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2012-10-12 07:33:35 PM  

MadAzza: xanadian: MadAzza: She is without value.

Well, there I'm going to have to disagree with you.

She'd make fine fertilizer.

Point conceded.


I'd use her to grow pot, for the lulz.


/Mexican ditchweed
 
2012-10-12 07:33:48 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Situations like these tend to work themselves out in the long run if you let nature run its course.


She has 5 kids with #6 on the way.

The human race is doomed.
 
2012-10-12 07:35:25 PM  
I've had my own issues with potty training - my son wouldn't poop until he was four (and he still wears pull-ups at night, still four) but I never resorted to gluing him to the wall and beating the crap out of him - though I assure you I was sorely tempted.
 
2012-10-12 07:35:34 PM  

big pig peaches: hbk72777: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

You know, I've seen a lot of idiots post this all over the web. When someone is murdered, it's usually quick. This kid had to endure hell. A slow torturous death..This kid was too young to cry out for help. If you think that this doesn't deserve this long of a sentence, you're just as sick as the perpetrator.

This.

And just because some people don't get what they deserve, doesn't mean this piece of garbage didn't deserve what she got.

And I hope female prisoners are as tough on child killers as male prisoners.


Because some murder is quick it's more ok? Really? What a couple of farking idiots. I hope you never serve on a jury.

I never ever said I condoned this. And fark you to hell with a rusty pole if you think I'm sick as the perpetrator I simply made an observation. What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2012-10-12 07:46:17 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Situations like these tend to work themselves out in the long run if you let nature run its course.
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She's a 23 year old woman with 5 kids.


5 KIDS
 
2012-10-12 07:48:09 PM  
Well if she killed the kid she's only get 20 years. Then time off for good behavior.
 
2012-10-12 07:50:16 PM  

xanadian: MadAzza: She is without value.

Well, there I'm going to have to disagree with you.

She'd make fine fertilizer.


And she can always be used as a bad example.
/good riddance, and well...'bye'.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:31 PM  

rocinante721: My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents


If you feel even one ounce of sympathy for this woman you need to put your child up for adoption.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:43 PM  

INeedAName: I hate to say it, but part of me wonders if the mom wasnt also found guilty of looking like an illegal while in Texas. The woman desrves prison, a lot if it. But 99 years is absolutely insane.


Because all Mexicans look the same?
why yes,I am a white Texan.
 
2012-10-12 07:53:04 PM  

JonPace: slayer199: MadAzza: Manslaughter isn't murder.

Ah, but it is. Most of the time it's a murder 2 charge that's plea-bargained down to manslaughter. Bottom line is that someone was killed.

No. Someone being killed does not mean murder. And you can't really compare a plea bargain as far as sentences go.

I'm completely fine with somebody that willing does this to a child (or anyone) being completely removed from society.

The only issue I have with murder is the concept of "attempted murder". Why should somebody get a different sentence just because the killer was a bad aim or the person made a miraculous recoveru?


Agreed. How about we call it "failed murder?" I kinda like the sound of the "fail" part.
 
2012-10-12 07:58:27 PM  

FraggleStickCar: I know that beating a 2 year old is pretty abhorrent, but 99 years? What does that solve exactly? What is it with people wanting the justice system to act as way to get vicarious revenge on people who upset them? Wouldn't it better for this person was given the years of therapy they need so they can reenter society?

Is that too compassionate and thoughtful? Is that not the world you want to live in? A world where we've shed the false good/evil dichotomy and thoughtfully respond to troubled people with kindness and compassion? Am I off the mark here for not thirsting for blood every time I hear of a sick person doing something wrong?


You're assuming that all people can respond to "years of therapy" and re-enter society. Some cannot. Anyone who would brutally torture a two-year old has not merely done something wrong, they've done something so beyond the pale as to push the boundaries of what can be allowed to even exist in society. And then when that person indicates by their words that they don't consider what they've done to be wrong, but puts the blame on others in their lives (including the victim) then it is very likely that this person simply cannot be rehabilitated to return to society in any meaningful way. A normal person should be able to realize, at least once past the heat of the moment, that beating a toddler into a coma is, in fact, something that they did and that it was bad. This woman was not able to so realize the fact.

Now, there is a difference between wanting to see someone so lacking in empathy and remorse removed from society so she cannot harm anyone, and "thirsting for her blood" as you say; I certainly don't want to see her skinned alive with a rusty cheese grater and left for the vultures; but anyone who is unable to independently acknowledge that beating her child unconscious is HER responsibility--hers, and nobody else's--just can't be allowed to roam free in society. She just can't. And she certainly can't be allowed to have access to other children, not in any society that calls itself a moral one.

And merely because sentencing in our justice system is very unevenly applied, as some have pointed out, does NOT mean that justice was not done in this case; it merely means that it was not done in other cases; a situation which needs to be rectified. Just because some murderers have gotten less time than this woman doesn't mean she should do less time; it means murderers should have gotten more.
 
2012-10-12 08:03:01 PM  
She's got 99 problems and the kid ain't one.

/agree with the sentence. If she could beat her child with in an inch of their life and glue them to a wall, it wouldn't have been to long before one of them wound up dead.
 
2012-10-12 08:05:08 PM  
Great. So now we taxpayers have to take care of her ass for the next 50 years or so.

/can't we just execute 'em once their sentence far exceeds a human lifespan?
 
2012-10-12 08:06:37 PM  
I should have read the thread before I wrote my 99 problems post. I suck.
 
2012-10-12 08:06:48 PM  

jabelar: This always has amazed me -- the "slutty" and "party" girls who apparently were all worldly when in high school were also always the ones getting knocked up. And it wasn't like they didn't know about how it happens, or that they couldn't access contraceptives. My guess is it all stems from low self-esteem -- having babies makes them feel like they've got purpose (for the nicer girls) or makes them feel a sense of power (for the evil ones like this chick).


It's so they have someone to love, and someone to love them. Probably no one ever has. To them, a baby is like a dog--no matter what you do to them, the kid is still dependent on you. Same reason they fark all those loser guys. Because that's "love."

Unfortunately, since no one ever loved them, they don't know how to do it. Someone probably beat the crap out of this woman when she was young, too. It usually doesn't just come out of nowhere.
 
2012-10-12 08:13:29 PM  

Tigger: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

She put a child into a coma. How the fark is that NOT a life sentence?


Cause it's only a child?

/They're easy to make
 
2012-10-12 08:14:40 PM  
" I certainly don't want to see her skinned alive with a rusty cheese grater and left for the vultures"

I wouldnt mind it. Difficulty: include super glue
 
2012-10-12 08:18:16 PM  
How are trash bags like this allowed to crap out 5 kids by age 23? And now they are being raised by this psychos mom, I'm sure they will all turn out to be fine, upstanding, productive members of society.
 
2012-10-12 08:18:31 PM  
I strive to be more like my cousin. He's got 5 kids, well educated, church going, well paying job, long marriage.

His 3 year old was potty training (4 year old? when do they train?) anyway, and they were remodeling the bathroom. They had the brand new toilet out of the box in the living room ready to go in the next day. Right before dinner the 3 yr old comes into the kitchen. "Dad, toilet in the living room won't flush".

What can you do in that situation? Laugh it off, clean it up, and have a good story to tell us on facebook or over the phone. Which is what they did. It always saddens me that the people with the worst self esteem seem to be the ones quickest to want a kid to have something else to love than their deadbeat SO.

Stories like this only remind me that life is too short. Go kiss the wife, hug the dogs, and be thankful I was raised right.
 
2012-10-12 08:21:28 PM  

Indubitably: Two words: Parental License.

*)


so much This.

the truth is our society failed this woman terribly. it doesn't take the powers of Sherlock Holmes to see she should have been sterilized in her teenage years. sadder yet there will be more like her. because we don't band together and make the government take action. any retard can father or have a baby. and they do.

two days ago there was an article on Fark about a young guy who was DWI while banging his girlfriend. in the accident he killed his girlfriend and a mother of four children. he is looking at a 48 month sentence.
 
2012-10-12 08:31:08 PM  

FraggleStickCar: I know that beating a 2 year old is pretty abhorrent, but 99 years? What does that solve exactly? What is it with people wanting the justice system to act as way to get vicarious revenge on people who upset them? Wouldn't it better for this person was given the years of therapy they need so they can reenter society?

Is that too compassionate and thoughtful? Is that not the world you want to live in? A world where we've shed the false good/evil dichotomy and thoughtfully respond to troubled people with kindness and compassion? Am I off the mark here for not thirsting for blood every time I hear of a sick person doing something wrong?


Don't know if trolling...but just in case: Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee.

I don't lust for blood; I think the death penalty is appropriate in some cases but don't trust our legal system to apply it. You ask for therapy for the "incubator". Fine. But society demands payment. Justice is illusory. We settle for revenge instead. And in this case 99 years (reduced to 30 and change) is an appropriate revenge.

I'd love for justice to be served in this world, but except in rare cases it can't. This isn't some one-time drunken prank or juvenile indiscretion that community service and an apology can make right. She denied responsibility and blamed everyone else to the end. Therapy at this point is impossible. And, at the end of the trial, before sentencing, she told the judge off! Said "Only God can judge me."

She's too dumb for therapy.

And I knew there was going to be a neck tattoo.
 
2012-10-12 08:32:56 PM  
"If you think that this doesn't deserve this long of a sentence, you're just as sick as the perpetrator."
Now that's just down right stupid. Everyone who disagrees with the judge's ruling is 'just as sick' as the person who beats a kid to death? That's a retarded assessment.
 
2012-10-12 08:40:53 PM  
I don't like crotchfruit, but this is totally unacceptable. What kind of a monster comes up with this idea? How the hell was *it* raised?
 
2012-10-12 08:44:42 PM  
Not enough

//gee she has a neck tattoo, what a surprise
 
2012-10-12 08:46:16 PM  
I say it repeatedly: people (any gender) convicted of significant, violent crimes - like a violent felony - should be sterilized. They have abdicated their right to become a parent, and we should be protecting against bringing in more children into a setting where abuse or worse is a possibility.

Do we really need more children? We seem to be having more than we can afford.
Why would we advocate that violent criminals have "rights" to be parents. That is not a right.
And, there need to be rules. This is a setting where there is a defined, reasonable consequence.
 
2012-10-12 08:49:42 PM  
forced sterilization, yeah who has tried that before?
 
2012-10-12 08:54:57 PM  

bagfed: forced sterilization, yeah who has tried that before?


Georgia?
 
2012-10-12 08:55:52 PM  
5 kids, how many dads?
 
2012-10-12 09:05:09 PM  

bojon: 5 kids, how many dads?


I don't know. They didn't stick around.
 
2012-10-12 09:07:16 PM  

Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.


Frustration combined with lack of impulse control combined with lack of parenting skills, possibly supplemented by poor decision making skills in general.

/left CPS because I saw too much stuff like this
//dead kid investigations suck
///it's even worse when they can tell you about it
 
2012-10-12 09:09:47 PM  

bagfed: forced sterilization, yeah who has tried that before?


Being thoughtless is what gets you into a horrible situation like this, or so many situations where you think "they had to take a test to drive a car, but they could have kids at will?"

Invoking Godwin's law on this is a knee-jerk, short-sighted approach to a very real problem: unwanted kids into a situation where the parent(s) have a proven history of being violent. That's not genetic purity; it consequences for a chosen - illegal - violent - action. There's nothing like Hitler in that suggestion.
 
2012-10-12 09:10:00 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: INeedAName: I hate to say it, but part of me wonders if the mom wasnt also found guilty of looking like an illegal while in Texas. The woman desrves prison, a lot if it. But 99 years is absolutely insane.

Because all Mexicans look the same?
why yes,I am a white Texan.


A Russian, a Mexican, and a Texan are sitting on the edge of a cliff drinking...
 
2012-10-12 09:11:27 PM  
kytx.images.worldnow.com

Looks like she is good with a Sharpie too.
 
2012-10-12 09:12:28 PM  

Witness99: All sarcasm aside, it's gotta be miserable to be that person who did this to her child.


I've seen and interviewed people who've nearly killed their children, allowed them to be sexually abused by lovers, sexually abused their own children, physically abused their own children. Remorse is amazingly rare.
 
2012-10-12 09:14:15 PM  

bagfed: forced sterilization, yeah who has tried that before?



1.1 Canada
1.2 Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic
1.3 Germany
1.4 Japan
1.5 India
1.6 China
1.7 Peru
1.8 Russia
1.9 Sweden
1.10 Switzerland
1.11 United States
1.12 Uzbekistan
1.13 Puerto Rico
1.14 Other countries

Other countries that had notably active sterilisation programmes include Denmark, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Switzerland, Iceland, and some countries in Latin America (including Panama)
 
2012-10-12 09:16:40 PM  

dmax: There's nothing like Hitler in that suggestion.


A violent felony equals forced sterilization? Nanny!
 
2012-10-12 09:25:03 PM  

bagfed: dmax: There's nothing like Hitler in that suggestion.

A violent felony equals forced sterilization? Nanny!


Have the grownups excused you from the children's table, and you don't have any new Thomas the Tank DVDs?
 
2012-10-12 09:26:22 PM  

Witness99: DingleberryMoose: Witness99: All sarcasm aside, it's gotta be miserable to be that person who did this to her child.

I've seen and interviewed people who've nearly killed their children, allowed them to be sexually abused by lovers, sexually abused their own children, physically abused their own children. Remorse is amazingly rare.

Outward remorse, perhaps. But if you consider the self destruction, the low self esteem, and what might be a subconscious form of self-loathing....I would think these people are tearing themselves up on a daily basis. Could their apparent lack of remorse be a self defense mechanism for a very, very tortured soul?


You would hope, but it's not true. Some people have so brain chemistry for remorse. Literally.
 
2012-10-12 09:26:58 PM  
"so brain chemistry" = "no brain chemistry" of course.
 
2012-10-12 09:27:48 PM  

rocinante721: My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents


They can be shiats and all parents do get to the end of their tether. But remember this...

walk away if your getting to the end of your tether. Let them cry, let them tantrum walk away and breath,

Hurting children will only cause you pain and perhaps a broom stick up your arse.
 
2012-10-12 09:35:27 PM  

belhade: I've had my own issues with potty training - my son wouldn't poop until he was four (and he still wears pull-ups at night, still four) but I never resorted to gluing him to the wall and beating the crap out of him - though I assure you I was sorely tempted.


It's not potty training that's a pain. It's the stage when they can't lie still when your changing them.
 
2012-10-12 09:39:15 PM  
Eye for an eye, glue for a glue.
 
2012-10-12 09:41:16 PM  

sandi_fish: Why does it seem that people found guilty of this type of thing have 5 kids or more (at least multiple kids)? If kids piss you off this much don't freakin have them.


My pet theory is that whatever age you have kids at is the age you stop maturing at. So if you have a kid when you are 15-16 (like this "lady") you are pretty much stuck in "teenage girl" mode (anyone who has/spends time around teenage girls knows how hellish this is) the rest of your life.
 
2012-10-12 09:43:19 PM  

Tigger: She put a child into a coma. How the fark is that NOT a life sentence?


Because we have sociopaths in government, corporations (including banking), cops, and military who have harmed far more that never spend a day in jail?

May 12, 1996: Half a million children dead in Iraq from US foreign policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

To my knowledge Madeleine Albright has not spent a single night in prison in for her role in that.

There are other examples of murders and other equally or more despicable criminal acts both large and small resulting in little or no punishment. But this woman gets 99 years? It's just very strange in proportional sense.

dmax: There's nothing like Hitler in that suggestion.


Hitler got it from the eugenics movement in the USA and England. Much of Hitler's inspiration comes from the treatment of the native americans, and the eugenics movement in the USA.

"Tomorrow's Children"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bByf9qZXSa0
 
2012-10-12 09:43:20 PM  

DingleberryMoose: sweet-daddy-2: INeedAName: I hate to say it, but part of me wonders if the mom wasnt also found guilty of looking like an illegal while in Texas. The woman desrves prison, a lot if it. But 99 years is absolutely insane.

Because all Mexicans look the same?
why yes,I am a white Texan.

A Russian, a Mexican, and a Texan are sitting on the edge of a cliff drinking...


Yes,we have plenty.I'll send you some. ( checks profile ) Never mind
 
2012-10-12 10:10:06 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Eye for an eye, glue for a glue.


Hoarse?
 
2012-10-12 10:32:34 PM  

Witness99: DingleberryMoose: Witness99: All sarcasm aside, it's gotta be miserable to be that person who did this to her child.

I've seen and interviewed people who've nearly killed their children, allowed them to be sexually abused by lovers, sexually abused their own children, physically abused their own children. Remorse is amazingly rare.

Outward remorse, perhaps. But if you consider the self destruction, the low self esteem, and what might be a subconscious form of self-loathing....I would think these people are tearing themselves up on a daily basis. Could their apparent lack of remorse be a self defense mechanism for a very, very tortured soul?


It can be subtle. Do they say "I know I did something wrong but I did it because of X" or do they say "I didn't do anything wrong"? Do they say "I was pushed beyond my breaking point" or do they say "If you were in my shoes you'd have done the same thing"? The former indicates some kind of awareness that THEY are the ones responsible for their actions, and hence a capacity for remorse, even if deeply buried. The latter indicates an effort to deny responsibility and an attempt to imply everyone is just as horrible as they are. From what I've gathered about this case, the woman here is one of the latter.

Even people who seem to be blaming their abusive childhoods can, depending on how they phrase it, can either be ascribing the blame to themselves or to someone else. If they realize that they were just acting out their past on the bodies of their own children, then there may be hope for them. If they say things like "Look, I couldn't help it, I was an abused child," then that's just an attempt to deny responsibility. Any time someone says "I couldn't help it," you know they have no real ability to feel empathy. They absolutely could have helped it.
 
2012-10-12 10:38:34 PM  
23 years old
5 kids
beats one to an inch of death

I'd rather my taxes be pay her jail time as opposed to the public assistance checks for #6
 
2012-10-12 10:42:21 PM  

slayer199: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).


Manslaughter is not the same crime as murder.
 
2012-10-12 10:42:50 PM  
1. She committed a horrible crime and deserves a long penalty.

2. There's no way she would have gotten 99 years if she wasn't a poor minority.

3. If she was was only a minority, or only poor, it would have been around 10 years.

4. If she was a rich white woman, it would have been probation and probably wouldn't have even made the news.

5. This is all true outside of Texas too.
 
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