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(Huffington Post)   Attention Women, GOP Senatorial candidate Rick Berg (R-eal Asshole) says if you're raped and get pregnant as a result, it's your responsibility to raise the child because abortion is never the answer   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 247
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2012-10-13 12:28:22 AM  

Huggermugger: I've been doing a great deal of reading lately, mostly Wikipedia and SPLC, about the weird convoluted connections between the current GOP "Christians" and the Dominionists, including Rushdoony's massive influence on people like Falwell and Robertson and then down through the hierarchy. It's a very scary and purist world that they want to impose, but it actually makes no logical sense. Logically, you would want to distribute birth control in order to prevent abortions, but they actually even hate birth control more than they do abortions. Bottom line is that you can take your most exaggerated extremist stereotype of what you fear the most about the plans of the GOP's religious beliefs, and the reality is even worse than the worst libby lib's pipe dreams. They are vicious and relentless, and they will stop at nothing.


i think you're right. it reminds me of that quote from Johnson about how he found it was impossible to deal with Christians because they will simply not budge.

i think it's madness that people who don't have vaginas should even have a say in the matter of abortion. and we in america should be teaching children about sex and birth control starting in the 6th grade on up, and making birth control available to them. it's way over due.
 
2012-10-13 12:35:05 AM  
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2012-10-13 12:36:31 AM  

bulldg4life: Zeppelininthesky: The sad part is some women are actually eating up this shiat with a spoon and will vote for them no matter what.

That's because the women are under the impression that every abortion is wrong except for theirs


I have one acquaintance who rails against all abortions, even hers. Conveniently, she's not raising that bastard.

Cake / Eat It Too 2012
 
2012-10-13 12:36:38 AM  
Remember when the GOP just gave lip service on abortion, to placate the rubes? And sponsored little to no bills?

I was a young man in the 90s. In those days, we all laughed at the GOP for pushing the abortion issue from a podium and then never bringing any legislation...until voting season. The issue wasn't touched once in office.
 
2012-10-13 12:42:44 AM  
If a rapist gets you preggers, you better have that baby. But if a republican gets you pregnant, you get a freaking abortion, slut!
 
2012-10-13 12:43:08 AM  
"I would make an exception for the life of the mother."

How nice! fark you!

Senate candidate. Yeah. How in the holy fark?! Supported by a constituency of single digit IQ human refuse. DIAF you backwards shiatwads!
 
2012-10-13 12:43:15 AM  

dickfreckle: The issue wasn't touched once in office.


It never is. It's just pandering to people too stupid to realize the fact.
 
2012-10-13 12:43:43 AM  
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2012-10-13 12:43:46 AM  
If it is a human life then murdering it to make the rape victim feel better is wrong.

Internal consistency is good.
 
2012-10-13 12:46:43 AM  
File a class action lawsuit for child support against him?
 
2012-10-13 12:47:34 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: What the fark is wrong with these people?


The Old Testament is what's wrong with these people. Way too much Old Testament.
 
2012-10-13 12:47:46 AM  
How is this even an issue? No matter how strongly you feel about abortion, the status quo isn't going to change without a civil war.
 
2012-10-13 12:49:38 AM  
FTFA:

SHAW: Why would you force a woman who has been raped to have that baby?
BERG: You know, like I said Jim, my position is pro-life, and I care about the unborn and I feel that's really where we should be in our policy.

SHAW: What would the appropriate sentence be if abortion was illegal and a woman did have an abortion?

BERG: I'll leave that up to others to come up with that.

SHAW: Should we put her in jail? Should we fine her? Do you have any thoughts on that at all?

BERG: Those are things that need to be worked out through the legislative process
.


What a f*cking dillweed. He's running for office to be part of the very legislative process he won't talk about.

Cowardly jackass won't say what he's going to do once he reaches the lofty heights of the NOrth Dakota Sate Senate. If he's going to be hardcore anti-abortion like this, why won't he just come out and say what exactly he's going to do when this issue is "worked out through the legislative process."

Christ what a pussy/
 
2012-10-13 12:51:44 AM  
Might as well marry the rapist, too, so I'll have a man to help me raise the kid. I plan on being a house-mom. That'll show him.

I expect the Republicans to pass laws to force marriage on every man who impregnates a woman as soon as they all get into office. It's for the Family.

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2012-10-13 12:53:50 AM  

Coco LaFemme: This is what I don't understand about some of these pro-life assholes. They believe that a clump of cells that hasn't formed anything resembling a human being, is actually a human being, and killing it (abortion) should be illegal. However, once said clump of cells turns into a human being and is then born, they could give less than a 1/10th of a fark about he/she after that.

Are they trying to say that human beings are like cars, in that once you come screaming out of your mom's snatch, you begin to depreciate in value....like a car does once you drive it off the lot? The pre-born are infinitely more valuable and worthy than the already born, whether they're toddlers, soldiers, or the elderly?

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but where's the farking logic in that?


i have a feeling that it has something to do with the concept of Original Sin..and somehow you get the Original Sin on you when you pass through your mother's twat.

Which means that C-Section babbys are unstained and without sin.
 
2012-10-13 12:54:25 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Nadie_AZ: Godscrack: This is becoming a pattern now. They know it's pissing people off.

But to what end?

There are some, like my stepmother, who will vote Republican purely because she believes that life begins at conception. Abortion is a horrible holocaust to those that believe in this.

Which was funny, because around 1900's, science was the one who featuss were actually alive, and the church didn't believe that the soul entered until the Quickening (when the baby begins moving) It was doctors that pressed for restricting abortions, with the church defending it. Some relgions did not believe you had a soul unless you came through the birth canal.


Don't forget that holy mother church (Roman Catholic) and others declared in-vitro babies soulless abominations. Also it was church doctrine for a time you couldn't murder a fetus if the possibility of twinning was not over because (in layman's terms) you can't split a soul like a ham sandwich. (Until that point passed, the fetus could not be "en-souled")
 
2012-10-13 12:55:31 AM  

bobbette: I miss the good old days when the GOP was all about consensual man-on-man or openly fapping to Sarah Palin instead of the Rapeublicanism of the last year.

These guys' burning shame-obsession with sex combined with their coercive and repressive Puritanism is just bizarre and psychologically warped. Nobody talks about sex in politics as much as these people, and when they do, they are constantly talking about forcibly penetrating and controlling women's bodies.

This is farked up.


Where ya been bobette? Missed you lately.
 
2012-10-13 12:58:13 AM  

KrispyKritter: it reminds me of that quote from Johnson about how he found it was impossible to deal with Christians because they will simply not budge.


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2012-10-13 01:00:17 AM  
So vote Rapeublican.
 
2012-10-13 01:03:53 AM  
i.imgur.com

/'Shopped this as a stupid joke while stoned.
//Never thought I'd have so many opportunities to use the bloody thing.
 
2012-10-13 01:03:55 AM  
"But when asked in an interview Wednesday whether a woman who sought an illegal abortion should be jailed or fined, Berg declined to get into specifics and said the punishment should be figured out through the "legislative process."

In other words, he wants to take away your rights and punish you for your moral transgressions but he's too chicken-shiat to tell you that to your face.
 
2012-10-13 01:04:18 AM  

coco ebert: Charlie Freak: Lost Thought 00: Gyrfalcon: Have these guys not figured out that every time they open their mouths about rape they lose voters? God is not going to vote them into office all by himself.

It's North Dakota. He has an R next to his name. He could be named Hitler, he'll still win

I don't know about that, Heitkamp actually has a chance. In unrelated news (csb time), in a few weeks I get to play at a GOTV rally that she and Ryan Taylor (governatorial candidate) will be at.

Which reminds me, (more csb) I played the state Republican convention a few years ago - that was a, well, interesting gig. We were a funk and soul band and when we came on stage and started to play it was hard stares and farkin' crickets, man. And we were killing it - Earth Wind and Fire, Stevie Wonder, L.T.D., all of it. About 30 minutes of no response I told the horn players to take a break. We started playing country music and no shiat, the audience all started two-stepping. If this sounds like the Bob's Country Bunker scene from Blues Brothers, that would be the best way to describe it - the only thing missing was goddamned chicken wire. Talk about a mis-hire, even though I told them exactly what we were... Rates as one of my top weirdest farking gigs ever.

Afterward I got a call from one of the candidates (who was a musician) to go on the road with him. I told him I was flattered and I'd have to think about it. The current Tea Party moniker hadn't yet been coined, but after checking his website, it was apparent this guy was that to the nines. Lots of songs about 'Merica. Blah. I politely declined. These days it wouldn't be so polite.

That is a CSB. Who the fark doesn't love Earth, Wind, & Fire, anyway?


Right? And we opened with September, too. There is nothing - nothing on earth that depresses me more than when a band is up on stage killing it and the crowd couldn't give two shiats. Unfortunately that's more the rule in this state than the exception. It kind of forces you to play niche stuff otherwise you'd end up quitting for good. That, or be in a jam band and just... no.
 
2012-10-13 01:07:31 AM  

Huggermugger: I've been doing a great deal of reading lately, mostly Wikipedia and SPLC, about the weird convoluted connections between the current GOP "Christians" and the Dominionists, including Rushdoony's massive influence on people like Falwell and Robertson and then down through the hierarchy. It's a very scary and purist world that they want to impose, but it actually makes no logical sense. Logically, you would want to distribute birth control in order to prevent abortions, but they actually even hate birth control more than they do abortions. Bottom line is that you can take your most exaggerated extremist stereotype of what you fear the most about the plans of the GOP's religious beliefs, and the reality is even worse than the worst libby lib's pipe dreams. They are vicious and relentless, and they will stop at nothing.


Dominionists SCARE THE shiat OUT OF ME. There's a big church of them down the road and I meet and know many of its congregants and the most shocking thing about them is how normal they are outwardly. Not at all like Carrie's mom or my weird cousin who goes to the creation museum and looks like an extra from Little House on the Prairie. These people are educated, successful, stylish don't even talk about religion much and want to stone you to death for any number of things that you probably do on a daily basis. They're sliming up our government right now and Obama kept a bunch of Bush appointees from this sect. But, yeah, lets shiat our pants over Sharia law.
 
2012-10-13 01:13:18 AM  

Bonzo_1116:
Christ what a pussy/

And I've met several people like that.
They love to take a strong generallzed position, but press them for details (for the express purpose of tearing their position apart, true), and they say that the details will be up to someone else. Just so long as the someone else agrees with them in theory and comes up with an idea that suits them, of course.

Yeah, but I'm asking you...what's your ideal. If you were asked to draft the bill and everybody else was replaced with a mannequin with a rubber stamp that said "YES", what would you put in the bill?

"Oh, that'll be worked out in the process."

That's not an answer, that's palming off actual responsibility onto a fictional group "other".
 
2012-10-13 01:19:49 AM  

Ishidan:

That's not an answer, that's palming off actual responsibility onto a fictional group "other".



The worst part to me is that this guy is actively campaigning to become one of the "others" that will be "working on it". And he still won't say. For some thoughtless asshole co-worker, okay, maybe they didnt' think it all the way through...but this douchenozzle is supposed to be thinking about it. That's what he's running for, right?

Ugh.
 
2012-10-13 01:21:33 AM  
You christians are some farked up individuals.
 
2012-10-13 01:22:49 AM  

LordJiro: You know you can also ignore any posts that quote someone on your ignore list, last I checked, right?


Quoted for truth
 
2012-10-13 01:27:57 AM  
Someone needs to start compiling these. The Republican Misogyny Tour is getting rather lengthy.
 
2012-10-13 01:28:17 AM  
As long as it is taking up space rent free in my uterus, it's my choice as to how long the lease lasts.
 
2012-10-13 01:32:05 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: PapaChester: GOPs got rape on the mind. Again.

First they railed on gays, until many of them were proven to be gay.
Now they rail on about rape.......

Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly looking people on the bench there.

Mother rapers.

Father stabbers.

Father rapers!

Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me!


Did you know that Arlo is now proud to be a registered republican?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie
Politics
A registered Republican, Guthrie endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for the 2008 Republican Party nomination. He said, "I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of the United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy."[10] He told The New York Times Magazine that he is a Republican because, "We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition."[11]...You can get anything you want, even baked big bird, at Alice's Restaurant
 
2012-10-13 01:39:39 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [i.imgur.com image 375x500]

/'Shopped this as a stupid joke while stoned.
//Never thought I'd have so many opportunities to use the bloody thing.


Kudos to you, Mr. Glowy Balls. For some reason it makes me think of Monkey Island.
 
2012-10-13 01:43:57 AM  
No abortion, and looking to cut down on SNAP (Food Stamps) because we all know that the rape victim should probably marry the raper to give the child a stable family...

"◦Savings will be focused on closing loop holes and removing waste, fraud and abuse in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as the food stamp program."

http://www.bergfornorthdakota.com/view/fact-check/dscc?ref_v=1

We don't need to abort the children, since we can just starve them after the fact.
 
2012-10-13 02:19:01 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Lionel Mandrake: What a dick. I will never fathom why a woman would vote GOP.

Because their man tells them to.


Now, now. You're forgetting that the woman can be stupid entirely on her own.

/Equality, people.
 
2012-10-13 02:25:41 AM  

BuckTurgidson:


You said rape twice

/they must really like rape
 
2012-10-13 02:26:08 AM  

error 303: It's at least a consistent position, but man, I just don't get it.

Should all miscarriages be investigated as homicides? Should all women be requird to submit a recent pregnancy test before being served alcohol or allowed to buy tobacco? I mean, if abortion becomes illegal and abortion providers are given criminal sentences, is a woman who intentionally takes enough medication/alochol/whatever to force her body to miscarry, is she a murderer? What if she just goes out for a night of drinking without knowing she's pregnant?

The logical follow through on life begins at conception implies that all women should be confied to bed after their first period and not allowed to interact with the outside world because it may harm their unborn child. It's insane.

I honestly feel the status-quo is about right. Surely, at some point, a fetus transitions into a human. But that point is at like 22-24 weeks (though I'm not a biologist/medical ethics person/whatever and can be talked into varying degrees of this).

But if life begins at 0.01 seconds... man. Margaret Atwood was right.


I seriously recall the Republicans drafting or enacting a law in one of their hillbilly hellholes which was aimed to prosecute women who have miscarriages for murder. On the basis that they're supposed to be "more careful."

As though every miscarriage means a woman killed a baby.
 
2012-10-13 02:32:32 AM  

LavenderWolf: error 303: It's at least a consistent position, but man, I just don't get it.

Should all miscarriages be investigated as homicides? Should all women be requird to submit a recent pregnancy test before being served alcohol or allowed to buy tobacco? I mean, if abortion becomes illegal and abortion providers are given criminal sentences, is a woman who intentionally takes enough medication/alochol/whatever to force her body to miscarry, is she a murderer? What if she just goes out for a night of drinking without knowing she's pregnant?

The logical follow through on life begins at conception implies that all women should be confied to bed after their first period and not allowed to interact with the outside world because it may harm their unborn child. It's insane.

I honestly feel the status-quo is about right. Surely, at some point, a fetus transitions into a human. But that point is at like 22-24 weeks (though I'm not a biologist/medical ethics person/whatever and can be talked into varying degrees of this).

But if life begins at 0.01 seconds... man. Margaret Atwood was right.

I seriously recall the Republicans drafting or enacting a law in one of their hillbilly hellholes which was aimed to prosecute women who have miscarriages for murder. On the basis that they're supposed to be "more careful."

As though every miscarriage means a woman killed a baby.


When I had a miscarriage, and then had to get a D&C afterward, the medical record said "spontaneous abortion". Apparently that was a valid medical term, but I can just imagine it being used to prosecute a woman who's had a "legitimate" miscarriage.
 
2012-10-13 02:34:26 AM  

dahmers love zombie: So if a fertilized egg is intentionally kept from implanting, the woman who does it should be facing 20 to life. Why won't the "pro-life" crowd admit that?


Some of them do, and have been trying to make IUDs and birth control pills illegal. Haven't you been paying attention?
 
2012-10-13 02:41:35 AM  

LavenderWolf: I seriously recall the Republicans drafting or enacting a law in one of their hillbilly hellholes which was aimed to prosecute women who have miscarriages for murder. On the basis that they're supposed to be "more careful." As though every miscarriage means a woman killed a baby.


Those particular laws are just obscene. I've had three miscarriages, my girlfriend's had one and my best friend's had two (including one earlier this week). They were all wanted. Why the hell should we be considered criminals?

/I are serious post, this are serious thread.
//Back to your regularly-scheduled snark.
 
2012-10-13 02:50:41 AM  

Brick-House: I personally don't agree with this, but I fail to see how this gets the sick tag? And many women have had babies that resulted from rape, some raising them, some putting them up for adoption.


you don't see how it's pretty farking sick to force women by threat of law (and presumably prison time) to bear their rapist's child?
 
2012-10-13 02:57:01 AM  
I vaguely remember a time when I disagreed with the Republicans on most things, but they had a few good positions.

Something happened.

At this point I can't easily come up with a single issue that Republicans aren't completely ass backwards on.

If you still vote for today's GOP, you're either an idiot or an asshole.
 
2012-10-13 03:01:17 AM  
Sigh, wrong again libs. Not only does this show that evolution is wrong, but that God intends on women raising rape babies.

If evolution is true and God didn't want to have rape babies, women would have evolved the maze-like vaginas that ducks have. Since womens vaginas have no mazes in them, evolution is false and abortion is a sin.
 
2012-10-13 03:01:21 AM  

Emposter: Something happened.


That "Something" would be the Tea Party.
 
2012-10-13 03:08:57 AM  

stoli n coke: Bucky Katt: What is this Republican fascination about rape?

Have you seen our Republican congresscritters? Do you think most of them have ever had actual consensual sex with a woman?


Sure. They're rich.
 
2012-10-13 03:15:46 AM  

Makh: Rapepublicans now this is getting old. ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!

(rant) Listen up you primitive screw-heads, abortion isn't something that slutty evil women thought up to piss of your god. It was a medical farking procedure that doctors usually recommend for a host of reasons.

Not to mention, this is an unplanned pregnancy. Which means she didn't intend to get pregnant for a number of reasons, one lack of resources amassed. Are you going to help her get assistance, pay for her medical costs or daycare so she can support herself or her child? No, I didn't think so. She's just going to be a lazy welfare mom in your eyes. You think giving birth is cheap?

It seems that the problem is even deeper than that. Children are no big deal for you, because your view is that some woman takes care of them and it's not your problem.

Just like rape, no matter what happens to her, you don't care, it's her problem to fix. God forbid if she fixes the problem in a way you don't like.

Oh and since math and science don't seem to be strong points of your kind. If you take 4 billion dollars (like say oil subsidies each year) and divide it by 16k (the average daycare worker salary), you would pay for roughly 250,000 daycare workers. Given the laws for young children, that would be 1 million babies that could be watched each year. (/rant)


Smarted! If you are not a female, you should have been.
 
2012-10-13 03:21:40 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Emposter: Something happened.

That "Something" would be the Tea Party.


Nah, before that. It's hard to put a date on it, but I'd estimate that the change too place during the 1990s. Whatever it was, it led to the GOP falling under the control of the very, very far right, and it's gotten worse since then, leading up to stuff like the Tea Party.
 
2012-10-13 03:27:24 AM  

Bucky Katt: What is this Republican fascination about rape?


Rape. And male gay sex in all forms... rapey gay black socialist, commie, Nazi, time travelling A-rab mooslibs who want to rape embryos until they are gay...chime in, fark psychologists (I KNOW some hoity toity elitist educated snobs are out there). What's your take on this obsesseion?
 
2012-10-13 03:28:29 AM  

Emposter: Fluorescent Testicle: Emposter: Something happened.

That "Something" would be the Tea Party.

Nah, before that. It's hard to put a date on it, but I'd estimate that the change too place during the 1990s. Whatever it was, it led to the GOP falling under the control of the very, very far right, and it's gotten worse since then, leading up to stuff like the Tea Party.


The "Moral Majority" which led to the notorious "Contract with/on America" which then became the Teahadists. The one constant in republicanism the past few decades is their first instinct is to lie about who they are, lie about what they want, lie about what they'll do. You think it's a coincidence that Joe the Plumber is a guy named Sam who never intended to be a plumber or that Wilard pretends he's named Mitt?

/I understand not wanting to go by Wilard, which is why most people would go by Will; Mitt being a pretty shocking step down. From Wilard.
 
2012-10-13 03:35:11 AM  
Why punish the child for the crimes of the father? Adoption is a much more humane option than abortion.

However, this case is so hysterical and so moot and completely detracts from reality. Less than 1% of abortions are due to rape & the vast majority of pro-life people are willing to compromise on this issue and allow abortion in the cases of rape, incest and the mother's health (which together account for 3% of abortions).
 
2012-10-13 03:36:39 AM  
By the way, this incessant harping on rape is disgusting. I am way turned off by these fear mongering tactics.

I only hope the rest of the country isn't dumb enough to fall for this juvenile propaganda.
 
2012-10-13 03:38:20 AM  

Nuff Said McFarky: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 781x960]


Yep. Creating human life is equated to death. Up is down, black is white and truth is slain in the streets.
 
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