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2012-10-12 11:13:34 AM  
"I'm going, that's all there is to it, I'm farking going"
 
2012-10-12 11:16:38 AM  
I'd miss the beach, but I could live in Colorado I think.
 
2012-10-12 11:18:50 AM  
Drug addicts or Muslims.

Take your pick, America.
 
2012-10-12 11:20:40 AM  
 
2012-10-12 11:22:59 AM  

ferretman: I don't think so:

Federal Law trumps State Law


States are getting tired of it. Look at the Oregon "Right to Die" decision that directly says "Piss off" to the federal government and the feds can't do a thing about it.
 
2012-10-12 11:34:07 AM  
I'm hoping that Obama's just staying out of the issue until he's re-elected. I think we'll see some movement then.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:19 AM  

olddeegee: I'm hoping that Obama's just staying out of the issue until he's re-elected.


There's really no reason for him to do anything unless something actually passes. And Lord knows that stoners ain't exactly the most reliable voting block.
 
2012-10-12 11:47:17 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: olddeegee: I'm hoping that Obama's just staying out of the issue until he's re-elected.

There's really no reason for him to do anything unless something actually passes. And Lord knows that stoners ain't exactly the most reliable voting block.


I'm positive that's one of the biggest prohibitive issues with the entire movement. They are so busy rallying behind Ron Paul and the whack jobs that many supporters of NORML policy are their own worst enemy. If mainstream Americans started accepting and promoting the initiatives that these states are trying to adopt, I think it would be a huge positive change.

I'm looking at it from the perspective of saving money on jailing/arresting/processing people for what really amounts to nothing at all. And if we legalize marijuana, we cut off a major point of exposure to people for other drugs (drug dealers). Just my two cents.
 
2012-10-12 11:58:48 AM  
It's states' rights until liberals do it.
 
2012-10-12 12:00:19 PM  
Second term.
 
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2012-10-12 12:06:44 PM  

logistic: ferretman: I don't think so:

Federal Law trumps State Law

States are getting tired of it. Look at the Oregon "Right to Die" decision that directly says "Piss off" to the federal government and the feds can't do a thing about it.


Yes, look how well that worked out before.
 
2012-10-12 12:11:52 PM  

logistic: I'm looking at it from the perspective of saving money on jailing/arresting/processing people for what really amounts to nothing at all.


Oh, absolutely. There's literally billions of dollars that could be saved by sending people to rehab instead of jail.

Personally, I think they should treat it like homebrewing: you can grow an amount for your own personal consumption and give as gifts, but you're not allowed to sell it and you're only allowed to grow X amount/year.
 
2012-10-12 12:21:45 PM  
It's about farking time. Just legalize it already. I have yet to see a single reason to keep pot any more regulated than booze.

/don't have any interest in using it myself, just tired of sanctimonious BS
//And I support the crap out of state's rights.
 
2012-10-12 12:25:26 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Second term.


Do you actually believe that, or is it just wishful thinking? This administration is worse for medical marijuana than the administration before it.
 
2012-10-12 12:47:02 PM  
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2012-10-12 12:53:04 PM  

olddeegee: I'm hoping that Obama's just staying out of the issue until he's re-elected. I think we'll see some movement then.


The DEA would almost disappear if marijuana were legalized, so it's not going to happen.
 
2012-10-12 12:55:29 PM  
We already are. We just get our fix from the guys in the white jackets.
 
2012-10-12 12:56:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: olddeegee: I'm hoping that Obama's just staying out of the issue until he's re-elected. I think we'll see some movement then.

The DEA would almost disappear if marijuana were legalized, so it's not going to happen.


The DEA would be just fine. There are plenty of other drugs for them to go after. Local police forces don't like changing it. A bulky drug like pot is much easier to find than other drugs.
 
2012-10-12 12:58:07 PM  

violentsalvation: Do you actually believe that, or is it just wishful thinking?


I believe if anything is going to happen at the federal level, it will be in Obama's second term. Certainly could be considered wishful thinking.
 
2012-10-12 01:04:52 PM  

Bloody William: It's states' rights until liberals do it.

Marcus Aurelius: The DEA would almost disappear if marijuana were legalized, so it's not going to happen.


That isn't really true. In fact, Mj legalization might make the DEA better, since they could concentrate on harder drugs like meth.
 
2012-10-12 01:11:02 PM  
God I wish it was.
 
2012-10-12 01:13:34 PM  
Yeah, marijuana legalization is just a pipe dream.
 
2012-10-12 01:14:20 PM  
We already are.
 
2012-10-12 01:17:43 PM  

logistic: I'd miss the beach, but I could live in Colorado I think.


Colorado is great. Tons of interesting breweries, a culture of healthy living (if you want it), and amazing skiing and snowboarding.
 
2012-10-12 01:21:40 PM  
I don't even smoke weed but really, who gives a fark? Besides the DEA and Big Pharma?

/because all the European countries where weed is legal are Mad Max-post-apocalyptic hellholes
 
2012-10-12 01:22:20 PM  
Growing operations would be legalized, as would "infusion factories" that could blend marijuana into brownies and candy bars and lollipops, according to Tom Gorman, the director of the federal Rocky Mountain High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Area.

"If this passes, Colorado would have the most liberal marijuana laws in the developed world, more liberal than the Netherlands," said Gorman, whose group brings together local, state and federal law enforcement officials.


If this Gorman guy is trying to argue against legalization, he's doing a piss-poor job of it.
 
2012-10-12 01:31:10 PM  
What are the bad neighborhoods in Denver? It could be like Hamsterdam from The Wire.

www.ejumpcut.org
 
2012-10-12 01:38:16 PM  

FishyFred: logistic: I'd miss the beach, but I could live in Colorado I think.

Colorado is great. Tons of interesting breweries, a culture of healthy living (if you want it), and amazing skiing and snowboarding.


Downside for me is snow lol
 
2012-10-12 01:46:50 PM  
"Could Obama's secret plan involve turning the nation into drug addicts?"

Turning? That corner is behind us subby. Prohibition kills.
 
2012-10-12 01:53:13 PM  
Obama would win the election if he made ending the "War on Drugs" a priority for a second term.

And by "priority" I mean something he actually pushes for, not like all of his broken campaign promises from the last time around...
 
2012-10-12 01:54:26 PM  
Legalize it and tax the crap out of it.

It would help the states' budgets (which desperately need the money), and cut down on prison spending.
 
2012-10-12 01:55:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: olddeegee: I'm hoping that Obama's just staying out of the issue until he's re-elected. I think we'll see some movement then.

The DEA would almost disappear if marijuana were legalized, so it's not going to happen.



So would all that money to companies that build prisons, that staff and run prisons, and it would cut down on asset seizures so the local LEOs wouldn't get as much money.

"We mu$t protect our wallets the citizen$ from thi$ deadly $courge!"
 
2012-10-12 01:57:00 PM  

Leeds: Obama would win the election if he made ending the "War on Drugs" a priority for a second term.

And by "priority" I mean something he actually pushes for, not like all of his broken campaign promises from the last time around...


The problem is, even Rolling Stone admits Obama's war on pot makes Bush Jr. look like a piker.
 
2012-10-12 01:58:58 PM  
I suppose it wouldn't matter if I mentioned that cannabis isn't addictive...?
 
2012-10-12 01:59:59 PM  

Mugato: I don't even smoke weed but really, who gives a fark? Besides the DEA and Big Pharma?

/because all the European countries where weed is legal are Mad Max-post-apocalyptic hellholes


Sadly, it isn't legal in any country in Europe. It has been decriminalized in a few, and the police really don't do much to enforce existing laws in some, but it isn't legal.
 
2012-10-12 02:03:15 PM  

Weaver95: I suppose it wouldn't matter if I mentioned that cannabis isn't addictive...?


It's also damn near impossible to OD on.

And (something I have acute interest in) it has both analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties while being non-reactive even with weapons grade NSAIDs.
 
2012-10-12 02:07:10 PM  

give me doughnuts: Sadly, it isn't legal in any country in Europe. It has been decriminalized in a few, and the police really don't do much to enforce existing laws in some, but it isn't legal.


It's pretty decriminalized here in NYC. If you get caught with less than an ounce or so (which is a pretty decent amount) you get a small fine. If a first time offender of having (or even selling) marijuana commits no crimes and abides by any conditions set by the court, his case will be automatically dismissed after one year.
 
2012-10-12 02:07:10 PM  

Jubeebee: Weaver95: I suppose it wouldn't matter if I mentioned that cannabis isn't addictive...?

It's also damn near impossible to OD on.

And (something I have acute interest in) it has both analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties while being non-reactive even with weapons grade NSAIDs.


not to mention it can be turned into one hell of a cheap and effective anti-biotic.
 
2012-10-12 02:08:54 PM  
A) He won't comment on it, because he doesn't want to piss voters off on either side of the issue
B) The first time he ran, he said he wasn't going to go after MJ dispensaries in states that legalized medical MJ, provided they followed state laws. Yet the feds have been working overtime in California to shut them down. After getting bad press for raiding dispensaries, they've changed their tactics and are now going after the landlords of properties, threatening to confiscate entire strip malls if they don't evict a dispensary tenant.
 
2012-10-12 02:16:56 PM  

give me doughnuts: Sadly, it isn't legal in any country in Europe. It has been decriminalized in a few, and the police really don't do much to enforce existing laws in some, but it isn't legal.


Alright, "decriminalized". I actually knew that but who can bother spelling the word? The point remains. Even in a "decriminalized" world, there should be a higher level of reefer madness than a world where it's illegal, right?
 
2012-10-12 02:20:52 PM  

logistic: States are getting tired of it. Look at the Oregon "Right to Die" decision that directly says "Piss off" to the federal government and the feds can't do a thing about it.


Pretty much this. Since states have to legalized medical MJ, the fed has gone after them with a vigor (despite Obama's 2008 promise NOT to use federal resources for that very purpose). If the states outright legalize pot, the federal government will NOT be able to enforce it given that 10-15% of the population already smokes pot. If it's state law, the cities, county and state law enforcement agencies cannot prosecute for it. The feds don't have the resources to enforce it on that scale.

I'm optimistic that the 3 states will pass the law and start the collapse of the failed "War on Drugs."
 
2012-10-12 02:33:20 PM  

Weaver95: I suppose it wouldn't matter if I mentioned that cannabis isn't addictive...?


Tell that to the literal millions of 6 year olds who die every single day due to shooting up marijuana. Every second of every day, thousands die from overdosing on pots.

shambhalatimes.org
 
2012-10-12 02:34:30 PM  

Weaver95: Jubeebee: Weaver95: I suppose it wouldn't matter if I mentioned that cannabis isn't addictive...?

It's also damn near impossible to OD on.

And (something I have acute interest in) it has both analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties while being non-reactive even with weapons grade NSAIDs.

not to mention it can be turned into one hell of a cheap and effective anti-biotic.


It totally gets you high, too.

It's "win" all-around
 
2012-10-12 02:50:43 PM  

Weaver95: not to mention it can be turned into one hell of a cheap and effective anti-biotic.


Also anti-spasmodic and ant-emetic.
 
2012-10-12 02:53:21 PM  

Mugato: give me doughnuts: Sadly, it isn't legal in any country in Europe. It has been decriminalized in a few, and the police really don't do much to enforce existing laws in some, but it isn't legal.

Alright, "decriminalized". I actually knew that but who can bother spelling the word? The point remains. Even in a "decriminalized" world, there should be a higher level of reefer madness than a world where it's illegal, right?


Since Portugal went de-crim 10 years ago, it has decended into such a hellish state that it is now the 16th most peaceful country in the world!

(Iceland is 1st, and the U.S. is 88th)
 
2012-10-12 03:02:23 PM  
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We're already a nation of drug addicts.
 
2012-10-12 03:04:11 PM  

ferretman: I don't think so:

Unconstitutional and therefor ILLEGAL Federal Law trumps State Law



FTFY
 
2012-10-12 03:08:47 PM  

Amos Quito: ferretman: I don't think so:

Unconstitutional and therefor ILLEGAL Federal Law trumps State Law


FTFY


Please detail what parts of the Constitution are being violated by Federal laws prohibiting the growth, distribution, sale, and use of marijuana.
 
2012-10-12 03:16:13 PM  
Beyond the recreational use, which I don't pretend to hide the properties of or say they're bad, I'm genuinely interested in the use of cannabis as a psychosomatic drug and for its other medicinal properties. A friend of mine in California has a pot card and is legitimately on the stuff to treat bipolar disorder, and I can think of a lot of other friends who, while I can't guarantee it would help them, would at least benefit from looking into the possibilities of broadening their current treatment options.
 
2012-10-12 03:29:51 PM  

give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: ferretman: I don't think so:

Unconstitutional and therefor ILLEGAL Federal Law trumps State Law


FTFY

Please detail what parts of the Constitution are being violated by Federal laws prohibiting the growth, distribution, sale, and use of marijuana.



Better yet, you show me where the constitution specifically authorizes the Federal government to regulate the growth, distribution, sale, and use of marijuana.

Failing that, please refer to the Tenth Amendment.
 
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