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2012-10-12 03:36:35 PM
Obama's Strategy of Silence seem clear:

If he comes out in SUPPORT of decriminalization, he will piss off a LOT of potential voters.

OTOH, if he comes out in OPPOSITION to decriminalization, he will piss off a LOT of potential voters.

So his best move is to keep his mouth shut until after the election. After that he will flex his little authoritarian muscles and redouble his resolve to crack down on those uppity states who THINK they can question the Centralized Federal Regime.


/If Romney wins, expect the same
//Or worse
 
2012-10-12 03:42:40 PM

Amos Quito: Better yet, you show me where the constitution specifically authorizes the Federal government to regulate the growth, distribution, sale, and use of marijuana.

Failing that, please refer to the Tenth Amendment.


Using the ever-expanding definitions of the Commerce Clause, that's how. Again, if these 3 state legalize the use of marijuana...the fed can sit and spin because if the city, county and state police abide by the law, the Feds do NOT have the resources to enforce. In other words, if you grow pot in your home for personal consumption, the odds are VERY long against the feds raiding your home.
 
2012-10-12 04:11:18 PM
Doubtful. He knows the pot heads are already on his side.
 
2012-10-12 04:12:20 PM

Hershey Highway Patrol: We already are.


^^^^^^^^
 
2012-10-12 04:12:36 PM
Could Obama's secret plan involve turning the nation into drug addicts?

You mean like alcohol and tobacco?
 
2012-10-12 04:13:05 PM
I'll smoke to that, subby.

/hurry up, 5 pm, goddamn
 
2012-10-12 04:14:38 PM
States Rights! Except when we disagree!
 
2012-10-12 04:14:43 PM

slayer199: Using the ever-expanding definitions of the Commerce Clause, that's how. Again, if these 3 state legalize the use of marijuana...the fed can sit and spin because if the city, county and state police abide by the law, the Feds do NOT have the resources to enforce. In other words, if you grow pot in your home for personal consumption, the odds are VERY long against the feds raiding your home.


Which is why the feds will instead go after dispensaries (or their landlords), or in WA law, the stores selling MJ. The regulated sale (Whether by dispensary or other retail outlet) is probably the biggest plus to these laws. Instead of buying weed of unknown original (Cartel/Mexican), and unknown quality, in California you can walk into a dispensary, many of which test and list the chemical breakdown of the weed and know it was grown locally in the state, often by dedicated "craft growers".

While buying weed from a friend of a friend or growing your own in a closet works if you want to get high in college, that doesn't work for grandmothers (like mine) who need it to be able to eat while going through chemotherapy.

Its very important that weed not just be decriminalized, but sold through retail (Dispensaries, government owned "liquor" stores or whatever) and regulated. Its important that it be coming from a safe source (no hazardous pesticides), the proceeds not be going to organized crime, that customer know exactly what they are getting, and that they are easily able to procure it.

That's the problem with the Fed. Them going after dispensaries keeps the mj out of the hands of people who need it, while at the same time driving drug money to Mexican drug lords and increasing the risk of death or injury due to contaminates.
 
2012-10-12 04:14:46 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, marijuana legalization is just a pipe dream.


i66.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-12 04:14:49 PM
Soma for all the Epsilons!
 
2012-10-12 04:15:03 PM
I'm gonna stay in oklahoma at least one of us needs to be left here to vote for it and get out to word to start to think about not locking up smokers.

but it is tempting
 
2012-10-12 04:17:34 PM
Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.
 
2012-10-12 04:17:58 PM

devildog123: It's about farking time. Just legalize it already. I have yet to see a single reason to keep pot any more regulated than booze.

/don't have any interest in using it myself, just tired of sanctimonious BS
//And I support the crap out of state's rights.


That. Except I'm not a big "states' rights" kinda guy; I see this kind of thing as more a kind of organized civil disobedience than anything else.

/though my mom is a medical marijuana patient
 
2012-10-12 04:18:15 PM
Let me be blunt, I wish they would pass in every state. More realistically, one or two might legalize pot.

President Romney will probably be too busy with transition and other things to make federal intervention any sort of a priority.
 
2012-10-12 04:18:54 PM

stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.


I thought you didn't like the nanny state.
 
2012-10-12 04:20:13 PM

randomjsa: Doubtful. He knows the pot heads are already on his side.


I hope so, that's a lot of people.
 
2012-10-12 04:21:08 PM

Cletus C.: Let me be blunt, I wish they would pass in every state. More realistically, one or two might legalize pot.

President Romney will probably be too busy with transition and other things to make federal intervention any sort of a priority.


Yeah, but I hear he's working closely with Sarah Palin to insure a quick and easy transition.
 
2012-10-12 04:22:01 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: "I'm going, that's all there is to it, I'm farking going"


You'd dig it the most.

After me anyway.
 
2012-10-12 04:22:09 PM
He's going to balance the budget by letting them build up large enough of a customer base and product stash, then have the FBI raid them for all their profits
 
2012-10-12 04:22:45 PM
I suspect the Obama admin will remain silent on the issue. There are so many other big fish to go after and marijuana prohibition isn't a strong polling point for Obama. In fact, any candidate coming out seriously hard against marijuana is likely to hurt their chances more than help these days. The majority think it should be legalized so it doesn't make sense for any political candidate to make marijuana their focus. The exception to that might be someone running for an office in an extremely conservative district somewhere. Outside of that, it's just bad politics right now.

Which is where I want it to be.
 
2012-10-12 04:23:35 PM
Yep, nobody anywhere is currently using drugs, this would doom the nation!
 
2012-10-12 04:24:32 PM
Conservatives only like state rights when it comes to legalizing discrimination.
 
2012-10-12 04:24:40 PM

stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.


Compared to all of the things in the realm of "legal", marijuana is harmless.
 
2012-10-12 04:25:07 PM

randomjsa: Doubtful. He knows the pot heads are already on his side.


That's why his DEA is cracking down on them as we speak.
 
2012-10-12 04:26:07 PM

Citrate1007: Conservatives only like state rights when it comes to legalizing discrimination.


Do you value the 10th amendment with respect to marijuana laws?
 
2012-10-12 04:26:20 PM

randomjsa: Doubtful. He knows the pot heads are already on his side.


Really? Why?

Medical marijuana trial for Aaron Sandusky continues with jury deliberations today

"LOS ANGELES - Jurors started deliberating late Thursday in the trial of Aaron Sandusky, a former president of three medical-marijuana dispensaries in Upland, Moreno Valley and Colton."

[...]

The jury will decide on six counts of drug trafficking against Sandusky, which could result in a sentence of 10 years to life in prison.

"Federal law states marijuana is illegal to manufacture, distribute or use," Judge Percy Anderson instructed the jury.


"You must disregard any state laws that state to the contrary."

END QUOTE


Yeah, Obama's your man.
 
2012-10-12 04:26:57 PM
Yep, freedom is SCARY, subby.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:22 PM

ferretman: I don't think so:

Federal Law trumps State Law


So, states get to decide abortion, civil rights, etc, but the federal government regulates drugs. Oh, and federal law trumps state law on gay rights, but only when it's more restrictive. Do I have this right?
 
2012-10-12 04:27:27 PM

stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.


So, by all means. Please post the statistics of deaths as a direct result of marijuana use.

Or maybe show the study that links marijuana to causing cancer or heart disease? I mean, I'm sure that you've formed your opinion about how terrible it is based on factual information and researched scientific study. It should be easy for you to find such evidence to support your position... right?
 
2012-10-12 04:28:03 PM

stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.


the stupid, it's burning one.
 
2012-10-12 04:30:00 PM
i.ytimg.com
 
2012-10-12 04:30:53 PM
It's a states issue since it's not a power in the federal constitution and by them forcing the subject they retain that power by not acquesing (cant' spell playing lol).
 
2012-10-12 04:31:51 PM

MSFT: Cletus C.: Let me be blunt, I wish they would pass in every state. More realistically, one or two might legalize pot.

President Romney will probably be too busy with transition and other things to make federal intervention any sort of a priority.

Yeah, but I hear he's working closely with Sarah Palin to insure a quick and easy transition.


She'll have her hands full settling in as Secretary of State.
 
2012-10-12 04:33:18 PM

stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.


No kidding. We legalize anything else and people will start calling this "the land of the free" or some BS.
I don't know about you, but if I wanted to be free I would move to Canada.
 
2012-10-12 04:34:38 PM

Cletus C.: MSFT: Cletus C.: Let me be blunt, I wish they would pass in every state. More realistically, one or two might legalize pot.

President Romney will probably be too busy with transition and other things to make federal intervention any sort of a priority.

Yeah, but I hear he's working closely with Sarah Palin to insure a quick and easy transition.

She'll have her hands full settling in as Secretary of State.


you see, you do have a sense of humor. look at you!
 
2012-10-12 04:35:40 PM

Amos Quito: randomjsa: Doubtful. He knows the pot heads are already on his side.

Really? Why?

Medical marijuana trial for Aaron Sandusky continues with jury deliberations today

"LOS ANGELES - Jurors started deliberating late Thursday in the trial of Aaron Sandusky, a former president of three medical-marijuana dispensaries in Upland, Moreno Valley and Colton."

[...]

The jury will decide on six counts of drug trafficking against Sandusky, which could result in a sentence of 10 years to life in prison.

"Federal law states marijuana is illegal to manufacture, distribute or use," Judge Percy Anderson instructed the jury.

"You must disregard any state laws that state to the contrary."

END QUOTE


Yeah, Obama's your man.


I hope that at least one of the jurors knows about jury nullification.

/Unlikely, though
 
2012-10-12 04:35:52 PM

Cletus C.: MSFT: Cletus C.: Let me be blunt, I wish they would pass in every state. More realistically, one or two might legalize pot.

President Romney will probably be too busy with transition and other things to make federal intervention any sort of a priority.

Yeah, but I hear he's working closely with Sarah Palin to insure a quick and easy transition.

She'll have her hands full settling in as Secretary of State.


No kidding! Time to go read all those maps again, maybe find that Africa country this time.
 
2012-10-12 04:36:40 PM
He's not talking about it because it is a non-issue for the POTUS. It has nothing to do with his jorb or his responsibilities as president, so his opinion means exactly dick. He knows full well that if it comes down to it the SCOTUS will be making the ruling on it, not the president, and he knows that if/when that happens he will be long gone anyway. So what would be the point of him getting involved with it, or even talking about it? The only thing it would accomplish is further national divisiveness. I actually think not talking about it shows a lot of responsibility and discipline on his part.
 
2012-10-12 04:36:53 PM

MSFT: stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.

No kidding. We legalize anything else and people will start calling this "the land of the free" or some BS.
I don't know about you, but if I wanted to be free I would move to Canada.


How about instead of legalize, decriminalize. Let the government just stay out of it. In addition to not arresting people or harassing people for growing it, selling it, possessing it, or using it, they also don't tax it, subsidize it, etc. Just make it not a crime and leave people alone.
 
2012-10-12 04:36:57 PM

MSFT: stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.

No kidding. We legalize anything else and people will start calling this "the land of the free" or some BS.
I don't know about you, but if I wanted to be free I would move to Canada.


I'm moving there.

To a dugout in the wilds of the Yukon Territories. As far from other people as I can possibly manage. And I'll kill anything that approaches on less than three legs.
 
2012-10-12 04:38:05 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: I hope that at least one of the jurors knows about jury nullification.


California. They'll probably be specifically instructed to not do it and have no idea what sentence the defendant faces.
 
2012-10-12 04:38:43 PM
It seems Republicans are for state's rights until they're not for them.

"The states can govern themselves!"

What about weed, abortion and gay marriage?

Oh, well, the Federal Government has spoken.


disgusting
 
2012-10-12 04:39:38 PM

jigger: MSFT: stewmadness: Yeaaaahhhh, somthing else legalized that is terrible for you.

No kidding. We legalize anything else and people will start calling this "the land of the free" or some BS.
I don't know about you, but if I wanted to be free I would move to Canada.

How about instead of legalize, decriminalize. Let the government just stay out of it. In addition to not arresting people or harassing people for growing it, selling it, possessing it, or using it, they also don't tax it, subsidize it, etc. Just make it not a crime and leave people alone.


Because this is a Christian country and Jesus knows what's best for you. Face it, brother, the only true freedom is through Christ.
 
2012-10-12 04:40:16 PM
Obama seems more for the federal enforcement of drug control than legalization. He's quiet on it, but he has his DEA switch set to "Stop Marijuana". He doesn't care about state legalization. He'll still go after it. But he won't say it. He'll let the DEA do the talking.
 
2012-10-12 04:41:26 PM

Eligarf: He's not talking about it because it is a non-issue for the POTUS. It has nothing to do with his jorb or his responsibilities as president, so his opinion means exactly dick. He knows full well that if it comes down to it the SCOTUS will be making the ruling on it, not the president, and he knows that if/when that happens he will be long gone anyway. So what would be the point of him getting involved with it, or even talking about it? The only thing it would accomplish is further national divisiveness. I actually think not talking about it shows a lot of responsibility and discipline on his part.


He's worth re-electing based on SCOTUS appointments alone. Anyone have any idea how many we expect to lose over the next 4yrs?
 
2012-10-12 04:41:48 PM
Sounds legit.
 
2012-10-12 04:42:35 PM
I got a bit quick witted there...abortion shouldn't probably be in there...being the feds are okay with it and they want it banned. And they want both abortion and gay marriage banned at the federal level.
 
2012-10-12 04:43:08 PM

Eligarf: He's not talking about it because it is a non-issue for the POTUS.


He did talk about it before. He said that the DEA would not fark with medical marijuana operations that were in compliance with state law. That lasted less than a year, then the DEA started farking with medical marijuana operations that were in compliance with state law.

Eligarf: It has nothing to do with his jorb or his responsibilities as president, so his opinion means exactly dick.


He is the boss of the DEA.

Eligarf: He knows full well that if it comes down to it the SCOTUS will be making the ruling on it, not the president, and he knows that if/when that happens he will be long gone anyway.


SCOTUS ruled on it in 2005. They said, fark you, federal law trumps state law. Commerce clause, biatches.

Eligarf: So what would be the point of him getting involved with it, or even talking about it? The only thing it would accomplish is further national divisiveness. I actually think not talking about it shows a lot of responsibility and discipline on his part.


Or completely cold calculated cynicism and hypocrisy.
 
2012-10-12 04:44:04 PM

MSFT: Cletus C.: MSFT: Cletus C.: Let me be blunt, I wish they would pass in every state. More realistically, one or two might legalize pot.

President Romney will probably be too busy with transition and other things to make federal intervention any sort of a priority.

Yeah, but I hear he's working closely with Sarah Palin to insure a quick and easy transition.

She'll have her hands full settling in as Secretary of State.

No kidding! Time to go read all those maps again, maybe find that Africa country this time.


Doesn't even need a map. She can see it from the hot tub on her lanai.
 
2012-10-12 04:44:52 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Amos Quito: randomjsa: Doubtful. He knows the pot heads are already on his side.

Really? Why?

Medical marijuana trial for Aaron Sandusky continues with jury deliberations today

"LOS ANGELES - Jurors started deliberating late Thursday in the trial of Aaron Sandusky, a former president of three medical-marijuana dispensaries in Upland, Moreno Valley and Colton."

[...]

The jury will decide on six counts of drug trafficking against Sandusky, which could result in a sentence of 10 years to life in prison.

"Federal law states marijuana is illegal to manufacture, distribute or use," Judge Percy Anderson instructed the jury.

"You must disregard any state laws that state to the contrary."

END QUOTE


Yeah, Obama's your man.

I hope that at least one of the jurors knows about jury nullification.

/Unlikely, though



I wish I could say that I thought that MORomney would be any better, but OMG, we're FARKED as a nation.

And people wonder why I feel we have NO decent candidate in this election.

Tweedle (D) vs Tweedle (R)
 
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