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2012-10-12 09:40:24 PM

tbear00304: Digitalstrange: Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.

To be techinical, methamphetamine is a schedule II controlled substance, much like other amphetamines, and can be prescribed and dispensed...at least in the state of Michigan.


This man is correct. If you're under the supervision of a doctor, and you have symptoms that methamphetamine treats, you can get a prescription for Desoxyn. Even then, they'll choose about anything else. I have ADD, and the drug has never been brought up as a treatment option at my doctor's office.

However, you're never going to get a doctor to give you the sort of dose that people use to get high.

Also, there are plenty of legal alternatives. There's nothing of meth's strength, though.

Care to venture a guess as to why?

Actually, screw the guess. I'll tell you. No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.
 
2012-10-12 09:42:04 PM
Also, no mention of the smoking hot 12 year old in the article's pic?
 
2012-10-12 09:42:19 PM

Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.


Jack Daniel's.
 
2012-10-12 09:43:42 PM

pedrop357: Also, no mention of the smoking hot 12 year old in the article's pic?


Yes, but they all got removed by the mods.
 
2012-10-12 09:44:14 PM

OgreMagi: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Alcohol is legal but if you do something stupid while drunk you go to jail. Decriminalizing something is not the same as removing responsibility.


So, include responsibility. I am game, and so are the rest of the humans in America. Seriously.

Please decriminalize at least.

Thank you.

*)
 
2012-10-12 09:45:51 PM

Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to fark the ...


I was going to let you slide, because you have clearly been through some shiat. Then I remembered that I'm out of sudafed and I'm not going to make it to the pharmacy before it closes. I used to be able to buy it 24/7 at wal-mart, now my sinuses are going to be farking with me all night, and its your damned fault, you pathetic, whimpering little victim. You will never be safe! The law can not protect you! The only thing that comes close to protecting you is you, so you're probably farked. Now stop hasseling EVERYONE else because you cant manage to rinse the sand out of your vaj and drive on.

In closing, fark YOU!! The wrong kid died.
 
2012-10-12 09:46:14 PM
Drugs are not a danger to anyone who isn't using them, so why is it somehow justified to risk innocent lives to stop people from doing them?
 
2012-10-12 09:46:55 PM

doglover: Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.

Jack Daniel's.


One shot?
 
2012-10-12 09:49:27 PM

pedrop357: special20: xcv: Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

Nice troll, but unraveled by the fact that meth labs leave very detectible trace evidence. There's really no need to conduct smash and grab raids on private property in such a manner.

Reads like sarcasm, not trolling.


Oh, gee, there goes my whole point. Shucks.

/sarcasm
 
2012-10-12 09:50:38 PM

Marine1: doglover: Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.

Jack Daniel's.

One shot?


If it were legal, I would produce it. $ = $.
 
2012-10-12 09:53:50 PM

Marine1: tbear00304: Digitalstrange: Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.

To be techinical, methamphetamine is a schedule II controlled substance, much like other amphetamines, and can be prescribed and dispensed...at least in the state of Michigan.

This man is correct. If you're under the supervision of a doctor, and you have symptoms that methamphetamine treats, you can get a prescription for Desoxyn. Even then, they'll choose about anything else. I have ADD, and the drug has never been brought up as a treatment option at my doctor's office.

However, you're never going to get a doctor to give you the sort of dose that people use to get high.

Also, there are plenty of legal alternatives. There's nothing of meth's strength, though.

Care to venture a guess as to why?

Actually, screw the guess. I'll tell you. No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.


I've seen it prescribed once. Insurance paid for it too. Expensive drug. 5mg cash price runs like 25 dollars per pill. Manufactured by Lundbeck
 
2012-10-12 09:57:12 PM

Hale-Bopp: Yeah, that poor girl is likely going to have PTSD for the rest of her life.


She'll never trust a cop, anyway. Good to learn that lesson early.
 
2012-10-12 09:58:22 PM
because if there is one thing that can easily be flushed down the toilet and destroyed forever as evidence within the short time it would take to knock, announce, and wait a few seconds for a response, it is an entire f*cking meth lab they claimed was in there.
judge, I need a no knock warrant because valuable evidence will be destroyed within the 20 seconds it takes to knock, announce and wait a reasonable amount of time for a response, so instead of giving the perp time to hit his meth lab with his disinitragtor ray gun, I'd like to throw a bunch of grenades into the home while everyone is sleeping. how about f*ck you.

people just throwing grenades into our houses. because someone might want to ingest something that someone else isn't interested in ingesting.
normal everyday insanity in america.
how are we actually dumb enough to do this to ourselves? I know we are super dim, and terrorists can be scary at times, but how did we decide this shiat was ever kosher for anyone not holding a dozen hostages or planning to blow up the world trade center?
 
2012-10-12 10:00:01 PM

Marine1: Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example:

Throw grenades into a bedroom where children are sleeping, where there is no crime being committed.
 
2012-10-12 10:03:06 PM

thisisarepeat: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to ...


No, fark you.

Did I say I wanted you to never get cold medicine again? No.
Did I say I wanted all substances banned? No.
Fark, I live in an area where I have to sign the sheet for cold medicine. It's farking annoying. I'm just as sick of it as you are.

All I know is this: there are retards out there who go and get high on ice. These people are ridiculously stupid and would not go to some government-run facility to get high, because honestly, they don't give a fark what happens when they are using. The guy who murdered those two women smoked some meth and drove to farking Edgerton, Missouri from the KC suburb of Parkville, MO. That's a 40 minute drive, which I found out by driving to the memorial service. He then sat outside the house for a few more hours until the time the sun was starting to come up so he could go inside and screw a woman who was engaged to a man who she had two children with. When things went awry, he murdered a friend of mine and her half-sister. Now there are three children who will never know their mothers.

The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

Breaking down doors of innocent families with stormtrooper cops isn't the answer. Neither is telling these people "here's where you suck on the ice pipe". They don't care. Honestly, if they did, they probably wouldn't be using methamphetamine.
 
2012-10-12 10:06:09 PM

Marine1: doglover: Marine1: No company wants to be in charge of making a consumer product that turns people batshiat insane and removes the clarity of mind to the point that you can murder someone after one dose.

Jack Daniel's.

One shot?


A single shot is not a "dose" unless you're a teenage girl.
 
2012-10-12 10:11:36 PM

Marine1: The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?


wait, is your argument that because some might negligently endanger others while high even if drugs were legal that the entire clusterf*ck war on drugs and and their attendant asinine limits on personal autonomy and resultant death and destruction caused by a militarized police force and artificially created black market are justified?
 
2012-10-12 10:13:51 PM
A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

Now, as to the injury to the child, there should have been surveillance on that house for quite a bit of time prior to the warrant being served. They should have known exactly who entered, what they had to eat, and how many times they took a crap... not knowing there were children or moving in knowing there were children is unacceptable.
 
2012-10-12 10:14:39 PM

pedrop357: TheBigJerk: It's "libertarians" who support stop-and-frisk but attack wall street regulations, it's "liberals" who refuse to vote for anyone who isn't perfectly aligned with their positions, it's "independents" who choose and stick with one party no matter what that party does, it's "conservatives" who feel that if we only would go "back" to our imaginary christian nation roots and legalize lynching and blue laws again the police would suddenly be like Andy Griffith "again."

2/10

I'll agree that liberals are surprisingly monolithic and inflexible about their position and accepting any alternatives and that conservatives do like to talk about religious roots a lot. You'll find few, if any, conservatives who really support lynching. You'll find even fewer libertarians who support stop and frisk. Blue laws are loved by both sides.


Libertarians are fine with parts and processes that lead to the militarization of police and most of them don't care about authoritarian oppression that doesn't affect them or people they care about. And only religious conservatives are for religion-based laws. See Ron Paul.
 
2012-10-12 10:16:31 PM
"blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.
 
2012-10-12 10:18:31 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.


So they blew up a kid over marijuana?
 
2012-10-12 10:18:39 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab.


You underestimate the human capacity for stupidity.

Not saying you're wrong, maybe the "meth lab" part WAS made up/miscommunicated. But never underestimate people's capacity for stupidity.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:19 PM

vodka: "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.


Many older homes used nails before the age of cordless power drills. I've hung drywall using nails. More touch-up work required, and the heads can pop out if the house shifts, but it used to be the norm.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:45 PM

vodka: "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.


Nails are cheaper. Any pre-fab home will have nails. Any place done by a contractor pinching pennies will have nails.
Screw are preferred, but certainly not the standard.
 
2012-10-12 10:24:07 PM

ReverendJasen: vodka: "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

Who the fark uses nails for drywall? Screws are the norm.

Nails are cheaper. Any pre-fab home will have nails. Any place done by a contractor pinching pennies will have nails.
Screw are preferred, but certainly not the standard.


Also the lazy man's choice I should think, nail guns are faster and easier than screwdrivers.

Though I've only worked with drywall once, and that was some time ago.
 
2012-10-12 10:25:58 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

Now, as to the injury to the child, there should have been surveillance on that house for quite a bit of time prior to the warrant being served. They should have known exactly who entered, what they had to eat, and how many times they took a crap... not knowing there were children or moving in knowing there were children is unacceptable.



how much you want to bet there aren't cops dumb enough out there to do this? really, how much asshole?


Twenty-seven years ago, on May 13, 1985 at 5:20 p.m., a blue and white Pennsylvania State Police helicopter took off from the command post's flight pad at 63rd and Walnut, flew a few times over 6221 Osage Avenue, and then hovered 60 feet above the two-story house in the black, middle-class West Philadelphia neighborhood. Lt. Frank Powell, chief of Philadelphia's bomb disposal unit, was holding a canvas bag containing a bomb consisting of two sticks of Tovex TR2 with C-4. After radioing firefighters on the ground and lighting the bomb's 45-second fuse-and with the official approval of Mayor W. Wilson Goode and at the insistence of Police Commissioner Gregore Sambor-Powell tossed the bomb, at precisely 5:28 p.m., onto a bunker on the roof.
 
2012-10-12 10:26:59 PM
www.poundmag.com
 
2012-10-12 10:27:25 PM

Marine1: thisisarepeat: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found him ...


Be thankful you don't live in Oregon. If you want cold/allergy medication that contains pseudoephedrine you must first get a prescription from your doctor. If you don't have insurance that means paying for the doctor's office visit, plus the prescription itself.
 
2012-10-12 10:28:09 PM

Marine1: thisisarepeat: Marine1: xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.

Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

[www.stjosephpost.com image 624x468]

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found him ...


I agree that subsidized meth themed chucky cheese joints are a farking retarded idea. But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun. What should be our primary concern is getting barney out of his god damned juggernaut suit and back walking kids across the farking street where he belongs.
 
2012-10-12 10:29:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?


Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.


TheBigJerk: Not saying you're wrong, maybe the "meth lab" part WAS made up/miscommunicated. But never underestimate people's capacity for stupidity.


You may think what you want about police but honestly answer this, do you think they just want to die serving a warrant? Probably not...cooking meth is so prevalent that every department from NYPD to Mayberry know exactly what to do in the case of a suspected lab.
 
2012-10-12 10:31:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

Not when the police do it, apparently. When they do it it's called "being tough on crime".

/jackbooted thugs


FTFA: We certainly did our homework...

No you f*cking didn't. If there were a meth lab in there it could have blown the entire house up.
 
2012-10-12 10:33:30 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?

Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.



you are the real scum here.
 
2012-10-12 10:34:58 PM

GanjSmokr: This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.


On that, we can all agree.
 
2012-10-12 10:38:59 PM

pxlboy: M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.

It's Barney Fife playing soldier, nothing more.


Barney Fife playing Gomer Pile?
 
2012-10-12 10:39:34 PM

relcec: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

Now, as to the injury to the child, there should have been surveillance on that house for quite a bit of time prior to the warrant being served. They should have known exactly who entered, what they had to eat, and how many times they took a crap... not knowing there were children or moving in knowing there were children is unacceptable.


how much you want to bet there aren't cops dumb enough out there to do this? really, how much asshole?


Twenty-seven years ago, on May 13, 1985 at 5:20 p.m., a blue and white Pennsylvania State Police helicopter took off from the command post's flight pad at 63rd and Walnut, flew a few times over 6221 Osage Avenue, and then hovered 60 feet above the two-story house in the black, middle-class West Philadelphia neighborhood. Lt. Frank Powell, chief of Philadelphia's bomb disposal unit, was holding a canvas bag containing a bomb consisting of two sticks of Tovex TR2 with C-4. After radioing firefighters on the ground and lighting the bomb's 45-second fuse-and with the official approval of Mayor W. Wilson Goode and at the insistence of Police Commissioner Gregore Sambor-Powell tossed the bomb, at precisely 5:28 p.m., onto a bunker on the roof.


The MOVE fiasco in 1985? Yes, this was a horribly stupid idea that was never tried before or since that I know of.
 
2012-10-12 10:40:03 PM

relcec: Marine1: The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

wait, is your argument that because some might negligently endanger others while high even if drugs were legal that the entire clusterf*ck war on drugs and and their attendant asinine limits on personal autonomy and resultant death and destruction caused by a militarized police force and artificially created black market are justified?


Not much of a reader, are you?

"Breaking down doors of innocent families with stormtrooper cops isn't the answer."- the post you responded to.
 
2012-10-12 10:40:58 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?

Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.


I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times.
 
2012-10-12 10:42:29 PM

Marine1: relcec: Marine1: The "decriminalization" and giving them a place to use is fine if the brand of drug user cares. This guy didn't care. Twice before he had been pulled over for driving while under the influence of alcohol. Twice. You know that "decriminalization with a place to use" concept being proposed here? He had that for alcohol. It's called a bar. He took that privilege and abused it. So, knowing that he took a decriminalized drug and used it to ill effect before, what in the hell makes you think guys like this are going to go speedfreaking in a re-purposed jail?

wait, is your argument that because some might negligently endanger others while high even if drugs were legal that the entire clusterf*ck war on drugs and and their attendant asinine limits on personal autonomy and resultant death and destruction caused by a militarized police force and artificially created black market are justified?

Not much of a reader, are you?

"Breaking down doors of innocent families with stormtrooper cops isn't the answer."- the post you responded to.


I got the impression you felt that breaking down the doors of guilty families with storm trooper cops was the answer.
 
2012-10-12 10:47:19 PM
Lots of cop hate in this thread.

Hey, I know in this case they made a mistake, but they're obviously very sorry, and I'll bet if you think about it, even the most jaded among you will admit that there are times when such militaristic measures - or even harsher action is completely warranted.

For instance, I know of a place right there in Billings that at this moment is brimming with every kind of drug and arms imaginable, where heavily armed, callous thugs that have no respect for the law or their fellow human beings come and go at will, day and night, and the neighbors don't dare breathe a word.

How would you feel if you had to deal with a situation like that?
 
2012-10-12 10:49:04 PM

Amos Quito: How would you feel if you had to deal with a situation like that?


Awesome!
 
2012-10-12 10:49:54 PM

thisisarepeat: But you will never get rid of meth, it ridiculous to even try. Let the shiatheads die in the alley or at the muzzle of some homeowners gun.


Too hard, don't do it fallacy? You write up the domestic assault report because the daughter stabbed mom when she wouldn't hand over the good silver so she and her shiathead boyfriend could pawn it for meth. Mom doesn't want to press charges because that was her precious little baby so long ago...

I have certain issues with our drug laws, but shiat like this needs to be addressed.
 
2012-10-12 10:52:10 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.



Oops,

I hope I didn't commit a BAD with that last post...

FORGIVE ME MODS!!!!
 
2012-10-12 10:53:58 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times


Again, you are assuming they were looking for a lab. That is what she said. Based on the description of events, they were looking for a dealer...there is nothing in that report that says they didn't find them.
 
2012-10-12 10:55:10 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: A few things:

The only reference to "meth lab" was from the lady who lived there. There is no law enforcement agency on the planet that would throw any sort of incendiary device into a meth lab. Hell, we are told if you happen into one just get the fark out and establish a perimeter. So I seriously doubt the accuracy of that claim.

So they blew up a kid over marijuana?

Obviously I have no idea why they entered the house. I can only give my personal perspective on this scenario. Regardless of what you might read on fark, no-knocks are not taken lightly. I can't recall the last one we did. A neighboring jurisdiction does a few a year and I get the after action reports on them. They always boil down to the same common theme, get in so fast because these particular people will shoot you if you approach slow.

Now, I don't know how many people on here have actually dealt with meth users and especially dealers before. They are a special breed of people...they don't care about anything but meth...period.

I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times.


he's the dude that argued that the militarization of the police and the war against our own citizens was the answer to a social and clinical problem. he still argues that, even after all this shiat.

he's the dude who comes out against the legalization of marijuana with the rest of the police union every time it comes up for a vote anywhere.

he's probably also the guy who helps maintains that blue line because it's just so f*cking hard to be an honest cop.

he's also the guy who got into the police force because he gets off on walking around with a gun and the legal license to put his knee down on his own brothers neck.

I'm quite convinced scary meth guy would leave us all the F*ck alone if Sargent dipshiat hadn't managed to convince half of the country that he was in fact a dangerous and evil breed of man who needed to have war declared on him and to be hunted down like a f*cking terrorist who intended to blow up a plane full of first graders.
 
2012-10-12 10:57:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: GanjSmokr: This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.

On that, we can all agree.


Which and whose?
 
2012-10-12 11:00:34 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I don't disagree with your comment about meth users and dealers, but you contradicted yourself as you claimed that you doubted the accuracy of the report that they were looking for a meth lab. Either they were, or they weren't. I'm sure the details were in the warrant. And I agree with everything that relcec said, except for calling you an asshole. He gets passionate sometimes. But these are passionate times

Again, you are assuming they were looking for a meth lab. That is what she said. Based on the description of events, they were looking for a dealer...there is nothing in that report that says they didn't find them.


No, I'm not assuming they were looking for a lab. You stated that they were not. Then you defended their actions by describing and justifying the actions required for TAKING DOWN A METH LAB. If they were not, then there was no reason to go full tactical meltdown on them. If they WERE taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG. If they were NOT taking down a meth lab, they DID IT WRONG.
 
2012-10-12 11:02:16 PM

relcec: he's the dude that argued that the militarization of the police and the war against our own citizens was the answer to a social and clinical problem. he still argues that, even after all this shiat.

he's the dude who comes out against the legalization of marijuana with the rest of the police union every time it comes up for a vote anywhere.

he's probably also the guy who helps maintains that blue line because it's just so f*cking hard to be an honest cop.

he's also the guy who got into the police force because he gets off on walking around with a gun and the legal license to put his knee down on his own brothers neck.

I'm quite convinced scary meth guy would leave us all the F*ck alone if Sargent dipshiat hadn't managed to convince half of the country that he was in fact a dangerous and evil breed of man who needed to have war declared on him and to be hunted down like a f*cking terrorist who intended to blow up a plane full of first graders.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't just a troll and respond.

1) i don't recall saying any of that and it doesn't sound like something I would say.
2) I have said many times I am actually for legalizing it
3) whatever
4) see #3
5) yeah...wow...I guess see #3?
 
2012-10-12 11:02:47 PM
What are the cops doing throwing a flash grenade into a home they suspect is a meth lab?

They're lying.

This was about something else.
 
2012-10-12 11:03:06 PM

phrawgh: derp


imageshack.us
 
2012-10-12 11:08:03 PM
s11.postimage.org
 
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