggots. wtf.
 
2012-10-13 07:03:41 AM

BoxOfBees: What safety? I'm sure this guy has some problems to solve, but as an advocate for freedom, I want to make sure that cities can't just go around locking people up "for their safety." As in "hey we just found a few hundred middle-easternish-looking people in our town and decided to lock them up for their safety. I mean, they had some parking tickets and unfurled their prayer mats without a permit. Safety. For their safety."


To be fair those middle easterners do have a penchant for blowing themselves up.
 
2012-10-13 07:27:05 AM
I have a hard time with stories or shows about hoarding, because my house needs some cleaning. Then, I get all repulsed by these stories, and start cleaning. I end up at the other end of the crazy spectrum, hanging out with the OCD types. A little clutter is ok, a little clutter is ok, little is not defined in metric tons, ohm, ohm.
 
2012-10-13 08:06:03 AM
so you are a partially reformed lazy dirtbag?

Claude Ballse: KrispyKritter: like many others in her youth mom was dirt poor and rarely had enough to eat. as an adult she overcompensated by treating her basement like a small grocery store. no matter how much was on the shelves there was never enough.

THIS! SO VERY GODAMMED THIS!

I'm a 4th generation hoarder that only with the help of my wife was I able to overcome it. It all seems to have started with my great, great grandmother who my father had described symptoms of. There is a whole lot of other psychological aspects to hoarding where you create emotional attachments to the most trivial and useless of things. And it's the psychological aspect that makes worse. But it's that whole fear of starving that starts it all. "Waste not, want not" was the basic family motto that became that whole slippery slope we went down. The fear of starvation leads to the hoarding of food. Once you get that somewhat satisfied, you start hoarding other things as well for fear of not having them. Then out of the guilt is born the emotional bond you construct with items. Feeling sad that you're the only person that wants them.

You might not ever cure hoarding 100%, but there is a great way to stop it that my wife discovered:

Recycling.

From scrap recycling of items so that the material can be made into other objects with a more useful purpose, to donating items to Thrift Stores so that needy people can buy them and put them to good use. You end up being relieved of the burden of caring for all the crap, and may start to even feel guilty that you're taking/keeping it from someone else.

Never tell a hoarder you're throwing something away. Always "recycle" or "repurpose" their things so that they feel better about giving it up. Once that is out of the way, the counseling can begin to prevent this shiat from ever happening again.

And the biggest thing you can do isn't to explain how what a hoarder is doing is wrong. We know that. That's why we become antisocial and hide. You need to reinforce th ...

 
Rat
2012-10-13 08:24:32 AM
Epstein was charged Friday with six misdemeanors

© and as far as the cat license goes, I think Epstein had a note from his mother.
 
2012-10-13 08:29:16 AM
You can joke about hoarding, but it's no laughing matter. My cousin is a compulsive hoarder and you can smell the stench from the outside
 
2012-10-13 09:08:50 AM

whidbey: failure to have a cat fanciers license,

WTF?


One of those situations where a city's current law can't limit your number of pets, but set a threshold that if you have more than X animals of a kind on your property, you're considered a commercial breeder and therefore must have a license. The problem is, this law should have been used as an opportunity earlier intervention before it got this bad.
 
2012-10-13 09:18:55 AM
My solution for hoarding clothes was almost like a mental breakthrough; have a donation box ready, anything I haven't worn in a year goes.

As the Farker said upthread changing the mentality from throwing away to giving really helps.
 
2012-10-13 09:21:00 AM

BoxOfBees: Ed Grubermann: BoxOfBees: Is he posing a threat to himself or others?

Yes. They had to gut his half of a duplex. The drywall and even the window frames were contaminated. He's a health risk to himself and the poor bastards living on the other side of the duplex. All that rotting waste is going to attract a lot of vermin. The neighbors might not have 30+ cats to kill them all.

But from TFA: Epstein's home was declared an uninhabitable health hazard last week and he has been sleeping on the back patio since, even though the city offered him temporary housing.

The cops came on Oct 4th and declared his house uninhabitable, and this wasn't a problem for the next week, until Oct 11? I guess the reason I'm asking is that I doubt that any of the charges normally warrant arrest, and they didn't arrest him a week ago, just left him sleeping on the patio. What has changed? The article states that the city of Las Vegas said they arrested him for his safety. What safety? I'm sure this guy has some problems to solve, but as an advocate for freedom, I want to make sure that cities can't just go around locking people up "for their safety." As in "hey we just found a few hundred middle-easternish-looking people in our town and decided to lock them up for their safety. I mean, they had some parking tickets and unfurled their prayer mats without a permit. Safety. For their safety."


Well, we can start with extreme cruelty to animals. That's worth an arresting if nothing else.
 
2012-10-13 09:24:55 AM
What's his Fark handle?
 
2012-10-13 09:28:27 AM

namegoeshere: BoxOfBees: Ed Grubermann: BoxOfBees: Is he posing a threat to himself or others?

Yes. They had to gut his half of a duplex. The drywall and even the window frames were contaminated. He's a health risk to himself and the poor bastards living on the other side of the duplex. All that rotting waste is going to attract a lot of vermin. The neighbors might not have 30+ cats to kill them all.

But from TFA: Epstein's home was declared an uninhabitable health hazard last week and he has been sleeping on the back patio since, even though the city offered him temporary housing.

The cops came on Oct 4th and declared his house uninhabitable, and this wasn't a problem for the next week, until Oct 11? I guess the reason I'm asking is that I doubt that any of the charges normally warrant arrest, and they didn't arrest him a week ago, just left him sleeping on the patio. What has changed? The article states that the city of Las Vegas said they arrested him for his safety. What safety? I'm sure this guy has some problems to solve, but as an advocate for freedom, I want to make sure that cities can't just go around locking people up "for their safety." As in "hey we just found a few hundred middle-easternish-looking people in our town and decided to lock them up for their safety. I mean, they had some parking tickets and unfurled their prayer mats without a permit. Safety. For their safety."

Well, we can start with extreme cruelty to animals. That's worth an arresting if nothing else.


But that's the problem? How is arresting this person going to help deal with their hoarding? This isn't the 1800's anymore. You don't toss people with a mental disorder in jail, like we once did

You get them some help and therapy.
 
2012-10-13 09:33:18 AM

Rufus Lee King: namegoeshere: but maybe someone (his family, for God's sake) could step up and help the guy with his mental issues?


I agree. That's far better than dumping them in prison and washing our hands of it, like we once did.

At least get this poor soul some therapy.
 
2012-10-13 09:36:46 AM

Obama4Life: namegoeshere: BoxOfBees: Ed Grubermann: BoxOfBees: Is he posing a threat to himself or others?

Yes. They had to gut his half of a duplex. The drywall and even the window frames were contaminated. He's a health risk to himself and the poor bastards living on the other side of the duplex. All that rotting waste is going to attract a lot of vermin. The neighbors might not have 30+ cats to kill them all.

But from TFA: Epstein's home was declared an uninhabitable health hazard last week and he has been sleeping on the back patio since, even though the city offered him temporary housing.

The cops came on Oct 4th and declared his house uninhabitable, and this wasn't a problem for the next week, until Oct 11? I guess the reason I'm asking is that I doubt that any of the charges normally warrant arrest, and they didn't arrest him a week ago, just left him sleeping on the patio. What has changed? The article states that the city of Las Vegas said they arrested him for his safety. What safety? I'm sure this guy has some problems to solve, but as an advocate for freedom, I want to make sure that cities can't just go around locking people up "for their safety." As in "hey we just found a few hundred middle-easternish-looking people in our town and decided to lock them up for their safety. I mean, they had some parking tickets and unfurled their prayer mats without a permit. Safety. For their safety."

Well, we can start with extreme cruelty to animals. That's worth an arresting if nothing else.

But that's the problem? How is arresting this person going to help deal with their hoarding? This isn't the 1800's anymore. You don't toss people with a mental disorder in jail, like we once did

You get them some help and therapy.


But they often won't accept the help without being forced to by a court order. Which is where the arrest comes in.

And hell yes we toss people with mental disorders in jail. When they commit crimes we do.

Rufus Lee King:
I can dig that, of course, animal cruelty being a "hot-button" issue with me, but maybe someone (his family, for God's sake) could step up and help the guy with his mental issues?


Hoarders are usually EXTREMELY reluctant to seek help. The family may have tried for years and been unsuccessful. So now he will be forced by the courts.
 
2012-10-13 09:41:03 AM
41 tons?!?!?!
 
2012-10-13 09:41:40 AM

namegoeshere: Obama4Life: namegoeshere: BoxOfBees: Ed Grubermann: BoxOfBees:
And hell yes we toss people with mental disorders in jail. When they commit crimes we do.


Yes, but not just BECAUSE they have a disease or disorder. That's our first reaction is to lock them away, then wonder why nobody gets help and just suffers in silence
 
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