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(Billings Gazette)   SWAT team raids home seeking non-existent meth lab. Lousy homeowners upset that their daughter was burned by a flash grenade instead of grateful no one was killed   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 202
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2012-10-12 08:14:37 PM
However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade........
It was totally unforeseen


Those fools are trained so poorly that they don't know how their equipment works and you couldn't see this coming? I'll take an order of stupid with stupid sauce on top, please.
 
2012-10-12 08:14:40 PM
Nobody was killed? Those SWAT boys are getting soft. I blame Obama.
 
2012-10-12 08:15:12 PM
Yeah, that poor girl is likely going to have PTSD for the rest of her life.
 
2012-10-12 08:16:17 PM
Look at the bright side; when they actually find a meth lab and use one of those boomsticks, they'll probably blow themselves to hell.
 
2012-10-12 08:16:23 PM

dittybopper: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Then don't use grenades near meth labs, idiot.


FARKING THIS. I mean, it's not like meth labs are prone to exploding or anything. No, by all means, start your assault by detonating an explosive in one. Make sure you're close enough to be holding it on a stick though. So much facepalm.
 
2012-10-12 08:16:49 PM

LeGnome: Nobody was killed? Those SWAT boys are getting soft. I blame Obama.


I know you're joking about the Obama part, but on the other hand, how much of the gear those officers were wearing was paid for using federal funds? Will the state or local governments come under federal investigation for this?

The answers, in order, are: At least some of it, and absolutely not.
 
2012-10-12 08:17:23 PM

Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

Like this asshole did.


In any given population of people living, you will find a small tidbit who are capable of this violence, so remove the monetary incentive and provide active and instructive treatment techniques for addicts, and I suspect you will find cheaper relief than a drug war that endangers more than it saves.
 
2012-10-12 08:17:28 PM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.
 
2012-10-12 08:20:24 PM

Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.



No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.
 
2012-10-12 08:21:53 PM

macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.


There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.
 
2012-10-12 08:22:00 PM
SWAT teams are granted exceptional weaponry and access to exceptional training and tactics. Accordingly, they should be held to an exceptional standard.

Every member of the team involved in this raid should be charged and tried for breaking and entering and felony assault.

If we're going to have assholes with heavy weaponry kicking in doors and starting gun fights in residential neighborhoods over recreational drug use, the least we could have to go with it is a reasonable measure of accountability to assure these idiots at least stick to their targets.
 
2012-10-12 08:24:03 PM

Indubitably: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

Like this asshole did.

In any given population of people living, you will find a small tidbit who are capable of this violence, so remove the monetary incentive and provide active and instructive treatment techniques for addicts, and I suspect you will find cheaper relief than a drug war that endangers more than it saves.


How's that for a complete sentence?

*)
 
2012-10-12 08:25:43 PM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Those fools are trained so poorly that they don't know how their equipment works and you couldn't see this coming? I'll take an order of stupid with stupid sauce on top, please.


A well-trained officer of the law utilizes appropriate force on a dangerous assailant by picking the correct tool for the job (no clicky because it shows a human being being murdered in cold blood by a violent animal with a badge):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlfNNiwoa_E

/ this idiot's "defense" at his murder trial was that he thought he had his taser out
 
2012-10-12 08:40:28 PM
Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.
 
2012-10-12 08:41:12 PM

Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.


What? So if marijuana laws were repealed, methamphetamine would become legal?
 
2012-10-12 08:42:15 PM
If the cop with the flashbang didn't know there was a delay, it sounds like the "SWAT" unit was an untrained rabble, which pretty much negates the reason for calling them in.
 
2012-10-12 08:43:29 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:

[www.policemotorunits.com image 440x604]

Cops today:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 566x425]

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?


You do know what NorthCOM is? Right?
 
2012-10-12 08:44:35 PM
Time to roast a farking pig. I hope the settlement bankrupts the whole damn state. These motherfarkers need to be sent a damn message.
 
2012-10-12 08:45:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.


Collusion?
 
2012-10-12 08:45:54 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.


Absolute farking stupidity and arrogance.
 
2012-10-12 08:46:40 PM

Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.


We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.
 
2012-10-12 08:46:58 PM

MrHappyRotter: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Why was jigger's post and image removed? It was a photo FROM THE ARTICLE.

Absolute farking stupidity and arrogance.


Which is ironic, given the subject matter of this thread.
 
xcv
2012-10-12 08:48:11 PM

Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.


Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.
 
2012-10-12 08:49:44 PM

Calmamity: Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again.


Heh. Heheh. AHAHAhAhAhAAAaaaaaaaa!

No. Just like shoplifting, any amount won in a civil suit will get passed directly to the paying customers. The taxpayers, in this case.

And the wheels will grind on...
 
2012-10-12 08:49:54 PM
When is it ever a good idea to toss a grenade into a meth lab? Those things blow themselves sky high even without help. If it had been an actual meth lab, you'd be risking killing everyone inside and outside of it.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-12 08:54:46 PM

xcv: Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.


Nice troll, but unraveled by the fact that meth labs leave very detectible trace evidence. There's really no need to conduct smash and grab raids on private property in such a manner.
 
2012-10-12 08:56:17 PM
Lots of flammable stuff in a meth lab. Best to start digging in the front yard and hand them the shovel when they come out.

/Pinkman rulez.
 
2012-10-12 08:59:03 PM

Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.


Alcohol is legal but if you do something stupid while drunk you go to jail. Decriminalizing something is not the same as removing responsibility.
 
2012-10-12 08:59:14 PM

jjorsett: When is it ever a good idea to toss a grenade into a meth lab? Those things blow themselves sky high even without help. If it had been an actual meth lab, you'd be risking killing everyone inside and outside of it.

[i49.tinypic.com image 414x310]


Don't forget, most cops are morons.
 
2012-10-12 08:59:20 PM
Bunch of pussies. Lucky that instead they didnt catch a willie pete.
 
2012-10-12 09:06:03 PM

Rug Doctor: I have a small amount of experience with SWAT through my job and friends who are cops. The guys on those teams range from ex-special forces badasses to people who shouldn't even be greeters at Walmart. SWAT definitely doesn't always mean "elite".


A lot of teams tend towards the latter also because of bureaucratic shiat and hoops to jump through. I have a friend who was EOD in the Army back in the first Gulf dust up, and then did it for awhile after doing things like working with the Secret Service on bomb duty and so on. Perfect record, honorable discharge, all that jazz. Sounds like maybe a good candidate for a SWAT team. Indeed he was contacted by the local PD who wanted him... However first he'd have to do traffic duty, then patrol, etc, etc. Long and short of it was he'd have to go be a normal cop for around 5 years before he'd be allowed to try for the SWAT team. He decided that 5 years of his skills dulling in a job he didn't want was silly, and he'd pursue employment on other interests (IT in this case).

Rather than a situation of "find people who have the skills, then spend time training them as a cop (POST and that sort of thing," it was an attitude of "Work as a cop for many years, then try for it if you want."

Also plenty of times these days it isn't really "SWAT" as in an actual special group dedicated to such things. Many police departments have tons of money that went to gear from anti-drug and anti-terror funding and so they literally have an AR and body armour for every cop. So when they decide it needs to be a bust-in raid, normal cops will just suit up and do it.
 
2012-10-12 09:07:49 PM
In terms of danger cops are below the top ten spots.

If they are breaking into possible meth labs, ect how do they do it?

They are passing the risks to the the public. Maybe being a police officer needs to become a little more dangerous if they are not going to loose aggression for getting at criminals.

If you hear me saying i want more police to die I am asking you how you feel about supporting burnt children for police safety.

/Or they could start knocking a bit more.

//Flashbangs in a methlab? LOL.
 
2012-10-12 09:10:22 PM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


4/10. "E" for "Effort" but really, you're trying to play devil's advocate when the Devil kicked a puppy.
 
2012-10-12 09:11:04 PM
Throwing a flash-bang into a farking METH HOUSE ARE YOU FU( KING INSANE?? Do you know why those things blow up all the farking time?? BECAUSE METH HOUSES ARE FARKING ASPLODEY! Broken lightbulbs can make them go boom. Random sparks. Cigarettes. What is this I don't even...

Yes I know this wasn't a meth house. Which brings me to my second point: Throwing a flash-bang into a farking CHILD'S BEDROOM ARE YOU FARKING INSANE??

The stupid... The jack booted thuggary... The farking stupid...

Did I mention the stupid? Because there is no one on this police force involved in this situation that is not farking to stupid to be allowed out in public.
 
2012-10-12 09:13:10 PM
`Nothing to see, here, citizen, move along, smartly, now.'

Just add the kid to the list: http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Hey, it's a `war', most folks were `drafted' into service at birth (born in `72 or later), shouldn't anyone wounded get free treatment, anyone `collateralized' be afforded a flag draped coffin and death benefits?

/oh, that's right, `think of the children'
//I bet the girl feels oh, so much better for that...
 
2012-10-12 09:26:29 PM

Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.


Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.
 
2012-10-12 09:27:05 PM
It sounds like there are a couple of Farkers over in TFA comments. If so, if someone is registered to comment on that site, could you pretty please go say how farking stupid it would be to toss a flash-bang into a meth house? Because in 68 comments, not one person mentioned how insane it would be to toss a flash-bang into a meth house.

Unless of course you're looking to kill everyone inside and possibly take out a good chunk of the neighborhood as well.
 
2012-10-12 09:29:23 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:

[www.policemotorunits.com image 440x604]

Cops today:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 566x425]

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?


When the hippies turned into yuppies, when rural and urban were abandoned in favor of suburban, when globalization changed tariffs into free trade agreements, when the boomers got off of the lawns, bought their own, and started being upset at the damn kids who had the audacity to do all the shiat they used to do.

It's profiteering by prisons and manufacturers and drug-dealers and politicians, it's scared suburbanites hiding from the people they used to be, it's a drug trade bolstered by ever-improving technology, it's a population that has been told in no uncertain terms they will never be allowed to advance and are lucky to even HAVE a job trying to find escape from a society that openly hates their youth, it's a police force of barking dogs given shiatty jobs and the only perk being fancy toys and permission to enact the occasional beating.

It's "libertarians" who support stop-and-frisk but attack wall street regulations, it's "liberals" who refuse to vote for anyone who isn't perfectly aligned with their positions, it's "independents" who choose and stick with one party no matter what that party does, it's "conservatives" who feel that if we only would go "back" to our imaginary christian nation roots and legalize lynching and blue laws again the police would suddenly be like Andy Griffith "again."
 
2012-10-12 09:30:11 PM

xcv: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.

Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.


No drug war racket, no meth racket. Yes it is that simple.

There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Too bad they have to smoke meth covertly, which leaves them free to go crazy. If drugs were legal junkies could check themselves into a specialized facility where they could get their high of choice under supervision, and not be at risk of getting robbed, raped or hurting anybody else while out of their mind.

A similar policy of safe zones dramatically reduced OD deaths in European countries with heroin epidemics. Such facilities already exist in the USA in the form of local jails, just need to update their purpose.


Or they could not smoke it in the first place.

I'm not paying a bunch of guards and psychiatrists to supervise a bunch of speed freaks when they could be doing far more constructive things for people who don't purposefully jack up their lives. Second, let's look at the guy who killed my high school friend, Ashley Key:

www.stjosephpost.com

Do you really think this guy is going to go to a facility to smoke meth? FFS, the guy's rapsheet before he was arrested for killing Ashley and Britny consisted of DUIs. That means he couldn't figure out that you're not supposed to drink before driving. He's going to go smoke meth in a facility the day he calls a taxi to get home from the bar, which, as it turns out, didn't happen... *looks up Missouri Case.Net*... at least twice. Even after that, the guy doesn't go to a councilor or to a rehab facility, of which there are plenty.

Most of these people are too dumb to realize they have a problem, and ol' Slingblade here didn't think he had one until he found himself trying to fark the corpse of a young woman (who he just killed) at sunrise while her two children were sleeping in a crib a few feet away and her half-sister was lying dead out in the living room. That's the issue. I don't care if someone smokes weed or drinks alcohol, because people consume that stuff regularly without offing productive members of our society. Meth, on the other hand, causes people to go off the reservation and commit murder.
 
2012-10-12 09:30:27 PM
Wow. Really??? 87 comments and no

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-12 09:30:55 PM

phrawgh: Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.

We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.


2/10

You're trying way too hard.
 
2012-10-12 09:31:13 PM
fark the police

Even their responses are horrific. I guess it's OK to use light explosives against adults always, or at least only when you have the right address. I guess it's OK to scar and burn people for being the subject of a warrant.

Of course if you have the wrong address, you may end up using them against adults, children, infants, the elderly, pets, etc.

Too bad the police are in such a rush to conduct the raid that they end up at the wrong address. It's pretty pathetic that I put more effort into verifying that I'm at the right address for a house party then the police do when deploying armor clad storm troopers with automatic weapons and light explosives.

fark the police
 
2012-10-12 09:34:06 PM
Does anyone know if Obamacare covers flash grenade burns?
 
2012-10-12 09:34:50 PM

special20: xcv: Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

Nice troll, but unraveled by the fact that meth labs leave very detectible trace evidence. There's really no need to conduct smash and grab raids on private property in such a manner.


Reads like sarcasm, not trolling.
 
2012-10-12 09:35:34 PM

Digitalstrange: Marine1: There's still the problem of people using it. In that case, it'd be without the possibility of punishment.

Again. Weed's fine. Meth is not.

Meth is the modern equivilent of bathtub Gin.It is cheaply and poorly made without quality control and It only persists because there isn't a legal option. People continue to use it despite the health hazzards and it's somewhat unpleasant nature because there isn't a legal option.


To be techinical, methamphetamine is a schedule II controlled substance, much like other amphetamines, and can be prescribed and dispensed...at least in the state of Michigan.
 
2012-10-12 09:35:53 PM

phrawgh: Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.

We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.


The stupid...it burns sooooo much.
 
2012-10-12 09:37:31 PM

MilkIt: phrawgh: Bathia_Mapes: phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

You do realize that if there had been a meth lab present in the home the flash grenade could have caused it to explode, right? The explosion would have very likely caused significant injury to both the family members in the home AND the police officers.

We have to win the war on drugs as the future of America and our children depend on it. As in any war there will always be innocent casualties. I do not care if there was a roach in the ash tray, the entire household should be incarcerated and receive outreach counseling from local religious organizations so these people have a chance at turning their lives around. For all we know the girl had one of those portable meth labs near her causing the burns. The police are in the middle of the investigation so they can't come out with all the facts and possibly mess up the case. Once all this blows over and the media attention dies down, I'm sure the police will be able to do what they need to do without the prying eyes and ridicule of the public and dopeheads.

The stupid...it burns sooooo much like a flash-bang in a little girl's bed.


FTFY
 
2012-10-12 09:37:59 PM

HempHead: Does anyone know if Obamacare covers flash grenade burns?


Yes, but since doctors will no longer be able to afford to doc, the only thing you'll get out of it is an addiction to generic painkillers prescribed by the Mexican pharmacists we'll have to import to do the jobs that Americans won't do.
 
2012-10-12 09:39:45 PM

TheBigJerk: It's "libertarians" who support stop-and-frisk but attack wall street regulations, it's "liberals" who refuse to vote for anyone who isn't perfectly aligned with their positions, it's "independents" who choose and stick with one party no matter what that party does, it's "conservatives" who feel that if we only would go "back" to our imaginary christian nation roots and legalize lynching and blue laws again the police would suddenly be like Andy Griffith "again."


2/10

I'll agree that liberals are surprisingly monolithic and inflexible about their position and accepting any alternatives and that conservatives do like to talk about religious roots a lot. You'll find few, if any, conservatives who really support lynching. You'll find even fewer libertarians who support stop and frisk. Blue laws are loved by both sides.
 
2012-10-12 09:40:17 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:

[www.policemotorunits.com image 440x604]

Cops today:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 566x425]

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?


Since the US became enemy territory.
 
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