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(CBS News)   Mother of the Year candidate who super-glued her kid to wall given 99 years in time out   (cbsnews.com) divider line 32
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2012-10-12 03:30:24 PM  
4 votes:
Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.
2012-10-12 05:57:00 PM  
3 votes:
I hate to say it, but part of me wonders if the mom wasnt also found guilty of looking like an illegal while in Texas. The woman desrves prison, a lot if it. But 99 years is absolutely insane.
2012-10-12 03:52:27 PM  
3 votes:

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


True...some people don't get enough time.
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2012-10-12 03:47:07 PM  
3 votes:

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


Naw, that sentence is totally fine. Shame we have to pay for it, though.
2012-10-12 07:19:34 PM  
2 votes:

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


She beat a 2 year old into a coma, what exactly is an appropriate punishment, in your learned legal opinion, for a woman that would beat a 2 year old toddler into a coma?

rocinante721: My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents


Let me tell you, If you're so farking stupid that you can't grasp the very basics of the physiology of potty training, turn your kid over to the state now. A kid can't be potty trained until the appropriate part of the spinal sheathe mylenates. It doesn't matter how much you beat them, how much you scream at them, or how much your ignorance screws them up for the rest of their lives, it's not going to happen until the neurology catches up. Please, for the sake of your child, put it into foster care now. I've potty trained 2 children and many, many adults and I have never gotten angry, only a sick ignorant fark would act so selfishly.
2012-10-12 06:11:45 PM  
2 votes:

rocinante721: My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents


If you can be sympathetic to a woman who beats her kid, I think you have a problem. I have two sons and I may have freaked a few times, but I NEVER, NEVER thought about something like this. Children are precious. They do not deserve to get hit! Though, I did think about velcro.
2012-10-12 06:09:44 PM  
2 votes:
This is a local story.. Basically, the mom could've pleaded to get less time, but she wanted to "tell her side" and in doing so continued to lie through her teeth. So, she got 99 years.
2012-10-12 03:58:03 PM  
2 votes:

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.



Well, to be fair, I did read another article that said mom was also a pot smoker.
2012-10-12 02:52:38 PM  
2 votes:
Jesus.

I mean, yeah, potty training sucks... But f*ck, eventually they figure it out.
2012-10-12 02:44:11 PM  
2 votes:
Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.
2012-10-12 10:38:34 PM  
1 votes:
23 years old
5 kids
beats one to an inch of death

I'd rather my taxes be pay her jail time as opposed to the public assistance checks for #6
2012-10-12 07:58:27 PM  
1 votes:

FraggleStickCar: I know that beating a 2 year old is pretty abhorrent, but 99 years? What does that solve exactly? What is it with people wanting the justice system to act as way to get vicarious revenge on people who upset them? Wouldn't it better for this person was given the years of therapy they need so they can reenter society?

Is that too compassionate and thoughtful? Is that not the world you want to live in? A world where we've shed the false good/evil dichotomy and thoughtfully respond to troubled people with kindness and compassion? Am I off the mark here for not thirsting for blood every time I hear of a sick person doing something wrong?


You're assuming that all people can respond to "years of therapy" and re-enter society. Some cannot. Anyone who would brutally torture a two-year old has not merely done something wrong, they've done something so beyond the pale as to push the boundaries of what can be allowed to even exist in society. And then when that person indicates by their words that they don't consider what they've done to be wrong, but puts the blame on others in their lives (including the victim) then it is very likely that this person simply cannot be rehabilitated to return to society in any meaningful way. A normal person should be able to realize, at least once past the heat of the moment, that beating a toddler into a coma is, in fact, something that they did and that it was bad. This woman was not able to so realize the fact.

Now, there is a difference between wanting to see someone so lacking in empathy and remorse removed from society so she cannot harm anyone, and "thirsting for her blood" as you say; I certainly don't want to see her skinned alive with a rusty cheese grater and left for the vultures; but anyone who is unable to independently acknowledge that beating her child unconscious is HER responsibility--hers, and nobody else's--just can't be allowed to roam free in society. She just can't. And she certainly can't be allowed to have access to other children, not in any society that calls itself a moral one.

And merely because sentencing in our justice system is very unevenly applied, as some have pointed out, does NOT mean that justice was not done in this case; it merely means that it was not done in other cases; a situation which needs to be rectified. Just because some murderers have gotten less time than this woman doesn't mean she should do less time; it means murderers should have gotten more.
2012-10-12 07:22:57 PM  
1 votes:

Bender The Offender: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

She beat a 2 year old into a coma, what exactly is an appropriate punishment, in your learned legal opinion, for a woman that would beat a 2 year old toddler into a coma?

rocinante721: My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents

Let me tell you, If you're so farking stupid that you can't grasp the very basics of the physiology of potty training, turn your kid over to the state now. A kid can't be potty trained until the appropriate part of the spinal sheathe mylenates. It doesn't matter how much you beat them, how much you scream at them, or how much your ignorance screws them up for the rest of their lives, it's not going to happen until the neurology catches up. Please, for the sake of your child, put it into foster care now. I've potty trained 2 children and many, many adults and I have never gotten angry, only a sick ignorant fark would act so selfishly.


All of this and so much more.
2012-10-12 06:51:43 PM  
1 votes:
My two cents regarding the length of punishment.

She is broken, the courts know that. The prosecutor was asking for 45 years, she got 99..probably because she was stupid enough to open her mouth in court and show no remorse, but to only blame everybody else for her behavior.

She has 4 or 5 kids now, she's only 23! The article says she'll be eligible for parole in 30 years or so.

The courts know they can't legally have her sterilized...but.. putting her behind bars until she is too old to breed is the next best thing. In order to do guarantee she would not get out before menopause kicks in and her ovaries shut down, they had to give her 99 years.
2012-10-12 06:36:18 PM  
1 votes:
Police say Escalona attacked two-year-old Jocelyn Cedillo because of potty training problems.

I use to work with a special needs/emotionally disturbed kid whose mom use to abuse when he had toileting issues. Needless to say this is unfortunately going to screw the daughter up for the rest of her life.


/obvious comment is obvious
2012-10-12 06:28:26 PM  
1 votes:

special20: Check it out:
A white woman gets 19 years for killing her adopted kid.

Gosh, 99 years for being an idiotic, child kicking rage-queen doesn't seem to be a fair sentence in contrast to the above story. Is it because she's a Mexican in Texas?


0/10 just because you're an idiot
2012-10-12 06:23:56 PM  
1 votes:

cookiefleck: If this girl doesn't come out of this a vegetable, the psychiatric bills will be astronomical..


Sounds like she's making a recovery: "She was in a coma for a couple days but she shocked doctors with a relatively quick recovery and is now doing well and living with her grandmother and four siblings. It's still unclear what, if any, long-term health problems Jocelyn may have as a result of her mother's torture."
2012-10-12 06:22:18 PM  
1 votes:
I was kind of like, Whhaaaa? at the headline, then I remembered the whole story. This wasn't just "she lost it" which most of us can have at least a little sympathy for. This was torture--she had to go through certain steps to put the kid in this condition, steps that took her a little while to carry out. I guess at no point did she think to herself, "OMG, I just really hurt my kid, I need to stop" or "I'm not going to go get that superglue, she's just a baby" or-- fark I can't go on.

Your own child. You're broken, lady. I'm sorry for whatever happened to you to make you such a piece of shiat, but good-bye now.
2012-10-12 06:21:52 PM  
1 votes:
Check it out:
A white woman gets 19 years for killing her adopted kid.

Gosh, 99 years for being an idiotic, child kicking rage-queen doesn't seem to be a fair sentence in contrast to the above story. Is it because she's a Mexican in Texas?
2012-10-12 06:20:36 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: MadAzza: Manslaughter isn't murder.

Ah, but it is. Most of the time it's a murder 2 charge that's plea-bargained down to manslaughter. Bottom line is that someone was killed.


Doesn't the seven year stat represent time served, not time sentenced? There's a large difference. And I'd like a citation for "most of the time". Otherwise, I'm saying most of the time it's vehicular manslaughter, which had no intent. Or most of the time... It was aliens.

/really don't care about what happens to this waste of nutrition
2012-10-12 06:18:03 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Didn't the last story mention she was pregnant again? What do they do with pregnant inmates?


I don't know how it it is in all states, but in Oregon when convicted murderer Diane Downs delivered her baby, it was immediately put into state custody and adopted out soon after. In that case adoptive parents had already been accepted. Downs deliberately got herself pregnant during the investigation stage of the case and was close to term when she was convicted. She lost parental rights to her newborn daughter moments after giving birth.
2012-10-12 06:13:43 PM  
1 votes:
Why does it seem that people found guilty of this type of thing have 5 kids or more (at least multiple kids)? If kids piss you off this much don't freakin have them.
2012-10-12 06:06:21 PM  
1 votes:
please tell me they are going to sterilize her to, she seems like the kind of person who would "somehow" get impregnated while in prison
2012-10-12 06:01:53 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: MadAzza: Manslaughter isn't murder.

Ah, but it is. Most of the time it's a murder 2 charge that's plea-bargained down to manslaughter. Bottom line is that someone was killed.


No. Someone being killed does not mean murder. And you can't really compare a plea bargain as far as sentences go.

I'm completely fine with somebody that willing does this to a child (or anyone) being completely removed from society.

The only issue I have with murder is the concept of "attempted murder". Why should somebody get a different sentence just because the killer was a bad aim or the person made a miraculous recoveru?
2012-10-12 04:50:53 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Endive Wombat: jylcat: Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.

What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.

I know it is rage, I just do not understand what good it does kicking the shiat out of a child, or even a household pet for that matter.

Because some people need others to suffer just like they (supposedly) are. Same reason guys go home and beat their wives when they're pissed off; they want their spouse/kid/pet to hurt physically as much as they are "hurting".

Some people are just farking sick.


THIS
2012-10-12 04:20:42 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).


Manslaughter isn't murder.
2012-10-12 04:02:19 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.


What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.
2012-10-12 03:52:52 PM  
1 votes:

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).
2012-10-12 03:43:52 PM  
1 votes:

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


She put a child into a coma. How the fark is that NOT a life sentence?
2012-10-12 03:13:31 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-12 03:00:11 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Good.


Agreed, this time the crime fits the punishment
2012-10-12 02:47:27 PM  
1 votes:
Good.
 
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