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2012-10-12 02:44:11 PM  
Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.
 
2012-10-12 02:47:27 PM  
Good.
 
2012-10-12 02:52:38 PM  
Jesus.

I mean, yeah, potty training sucks... But f*ck, eventually they figure it out.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:11 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Good.


Agreed, this time the crime fits the punishment
 
2012-10-12 03:13:31 PM  
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2012-10-12 03:30:24 PM  
Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.
 
2012-10-12 03:43:52 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


She put a child into a coma. How the fark is that NOT a life sentence?
 
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2012-10-12 03:47:07 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


Naw, that sentence is totally fine. Shame we have to pay for it, though.
 
2012-10-12 03:52:27 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


True...some people don't get enough time.
 
2012-10-12 03:52:52 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).
 
2012-10-12 03:58:03 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.



Well, to be fair, I did read another article that said mom was also a pot smoker.
 
2012-10-12 04:02:19 PM  

Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.


What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.
 
2012-10-12 04:03:16 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


The woman is clearly not someone who should be walking around. If she has enough rage to almost kill her own 2 year old daughter, what do you think she'd do to you if you hit her car by accident or said the wrong thing to her?
 
2012-10-12 04:20:42 PM  

slayer199: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).


Manslaughter isn't murder.
 
2012-10-12 04:21:13 PM  

jylcat: Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.

What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.


I know it is rage, I just do not understand what good it does kicking the shiat out of a child, or even a household pet for that matter.
 
2012-10-12 04:25:47 PM  

Endive Wombat: jylcat: Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.

What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.

I know it is rage, I just do not understand what good it does kicking the shiat out of a child, or even a household pet for that matter.


Because some people need others to suffer just like they (supposedly) are. Same reason guys go home and beat their wives when they're pissed off; they want their spouse/kid/pet to hurt physically as much as they are "hurting".

Some people are just farking sick.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:50 PM  
From another article:

Jocelyn suffered bleeding in her brain, a fractured rib, multiple bruises and bite marks, and was in a coma for a couple of days, a doctor testified at the sentencing hearing. Some skin had been torn off her hands, where doctors also found glue residue and white paint chips from the apartment wall.

Prosecutors portrayed Escalona as an unfit mother with a history of violence. They played recordings in which Escalona as a teenager threatened to kill her mother. They said she was a former gang member who started smoking marijuana at age 11.


How about now?

And just think about how violent she would have been *without* the weed. Let the biatch rot. She is without value.
 
2012-10-12 04:29:33 PM  
GOOD!
 
2012-10-12 04:30:15 PM  

MadAzza: She is without value.


Well, there I'm going to have to disagree with you.

She'd make fine fertilizer.
 
2012-10-12 04:50:36 PM  
Does she do Bat Mitvahs? Our balloon clown cancelled at the last minute.
 
2012-10-12 04:50:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Endive Wombat: jylcat: Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.

What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.

I know it is rage, I just do not understand what good it does kicking the shiat out of a child, or even a household pet for that matter.

Because some people need others to suffer just like they (supposedly) are. Same reason guys go home and beat their wives when they're pissed off; they want their spouse/kid/pet to hurt physically as much as they are "hurting".

Some people are just farking sick.


THIS
 
2012-10-12 05:00:47 PM  

MadAzza: Manslaughter isn't murder.


Ah, but it is. Most of the time it's a murder 2 charge that's plea-bargained down to manslaughter. Bottom line is that someone was killed.
 
2012-10-12 05:15:03 PM  

slayer199: MadAzza: Manslaughter isn't murder.

Ah, but it is. Most of the time it's a murder 2 charge that's plea-bargained down to manslaughter. Bottom line is that someone was killed.


Murder, as a legal term and as you note in your plea-bargain example, is not manslaughter. Manslaughter isn't "murder lite."

Well, maybe it kind of is, but only in a colloquial sense, not a legal one.
 
2012-10-12 05:18:26 PM  

xanadian: MadAzza: She is without value.

Well, there I'm going to have to disagree with you.

She'd make fine fertilizer.


Point conceded.
 
2012-10-12 05:54:15 PM  
My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents
 
2012-10-12 05:55:05 PM  
Situations like these tend to work themselves out in the long run if you let nature run its course.
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2012-10-12 05:56:07 PM  

Endive Wombat: jylcat: Endive Wombat: Maybe its because I am not a sociopath, but I have never understood beating a child to within an inch of their life and what good that may do. They are children, they do not know better...I don't get it.

What with the bite marks (which occur frequently in such cases) I think it's rage - out of control rage - the person just loses it. Which is to say I'd much prefer that person be in jail for life, rather than walking around if they can beat a 2 year old half to death.

I know it is rage, I just do not understand what good it does kicking the shiat out of a child, or even a household pet for that matter.


Why are you so set on searching for a reason. Sometimes theres no reason.
 
2012-10-12 05:57:00 PM  
I hate to say it, but part of me wonders if the mom wasnt also found guilty of looking like an illegal while in Texas. The woman desrves prison, a lot if it. But 99 years is absolutely insane.
 
2012-10-12 06:01:35 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


You know, I've seen a lot of idiots post this all over the web. When someone is murdered, it's usually quick. This kid had to endure hell. A slow torturous death..This kid was too young to cry out for help. If you think that this doesn't deserve this long of a sentence, you're just as sick as the perpetrator.
 
2012-10-12 06:01:53 PM  

slayer199: MadAzza: Manslaughter isn't murder.

Ah, but it is. Most of the time it's a murder 2 charge that's plea-bargained down to manslaughter. Bottom line is that someone was killed.


No. Someone being killed does not mean murder. And you can't really compare a plea bargain as far as sentences go.

I'm completely fine with somebody that willing does this to a child (or anyone) being completely removed from society.

The only issue I have with murder is the concept of "attempted murder". Why should somebody get a different sentence just because the killer was a bad aim or the person made a miraculous recoveru?
 
2012-10-12 06:03:07 PM  

hbk72777: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

You know, I've seen a lot of idiots post this all over the web. When someone is murdered, it's usually quick. This kid had to endure hell. A slow torturous death..This kid was too young to cry out for help. If you think that this doesn't deserve this long of a sentence, you're just as sick as the perpetrator.


And yes, I know the child didn't die, I'm equating it to being to death because of the physical hell.
 
2012-10-12 06:06:21 PM  
please tell me they are going to sterilize her to, she seems like the kind of person who would "somehow" get impregnated while in prison
 
2012-10-12 06:06:33 PM  

hbk72777: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

You know, I've seen a lot of idiots post this all over the web. When someone is murdered, it's usually quick. This kid had to endure hell. A slow torturous death..This kid was too young to cry out for help. If you think that this doesn't deserve this long of a sentence, you're just as sick as the perpetrator.


This.

And just because some people don't get what they deserve, doesn't mean this piece of garbage didn't deserve what she got.

And I hope female prisoners are as tough on child killers as male prisoners.
 
2012-10-12 06:06:33 PM  
Not so much questioning her sentence specifically, but what kind of statutory sentence range is "probation to 99 years"? That's a new one to me.
 
2012-10-12 06:07:15 PM  
Didn't the last story mention she was pregnant again? What do they do with pregnant inmates?
 
2012-10-12 06:09:44 PM  
This is a local story.. Basically, the mom could've pleaded to get less time, but she wanted to "tell her side" and in doing so continued to lie through her teeth. So, she got 99 years.
 
2012-10-12 06:10:09 PM  

fusillade762: Didn't the last story mention she was pregnant again? What do they do with pregnant inmates?


I think that means the guards go bareback.
 
2012-10-12 06:11:23 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Situations like these tend to work themselves out in the long run if you let nature run its course.
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As in she would have killed her off-spring and not passed on her genes?

Might've worked .. sucks to be the kid, tho.
 
2012-10-12 06:11:45 PM  

rocinante721: My child just started to walk, so I'm slowly getting more sympathetic to batpoop-nuts parents


If you can be sympathetic to a woman who beats her kid, I think you have a problem. I have two sons and I may have freaked a few times, but I NEVER, NEVER thought about something like this. Children are precious. They do not deserve to get hit! Though, I did think about velcro.
 
2012-10-12 06:12:34 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


/came here to say this, but i'm sure the factor in the long sentence was that the victim was a child under x amount of years.
 
2012-10-12 06:12:39 PM  

fusillade762: Didn't the last story mention she was pregnant again? What do they do with pregnant inmates?


As soon as the babies are born they are placed with foster families. I know a couple who do this in Texas and have adopted two of the three they've gotten. It's been a long road for them, though, as the mother retains her rights for quite a while. They're still waiting on the third to go through, I think.
 
2012-10-12 06:13:03 PM  

slayer199: SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.

I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).


Imagine if it were your daughter, two years old, sweet and full of promise that was brutally attacked, beaten half to death, her tiny little hands glued to the wall. Now would the sentence seem too much?
 
2012-10-12 06:13:29 PM  
ahhh, thats the cool thing about poor people who can't afford lawyers. They make LOTS of money for the shareholders in the for-profit prisons.
 
2012-10-12 06:13:43 PM  
Why does it seem that people found guilty of this type of thing have 5 kids or more (at least multiple kids)? If kids piss you off this much don't freakin have them.
 
2012-10-12 06:15:58 PM  

wantingout: ahhh, thats the cool thing about poor people who can't afford lawyers. They make LOTS of money for the shareholders in the for-profit prisons.


yeah those poor women who beat their children to death, they sure are the real victims of this tragedy.
 
2012-10-12 06:16:20 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


That was actually my first thought too.
 
2012-10-12 06:18:03 PM  

fusillade762: Didn't the last story mention she was pregnant again? What do they do with pregnant inmates?


I don't know how it it is in all states, but in Oregon when convicted murderer Diane Downs delivered her baby, it was immediately put into state custody and adopted out soon after. In that case adoptive parents had already been accepted. Downs deliberately got herself pregnant during the investigation stage of the case and was close to term when she was convicted. She lost parental rights to her newborn daughter moments after giving birth.
 
2012-10-12 06:18:26 PM  

SnarfVader: Wow. Just wow. That's a life sentence. Horrendous as the crime may be, I'm not sure the punishment fits. You can murder somebody and not get as much time.


culpability X responsibility X depravity = sentencing.

Do you want to know more?
 
2012-10-12 06:19:24 PM  
If this girl doesn't come out of this a vegetable, the psychiatric bills will be astronomical..
 
2012-10-12 06:19:49 PM  

slayer199: I was thinking the same thing. Not that I'm complaining or saying it isn't justified...just that murderers can get off with less time (manslaughter averages 7 years).


To be fair, a 99-year sentence is probably like 7 in non-Texas years.
 
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