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2012-10-12 01:19:13 PM  
As a left-leaning moderate who is doing his best to keep an open mind and not make a decision until the week before the election, I'm craving things like solid policy points, specific plans, and projected numbers - all things that Romney/Ryan have refused to provide to date. It's frustrating, because I'm basically being asked to choose between numbers I don't necessarily like or support (Obama) and "trust us" (R/R).

I felt like Raddatz shared that frustration, and that she wasn't so much favoring Biden as she was trying to get Ryan to say something - anything - of substance. But he wouldn't commit to a clear point on Afghanistan, budget numbers, defense cuts, Libya, or anything else, except possibly abortion. That Biden piggybacked her frustration to score points was more of a sign of his astuteness as an operator and his ability to be flexible that it was of collusion.

But wow did the right-leaning people on my FB wall feel differently. I've never seen so many cries of 'AMBUSH! IT'S A TRAP! ETC!' in my life.

/ wah
 
2012-10-12 01:30:10 PM  
I was able to confirm from that article that Raddatz was completely fine. Hannity hated her. If there's any topic, any issue for which you have doubts, or aren't sure which side to take, find out which side Sean Hannity is on, because it assuredly will be the polar opposite to the truth, the ethical position, or the appropriate perspective.
 
2012-10-12 01:39:00 PM  
She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.

Would have loved to hear her remind Biden that GM went bankrupt.....or that Obama is going to raise taxes on those making more than $250K (Biden pegged that at a million)
 
2012-10-12 01:43:44 PM  
Anything that irritates Sean Hannity is. by definition, a good thing.

This includes setting fire to Sean Hannity.
 
2012-10-12 01:44:48 PM  
As much as I hate football-politics analogies, I have to point out that when the Saints are losing, I usually start working the refs from the sidelines too.
 
2012-10-12 01:44:58 PM  
Yeah, she served up nothing but softballs to Biden, amirite? Like the very first question of the night, which I'd have to think is most often the one with the largest number of people paying attention:

I would like to begin with Libya. On a rather somber note, one month ago tonight, on the anniversary of 9/11, Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other brave Americans were killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi. The State Department has now made clear, there were no protesters there. It was a pre-planned assault by heavily armed men. Wasn't this a massive intelligence failure, Vice President Biden?

How dare she offer up softballs like that to Biden, while cruelly and unfairly asking Ryan to explain his "answers." Damn liberal media.
 
2012-10-12 01:48:30 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I was able to confirm from that article that Raddatz was completely fine. Hannity hated her. If there's any topic, any issue for which you have doubts, or aren't sure which side to take, find out which side Sean Hannity is on, because it assuredly will be the polar opposite to the truth, the ethical position, or the appropriate perspective.


This is exactly right. I see Hannity thought she was the worst, that means she did a fine job.

Also, the debate is timed. So the nozzle who complained that she didn't ask about China or Russia is just a whiner. There is only so much time. And I don't believe (although I could be wrong,) that she got to decide on the questions herself. Even if she did, the Middle East is the current powderkeg (it almost always is,) and the questions were pertinent.
 
2012-10-12 01:50:12 PM  

EnviroDude: She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.


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I'm going to be getting a lot of use out of this gif in these debate threads.
 
2012-10-12 01:52:12 PM  
I thought she was good for about 1:15-1:20 of a 1:30 debate. The "as a Catholic..." and "as a man, what makes you special?" questions at the end were pretty flaky.

Also, this:

Cyberluddite: Yeah, she served up nothing but softballs to Biden, amirite? Like the very first question of the night, which I'd have to think is most often the one with the largest number of people paying attention:

I would like to begin with Libya. On a rather somber note, one month ago tonight, on the anniversary of 9/11, Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other brave Americans were killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi. The State Department has now made clear, there were no protesters there. It was a pre-planned assault by heavily armed men. Wasn't this a massive intelligence failure, Vice President Biden?

How dare she offer up softballs like that to Biden, while cruelly and unfairly asking Ryan to explain his "answers." Damn liberal media.

 
2012-10-12 01:53:43 PM  
Of course the GOP is mad. She asked specifics of Ryan.
 
2012-10-12 01:59:32 PM  

JerseyTim: I thought she was good for about 1:15-1:20 of a 1:30 debate. The "as a Catholic..." and "as a man, what makes you special?" questions at the end were pretty flaky.


I agree. She was near-perfect until the very end, and those two questions were just...bad. It wouldn't have hurt her to make a few requests for the candidates (especially Biden) to avoid interrupting each other, but the fact of the matter was that Ryan was so outclassed and overwhelmed by Biden that it wouldn't have mattered. Ryan got steamrolled by a guy who's been debating since before he was born, and that's the only real story.

Good opinion piece on it here with some nice little quotable gems: Link. I'm particularly fond of, "[Ryan] was more lost in Afghanistan than the Russian army ever was."
 
2012-10-12 02:16:39 PM  

whistleridge: I felt like Raddatz shared that frustration, and that she wasn't so much favoring Biden as she was trying to get Ryan to say something - anything - of substance. But he wouldn't commit to a clear point on Afghanistan, budget numbers, defense cuts, Libya, or anything else, except possibly abortion. That Biden piggybacked her frustration to score points was more of a sign of his astuteness as an operator and his ability to be flexible that it was of collusion.

But wow did the right-leaning people on my FB wall feel differently. I've never seen so many cries of 'AMBUSH! IT'S A TRAP! ETC!' in my life.




Well, many of your friends likely consider the R&R 5 point plan for saving the world to be specific enough. I just wish President Obama will correctly point at that a "plan" is not a series of desirable outcomes, but rather the process to get there.

A football coach works up a game "plan" during the week before a game. Coaches Romney and Ryan would have you believe that a plan should include "win by two touchdowns" rather than the formations and playcalling designed to get to the end zone.
 
2012-10-12 02:16:52 PM  

GAT_00: Of course the GOP is mad. She asked specifics of Ryan.


And kept at it when he kept demurring. It's like she's a real journalist or something.
 
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2012-10-12 02:32:18 PM  

EnviroDude: She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.

Would have loved to hear her remind Biden that GM went bankrupt.....or that Obama is going to raise taxes on those making more than $250K (Biden pegged that at a million)


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2012-10-12 02:36:41 PM  
If Hannity AND Envirodude don't like something then it is an even better thing.

This includes setting fire to Envirodude.
 
2012-10-12 02:44:38 PM  
"I've got to tell you, having done as many as I've done, usually the side that's perceived as having lost the debate is the one that complains about the moderator," said Fahrenkopf, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee. Politico article with that quote is HERE.
 
2012-10-12 02:44:42 PM  
Again, the only people who were impressed by Raddatz were the far left Obama devotees.

But I can see where a moderator who helps out the Democrat is "good" where a moderator who let's the candidates talk to each other is "bad".
 
2012-10-12 02:45:49 PM  
She pressed Ryan. I'm sure they saw this as unfair--it's what made Ryan look like the loser of the debate.
 
2012-10-12 02:46:50 PM  
Raddatz did a good job keeping the speakers on a debate path. Her questions, though, were all distinctly and lamely framed in a center-right perspective.
 
2012-10-12 02:47:19 PM  

EnviroDude: She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.

Would have loved to hear her remind Biden that GM went bankrupt.....or that Obama is going to raise taxes on those making more than $250K (Biden pegged that at a million)


randomjsa: Again, the only people who were impressed by Raddatz were the far left Obama devotees.

But I can see where a moderator who helps out the Democrat is "good" where a moderator who let's the candidates talk to each other is "bad".


I don't know why you two even post. We can do it for you. Save yourselves the trouble.

Typical and predictable.
 
2012-10-12 02:48:17 PM  
GOP: "The Democrats are rallying their base! It's not FAIR!"
 
2012-10-12 02:50:52 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Raddatz did a good job keeping the speakers on a debate path. Her questions, though, were all distinctly and lamely framed in a center-right perspective.


Of course they were. She's a journalist. We would never have gone so far down this rabbit hole of stupidity if journalists had openly questioned this bullshiat decades ago when it started. They are as much to blame as the assholes who manipulate the public in the name of the GOP.
 
2012-10-12 02:50:59 PM  
Read that guys name as Jason Voorhees.
 
2012-10-12 02:51:57 PM  

Tigger: If Hannity AND Envirodude don't like something then it is an even better thing.
This includes setting fire to Envirodude.


I'm not convinced that even Hannity would be all that opposed to that.
 
2012-10-12 02:52:58 PM  
Biden was mean, the mod was mean....

this is how I know Biden won.
calling the GOP the party of personal responsibility is a joke.

I'll say this too, for the most part, when Obama got pushed around in the last debate Fark libs weren't blaming Mitt or even the mod, who was pretty lousy. We blamed Obama, he had shots he didn't take regardless of the mod's lack of control or Mitt's live flip-flopping and we were disappointed in Obama.

quite blaming everyone else, your boy got hosed because he couldn't come up with any numbers to back up what they say they're going to do.

-we're going to increase defense spending 1 trillion, decrease taxes 20% and it wont cost anything.

--how will you do that?

-we'll work out the details with congress


that's a non answer, and that's why Ryan lost.
you can't claim huge goals like that and back it up with nothing. Of course you'll work out the details in congress that goes without saying, how about you let us in on the secret starting point? anything? nope....nuthin'
 
2012-10-12 02:53:06 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: GOP: "The Democrats are rallying their base! It's not FAIR!"


I think we've had enough "Biden Smiled/Raddatz Was Good" threads for one lifetime. What I REALLY want to know is how "rallied" the base got from last night. I guess we'll have to wait until Sunday for any useful polling to come in, but if Obama supports don't feel just a little more energized today then they deserve whatever hell they get.
 
2012-10-12 02:53:35 PM  

randomjsa: Again, the only people who were impressed by Raddatz were the far left Obama devotees.

But I can see where a moderator who helps out the Democrat is "good" where a moderator who let's the candidates talk to each other is "bad".


Only in your derp-addled world can asking someone for specifics on their policy be seen as helping out the other guy.

You sir are a moran.
 
2012-10-12 02:54:19 PM  
"Raddatz asked a lot of foreign policy questions, which was fine, but Libya, Afghanistan, Iranand Syria each got their own question, with no discussion of China, Latin America or Europe. It was like a bad replay of 2004, when we acted like the Middle East was the only part of the world that mattered."

A: That's where the shiat is blowing up right now.

B: That's where the Romney campaign KEEPS attacking Obama.

C: All of the above.

Pick a farking answer, crybabies. If she had DARED to divert to "Latin America" or "Europe", you would have accused her of steering the topic away from Libya, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria. Stupid motherfarkers, do you even KNOW how farking transparent you are? It's obvious from under a rock in a sub-oceanic cave to the bones of a long dead shark that no answer would have been the RIGHT one, so shut the fark up and go back to school so that you can learn what journalism and news are actually about. Hint: It's not about just picking whatever end of a topic you want and then biatching about it, you're actually supposed to fairly evaluate this shiat. Just because this has been the Fox News style for the last 10 years or so, it doesn't mean that the word "News" lends it any credibility as a shining beacon of journalistic perfection.

Jesus, she could have gone down on Ryan right there on stage and one of these Rightie morons would be attacking her for "style" points, or not swallowing...
 
2012-10-12 02:54:53 PM  
Hard-right extremists are pissed that not everyone shares their views? Color me shocked!
 
2012-10-12 02:55:56 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: EnviroDude: She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.

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I'm going to be getting a lot of use out of this gif in these debate threads.


That's so awesome... Too bad these things can't have sound if you hover or click...
 
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2012-10-12 02:57:40 PM  
Democrats complained when the moderator didn't do their job.
Republicans complained when the moderator did their job.
 
2012-10-12 02:58:31 PM  

Quasar: GAT_00: Of course the GOP is mad. She asked specifics of Ryan.

And kept at it when he kept demurring. It's like she's a real journalist or something.


Yeah, can't have that.
 
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2012-10-12 02:59:47 PM  
FTFA: "Raddatz asked a lot of foreign policy questions, which was fine, but Libya, Afghanistan, Iranand Syria each got their own question, with no discussion of China, Latin America or Europe. "

She forgot Poland.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:52 PM  
what I don't understand is that, if I were a politician, I would love to be asked to go into greater depth or greater detail over my platform.

because I would have a well thought out platform, full of stuff that I wanted to push forward with a goal to make a better country.

the more TV time I would be given to talk about this platform would be great. I could coach all the pros and cons in my own terms.

now, the only reason I would dislike going into detail is if I didn't have a well thought out platform, or if it were clear by the details that my platform would fail, and all I wanted was time to talk about how great my undescribed platform really is.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:53 PM  

The Great EZE: if Obama supports don't feel just a little more energized today then they deserve whatever hell they get.



I think the Dems are rallied again. And there is zero doubt that Obama will come out swinging in the final two debates. He gave a killer speech to a crowd in Florida yesterday, and obviously Biden's demeanor and attack lines were planned by the campaign.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:57 PM  

Diogenes: EnviroDude: She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.

Would have loved to hear her remind Biden that GM went bankrupt.....or that Obama is going to raise taxes on those making more than $250K (Biden pegged that at a million)

randomjsa: Again, the only people who were impressed by Raddatz were the far left Obama devotees.

But I can see where a moderator who helps out the Democrat is "good" where a moderator who let's the candidates talk to each other is "bad".

I don't know why you two even post. We can do it for you. Save yourselves the trouble.

Typical and predictable.


They post because this is literally the only area of their entire lives where they can have an impact. It's the only powerful self-actualising moment they have - getting someone to respond to their bleating.

You should ignore them and take pleasure in the pain that inflicts on these weak little sadness factories.
 
2012-10-12 03:01:03 PM  
If you ask someone a question and they do not even acknowledge that anything has been asked of them, how do you repeat the question in order to get the information that the American people want? You either have some backbone and dig for an answer, or you rollover like a little biatch that gets all their thoughts and ideas from listening to yell radio all day and wants their tummies scratched by massa.

If anyone was rude or arrogant in the Vice Presidential debate it was Paul Ryan by refusing to acknowledge some of the questions asked and comments made, by both his opponent and the moderator. Literally acting like nothing had been asked of him, or merely repeating his previous statement. It's transparent and slimy when you cannot represent yourself and your beliefs in an open and honest manner because you are fully aware that they are morally unpopular. Yet he has no qualms presenting his Romneys views on abortion, because it is a party divided issue - as opposed to humanitarian efforts or specific tax loopholes.

Paul Ryan lost the debate himself, in equal parts to the ass whoopin that Biden served him.

Martha Raddatz didn't serve Ryan his defeat, he ordered it right off the menu and then opted for dessert.
 
2012-10-12 03:02:45 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I was able to confirm from that article that Raddatz was completely fine. Hannity hated her. If there's any topic, any issue for which you have doubts, or aren't sure which side to take, find out which side Sean Hannity is on, because it assuredly will be the polar opposite to the truth, the ethical position, or the appropriate perspective.


If Hannity reported on a bus crash, I could rest assured that nobody involved in the crash should have been alive anyway.
 
2012-10-12 03:04:28 PM  

whistleridge: As a left-leaning moderate who is doing his best to keep an open mind and not make a decision until the week before the election, I'm craving things like solid policy points, specific plans, and projected numbers - all things that Romney/Ryan have refused to provide to date. It's frustrating, because I'm basically being asked to choose between numbers I don't necessarily like or support (Obama) and "trust us" (R/R).

I felt like Raddatz shared that frustration, and that she wasn't so much favoring Biden as she was trying to get Ryan to say something - anything - of substance. But he wouldn't commit to a clear point on Afghanistan, budget numbers, defense cuts, Libya, or anything else, except possibly abortion. That Biden piggybacked her frustration to score points was more of a sign of his astuteness as an operator and his ability to be flexible that it was of collusion.

But wow did the right-leaning people on my FB wall feel differently. I've never seen so many cries of 'AMBUSH! IT'S A TRAP! ETC!' in my life.

/ wah


What I enjoyed most was when right-leaners on Twitter started whining about Biden "bullying" the debate; when I pointed out Romney did the same thing, dead silence followed...then they moved on to "Biden's so rude~!"

Lulz all around last night.
 
2012-10-12 03:04:37 PM  
Ryan got destroyed in the debate. Must be the moderator's fault.
 
2012-10-12 03:06:48 PM  

Tigger: Anything that irritates Sean Hannity is. by definition, a good thing.

This includes setting fire to Sean Hannity.


I'd piss on Sean Hannity if he were on fire because its the right thing to do. But I'd make sure my hands were nice and toasty warm first.
 
2012-10-12 03:07:38 PM  

randomjsa: Again, the only people who were impressed by Raddatz were the far left Obama devotees.


God, your sense of comedic timing can't be any better can't it? (read the post above you genius and see how this point got torpedoed)

But I can see where a moderator who helps out the Democrat is "good" where a moderator who let's the candidates talk to each other is "bad".

So then explain to the class how (in your warped mind) Radditz letting the candidates talk to each other was "bad". Go ahead....I can wait.
 
2012-10-12 03:08:12 PM  
She opened the debate with a question for Biden on Libya and intelligence. Not exactly lobbing a partisan softball, there.
 
2012-10-12 03:09:44 PM  

lilbjorn: Ryan got destroyed in the debate. Must be the moderator's fault.


And therefore, B. Hussein Obama's.
 
2012-10-12 03:11:07 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: The Great EZE: if Obama supports don't feel just a little more energized today then they deserve whatever hell they get.


I think the Dems are rallied again. And there is zero doubt that Obama will come out swinging in the final two debates. He gave a killer speech to a crowd in Florida yesterday, and obviously Biden's demeanor and attack lines were planned by the campaign.


I'm inclined to agree but...fark! Liberals have such shiatty attitudes in the face of adversity. I know it's not right to take Jon Stewart comedy show seriously but when he said Obama's October Surprise was that he had given up that pretty much solidified my irritation. Obama supporters are supposed to be the smart ones, the ones that can see through the Romney/Ryan BS. They can't even see through the manufactured horse race narrative.

But yeah, the only serious risk Obama has Tuesday is if he's suddenly hit with a 104-degree flu. If he has his mind right, he can turn it around--IF his people can calm the fark down for a moment.
 
2012-10-12 03:13:24 PM  

EnviroDude: She had to do what she had to do as a liberal working in the media. If she weren't the attack dog and water carrying moderator voting for Obama, she would have been blackballed by her peers.


randomjsa: Again, the only people who were impressed by Raddatz were the far left Obama devotees.

But I can see where a moderator who helps out the Democrat is "good" where a moderator who let's the candidates talk to each other is "bad".




"I've got to tell you, having done as many as I've done, usually the side that's perceived as having lost the debate is the one that complains about the moderator," said Fahrenkopf, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee."
 
2012-10-12 03:14:57 PM  
Damn I didn't think it was so bad, but Paul Ryan must have really gotten his ass kicked last night.

The whining wouldn't be so feverish otherwise.

It's almost as funny as them losing to Al farking Frankin. Almost.
 
2012-10-12 03:16:36 PM  
what the GOP whiners are doing is weakening their own party. They should be calling for Mitt/Ryan to give us some details on this magical plan of theirs. It's ridiculous to allow your candidate to throw out these fairytale numbers with absolutely nothing to back them up, not even a hint.

But hey, they didn't care when Mitt refused to release his tax returns, and they didn't care when Mitt lied about his healthcare plan covering preexisting conditions, so why am I surprised that they wont hold their candidates to the same standard they'd hold anyone else who is promising amazing results while refusing to discuss how they'd achieve them.

How dare the Mod ask for the details everyone is wondering about? must be rigged.
 
2012-10-12 03:16:59 PM  
When Carl Rove twitted that He wants Lehler back, you know Martha has done something right.
 
2012-10-12 03:17:49 PM  

otherginger: She opened the debate with a question for Biden on Libya and intelligence. Not exactly lobbing a partisan softball, there.


Nobody with a shred of integrity believes Raddatz was biased in this debate. Unless you really, truly believe that asking someone to provide actual details of their positions is "biased". This appears to be the metric by which The Usual Suspects are judging her.
 
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