St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."

Fark all of you. Your "homework" wasn't even good enough to determine if it was an actual meth house, much less whether there were children inside.


Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters

Take 'em to the farkin cleaners.

/No knock warrants are disgusting

"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

No knock raids are fu*king jackbooted Nazi bullsh*t.

Nazi bullsh*t? In my country?

farking horrible. This kid's gonna be scarred for life. PTSD, who knows what else.

Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again.

"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Then don't use grenades near meth labs, idiot.

That's some fine police work there, Police Chief Rich St. John

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

Not when the police do it, apparently. When they do it it's called "being tough on crime".

/jackbooted thugs

protip: don't live nextdoor to a meth lab.

serial_crusher: protip: don't live nextdoor to a meth lab.

My neighbors just returned the "Are you cooking meth in your house?" survey card I sent out, but they all checked "undecided"

FTFA: A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level.


Family sounds like a bunch of primitive screw-heads who didn't listen up.

No family pets were killed, I think they should consider themselves lucky.

So its like legitimate rape?
It's legal if the police do it?

Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

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Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...

M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.

It's Barney Fife playing soldier, nothing more.

Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...

Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.

I don't disagree with you at all. What I mean is, the genie is already out of the bottle. These kinds of things are going to happen more, not less frequently.

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, the proper response to a suspected meth lab is to send in SWAT and toss grenades into the house as the first course of action?

And they wonder why we think police and SWAT are assholes.

If you're not wealthy or politically-connected (to the right people), you're target practice. Doubly-so if you're brown.

Heroes, every damn one of them.

if the law enforcement professionals involved had any values or morals they would quit today, apologize for what they've done and try to make something out of their miserable POS lives.

KrispyKritter: Heroes, every damn one of them.

if the law enforcement professionals involved had any values or morals they would quit today, apologize for what they've done and try to make something out of their miserable POS lives.

But they won't, because the job attracts assholes.

Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?



People who've never passed high school chemistry without copying answers off their neighbor.

Arcturus72: FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..

If the family is smart, they've gone with a high-powered big city attorney who is used to handling these kinds of cases, not the local friend-of-the-family law partner. They're going to need a guy who knows how to quash the probably illegally acquired evidence that has nothing to do with the no-knock meth lab warrant, but which might well succeed in scaring off a general practice lawyer with no experience in how these things work. When the cops' attorney threatens to charge them with the half dozen Valiums daughter had in her book bag, they need a lawyer to wave the copy of the search warrant at them and say, "You mean the Valiums that aren't covered on your warrant to search for products of the meth lab?" or somesuch in proper legalese.

They could get someone to do it for a 1/3 contingency fee.

I was at Fort Hunter-Liggett,, near San Luis Obispo at annual National Guard training and saw my Platoon Sergeant get wounded almost identically to the injuries in the photo provided by jigger. We were attacked by OPFORS at about 3am, and a flash-bang was thrown on his sleeping bag. He was in a hasty firing position next to it in his skivvies, saw it and believing it to be a smoke grenade, attempted to shake it off (so he didn't have to pay for his damaged sleeping bag) when it went off. His injuries were severe enough to put him in the hospital, and he couldn't return to work for another month. It also blew the hell out of his fartsack.

Flash-bangs are not small. They're basically grenades without large shrapnel. This family has a legitimate grievance.