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(Billings Gazette)   SWAT team raids home seeking non-existent meth lab. Lousy homeowners upset that their daughter was burned by a flash grenade instead of grateful no one was killed   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 202
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2012-10-12 04:11:20 PM
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."


Fark all of you. Your "homework" wasn't even good enough to determine if it was an actual meth house, much less whether there were children inside.


Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters

Take 'em to the farkin cleaners.

/No knock warrants are disgusting
 
2012-10-12 04:21:51 PM
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.
 
2012-10-12 04:23:45 PM
No knock raids are fu*king jackbooted Nazi bullsh*t.

Nazi bullsh*t? In my country?
 
2012-10-12 04:24:06 PM
farking horrible. This kid's gonna be scarred for life. PTSD, who knows what else.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.


It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:49 PM
Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again.
 
2012-10-12 04:28:37 PM
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Then don't use grenades near meth labs, idiot.
 
2012-10-12 04:30:43 PM
No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered PLANTED during the search. St. John declined to release specifics . . . . . . .
 
2012-10-12 04:31:14 PM
That's some fine police work there, Police Chief Rich St. John
 
2012-10-12 04:31:57 PM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.


Not when the police do it, apparently. When they do it it's called "being tough on crime".

/jackbooted thugs
 
2012-10-12 05:32:50 PM
protip: don't live nextdoor to a meth lab.
 
2012-10-12 05:36:47 PM

serial_crusher: protip: don't live nextdoor to a meth lab.


My neighbors just returned the "Are you cooking meth in your house?" survey card I sent out, but they all checked "undecided"
 
2012-10-12 07:01:35 PM
FTFA: A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level.


Family sounds like a bunch of primitive screw-heads who didn't listen up.
 
2012-10-12 07:17:51 PM
No family pets were killed, I think they should consider themselves lucky.
 
2012-10-12 07:47:21 PM
Drug war needs to be over, now.
 
2012-10-12 07:48:29 PM
Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)
 
2012-10-12 07:49:33 PM
So its like legitimate rape?
It's legal if the police do it?
 
2012-10-12 07:50:52 PM

Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)


I am poor=low violence.

I am rich=high violence.

Human/money math.

Ugly business.

Remand.
 
2012-10-12 07:50:59 PM
How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.
 
2012-10-12 07:51:12 PM

Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)


Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...
 
2012-10-12 07:51:38 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

I am poor=low violence.

I am rich=high violence.

Human/money math.

Ugly business.

Remand.


And remath.

*)
 
2012-10-12 07:51:53 PM

M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.


It's Barney Fife playing soldier, nothing more.
 
xcv
2012-10-12 07:52:08 PM
Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:09 PM
America's law enforcement, terrorizing one family after another, year after year after year.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:13 PM
Sounds like someone was trying to make quota. I wonder how much they lied to the judge to get to the warrant.
 
2012-10-12 07:53:44 PM

pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...


Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.
 
2012-10-12 07:53:49 PM
Waiting for CruiserTwelve to come and tell us why this is entirely reasonable police procedure and why the officers involved showed restraint and good judgement.
 
2012-10-12 07:54:00 PM

dittybopper: Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.


This.
I don't know how they got to thinking "We have to raid a suspected meth lab full of volatile chemicals" and concluded with "Lets start by throwing an explosive device at it!". But if they'd actually found what they were looking for, we'd now be talking about a half a dozen officers who set themselves on fire.
 
2012-10-12 07:55:17 PM
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

and

However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade when he tried to detonate it.

Let's see here. Non-existent meth lab, didn't know children were present, officers didn't understand how the grenade worked. Yep. Certainly sounds like they did plenty of homework.
 
2012-10-12 07:56:43 PM
FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..
 
2012-10-12 07:56:52 PM
Most law enforcement is above the law, and I mean that in a hovering sense...

*)
 
2012-10-12 07:58:47 PM
So, the proper response to a suspected meth lab is to send in SWAT and toss grenades into the house as the first course of action?

And they wonder why we think police and SWAT are assholes.
 
2012-10-12 07:59:00 PM
Cops in the 1950s:

www.policemotorunits.com

Cops today:

4.bp.blogspot.com

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?
 
2012-10-12 07:59:17 PM

Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...

Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.


I don't disagree with you at all. What I mean is, the genie is already out of the bottle. These kinds of things are going to happen more, not less frequently.
 
2012-10-12 08:00:28 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, the proper response to a suspected meth lab is to send in SWAT and toss grenades into the house as the first course of action?

And they wonder why we think police and SWAT are assholes.


If you're not wealthy or politically-connected (to the right people), you're target practice. Doubly-so if you're brown.
 
2012-10-12 08:00:55 PM
Heroes, every damn one of them.

if the law enforcement professionals involved had any values or morals they would quit today, apologize for what they've done and try to make something out of their miserable POS lives.
 
2012-10-12 08:01:27 PM
You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.
 
2012-10-12 08:01:53 PM
WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?

I almost wish it was a meth lab so the SWAT-thugs might learn something.
 
2012-10-12 08:02:03 PM

KrispyKritter: Heroes, every damn one of them.

if the law enforcement professionals involved had any values or morals they would quit today, apologize for what they've done and try to make something out of their miserable POS lives.


But they won't, because the job attracts assholes.
 
2012-10-12 08:02:15 PM

Calmamity: Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again. the town has to close down it's fire department.


/ftfy
 
2012-10-12 08:03:39 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:
www.policemotorunits.com
Cops today:


Authoritarians back then would have loved to have the "now" stuff.

The problem is now, as it always has been, that the bureaucracy in power always craves more power, and finds it advantageous to make it easier for thugs to become cops than honest people.
 
2012-10-12 08:03:43 PM

Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?



People who've never passed high school chemistry without copying answers off their neighbor.
 
2012-10-12 08:06:11 PM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


The sad part is that there are actually people out there who truly believe this stuff.
 
2012-10-12 08:06:44 PM

Arcturus72: FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..


If the family is smart, they've gone with a high-powered big city attorney who is used to handling these kinds of cases, not the local friend-of-the-family law partner. They're going to need a guy who knows how to quash the probably illegally acquired evidence that has nothing to do with the no-knock meth lab warrant, but which might well succeed in scaring off a general practice lawyer with no experience in how these things work. When the cops' attorney threatens to charge them with the half dozen Valiums daughter had in her book bag, they need a lawyer to wave the copy of the search warrant at them and say, "You mean the Valiums that aren't covered on your warrant to search for products of the meth lab?" or somesuch in proper legalese.

They could get someone to do it for a 1/3 contingency fee.
 
2012-10-12 08:08:39 PM

Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.


Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

Like this asshole did.
 
2012-10-12 08:08:47 PM
Well you know, to server and protect. And shoot dogs, grandmas and burn little girls. Brave men.
 
2012-10-12 08:09:11 PM

M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.


I have a small amount of experience with SWAT through my job and friends who are cops. The guys on those teams range from ex-special forces badasses to people who shouldn't even be greeters at Walmart. SWAT definitely doesn't always mean "elite".
 
2012-10-12 08:10:50 PM
I was at Fort Hunter-Liggett,, near San Luis Obispo at annual National Guard training and saw my Platoon Sergeant get wounded almost identically to the injuries in the photo provided by jigger. We were attacked by OPFORS at about 3am, and a flash-bang was thrown on his sleeping bag. He was in a hasty firing position next to it in his skivvies, saw it and believing it to be a smoke grenade, attempted to shake it off (so he didn't have to pay for his damaged sleeping bag) when it went off. His injuries were severe enough to put him in the hospital, and he couldn't return to work for another month. It also blew the hell out of his fartsack.

Flash-bangs are not small. They're basically grenades without large shrapnel. This family has a legitimate grievance.
 
2012-10-12 08:11:38 PM
This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.
 
2012-10-12 08:13:58 PM

pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...

Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.

I don't disagree with you at all. What I mean is, the genie is already out of the bottle. These kinds of things are going to happen more, not less frequently.


No they aren't.

Police show restraint as trained.
 
2012-10-12 08:14:37 PM
However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade........
It was totally unforeseen


Those fools are trained so poorly that they don't know how their equipment works and you couldn't see this coming? I'll take an order of stupid with stupid sauce on top, please.
 
2012-10-12 08:14:40 PM
Nobody was killed? Those SWAT boys are getting soft. I blame Obama.
 
2012-10-12 08:15:12 PM
Yeah, that poor girl is likely going to have PTSD for the rest of her life.
 
2012-10-12 08:16:17 PM
Look at the bright side; when they actually find a meth lab and use one of those boomsticks, they'll probably blow themselves to hell.
 
2012-10-12 08:16:23 PM

dittybopper: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Then don't use grenades near meth labs, idiot.


FARKING THIS. I mean, it's not like meth labs are prone to exploding or anything. No, by all means, start your assault by detonating an explosive in one. Make sure you're close enough to be holding it on a stick though. So much facepalm.
 
2012-10-12 08:16:49 PM

LeGnome: Nobody was killed? Those SWAT boys are getting soft. I blame Obama.


I know you're joking about the Obama part, but on the other hand, how much of the gear those officers were wearing was paid for using federal funds? Will the state or local governments come under federal investigation for this?

The answers, in order, are: At least some of it, and absolutely not.
 
2012-10-12 08:17:23 PM

Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

Like this asshole did.


In any given population of people living, you will find a small tidbit who are capable of this violence, so remove the monetary incentive and provide active and instructive treatment techniques for addicts, and I suspect you will find cheaper relief than a drug war that endangers more than it saves.
 
2012-10-12 08:17:28 PM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.
 
2012-10-12 08:20:24 PM

Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.



No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.
 
2012-10-12 08:21:53 PM

macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.


There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.
 
2012-10-12 08:22:00 PM
SWAT teams are granted exceptional weaponry and access to exceptional training and tactics. Accordingly, they should be held to an exceptional standard.

Every member of the team involved in this raid should be charged and tried for breaking and entering and felony assault.

If we're going to have assholes with heavy weaponry kicking in doors and starting gun fights in residential neighborhoods over recreational drug use, the least we could have to go with it is a reasonable measure of accountability to assure these idiots at least stick to their targets.
 
2012-10-12 08:24:03 PM

Indubitably: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

Like this asshole did.

In any given population of people living, you will find a small tidbit who are capable of this violence, so remove the monetary incentive and provide active and instructive treatment techniques for addicts, and I suspect you will find cheaper relief than a drug war that endangers more than it saves.


How's that for a complete sentence?

*)
 
2012-10-12 08:25:43 PM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Those fools are trained so poorly that they don't know how their equipment works and you couldn't see this coming? I'll take an order of stupid with stupid sauce on top, please.


A well-trained officer of the law utilizes appropriate force on a dangerous assailant by picking the correct tool for the job (no clicky because it shows a human being being murdered in cold blood by a violent animal with a badge):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlfNNiwoa_E

/ this idiot's "defense" at his murder trial was that he thought he had his taser out
 
2012-10-12 08:40:28 PM
Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.
 
2012-10-12 08:41:12 PM

Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.


What? So if marijuana laws were repealed, methamphetamine would become legal?
 
2012-10-12 08:42:15 PM
If the cop with the flashbang didn't know there was a delay, it sounds like the "SWAT" unit was an untrained rabble, which pretty much negates the reason for calling them in.
 
2012-10-12 08:43:29 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:

[www.policemotorunits.com image 440x604]

Cops today:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 566x425]

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?


You do know what NorthCOM is? Right?
 
2012-10-12 08:44:35 PM
Time to roast a farking pig. I hope the settlement bankrupts the whole damn state. These motherfarkers need to be sent a damn message.
 
2012-10-12 08:45:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.


Collusion?
 
2012-10-12 08:45:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.


Absolute farking stupidity and arrogance.
 
2012-10-12 08:46:40 PM

Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.


We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.
 
2012-10-12 08:46:58 PM

MrHappyRotter: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.

Absolute farking stupidity and arrogance.


Which is ironic, given the subject matter of this thread.
 
xcv
2012-10-12 08:48:11 PM

Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.


Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.
 
2012-10-12 08:49:44 PM

Calmamity: Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again.


Heh. Heheh. AHAHAhAhAhAAAaaaaaaaa!

No. Just like shoplifting, any amount won in a civil suit will get passed directly to the paying customers. The taxpayers, in this case.

And the wheels will grind on...
 
2012-10-12 08:49:54 PM
When is it ever a good idea to toss a grenade into a meth lab? Those things blow themselves sky high even without help. If it had been an actual meth lab, you'd be risking killing everyone inside and outside of it.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-12 08:54:46 PM

xcv: Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.


Nice troll, but unraveled by the fact that meth labs leave very detectible trace evidence. There's really no need to conduct smash and grab raids on private property in such a manner.
 
2012-10-12 08:56:17 PM
Lots of flammable stuff in a meth lab. Best to start digging in the front yard and hand them the shovel when they come out.

/Pinkman rulez.
 
2012-10-12 08:59:03 PM

Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.


Alcohol is legal but if you do something stupid while drunk you go to jail. Decriminalizing something is not the same as removing responsibility.
 
2012-10-12 08:59:14 PM

jjorsett: When is it ever a good idea to toss a grenade into a meth lab? Those things blow themselves sky high even without help. If it had been an actual meth lab, you'd be risking killing everyone inside and outside of it.

[i49.tinypic.com image 414x310]


Don't forget, most cops are morons.
 
2012-10-12 08:59:20 PM
Bunch of pussies. Lucky that instead they didnt catch a willie pete.
 
2012-10-12 09:06:03 PM

Rug Doctor: I have a small amount of experience with SWAT through my job and friends who are cops. The guys on those teams range from ex-special forces badasses to people who shouldn't even be greeters at Walmart. SWAT definitely doesn't always mean "elite".


A lot of teams tend towards the latter also because of bureaucratic shiat and hoops to jump through. I have a friend who was EOD in the Army back in the first Gulf dust up, and then did it for awhile after doing things like working with the Secret Service on bomb duty and so on. Perfect record, honorable discharge, all that jazz. Sounds like maybe a good candidate for a SWAT team. Indeed he was contacted by the local PD who wanted him... However first he'd have to do traffic duty, then patrol, etc, etc. Long and short of it was he'd have to go be a normal cop for around 5 years before he'd be allowed to try for the SWAT team. He decided that 5 years of his skills dulling in a job he didn't want was silly, and he'd pursue employment on other interests (IT in this case).

Rather than a situation of "find people who have the skills, then spend time training them as a cop (POST and that sort of thing," it was an attitude of "Work as a cop for many years, then try for it if you want."

Also plenty of times these days it isn't really "SWAT" as in an actual special group dedicated to such things. Many police departments have tons of money that went to gear from anti-drug and anti-terror funding and so they literally have an AR and body armour for every cop. So when they decide it needs to be a bust-in raid, normal cops will just suit up and do it.
 
2012-10-12 09:07:49 PM
In terms of danger cops are below the top ten spots.

If they are breaking into possible meth labs, ect how do they do it?

They are passing the risks to the the public. Maybe being a police officer needs to become a little more dangerous if they are not going to loose aggression for getting at criminals.

If you hear me saying i want more police to die I am asking you how you feel about supporting burnt children for police safety.

/Or they could start knocking a bit more.

//Flashbangs in a methlab? LOL.
 
2012-10-12 09:10:22 PM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


4/10. "E" for "Effort" but really, you're trying to play devil's advocate when the Devil kicked a puppy.
 
2012-10-12 09:11:04 PM
Throwing a flash-bang into a farking METH HOUSE ARE YOU FU( KING INSANE?? Do you know why those things blow up all the farking time?? BECAUSE METH HOUSES ARE FARKING ASPLODEY! Broken lightbulbs can make them go boom. Random sparks. Cigarettes. What is this I don't even...

Yes I know this wasn't a meth house. Which brings me to my second point: Throwing a flash-bang into a farking CHILD'S BEDROOM ARE YOU FARKING INSANE??

The stupid... The jack booted thuggary... The farking stupid...

Did I mention the stupid? Because there is no one on this police force involved in this situation that is not farking to stupid to be allowed out in public.
 
2012-10-12 09:13:10 PM
`Nothing to see, here, citizen, move along, smartly, now.'

Just add the kid to the list: http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Hey, it's a `war', most folks were `drafted' into service at birth (born in `72 or later), shouldn't anyone wounded get free treatment, anyone `collateralized' be afforded a flag draped coffin and death benefits?

/oh, that's right, `think of the children'
//I bet the girl feels oh, so much better for that...
 
2012-10-12 09:26:29 PM

Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.


Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.
 
2012-10-12 09:27:05 PM
It sounds like there are a couple of Farkers over in TFA comments. If so, if someone is registered to comment on that site, could you pretty please go say how farking stupid it would be to toss a flash-bang into a meth house? Because in 68 comments, not one person mentioned how insane it would be to toss a flash-bang into a meth house.

Unless of course you're looking to kill everyone inside and possibly take out a good chunk of the neighborhood as well.
 
2012-10-12 09:29:23 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:

[www.policemotorunits.com image 440x604]

Cops today:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 566x425]

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?


When the hippies turned into yuppies, when rural and urban were abandoned in favor of suburban, when globalization changed tariffs into free trade agreements, when the boomers got off of the lawns, bought their own, and started being upset at the damn kids who had the audacity to do all the shiat they used to do.

It's profiteering by prisons and manufacturers and drug-dealers and politicians, it's scared suburbanites hiding from the people they used to be, it's a drug trade bolstered by ever-improving technology, it's a population that has been told in no uncertain terms they will never be allowed to advance and are lucky to even HAVE a job trying to find escape from a society that openly hates their youth, it's a police force of barking dogs given shiatty jobs and the only perk being fancy toys and permission to enact the occasional beating.

It's "libertarians" who support stop-and-frisk but attack wall street regulations, it's "liberals" who refuse to vote for anyone who isn't perfectly aligned with their positions, it's "independents" who choose and stick with one party no matter what that party does, it's "conservatives" who feel that if we only would go "back" to our imaginary christian nation roots and legalize lynching and blue laws again the police would suddenly be like Andy Griffith "again."
 
2012-10-12 09:30:11 PM

xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.


Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

www.stjosephpost.com

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to fark the corpse of a young woman (who he just killed) at sunrise while her two children were sleeping in a crib a few feet away and her half-sister was lying dead out in the living room. That's the issue. I don't care if someone smokes weed or drinks alcohol, because people consume that stuff regularly without offing productive members of our society. Meth, on the other hand, causes people to go off the reservation and commit murder.
 
2012-10-12 09:30:27 PM
Wow. Really??? 87 comments and no

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-12 09:30:55 PM

phrawgh: Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.

We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.


2/10

You're trying way too hard.
 
2012-10-12 09:31:13 PM
fark the police

Even their responses are horrific. I guess it's OK to use light explosives against adults always, or at least only when you have the right address. I guess it's OK to scar and burn people for being the subject of a warrant.

Of course if you have the wrong address, you may end up using them against adults, children, infants, the elderly, pets, etc.

Too bad the police are in such a rush to conduct the raid that they end up at the wrong address. It's pretty pathetic that I put more effort into verifying that I'm at the right address for a house party then the police do when deploying armor clad storm troopers with automatic weapons and light explosives.

fark the police
 
2012-10-12 09:34:06 PM
Does anyone know if Obamacare covers flash grenade burns?
 
2012-10-12 09:34:50 PM

special20: xcv: Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

Nice troll, but unraveled by the fact that meth labs leave very detectible trace evidence. There's really no need to conduct smash and grab raids on private property in such a manner.


Reads like sarcasm, not trolling.
 
2012-10-12 09:35:34 PM

Digitalstrange: Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.


To be techinical, methamphetamine is a schedule II controlled substance, much like other amphetamines, and can be prescribed and dispensed...at least in the state of Michigan.
 
2012-10-12 09:35:53 PM

phrawgh: Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.

We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.


The stupid...it burns sooooo much.
 
2012-10-12 09:37:31 PM

MilkIt: phrawgh: Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.

We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.

The stupid...it burns sooooo much like a flash-bang in a little girl's bed.


FTFY
 
2012-10-12 09:37:59 PM

HempHead: Does anyone know if Obamacare covers flash grenade burns?


Yes, but since doctors will no longer be able to afford to doc, the only thing you'll get out of it is an addiction to generic painkillers prescribed by the Mexican pharmacists we'll have to import to do the jobs that Americans won't do.
 
2012-10-12 09:39:45 PM

TheBigJerk: It's "libertarians" who support stop-and-frisk but attack wall street regulations, it's "liberals" who refuse to vote for anyone who isn't perfectly aligned with their positions, it's "independents" who choose and stick with one party no matter what that party does, it's "conservatives" who feel that if we only would go "back" to our imaginary christian nation roots and legalize lynching and blue laws again the police would suddenly be like Andy Griffith "again."


2/10

I'll agree that liberals are surprisingly monolithic and inflexible about their position and accepting any alternatives and that conservatives do like to talk about religious roots a lot. You'll find few, if any, conservatives who really support lynching. You'll find even fewer libertarians who support stop and frisk. Blue laws are loved by both sides.
 
2012-10-12 09:40:17 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:

[www.policemotorunits.com image 440x604]

Cops today:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 566x425]

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?


Since the US became enemy territory.
 
2012-10-12 09:40:24 PM

tbear00304: Digitalstrange: Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.

To be techinical, methamphetamine is a schedule II controlled substance, much like other amphetamines, and can be prescribed and dispensed...at least in the state of Michigan.


This man is correct. If you're under the supervision of a doctor, and you have symptoms that methamphetamine treats, you can get a prescription for Desoxyn. Even then, they'll choose about anything else. I have ADD, and the drug has never been brought up as a treatment option at my doctor's office.

However, you're never going to get a doctor to give you the sort of dose that people use to get high.

Also, there are plenty of legal alternatives. There's nothing of meth's strength, though.

Care to venture a guess as to why?

Actually, screw the guess. I'll tell you. No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.
 
2012-10-12 09:42:04 PM
Also, no mention of the smoking hot 12 year old in the article's pic?
 
2012-10-12 09:42:19 PM

Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.


Jack Daniel's.
 
2012-10-12 09:43:42 PM

pedrop357: Also, no mention of the smoking hot 12 year old in the article's pic?


Yes, but they all got removed by the mods.
 
2012-10-12 09:44:14 PM

OgreMagi: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Alcohol is legal but if you do something stupid while drunk you go to jail. Decriminalizing something is not the same as removing responsibility.


So, include responsibility. I am game, and so are the rest of the humans in America. Seriously.

Please decriminalize at least.

Thank you.

*)
 
2012-10-12 09:45:51 PM

Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to fark the ...


I was going to let you slide, because you have clearly been through some shiat. Then I remembered that I'm out of sudafed and I'm not going to make it to the pharmacy before it closes. I used to be able to buy it 24/7 at wal-mart, now my sinuses are going to be farking with me all night, and its your damned fault, you pathetic, whimpering little victim. You will never be safe! The law can not protect you! The only thing that comes close to protecting you is you, so you're probably farked. Now stop hasseling EVERYONE else because you cant manage to rinse the sand out of your vaj and drive on.

In closing, fark YOU!! The wrong kid died.
 
2012-10-12 09:46:14 PM
Drugs are not a danger to anyone who isn't using them, so why is it somehow justified to risk innocent lives to stop people from doing them?
 
2012-10-12 09:46:55 PM

doglover: Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.

Jack Daniel's.


One shot?
 
2012-10-12 09:49:27 PM

pedrop357: special20: xcv: Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

Nice troll, but unraveled by the fact that meth labs leave very detectible trace evidence. There's really no need to conduct smash and grab raids on private property in such a manner.

Reads like sarcasm, not trolling.


Oh, gee, there goes my whole point. Shucks.

/sarcasm
 
2012-10-12 09:50:38 PM

Marine1: doglover: Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.

Jack Daniel's.

One shot?


If it were legal, I would produce it. $ = $.
 
2012-10-12 09:53:50 PM

Marine1: tbear00304: Digitalstrange: Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.

To be techinical, methamphetamine is a schedule II controlled substance, much like other amphetamines, and can be prescribed and dispensed...at least in the state of Michigan.

This man is correct. If you're under the supervision of a doctor, and you have symptoms that methamphetamine treats, you can get a prescription for Desoxyn. Even then, they'll choose about anything else. I have ADD, and the drug has never been brought up as a treatment option at my doctor's office.

However, you're never going to get a doctor to give you the sort of dose that people use to get high.

Also, there are plenty of legal alternatives. There's nothing of meth's strength, though.

Care to venture a guess as to why?

Actually, screw the guess. I'll tell you. No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.


I've seen it prescribed once. Insurance paid for it too. Expensive drug. 5mg cash price runs like 25 dollars per pill. Manufactured by Lundbeck
 
2012-10-12 09:57:12 PM

Hale-Bopp: Yeah, that poor girl is likely going to have PTSD for the rest of her life.


She'll never trust a cop, anyway. Good to learn that lesson early.
 
2012-10-12 09:58:22 PM
because if there is one thing that can easily be flushed down the toilet and destroyed forever as evidence within the short time it would take to knock, announce, and wait a few seconds for a response, it is an entire f*cking meth lab they claimed was in there.
judge, I need a no knock warrant because valuable evidence will be destroyed within the 20 seconds it takes to knock, announce and wait a reasonable amount of time for a response, so instead of giving the perp time to hit his meth lab with his disinitragtor ray gun, I'd like to throw a bunch of grenades into the home while everyone is sleeping. how about f*ck you.

people just throwing grenades into our houses. because someone might want to ingest something that someone else isn't interested in ingesting.
normal everyday insanity in america.
how are we actually dumb enough to do this to ourselves? I know we are super dim, and terrorists can be scary at times, but how did we decide this shiat was ever kosher for anyone not holding a dozen hostages or planning to blow up the world trade center?
 
2012-10-12 10:00:01 PM

Marine1: Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example:

Throw grenades into a bedroom where children are sleeping, where there is no crime being committed.
 
2012-10-12 10:03:06 PM

thisisarepeat: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to ...


No, fark you.

Did I say I wanted you to never get cold medicine again? No.
Did I say I wanted all substances banned? No.
Fark, I live in an area where I have to sign the sheet for cold medicine. It's farking annoying. I'm just as sick of it as you are.

All I know is this: there are retards out there who go and get high on ice. These people are ridiculously stupid and would not go to some government-run facility to get high, because honestly, they don't give a fark what happens when they are using. The guy who murdered those two women smoked some meth and drove to farking Edgerton, Missouri from the KC suburb of Parkville, MO. That's a 40 minute drive, which I found out by driving to the memorial service. He then sat outside the house for a few more hours until the time the sun was starting to come up so he could go inside and screw a woman who was engaged to a man who she had two children with. When things went awry, he murdered a friend of mine and her half-sister. Now there are three children who will never know their mothers.

The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

Breaking down doors of innocent families with stormtrooper cops isn't the answer. Neither is telling these people "here's where you suck on the ice pipe". They don't care. Honestly, if they did, they probably wouldn't be using methamphetamine.
 
2012-10-12 10:06:09 PM

Marine1: doglover: Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.

Jack Daniel's.

One shot?


A single shot is not a "dose" unless you're a teenage girl.
 
2012-10-12 10:11:36 PM

Marine1: The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?


wait, is your argument that because some might negligently endanger others while high even if drugs were legal that the entire clusterf*ck war on drugs and and their attendant asinine limits on personal autonomy and resultant death and destruction caused by a militarized police force and artificially created black market are justified?
 
2012-10-12 10:13:51 PM
A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

Now, as to the injury to the child, there should have been surveillance on that house for quite a bit of time prior to the warrant being served. They should have known exactly who entered, what they had to eat, and how many times they took a crap... not knowing there were children or moving in knowing there were children is unacceptable.
 
2012-10-12 10:14:39 PM

pedrop357: TheBigJerk: It's "libertarians" who support stop-and-frisk but attack wall street regulations, it's "liberals" who refuse to vote for anyone who isn't perfectly aligned with their positions, it's "independents" who choose and stick with one party no matter what that party does, it's "conservatives" who feel that if we only would go "back" to our imaginary christian nation roots and legalize lynching and blue laws again the police would suddenly be like Andy Griffith "again."

2/10

I'll agree that liberals are surprisingly monolithic and inflexible about their position and accepting any alternatives and that conservatives do like to talk about religious roots a lot. You'll find few, if any, conservatives who really support lynching. You'll find even fewer libertarians who support stop and frisk. Blue laws are loved by both sides.


Libertarians are fine with parts and processes that lead to the militarization of police and most of them don't care about authoritarian oppression that doesn't affect them or people they care about. And only religious conservatives are for religion-based laws. See Ron Paul.
 
2012-10-12 10:16:31 PM
"blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.
 
2012-10-12 10:18:31 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.


So they blew up a kid over marijuana?
 
2012-10-12 10:18:39 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab.


You underestimate the human capacity for stupidity.

Not saying you're wrong, maybe the "meth lab" part WAS made up/miscommunicated. But never underestimate people's capacity for stupidity.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:19 PM

vodka: "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.


Many older homes used nails before the age of cordless power drills. I've hung drywall using nails. More touch-up work required, and the heads can pop out if the house shifts, but it used to be the norm.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:45 PM

vodka: "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.


Nails are cheaper. Any pre-fab home will have nails. Any place done by a contractor pinching pennies will have nails.
Screw are preferred, but certainly not the standard.
 
2012-10-12 10:24:07 PM

ReverendJasen: vodka: "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.

Nails are cheaper. Any pre-fab home will have nails. Any place done by a contractor pinching pennies will have nails.
Screw are preferred, but certainly not the standard.


Also the lazy man's choice I should think, nail guns are faster and easier than screwdrivers.

Though I've only worked with drywall once, and that was some time ago.
 
2012-10-12 10:25:58 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

Now, as to the injury to the child, there should have been surveillance on that house for quite a bit of time prior to the warrant being served. They should have known exactly who entered, what they had to eat, and how many times they took a crap... not knowing there were children or moving in knowing there were children is unacceptable.



how much you want to bet there aren't cops dumb enough out there to do this? really, how much asshole?


Twenty-seven years ago, on May 13, 1985 at 5:20 p.m., a blue and white Pennsylvania State Police helicopter took off from the command post's flight pad at 63rd and Walnut, flew a few times over 6221 Osage Avenue, and then hovered 60 feet above the two-story house in the black, middle-class West Philadelphia neighborhood. Lt. Frank Powell, chief of Philadelphia's bomb disposal unit, was holding a canvas bag containing a bomb consisting of two sticks of Tovex TR2 with C-4. After radioing firefighters on the ground and lighting the bomb's 45-second fuse-and with the official approval of Mayor W. Wilson Goode and at the insistence of Police Commissioner Gregore Sambor-Powell tossed the bomb, at precisely 5:28 p.m., onto a bunker on the roof.
 
2012-10-12 10:26:59 PM
www.poundmag.com
 
2012-10-12 10:27:25 PM

Marine1: thisisarepeat: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found him ...


Be thankful you don't live in Oregon. If you want cold/allergy medication that contains pseudoephedrine you must first get a prescription from your doctor. If you don't have insurance that means paying for the doctor's office visit, plus the prescription itself.
 
2012-10-12 10:28:09 PM

Marine1: thisisarepeat: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found him ...


I agree that subsidized meth themed chucky cheese joints are a farking retarded idea. But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun. What should be our primary concern is getting barney out of his god damned juggernaut suit and back walking kids across the farking street where he belongs.
 
2012-10-12 10:29:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?


Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.


TheBigJerk: Not saying you're wrong, maybe the "meth lab" part WAS made up/miscommunicated. But never underestimate people's capacity for stupidity.


You may think what you want about police but honestly answer this, do you think they just want to die serving a warrant? Probably not...cooking meth is so prevalent that every department from NYPD to Mayberry know exactly what to do in the case of a suspected lab.
 
2012-10-12 10:31:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

Not when the police do it, apparently. When they do it it's called "being tough on crime".

/jackbooted thugs


FTFA: We certainly did our homework...

No you f*cking didn't. If there were a meth lab in there it could have blown the entire house up.
 
2012-10-12 10:33:30 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?

Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.



you are the real scum here.
 
2012-10-12 10:34:58 PM

GanjSmokr: This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.


On that, we can all agree.
 
2012-10-12 10:38:59 PM

pxlboy: M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.

It's Barney Fife playing soldier, nothing more.


Barney Fife playing Gomer Pile?
 
2012-10-12 10:39:34 PM

relcec: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

Now, as to the injury to the child, there should have been surveillance on that house for quite a bit of time prior to the warrant being served. They should have known exactly who entered, what they had to eat, and how many times they took a crap... not knowing there were children or moving in knowing there were children is unacceptable.


how much you want to bet there aren't cops dumb enough out there to do this? really, how much asshole?


Twenty-seven years ago, on May 13, 1985 at 5:20 p.m., a blue and white Pennsylvania State Police helicopter took off from the command post's flight pad at 63rd and Walnut, flew a few times over 6221 Osage Avenue, and then hovered 60 feet above the two-story house in the black, middle-class West Philadelphia neighborhood. Lt. Frank Powell, chief of Philadelphia's bomb disposal unit, was holding a canvas bag containing a bomb consisting of two sticks of Tovex TR2 with C-4. After radioing firefighters on the ground and lighting the bomb's 45-second fuse-and with the official approval of Mayor W. Wilson Goode and at the insistence of Police Commissioner Gregore Sambor-Powell tossed the bomb, at precisely 5:28 p.m., onto a bunker on the roof.


The MOVE fiasco in 1985? Yes, this was a horribly stupid idea that was never tried before or since that I know of.
 
2012-10-12 10:40:03 PM

relcec: Marine1: The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

wait, is your argument that because some might negligently endanger others while high even if drugs were legal that the entire clusterf*ck war on drugs and and their attendant asinine limits on personal autonomy and resultant death and destruction caused by a militarized police force and artificially created black market are justified?


Not much of a reader, are you?

"Breaking down doors of innocent families with stormtrooper cops isn't the answer."- the post you responded to.
 
2012-10-12 10:40:58 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?

Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.


I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times.
 
2012-10-12 10:42:29 PM

Marine1: relcec: Marine1: The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

wait, is your argument that because some might negligently endanger others while high even if drugs were legal that the entire clusterf*ck war on drugs and and their attendant asinine limits on personal autonomy and resultant death and destruction caused by a militarized police force and artificially created black market are justified?

Not much of a reader, are you?

"Breaking down doors of innocent families with stormtrooper cops isn't the answer."- the post you responded to.


I got the impression you felt that breaking down the doors of guilty families with storm trooper cops was the answer.
 
2012-10-12 10:47:19 PM
Lots of cop hate in this thread.

Hey, I know in this case they made a mistake, but they're obviously very sorry, and I'll bet if you think about it, even the most jaded among you will admit that there are times when such militaristic measures - or even harsher action is completely warranted.

For instance, I know of a place right there in Billings that at this moment is brimming with every kind of drug and arms imaginable, where heavily armed, callous thugs that have no respect for the law or their fellow human beings come and go at will, day and night, and the neighbors don't dare breathe a word.

How would you feel if you had to deal with a situation like that?
 
2012-10-12 10:49:04 PM

Amos Quito: How would you feel if you had to deal with a situation like that?


Awesome!
 
2012-10-12 10:49:54 PM

thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.


Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.
 
2012-10-12 10:52:10 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.



Oops,

I hope I didn't commit a BAD with that last post...

FORGIVE ME MODS!!!!
 
2012-10-12 10:53:58 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times


Again, you are assuming they were looking for a lab. That is what she said. Based on the description of events, they were looking for a dealer...there is nothing in that report that says they didn't find them.
 
2012-10-12 10:55:10 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?

Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.

I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times.


he's the dude that argued that the militarization of the police and the war against our own citizens was the answer to a social and clinical problem. he still argues that, even after all this shiat.

he's the dude who comes out against the legalization of marijuana with the rest of the police union every time it comes up for a vote anywhere.

he's probably also the guy who helps maintains that blue line because it's just so f*cking hard to be an honest cop.

he's also the guy who got into the police force because he gets off on walking around with a gun and the legal license to put his knee down on his own brothers neck.

I'm quite convinced scary meth guy would leave us all the F*ck alone if Sargent dipshiat hadn't managed to convince half of the country that he was in fact a dangerous and evil breed of man who needed to have war declared on him and to be hunted down like a f*cking terrorist who intended to blow up a plane full of first graders.
 
2012-10-12 10:57:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: GanjSmokr: This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.

On that, we can all agree.


Which and whose?
 
2012-10-12 11:00:34 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times

Again, you are assuming they were looking for a meth lab. That is what she said. Based on the description of events, they were looking for a dealer...there is nothing in that report that says they didn't find them.


No, I'm not assuming they were looking for a lab. You stated that they were not. Then you defended their actions by describing and justifying the actions required for TAKING DOWN A METH LAB. If they were not, then there was no reason to go full tactical meltdown on them. If they WERE taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG. If they were NOT taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG.
 
2012-10-12 11:02:16 PM

relcec: he's the dude that argued that the militarization of the police and the war against our own citizens was the answer to a social and clinical problem. he still argues that, even after all this shiat.

he's the dude who comes out against the legalization of marijuana with the rest of the police union every time it comes up for a vote anywhere.

he's probably also the guy who helps maintains that blue line because it's just so f*cking hard to be an honest cop.

he's also the guy who got into the police force because he gets off on walking around with a gun and the legal license to put his knee down on his own brothers neck.

I'm quite convinced scary meth guy would leave us all the F*ck alone if Sargent dipshiat hadn't managed to convince half of the country that he was in fact a dangerous and evil breed of man who needed to have war declared on him and to be hunted down like a f*cking terrorist who intended to blow up a plane full of first graders.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't just a troll and respond.

1) i don't recall saying any of that and it doesn't sound like something I would say.
2) I have said many times I am actually for legalizing it
3) whatever
4) see #3
5) yeah...wow...I guess see #3?
 
2012-10-12 11:02:47 PM
What are the cops doing throwing a flash grenade into a home they suspect is a meth lab?

They're lying.

This was about something else.
 
2012-10-12 11:03:06 PM

phrawgh: derp


imageshack.us
 
2012-10-12 11:08:03 PM
s11.postimage.org
 
2012-10-12 11:08:59 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times

Again, you are assuming they were looking for a meth lab. That is what she said. Based on the description of events, they were looking for a dealer...there is nothing in that report that says they didn't find them.

No, I'm not assuming they were looking for a lab. You stated that they were not. Then you defended their actions by describing and justifying the actions required for TAKING DOWN A METH LAB. If they were not, then there was no reason to go full tactical meltdown on them. If they WERE taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG. If they were NOT taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG.


Based on the "facts" of the article I did not defend them but rather give my opinion of what I think really happened. In the end, I criticized their tactics, meth lab or not. I pointed out two facts. Only the lady that lived there said "meth lab" and no one without a death-wish would do what they did if it was in fact a meth lab.
 
2012-10-12 11:09:51 PM

ProfessorOhki: I mean, it's not like meth labs are prone to exploding or anything. No, by all means, start your assault by detonating an explosive in one. Make sure you're close enough to be holding it on a stick though. So much face

napalm.

FTFY.

Bathia_Mapes: You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.


I'm sure if any of the inhabitants survived the explosion, they'd be charged with murder or attempted murder because of the police officers' incompetence.
 
2012-10-12 11:10:16 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Based on the "facts" of the article I did not defend them but rather give my opinion of what I think really happened. In the end, I criticized their tactics, meth lab or not. I pointed out two facts. Only the lady that lived there said "meth lab" and no one without a death-wish would do what they did if it was in fact a meth lab.


Fair enough.

/peace on you
 
2012-10-12 11:10:32 PM
Drug war = expensive drugs = violence
 
2012-10-12 11:12:02 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Based on the "facts" of the article I did not defend them but rather give my opinion of what I think really happened. In the end, I criticized their tactics, meth lab or not. I pointed out two facts. Only the lady that lived there said "meth lab" and no one without a death-wish would do what they did if it was in fact a meth lab.

Fair enough.

/peace on you


We cool? Fist bump?
 
2012-10-12 11:12:12 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /peace on you


That came out wrong. No insult intended. Sorry.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:16 PM

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: GanjSmokr: This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.

On that, we can all agree.

Which and whose?


That it's unacceptable, nothing will change, and things like this will keep happening.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:51 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: We cool? Fist bump?


*Bump*
 
2012-10-12 11:18:06 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: SWAT teams are granted exceptional weaponry and access to exceptional training and tactics. Accordingly, they should be held to an exceptional standard.

Every member of the team involved in this raid should be charged and tried for breaking and entering and felony assault.


You obviously don't know how this shiat works.
 
2012-10-12 11:21:34 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.

Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.


WTF!? Sure i'll write up reports and you do my boss's taxes. You wanted the job, you do it. You want to be the guy enforcing lifestyle violations, you deal with the crap that comes with it.
 
2012-10-12 11:22:20 PM
Marine1

All I know is this: there are retards out there who go and get high on ice. These people are ridiculously stupid and would not go to some government-run facility to get high, because honestly, they don't give a fark what happens when they are using. The guy who murdered those two women smoked some meth and drove to farking Edgerton, Missouri from the KC suburb of Parkville, MO. That's a 40 minute drive, which I found out by driving to the memorial service. He then sat outside the house for a few more hours until the time the sun was starting to come up so he could go inside and screw a woman who was engaged to a man who she had two children with. When things went awry, he murdered a friend of mine and her half-sister. Now there are three children who will never know their mothers.

The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?


Screw decrim. Legalize the standard amphetamines, e.g., benzedrine/dexedrine and sell them OTC, at just above cost, and plow the profit back into treatment (it isn't like they haven't been sold OTC, before). Same with all other substances (excepting antibiotics). Then the control of such things as meth become much more manageable malignancies. Instead of farking with the innocent, fark the (mis)user. Anyone caught supplying a minor? 10yr mandatory minimum. Anyone, who, under the influence of a clinically significant amount of ANY substance (cognac/Heroin/valium, etc.) interferes with the life or liberty of a fellow citizen? minimum 10yr. mandatory sentence (plus the time for the actual crime).

If one wishes to have the wife chain one to a tree in the yard and guzzle down a fifth of Vodak? Fine. Shoot Heroin (it only costs ~10cents to produce a dose - how much do we spend to keep each dose from being used?), ok by me, just get it on with the pulmonary edema in one's own bathroom. Sure, some would die - but that's their choice - I'm not gonna tackle some whale who is eating what might be the fatal slice of pizza (oh, lock him up! He's going to take an infarct!) and don't look to me to approve of saving anyone from his/herself by farking over the rest of us.

Let me tell you about meth in Missouri. We've had a couple of 5gal. paint cans of `cook' leftovers dumped in our woods (nice toxic mess). Every week I walk the road along our property and pick up the trash out of the ditches (in boonies on a dip in the road - good place not to be seen). Had a pretty full bag of gunk that included, disposed of, `diabetic' syringes. Dep. Sheriff tools by and stops. Asks who/what/where/why (ok) then asks to look at the trash in the bag. He spies the syringes and it's `up against the car' (paraphernalia, don't ya know) . If the Sheriff, who I know, hadn't shown up the `depity' would have probably hauled me off to town. Fark this BS. Better a thousand dead junkies (than one innocent citizen being hassled, injured or killed).

/Carrie Nation is dead, get over it already
 
2012-10-12 11:27:35 PM

Crazy Lee: Marine1

All I know is this: there are retards out there who go and get high on ice. These people are ridiculously stupid and would not go to some government-run facility to get high, because honestly, they don't give a fark what happens when they are using. The guy who murdered those two women smoked some meth and drove to farking Edgerton, Missouri from the KC suburb of Parkville, MO. That's a 40 minute drive, which I found out by driving to the memorial service. He then sat outside the house for a few more hours until the time the sun was starting to come up so he could go inside and screw a woman who was engaged to a man who she had two children with. When things went awry, he murdered a friend of mine and her half-sister. Now there are three children who will never know their mothers.

The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

Screw decrim. Legalize the standard amphetamines, e.g., benzedrine/dexedrine and sell them OTC, at just above cost, and plow the profit back into treatment (it isn't like they haven't been sold OTC, before). Same with all other substances (excepting antibiotics). Then the control of such things as meth become much more manageable malignancies. Instead of farking with the innocent, fark the (mis)user. Anyone caught supplying a minor? 10yr mandatory minimum. Anyone, who, under the influence of a clinically significant amount of ANY substance (cognac/Heroin/valium, etc.) interferes with the life or liberty of a fellow citize ...


I'd rather just see meth cookers caned in public. We need shame in society. I think jail does little to actually change a person.
 
2012-10-12 11:29:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: We cool? Fist bump?

*Bump*


Huh, you two argued, came to see each others point of view and left on friendly terms. There's a glimmer of hope...
 
2012-10-12 11:31:40 PM

Crazy Lee: Let me tell you about meth in Missouri. We've had a couple of 5gal. paint cans of `cook' leftovers dumped in our woods (nice toxic mess). Every week I walk the road along our property and pick up the trash out of the ditches (in boonies on a dip in the road - good place not to be seen). Had a pretty full bag of gunk that included, disposed of, `diabetic' syringes. Dep. Sheriff tools by and stops. Asks who/what/where/why (ok) then asks to look at the trash in the bag. He spies the syringes and it's `up against the car' (paraphernalia, don't ya know) . If the Sheriff, who I know, hadn't shown up the `depity' would have probably hauled me off to town. Fark this BS. Better a thousand dead junkies (than one innocent citizen being hassled, injured or killed).


Proof that no good deed goes unpunished.

/good on ya, bro
 
2012-10-12 11:31:59 PM

thisisarepeat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.

Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.

WTF!? Sure i'll write up reports and you do my boss's taxes. You wanted the job, you do it. You want to be the guy enforcing lifestyle violations, you deal with the crap that comes with it.


Really? Are you a troll or ignorant? (That isn't rhetorical btw please do answer)
 
2012-10-12 11:34:37 PM

Katolu: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: We cool? Fist bump?

*Bump*

Huh, you two argued, came to see each others point of view and left on friendly terms. There's a glimmer of hope...


fark that guy he's a douchewagon

/douchewagon?
//it's a wagon that I guess carries douches?
///dude, that is the worst insult ever...
////fark you slashies I was trying to be cool
//you failed
 
2012-10-12 11:39:59 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: fark that guy he's a douchewagon


That was my second choice for a FARK monicker.

/chicken caesars are cruel
 
2012-10-12 11:47:37 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: fark that guy he's a douchewagon

That was my second choice for a FARK monicker.

/chicken caesars are cruel


in case you haven't met him:

Link
 
2012-10-12 11:57:57 PM

Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?

I almost wish it was a meth lab so the SWAT-thugs might learn something.


Like looking for landmines with a small hammer....
 
2012-10-13 12:00:49 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.

Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.

WTF!? Sure i'll write up reports and you do my boss's taxes. You wanted the job, you do it. You want to be the guy enforcing lifestyle violations, you deal with the crap that comes with it.

Really? Are you a troll or ignorant? (That isn't rhetorical btw please do answer)


I must be ignorant because i have a pretty conservative haircut.

false choice fallacy?
 
2012-10-13 12:00:58 AM

Mad-n-FL: Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?

I almost wish it was a meth lab so the SWAT-thugs might learn something.

Like looking for landmines with a small hammer....


with snow-shoes
 
2012-10-13 12:02:02 AM
img209.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-13 12:04:33 AM

thisisarepeat: brain vomit


Yeah...well that didn't narrow it down any...am still 60/40 on one side.
 
2012-10-13 12:06:30 AM

doglover: Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?



People who've never passed high school chemistry without copying answers off their neighbor.


In other words, cops.
 
2012-10-13 12:13:25 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: in case you haven't met him:

Link


I see. So you take your entertainment and your nom de plume from a poor misunderstood Dickensian tragedian. I shall be investigating further misadventures. You sir are NO Sir Digby Chicken Caesar.

/love Ginger
 
2012-10-13 12:19:38 AM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


I think you're perfect. i wouldn't want there to be any doubts in your mind when your brother thugs start hitting IEDs with a Crown Vic... And, when that Chicago Liar steals the election, I have faith that you will find out what 5 lbs of home made C-4 and a copper plate penetrator does to some skinhead, bloused booted, 'roided porker.

Do you think the PD will send the parts home, so they came claim he/she/it went EOW?

 
2012-10-13 12:21:17 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: cop apologist bullshiat


I'm not shocked that you're confused
 
2012-10-13 12:40:09 AM
Jesus lady, clean your house.
 
2012-10-13 12:46:14 AM
The family should be charged with tampering with evidence. They hid the lab then put decoy children in the house thereby endangering the police.

This should be like DWI. If you refuse the breath test (in our country) you still charged with DWI. Hide the meth lab - still get charged with producing.

99 years in jail and forfeit the house.

.
 
2012-10-13 12:50:38 AM
Same as it ever was.

\and people scoff at anarchy
\\yeah, that'd be much worse /snark
 
2012-10-13 01:00:46 AM
"St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside."

You get an 'F' on your homework then.
 
2012-10-13 01:11:44 AM
>> Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good >> junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

Cool, so if they wanted to get rid of all the 'suspected' meth labs, all the cops would have to do is knock on the door.... Heh, no search warrant needed just to knock...
 
2012-10-13 01:49:03 AM

Amos Quito: Lots of cop hate in this thread.

Hey, I know in this case they made a mistake, but they're obviously very sorry, and I'll bet if you think about it, even the most jaded among you will admit that there are times when such militaristic measures - or even harsher action is completely warranted.

For instance, I know of a place right there in Billings that at this moment is brimming with every kind of drug and arms imaginable, where heavily armed, callous thugs that have no respect for the law or their fellow human beings come and go at will, day and night, and the neighbors don't dare breathe a word.

How would you feel if you had to deal with a situation like that?


No-knocks all too often hurt or kill innocents. That simply is unacceptable unless there's an overriding reason--and the only one I see are hostages. Otherwise, forget it.

Yeah, the house you describe probably couldn't be taken down safely by the cops walking up to the door. You're simply assuming there are no other choices and I disagree.

Instead of the cop walking up to the door how about a robot? Sure, the bad guys can shoot. It can be armored and even if the bad guys manage to overcome that it's only a robot. Sure, it will be slower but if they're doing enough no-knocks that the time involved is a big deal something is very wrong in the first place.

To overcome the destruction of evidence issue how about a change in the law: If the cops have a warrant for <X> and the cameras observe you destroying what appears to be <X> when the cops show up that there is a presumption that it was <X>. I would also have no problem with the robot having tasers and/or tear gas.

Crazy Lee: Screw decrim. Legalize the standard amphetamines, e.g., benzedrine/dexedrine and sell them OTC, at just above cost, and plow the profit back into treatment (it isn't like they haven't been sold OTC, before). Same with all other substances (excepting antibiotics).


Not just antibiotics, but any any-infection medicine. Resistance is a problem with all of them. Malaria used to be no big deal with quinine, now there are strains resistant to almost everything and some counterfeit drug producers are making matters worse by making weak versions of the last drug left.
 
2012-10-13 02:07:14 AM
Libs wonder why so many right wingers are in a tizzy thinking we're going to need our firearms soon. THIS is why. We are going to need them. Not necessarily against the Feds but against the police.
 
2012-10-13 02:32:46 AM
When their dog chasing me in the street: "Don't hurt the dog, or we will shoot you!". When they arrive at my house: shoot my dog.
 
2012-10-13 02:35:13 AM
No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

I'll bet the "evidence" that these storm trooper farkups collected was a package of Benadryl from the medicine cabinet.
 
2012-10-13 03:21:44 AM

richard_1963: No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

I'll bet the "evidence" that these storm trooper farkups collected was a package of Benadryl from the medicine cabinet.


When they decline to release any information about what they found doing something, that's always a huge red flag.
 
2012-10-13 03:26:46 AM

pxlboy: If you're not wealthy or politically-connected (to the right people), you're target practice. Doubly-so if you're brown.


Nope, they fark the politically connected, too. This was a major brouhaha near my area a few years ago. SWAT farking raiding a Maryland Mayor's house, killed his dogs, all because they didn't do any investigative work beforehand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor's_reside nc e_drug_raid

Since the Mayor settled with a non disclosure agreement, we'll never know how much they had to pay. Note that all of the follow up "investigations" found no wrongdoing.
 
2012-10-13 04:42:19 AM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.


I didn't read the article, but did they throw the grenade in while breaching, indicating that they're idiots? Or did they throw the grenade in prior to breaching and hang back a bit, indicating that they're jerks who tried to blow up a meth lab? I'm not really sure there's a good answer.
 
2012-10-13 06:51:14 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Libs wonder why so many right wingers are in a tizzy thinking we're going to need our firearms soon. THIS is why. We are going to need them. Not necessarily against the Feds but against the police.


It wasn't "libs" who launched the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.

It wasn't "libs" who yelled "Scary Mooselimbs!" to justify equipping police departments with ever more military gear.

It isn't "libs" who said to the 1988 Republican Convention, "Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the Ay See Ell Yoo!" And it certainly wasn't "libs" who joined Pat Robertson in booing that horrible idea.
 
2012-10-13 08:11:43 AM
Cops should change the slogan on their cars to "Protecting our Pensions"
 
2012-10-13 09:00:46 AM

Amos Quito: Lots of cop hate in this thread.

Hey, I know in this case they made a mistake, but they're obviously very sorry, i>

FTFA: A claims process has already been started with the city. St. John said it's not an overnight process, but it does determine if the Police Department needs to make restitution.

"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that

Nope. Not sorry at all. In fact, not willing to even admit wrongdoing until they are forced. For buring a child. Which they did.

 
2012-10-13 09:03:20 AM
Nope. Not sorry at all. In fact, not willing to even admit wrongdoing until they are forced. For buring a child. Which they did.

Should not have been in italics.
 
2012-10-13 09:35:18 AM

clyph: Waiting for CruiserTwelve to come and tell us why this is entirely reasonable police procedure and why the officers involved showed restraint and good judgement.


I usually side with law enforcement, but these cases are happening way too much. Research before the raid seems to be universally nonexistent...and thats completely unacceptable.
 
2012-10-13 10:21:28 AM

Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to fark the ...


I've done alot of drugs. Meth didn't make him kill anyone. He is just a miserable coont, and should be executed accordingly.
 
2012-10-13 10:44:02 AM

Cast: Marine1: ...

I've done alot of drugs. Meth didn't make him kill anyone. He is just a miserable coont, and should be executed accordingly.


Correct, the only drug that actually 'makes' you do anything are dissociatives like PCP, and that's is really high doses.
 
2012-10-13 11:43:51 AM
No knock warrants of the future, cops turning off your water prior so you cant flush anything.
 
2012-10-13 11:47:09 AM

c4rr0tc4k3: No knock warrants of the future, cops turning off your water prior so you cant flush anything.


You have one flush left when the water goes. Use it wisely.

Or keep a full bucket next to the can.
 
2012-10-13 01:59:25 PM
Jesus. You know I'd almost rather have MS13 policing the neighborhood than these assholes.
 
2012-10-13 04:08:23 PM

Cast: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to ...


You really think a guy with no violent past carries that sort of shiat out without some sort of push over the edge?
 
2012-10-13 04:53:05 PM

Old Smokie: Jesus. You know I'd almost rather have MS13 policing the neighborhood than these assholes.


You can believe that if MS13 pulled that shiat someone would at least be punished.
 
2012-10-13 06:39:17 PM
Next time someone posts an anecdote about a helpful cop my response will be "isolated incident".
 
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