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(Billings Gazette)   SWAT team raids home seeking non-existent meth lab. Lousy homeowners upset that their daughter was burned by a flash grenade instead of grateful no one was killed   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 202
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2012-10-12 04:11:20 PM
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."


Fark all of you. Your "homework" wasn't even good enough to determine if it was an actual meth house, much less whether there were children inside.


Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters

Take 'em to the farkin cleaners.

/No knock warrants are disgusting
 
2012-10-12 04:21:51 PM
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.
 
2012-10-12 04:23:45 PM
No knock raids are fu*king jackbooted Nazi bullsh*t.

Nazi bullsh*t? In my country?
 
2012-10-12 04:24:06 PM
farking horrible. This kid's gonna be scarred for life. PTSD, who knows what else.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.


It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:49 PM
Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again.
 
2012-10-12 04:28:37 PM
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Then don't use grenades near meth labs, idiot.
 
2012-10-12 04:30:43 PM
No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered PLANTED during the search. St. John declined to release specifics . . . . . . .
 
2012-10-12 04:31:14 PM
That's some fine police work there, Police Chief Rich St. John
 
2012-10-12 04:31:57 PM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.


Not when the police do it, apparently. When they do it it's called "being tough on crime".

/jackbooted thugs
 
2012-10-12 05:32:50 PM
protip: don't live nextdoor to a meth lab.
 
2012-10-12 05:36:47 PM

serial_crusher: protip: don't live nextdoor to a meth lab.


My neighbors just returned the "Are you cooking meth in your house?" survey card I sent out, but they all checked "undecided"
 
2012-10-12 07:01:35 PM
FTFA: A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level.


Family sounds like a bunch of primitive screw-heads who didn't listen up.
 
2012-10-12 07:17:51 PM
No family pets were killed, I think they should consider themselves lucky.
 
2012-10-12 07:47:21 PM
Drug war needs to be over, now.
 
2012-10-12 07:48:29 PM
Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)
 
2012-10-12 07:49:33 PM
So its like legitimate rape?
It's legal if the police do it?
 
2012-10-12 07:50:52 PM

Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)


I am poor=low violence.

I am rich=high violence.

Human/money math.

Ugly business.

Remand.
 
2012-10-12 07:50:59 PM
How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.
 
2012-10-12 07:51:12 PM

Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)


Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...
 
2012-10-12 07:51:38 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

I am poor=low violence.

I am rich=high violence.

Human/money math.

Ugly business.

Remand.


And remath.

*)
 
2012-10-12 07:51:53 PM

M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.


It's Barney Fife playing soldier, nothing more.
 
xcv
2012-10-12 07:52:08 PM
Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:09 PM
America's law enforcement, terrorizing one family after another, year after year after year.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:13 PM
Sounds like someone was trying to make quota. I wonder how much they lied to the judge to get to the warrant.
 
2012-10-12 07:53:44 PM

pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...


Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.
 
2012-10-12 07:53:49 PM
Waiting for CruiserTwelve to come and tell us why this is entirely reasonable police procedure and why the officers involved showed restraint and good judgement.
 
2012-10-12 07:54:00 PM

dittybopper: Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.


This.
I don't know how they got to thinking "We have to raid a suspected meth lab full of volatile chemicals" and concluded with "Lets start by throwing an explosive device at it!". But if they'd actually found what they were looking for, we'd now be talking about a half a dozen officers who set themselves on fire.
 
2012-10-12 07:55:17 PM
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

and

However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade when he tried to detonate it.

Let's see here. Non-existent meth lab, didn't know children were present, officers didn't understand how the grenade worked. Yep. Certainly sounds like they did plenty of homework.
 
2012-10-12 07:56:43 PM
FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..
 
2012-10-12 07:56:52 PM
Most law enforcement is above the law, and I mean that in a hovering sense...

*)
 
2012-10-12 07:58:47 PM
So, the proper response to a suspected meth lab is to send in SWAT and toss grenades into the house as the first course of action?

And they wonder why we think police and SWAT are assholes.
 
2012-10-12 07:59:00 PM
Cops in the 1950s:

www.policemotorunits.com

Cops today:

4.bp.blogspot.com

Since when did we turn loose the National Guard on the US?
 
2012-10-12 07:59:17 PM

Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...

Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.


I don't disagree with you at all. What I mean is, the genie is already out of the bottle. These kinds of things are going to happen more, not less frequently.
 
2012-10-12 08:00:28 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, the proper response to a suspected meth lab is to send in SWAT and toss grenades into the house as the first course of action?

And they wonder why we think police and SWAT are assholes.


If you're not wealthy or politically-connected (to the right people), you're target practice. Doubly-so if you're brown.
 
2012-10-12 08:00:55 PM
Heroes, every damn one of them.

if the law enforcement professionals involved had any values or morals they would quit today, apologize for what they've done and try to make something out of their miserable POS lives.
 
2012-10-12 08:01:27 PM
You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.
 
2012-10-12 08:01:53 PM
WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?

I almost wish it was a meth lab so the SWAT-thugs might learn something.
 
2012-10-12 08:02:03 PM

KrispyKritter: Heroes, every damn one of them.

if the law enforcement professionals involved had any values or morals they would quit today, apologize for what they've done and try to make something out of their miserable POS lives.


But they won't, because the job attracts assholes.
 
2012-10-12 08:02:15 PM

Calmamity: Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again. the town has to close down it's fire department.


/ftfy
 
2012-10-12 08:03:39 PM

Kit Fister: Cops in the 1950s:
www.policemotorunits.com
Cops today:


Authoritarians back then would have loved to have the "now" stuff.

The problem is now, as it always has been, that the bureaucracy in power always craves more power, and finds it advantageous to make it easier for thugs to become cops than honest people.
 
2012-10-12 08:03:43 PM

Smallberries: WHO the HELL throws a flash bang into a METH LAB?



People who've never passed high school chemistry without copying answers off their neighbor.
 
2012-10-12 08:06:11 PM

phrawgh: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.


The sad part is that there are actually people out there who truly believe this stuff.
 
2012-10-12 08:06:44 PM

Arcturus72: FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..


If the family is smart, they've gone with a high-powered big city attorney who is used to handling these kinds of cases, not the local friend-of-the-family law partner. They're going to need a guy who knows how to quash the probably illegally acquired evidence that has nothing to do with the no-knock meth lab warrant, but which might well succeed in scaring off a general practice lawyer with no experience in how these things work. When the cops' attorney threatens to charge them with the half dozen Valiums daughter had in her book bag, they need a lawyer to wave the copy of the search warrant at them and say, "You mean the Valiums that aren't covered on your warrant to search for products of the meth lab?" or somesuch in proper legalese.

They could get someone to do it for a 1/3 contingency fee.
 
2012-10-12 08:08:39 PM

Indubitably: Drug war needs to be over, now.


Marijuana? Sure.

Meth? No.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

Like this asshole did.
 
2012-10-12 08:08:47 PM
Well you know, to server and protect. And shoot dogs, grandmas and burn little girls. Brave men.
 
2012-10-12 08:09:11 PM

M11618: How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.


I have a small amount of experience with SWAT through my job and friends who are cops. The guys on those teams range from ex-special forces badasses to people who shouldn't even be greeters at Walmart. SWAT definitely doesn't always mean "elite".
 
2012-10-12 08:10:50 PM
I was at Fort Hunter-Liggett,, near San Luis Obispo at annual National Guard training and saw my Platoon Sergeant get wounded almost identically to the injuries in the photo provided by jigger. We were attacked by OPFORS at about 3am, and a flash-bang was thrown on his sleeping bag. He was in a hasty firing position next to it in his skivvies, saw it and believing it to be a smoke grenade, attempted to shake it off (so he didn't have to pay for his damaged sleeping bag) when it went off. His injuries were severe enough to put him in the hospital, and he couldn't return to work for another month. It also blew the hell out of his fartsack.

Flash-bangs are not small. They're basically grenades without large shrapnel. This family has a legitimate grievance.
 
2012-10-12 08:11:38 PM
This shiat is completely unacceptable, everyone will agree on that, yet nothing at all will change and things like this will keep happening.

It's insane.
 
2012-10-12 08:13:58 PM

pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: Remove the monetary incentive: remove the violence.

Money=violence.

That is all.

*)

Implying agencies and departments like this would relinquish their cash cows...

Yeah, and?

They are already well-funded, no?

Yes.

I don't disagree with you at all. What I mean is, the genie is already out of the bottle. These kinds of things are going to happen more, not less frequently.


No they aren't.

Police show restraint as trained.
 
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