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(Billings Gazette)   SWAT team raids home seeking non-existent meth lab. Lousy homeowners upset that their daughter was burned by a flash grenade instead of grateful no one was killed   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 202
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2012-10-12 11:08:59 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times

Again, you are assuming they were looking for a meth lab. That is what she said. Based on the description of events, they were looking for a dealer...there is nothing in that report that says they didn't find them.

No, I'm not assuming they were looking for a lab. You stated that they were not. Then you defended their actions by describing and justifying the actions required for TAKING DOWN A METH LAB. If they were not, then there was no reason to go full tactical meltdown on them. If they WERE taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG. If they were NOT taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG.


Based on the "facts" of the article I did not defend them but rather give my opinion of what I think really happened. In the end, I criticized their tactics, meth lab or not. I pointed out two facts. Only the lady that lived there said "meth lab" and no one without a death-wish would do what they did if it was in fact a meth lab.
 
2012-10-12 11:09:51 PM  

ProfessorOhki: I mean, it's not like meth labs are prone to exploding or anything. No, by all means, start your assault by detonating an explosive in one. Make sure you're close enough to be holding it on a stick though. So much face

napalm.

FTFY.

Bathia_Mapes: You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.


I'm sure if any of the inhabitants survived the explosion, they'd be charged with murder or attempted murder because of the police officers' incompetence.
 
2012-10-12 11:10:16 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Based on the "facts" of the article I did not defend them but rather give my opinion of what I think really happened. In the end, I criticized their tactics, meth lab or not. I pointed out two facts. Only the lady that lived there said "meth lab" and no one without a death-wish would do what they did if it was in fact a meth lab.


Fair enough.

/peace on you
 
2012-10-12 11:10:32 PM  
Drug war = expensive drugs = violence
 
2012-10-12 11:12:02 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Based on the "facts" of the article I did not defend them but rather give my opinion of what I think really happened. In the end, I criticized their tactics, meth lab or not. I pointed out two facts. Only the lady that lived there said "meth lab" and no one without a death-wish would do what they did if it was in fact a meth lab.

Fair enough.

/peace on you


We cool? Fist bump?
 
2012-10-12 11:12:12 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /peace on you


That came out wrong. No insult intended. Sorry.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:16 PM  

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: GanjSmokr: This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.

On that, we can all agree.

Which and whose?


That it's unacceptable, nothing will change, and things like this will keep happening.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:51 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: We cool? Fist bump?


*Bump*
 
2012-10-12 11:18:06 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: SWAT teams are granted exceptional weaponry and access to exceptional training and tactics. Accordingly, they should be held to an exceptional standard.

Every member of the team involved in this raid should be charged and tried for breaking and entering and felony assault.


You obviously don't know how this shiat works.
 
2012-10-12 11:21:34 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.

Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.


WTF!? Sure i'll write up reports and you do my boss's taxes. You wanted the job, you do it. You want to be the guy enforcing lifestyle violations, you deal with the crap that comes with it.
 
2012-10-12 11:22:20 PM  
Marine1

All I know is this: there are retards out there who go and get high on ice. These people are ridiculously stupid and would not go to some government-run facility to get high, because honestly, they don't give a fark what happens when they are using. The guy who murdered those two women smoked some meth and drove to farking Edgerton, Missouri from the KC suburb of Parkville, MO. That's a 40 minute drive, which I found out by driving to the memorial service. He then sat outside the house for a few more hours until the time the sun was starting to come up so he could go inside and screw a woman who was engaged to a man who she had two children with. When things went awry, he murdered a friend of mine and her half-sister. Now there are three children who will never know their mothers.

The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?


Screw decrim. Legalize the standard amphetamines, e.g., benzedrine/dexedrine and sell them OTC, at just above cost, and plow the profit back into treatment (it isn't like they haven't been sold OTC, before). Same with all other substances (excepting antibiotics). Then the control of such things as meth become much more manageable malignancies. Instead of farking with the innocent, fark the (mis)user. Anyone caught supplying a minor? 10yr mandatory minimum. Anyone, who, under the influence of a clinically significant amount of ANY substance (cognac/Heroin/valium, etc.) interferes with the life or liberty of a fellow citizen? minimum 10yr. mandatory sentence (plus the time for the actual crime).

If one wishes to have the wife chain one to a tree in the yard and guzzle down a fifth of Vodak? Fine. Shoot Heroin (it only costs ~10cents to produce a dose - how much do we spend to keep each dose from being used?), ok by me, just get it on with the pulmonary edema in one's own bathroom. Sure, some would die - but that's their choice - I'm not gonna tackle some whale who is eating what might be the fatal slice of pizza (oh, lock him up! He's going to take an infarct!) and don't look to me to approve of saving anyone from his/herself by farking over the rest of us.

Let me tell you about meth in Missouri. We've had a couple of 5gal. paint cans of `cook' leftovers dumped in our woods (nice toxic mess). Every week I walk the road along our property and pick up the trash out of the ditches (in boonies on a dip in the road - good place not to be seen). Had a pretty full bag of gunk that included, disposed of, `diabetic' syringes. Dep. Sheriff tools by and stops. Asks who/what/where/why (ok) then asks to look at the trash in the bag. He spies the syringes and it's `up against the car' (paraphernalia, don't ya know) . If the Sheriff, who I know, hadn't shown up the `depity' would have probably hauled me off to town. Fark this BS. Better a thousand dead junkies (than one innocent citizen being hassled, injured or killed).

/Carrie Nation is dead, get over it already
 
2012-10-12 11:27:35 PM  

Crazy Lee: Marine1

All I know is this: there are retards out there who go and get high on ice. These people are ridiculously stupid and would not go to some government-run facility to get high, because honestly, they don't give a fark what happens when they are using. The guy who murdered those two women smoked some meth and drove to farking Edgerton, Missouri from the KC suburb of Parkville, MO. That's a 40 minute drive, which I found out by driving to the memorial service. He then sat outside the house for a few more hours until the time the sun was starting to come up so he could go inside and screw a woman who was engaged to a man who she had two children with. When things went awry, he murdered a friend of mine and her half-sister. Now there are three children who will never know their mothers.

The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

Screw decrim. Legalize the standard amphetamines, e.g., benzedrine/dexedrine and sell them OTC, at just above cost, and plow the profit back into treatment (it isn't like they haven't been sold OTC, before). Same with all other substances (excepting antibiotics). Then the control of such things as meth become much more manageable malignancies. Instead of farking with the innocent, fark the (mis)user. Anyone caught supplying a minor? 10yr mandatory minimum. Anyone, who, under the influence of a clinically significant amount of ANY substance (cognac/Heroin/valium, etc.) interferes with the life or liberty of a fellow citize ...


I'd rather just see meth cookers caned in public. We need shame in society. I think jail does little to actually change a person.
 
2012-10-12 11:29:54 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: We cool? Fist bump?

*Bump*


Huh, you two argued, came to see each others point of view and left on friendly terms. There's a glimmer of hope...
 
2012-10-12 11:31:40 PM  

Crazy Lee: Let me tell you about meth in Missouri. We've had a couple of 5gal. paint cans of `cook' leftovers dumped in our woods (nice toxic mess). Every week I walk the road along our property and pick up the trash out of the ditches (in boonies on a dip in the road - good place not to be seen). Had a pretty full bag of gunk that included, disposed of, `diabetic' syringes. Dep. Sheriff tools by and stops. Asks who/what/where/why (ok) then asks to look at the trash in the bag. He spies the syringes and it's `up against the car' (paraphernalia, don't ya know) . If the Sheriff, who I know, hadn't shown up the `depity' would have probably hauled me off to town. Fark this BS. Better a thousand dead junkies (than one innocent citizen being hassled, injured or killed).


Proof that no good deed goes unpunished.

/good on ya, bro
 
2012-10-12 11:31:59 PM  

thisisarepeat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.

Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.

WTF!? Sure i'll write up reports and you do my boss's taxes. You wanted the job, you do it. You want to be the guy enforcing lifestyle violations, you deal with the crap that comes with it.


Really? Are you a troll or ignorant? (That isn't rhetorical btw please do answer)
 
2012-10-12 11:34:37 PM  

Katolu: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: We cool? Fist bump?

*Bump*

Huh, you two argued, came to see each others point of view and left on friendly terms. There's a glimmer of hope...


fark that guy he's a douchewagon

/douchewagon?
//it's a wagon that I guess carries douches?
///dude, that is the worst insult ever...
////fark you slashies I was trying to be cool
//you failed
 
2012-10-12 11:39:59 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: fark that guy he's a douchewagon


That was my second choice for a FARK monicker.

/chicken caesars are cruel
 
2012-10-12 11:47:37 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: fark that guy he's a douchewagon

That was my second choice for a FARK monicker.

/chicken caesars are cruel


in case you haven't met him:

Link
 
2012-10-12 11:57:57 PM  

Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?

I almost wish it was a meth lab so the SWAT-thugs might learn something.


Like looking for landmines with a small hammer....
 
2012-10-13 12:00:49 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.

Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.

WTF!? Sure i'll write up reports and you do my boss's taxes. You wanted the job, you do it. You want to be the guy enforcing lifestyle violations, you deal with the crap that comes with it.

Really? Are you a troll or ignorant? (That isn't rhetorical btw please do answer)


I must be ignorant because i have a pretty conservative haircut.

false choice fallacy?
 
2012-10-13 12:00:58 AM  

Mad-n-FL: Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?

I almost wish it was a meth lab so the SWAT-thugs might learn something.

Like looking for landmines with a small hammer....


with snow-shoes
 
2012-10-13 12:02:02 AM  
img209.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-13 12:04:33 AM  

thisisarepeat: brain vomit


Yeah...well that didn't narrow it down any...am still 60/40 on one side.
 
2012-10-13 12:06:30 AM  

doglover: Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?



People who've never passed high school chemistry without copying answers off their neighbor.


In other words, cops.
 
2012-10-13 12:13:25 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: in case you haven't met him:

Link


I see. So you take your entertainment and your nom de plume from a poor misunderstood Dickensian tragedian. I shall be investigating further misadventures. You sir are NO Sir Digby Chicken Caesar.

/love Ginger
 
2012-10-13 12:19:38 AM  

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


I think you're perfect. i wouldn't want there to be any doubts in your mind when your brother thugs start hitting IEDs with a Crown Vic... And, when that Chicago Liar steals the election, I have faith that you will find out what 5 lbs of home made C-4 and a copper plate penetrator does to some skinhead, bloused booted, 'roided porker.

Do you think the PD will send the parts home, so they came claim he/she/it went EOW?

 
2012-10-13 12:21:17 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: cop apologist bullshiat


I'm not shocked that you're confused
 
2012-10-13 12:40:09 AM  
Jesus lady, clean your house.
 
2012-10-13 12:46:14 AM  
The family should be charged with tampering with evidence. They hid the lab then put decoy children in the house thereby endangering the police.

This should be like DWI. If you refuse the breath test (in our country) you still charged with DWI. Hide the meth lab - still get charged with producing.

99 years in jail and forfeit the house.

.
 
2012-10-13 12:50:38 AM  
Same as it ever was.

\and people scoff at anarchy
\\yeah, that'd be much worse /snark
 
2012-10-13 01:00:46 AM  
"St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside."

You get an 'F' on your homework then.
 
2012-10-13 01:11:44 AM  
>> Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good >> junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

Cool, so if they wanted to get rid of all the 'suspected' meth labs, all the cops would have to do is knock on the door.... Heh, no search warrant needed just to knock...
 
2012-10-13 01:49:03 AM  

Amos Quito: Lots of cop hate in this thread.

Hey, I know in this case they made a mistake, but they're obviously very sorry, and I'll bet if you think about it, even the most jaded among you will admit that there are times when such militaristic measures - or even harsher action is completely warranted.

For instance, I know of a place right there in Billings that at this moment is brimming with every kind of drug and arms imaginable, where heavily armed, callous thugs that have no respect for the law or their fellow human beings come and go at will, day and night, and the neighbors don't dare breathe a word.

How would you feel if you had to deal with a situation like that?


No-knocks all too often hurt or kill innocents. That simply is unacceptable unless there's an overriding reason--and the only one I see are hostages. Otherwise, forget it.

Yeah, the house you describe probably couldn't be taken down safely by the cops walking up to the door. You're simply assuming there are no other choices and I disagree.

Instead of the cop walking up to the door how about a robot? Sure, the bad guys can shoot. It can be armored and even if the bad guys manage to overcome that it's only a robot. Sure, it will be slower but if they're doing enough no-knocks that the time involved is a big deal something is very wrong in the first place.

To overcome the destruction of evidence issue how about a change in the law: If the cops have a warrant for <X> and the cameras observe you destroying what appears to be <X> when the cops show up that there is a presumption that it was <X>. I would also have no problem with the robot having tasers and/or tear gas.

Crazy Lee: Screw decrim. Legalize the standard amphetamines, e.g., benzedrine/dexedrine and sell them OTC, at just above cost, and plow the profit back into treatment (it isn't like they haven't been sold OTC, before). Same with all other substances (excepting antibiotics).


Not just antibiotics, but any any-infection medicine. Resistance is a problem with all of them. Malaria used to be no big deal with quinine, now there are strains resistant to almost everything and some counterfeit drug producers are making matters worse by making weak versions of the last drug left.
 
2012-10-13 02:07:14 AM  
Libs wonder why so many right wingers are in a tizzy thinking we're going to need our firearms soon. THIS is why. We are going to need them. Not necessarily against the Feds but against the police.
 
2012-10-13 02:32:46 AM  
When their dog chasing me in the street: "Don't hurt the dog, or we will shoot you!". When they arrive at my house: shoot my dog.
 
2012-10-13 02:35:13 AM  
No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

I'll bet the "evidence" that these storm trooper farkups collected was a package of Benadryl from the medicine cabinet.
 
2012-10-13 03:21:44 AM  

richard_1963: No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

I'll bet the "evidence" that these storm trooper farkups collected was a package of Benadryl from the medicine cabinet.


When they decline to release any information about what they found doing something, that's always a huge red flag.
 
2012-10-13 03:26:46 AM  

pxlboy: If you're not wealthy or politically-connected (to the right people), you're target practice. Doubly-so if you're brown.


Nope, they fark the politically connected, too. This was a major brouhaha near my area a few years ago. SWAT farking raiding a Maryland Mayor's house, killed his dogs, all because they didn't do any investigative work beforehand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor's_reside nc e_drug_raid

Since the Mayor settled with a non disclosure agreement, we'll never know how much they had to pay. Note that all of the follow up "investigations" found no wrongdoing.
 
2012-10-13 04:42:19 AM  

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.


I didn't read the article, but did they throw the grenade in while breaching, indicating that they're idiots? Or did they throw the grenade in prior to breaching and hang back a bit, indicating that they're jerks who tried to blow up a meth lab? I'm not really sure there's a good answer.
 
2012-10-13 06:51:14 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Libs wonder why so many right wingers are in a tizzy thinking we're going to need our firearms soon. THIS is why. We are going to need them. Not necessarily against the Feds but against the police.


It wasn't "libs" who launched the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.

It wasn't "libs" who yelled "Scary Mooselimbs!" to justify equipping police departments with ever more military gear.

It isn't "libs" who said to the 1988 Republican Convention, "Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the Ay See Ell Yoo!" And it certainly wasn't "libs" who joined Pat Robertson in booing that horrible idea.
 
2012-10-13 08:11:43 AM  
Cops should change the slogan on their cars to "Protecting our Pensions"
 
2012-10-13 09:00:46 AM  

Amos Quito: Lots of cop hate in this thread.

Hey, I know in this case they made a mistake, but they're obviously very sorry, i>

FTFA: A claims process has already been started with the city. St. John said it's not an overnight process, but it does determine if the Police Department needs to make restitution.

"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that

Nope. Not sorry at all. In fact, not willing to even admit wrongdoing until they are forced. For buring a child. Which they did.

 
2012-10-13 09:03:20 AM  
Nope. Not sorry at all. In fact, not willing to even admit wrongdoing until they are forced. For buring a child. Which they did.

Should not have been in italics.
 
2012-10-13 09:35:18 AM  

clyph: Waiting for CruiserTwelve to come and tell us why this is entirely reasonable police procedure and why the officers involved showed restraint and good judgement.


I usually side with law enforcement, but these cases are happening way too much. Research before the raid seems to be universally nonexistent...and thats completely unacceptable.
 
2012-10-13 10:21:28 AM  

Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to fark the ...


I've done alot of drugs. Meth didn't make him kill anyone. He is just a miserable coont, and should be executed accordingly.
 
2012-10-13 10:44:02 AM  

Cast: Marine1: ...

I've done alot of drugs. Meth didn't make him kill anyone. He is just a miserable coont, and should be executed accordingly.


Correct, the only drug that actually 'makes' you do anything are dissociatives like PCP, and that's is really high doses.
 
2012-10-13 11:43:51 AM  
No knock warrants of the future, cops turning off your water prior so you cant flush anything.
 
2012-10-13 11:47:09 AM  

c4rr0tc4k3: No knock warrants of the future, cops turning off your water prior so you cant flush anything.


You have one flush left when the water goes. Use it wisely.

Or keep a full bucket next to the can.
 
2012-10-13 01:59:25 PM  
Jesus. You know I'd almost rather have MS13 policing the neighborhood than these assholes.
 
2012-10-13 04:08:23 PM  

Cast: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to ...


You really think a guy with no violent past carries that sort of shiat out without some sort of push over the edge?
 
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