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2012-10-12 10:32:55 AM
Yes, it is. The crocodile tears flow so conveniently.

thomasdolina.com
 
2012-10-12 10:37:15 AM
Yes it is. If Bush was in the Dictator removing business, why didn't he go after Assad?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-12 10:50:59 AM
If it isn't it soon will be. I don't think Republicans do anything that isn't partisan politics anymore.
 
2012-10-12 11:00:08 AM
I blame Obama for the attacks: the buck stops with the President. I just don't care that much because it's important to have state department representation in fledgling and unsafe democracies as long as the envoys understand the risks. We've had a long history of pulling out diplomats from very dangerous situations but you can't always predict that or get to them in time. Update our security policies and keep trying.
 
2012-10-12 11:06:33 AM
If Obama didn't want this investigated then he shouldn't have attacked our embassy.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:08 AM
Maybe if Romney and the republicans weren't so desperate and to be honest, just gleeful about politicizing this, it wouldn't have looked so farking crass and partisan.

9/11/01, largest terror attack on American soil in history, Bush enjoys the solidarity of a 94% approval rating
9/11/12, a riot in the Mideast results in the death of an ambassador, Romney and the republicans can't masturbate furiously enough
 
2012-10-12 11:21:54 AM
FTFA: ...politics are in fact how societies negotiate solutions to difficult problems.

I don't know whether you've been paying attention, Adam Serwer, but politics has become how our society deadlocks in coming to solutions to difficult problems.

We've seen Senate Republicans, for example, vote against legislation THEY PERSONALLY SPONSORED in order to deny the president what they feared would be a political victory. That isn't a process likely to produce many solutions. If you think it is, you're not living in the real world.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-12 11:31:23 AM
ournationfirst.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-12 11:33:03 AM
It's a very legit topic that also happens to be used by Romney in a shameful political way.
 
2012-10-12 11:46:11 AM
When Mother Jones calls a socialist out, you know you have a problem.
 
2012-10-12 11:57:35 AM
Should there be an investigation? yes
Does the premise that Obama or someone in the executive branch actively denied the mission to Libya additional security or even knew they had requested hold water? there has been no evidence to imply as much

See one's a fact finding mission to see what went wrong and prevent it in the future, the other is a political witch hunt
 
2012-10-12 12:12:51 PM
leftcall.com
 
2012-10-12 12:24:02 PM

zedster: Should there be an investigation? yes
Does the premise that Obama or someone in the executive branch actively denied the mission to Libya additional security or even knew they had requested hold water? there has been no evidence to imply as much

See one's a fact finding mission to see what went wrong and prevent it in the future, the other is a political witch hunt


But you don't understand! Fartbongo sat in the Oval Office, wearing his married-to-Islam ring and laughed along with his other secret Islamist infiltrators of the Executive branch as they personally signed off on denying any security at all to them!
 
2012-10-12 12:44:27 PM
imageshack.us
HA... International Affairs. HA HA HA HA
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-12 12:55:12 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: When Mother Jones calls a socialist out, you know you have a problem.


Were you heckling Chris Mathews last night?
 
2012-10-12 12:56:13 PM
Remember when four weeks after 9/11 we had congressional hearings to determine if the Bush administration had somehow farked up and were responsible for a serious breach of national security?

Good times.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-12 01:01:43 PM

dameron: Remember when four weeks after 9/11 we had congressional hearings to determine if the Bush administration had somehow farked up and were responsible for a serious breach of national security?

Good times.


And it turned out that "somehow" he had? I do remember that.
 
2012-10-12 01:14:46 PM
Anyone who thinks Barack Obama is a socialist is literally retarded. And no, I am not misusing the word literally.
 
2012-10-12 01:46:17 PM
A legitimate criticism of Obama? From the left? Greenlit? This happens every, what, thousand links on the Pol tab?
 
2012-10-12 01:46:59 PM
The Smirk gets a lot of play around here and still gets a bit of a reaction from me. I wonder if the Obama campaign has the gumption to parlay that into an attack ad. It'll be tough to do that without reminding people that he kinda bobbled it but a campaign like his should be able to spin it.

The people who only use the internet for facebook and porn need to know The Smirk.
 
2012-10-12 01:48:58 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: A legitimate criticism of Obama? From the left? Greenlit? This happens every, what, thousand links on the Pol tab?


It's hard to fit them in what with the endless stream of Right Wing Herp A Derp flooding the tab.
 
2012-10-12 01:49:45 PM

Mugato: Maybe if Romney and the republicans weren't so desperate and to be honest, just gleeful about politicizing this, it wouldn't have looked so farking crass and partisan.

9/11/01, largest terror attack on American soil in history, Bush enjoys the solidarity of a 94% approval rating
9/11/12, a riot in the Mideast results in the death of an ambassador, Romney and the republicans can't masturbate furiously enough


Look, in their defense, Fast and Furious is over. They need something to feign outrage over in an attempt to make Obama look bad.
 
2012-10-12 01:54:14 PM
Inherently, no, it is not, and should not be a partisan activity. It should be a chance to reflect on what happened and learn how to prevent things like this from ever happening again.

In reality, it's become a partisan blame game, and that makes us weaker, not stronger.
 
2012-10-12 01:55:28 PM
"I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks."

www1.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-10-12 01:58:52 PM
Scrutinizing is determining what went wrong, politicizing is blaming someone before the facts are known. And having the House Committee on Oversight make a public hearing that practically exposed CIA involvement demonstrates the stupidity of these politicians' grandstanding and posturing, just for a chance at finding something, anything, they can use as 'evidence' to support their unshakable belief that the President is purposely hating on 'murica.

As it turns out, it could very well be their damn fault since they were the ones who cut the funding for additional security. But really how would it have appeared for American embassy security to be firing on a mob, not that I condone the deaths of the Americans at the embassy, just considering the alternate scenario where funding was sufficient and security was beefed up.
 
2012-10-12 02:05:09 PM

vpb: dameron: Remember when four weeks after 9/11 we had congressional hearings to determine if the Bush administration had somehow farked up and were responsible for a serious breach of national security?

Good times.

And it turned out that "somehow" he had? I do remember that.

Jun 20, 2012 9:09 AM EDT


wallpoper.com
 
2012-10-12 02:12:29 PM

muck1969: Scrutinizing is determining what went wrong, politicizing is blaming someone before the facts are known. And having the House Committee on Oversight make a public hearing that practically exposed CIA involvement demonstrates the stupidity of these politicians' grandstanding and posturing, just for a chance at finding something, anything, they can use as 'evidence' to support their unshakable belief that the President is purposely hating on 'murica.

As it turns out, it could very well be their damn fault since they were the ones who cut the funding for additional security. But really how would it have appeared for American embassy security to be firing on a mob, not that I condone the deaths of the Americans at the embassy, just considering the alternate scenario where funding was sufficient and security was beefed up.


That is what makes me grumpy too - the image of security unloading on a hostile crowd would not be good. I understand we need to protect our embassies, so at what point are Marines just given a free fire order? I presume it has to be something pretty drastic because I don't really recall that happening since Vietnam
 
2012-10-12 02:13:07 PM

Mugato: Maybe if Romney and the republicans weren't so desperate and to be honest, just gleeful about politicizing this, it wouldn't have looked so farking crass and partisan.

9/11/01, largest terror attack on American soil in history, Bush enjoys the solidarity of a 94% approval rating
3/19/03, a full-scale invasion of Iraq is launched. Despite no evidence of Iraq having an active WMD program and a growing insurgency, Bush cruises to re-election.
9/11/12, a riot in the Mideast results in the death of an ambassador, Romney and the republicans can't masturbate furiously enough


Just thought I'd add that.
 
2012-10-12 02:13:40 PM

error 303: Inherently, no, it is not, and should not be a partisan activity. It should be a chance to reflect on what happened and learn how to prevent things like this from ever happening again.

In reality, it's become a partisan blame game, and that makes us weaker, not stronger.


its easy for it to become partisan. All democrats do when Obama farks up is say it's a partisan issue.

The whole story fed to the public by Obama was a lie.
 
2012-10-12 02:14:25 PM

Lumpmoose: I blame Obama for the attacks: the buck stops with the President. I just don't care that much because it's important to have state department representation in fledgling and unsafe democracies as long as the envoys understand the risks. We've had a long history of pulling out diplomats from very dangerous situations but you can't always predict that or get to them in time. Update our security policies and keep trying.


Yeah! Remember when Schmobama voted against embassy security funding?
 
2012-10-12 02:17:46 PM
So...We had seven embassy attacks under Bush. Did ANY get a congressional investigation?
 
2012-10-12 02:20:54 PM
Sorry, Team Obama: Scrutinizing the Libya attacks isn't partisan politics

The hell it isn't you stupid horsef*cker!

Jackson Herring: Anyone who thinks Barack Obama is a socialist is literally retarded. And no, I am not misusing the word literally.


You just described half my coworkers. And I agree with you.
 
2012-10-12 02:21:04 PM

Lumpmoose: I blame Obama for the attacks: the buck stops with the President.


House Republicans cut the administration's request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. You can't blame the mechanic if you refuse to give him the tools.

I just don't care that much because it's important to have state department representation in fledgling and unsafe democracies as long as the envoys understand the risks. We've had a long history of pulling out diplomats from very dangerous situations but you can't always predict that or get to them in time. Update our security policies and keep trying.

I agree. Even with extra funding, there will eventually be more tragic events like this in the future. You can't have diplomats in regions like this and guarantee 100% safety.
 
2012-10-12 02:28:39 PM

Mrbogey: error 303: Inherently, no, it is not, and should not be a partisan activity. It should be a chance to reflect on what happened and learn how to prevent things like this from ever happening again.

In reality, it's become a partisan blame game, and that makes us weaker, not stronger.

its easy for it to become partisan. All democrats do when Obama farks up is say it's a partisan issue.

The whole story fed to the public by Obama was a lie.


Fast & Furious? White House didn't know; neither did Holder. It was all disposable underlings.

Benghazi? White House didn't know; neither, I'm sure we'll soon be told, did Hillary. It was all disposable underlings.

Solyndra? White House didn't know; neither did Stephen Chu. It was all disposable underlings.

Responsibility, how does that work?
 
2012-10-12 02:33:22 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Mrbogey: error 303: Inherently, no, it is not, and should not be a partisan activity. It should be a chance to reflect on what happened and learn how to prevent things like this from ever happening again.

In reality, it's become a partisan blame game, and that makes us weaker, not stronger.

its easy for it to become partisan. All democrats do when Obama farks up is say it's a partisan issue.

The whole story fed to the public by Obama was a lie.

Fast & Furious? White House didn't know; neither did Holder. It was all disposable underlings.

Benghazi? White House didn't know; neither, I'm sure we'll soon be told, did Hillary. It was all disposable underlings.

Solyndra? White House didn't know; neither did Stephen Chu. It was all disposable underlings.

Responsibility, how does that work?


I dunno, let's ask the Republicans in congress.
 
2012-10-12 02:33:24 PM
I'm not saying that I think Republicans have done a particularly effective job of holding the administration accountable on Libya. In fact, I think they've done a pretty poor job, because their partisan tactics have undermined their inquiry into legitimate matters.

Isn't this what the original quote was about, the partisanship of the attack on Obama? I didn't get from the quote that they shouldn't talk about it at all, but that the WAY the Romney camp is handling this is the issue.

Let's point out the Romney smirking photos again, ok guys? THAT'S the issue here, not that they're holding Obama accountable, but that they are slobbering like starving hyenas over an abandoned carcass.
 
2012-10-12 02:36:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: When Mother Jones calls a socialist out, you know you have a problem.


Do you think your assessment will change after you read the article?
 
2012-10-12 02:37:09 PM
True Fact: A lot of old-school lefties are actively working as concern trolls these days because they want a Romney victory in November. They want it for two reasons... 1) they are way too comfortable playing the role of the "outraged opposition," and have no idea what to do with themselves when an actual Dem is in power, and 2) they still have fluttery fantasies of getting Hillary elected in 2016.

You think putting party over country is bad? There are people putting petty intra-party grudges over the long-term good of the planet. Seriously.
 
2012-10-12 02:46:31 PM
if everyone would have just listened to obama explain it as outrage over a youtube video, and then just let it go, we wouldn't be in this mess now, and obama would have a better chance of being re-elected.

damn republicans. the final debate is going to be about foreign policy and obama's gonna get hammered.
 
2012-10-12 02:47:08 PM

masercot: So...We had seven embassy attacks under Bush. Did ANY get a congressional investigation?


Yes.

But I think the raise the bar when an ambassador is killed after repeatedly requesting help in a highly volatile part of the world.
 
2012-10-12 02:48:34 PM

neenerist: tenpoundsofcheese: When Mother Jones calls a socialist out, you know you have a problem.

Do you think your assessment will change after you read the article?


I don't need to re-read it.

Funny to see the other socialists are angry about this and circling the wagons.

0bama ain't getting the socialist of the year award from them this year.
 
2012-10-12 02:49:43 PM

colon_pow: if everyone would have just listened to obama explain it as outrage over a youtube video, and then just let it go, we wouldn't be in this mess now, and obama would have a better chance of being re-elected.

damn republicans. the final debate is going to be about foreign policy and obama's gonna get hammered.


yeah, and whereas that it is bad for 0bama, it is great for America. Who are you cheering for?
 
2012-10-12 02:50:58 PM
imageshack.us

First US Ambassador assassinated in 30 yrs.
 
2012-10-12 02:52:28 PM

ferretman: [imageshack.us image 600x400]

First US Ambassador assassinated in 30 yrs.


Paul Ryan is an ambassador and got assassinated? Well.....he did get assassinated, but he most definitely isn't an ambassador.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:29 PM
...the way the Republicans have been doing it, yes it is.

/They couldn't care less about the attack, or its victims...they just care whether the President will term it a terrorist attack or not.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:49 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: colon_pow: if everyone would have just listened to obama explain it as outrage over a youtube video, and then just let it go, we wouldn't be in this mess now, and obama would have a better chance of being re-elected.

damn republicans. the final debate is going to be about foreign policy and obama's gonna get hammered.

yeah, and whereas that it is bad for 0bama, it is great for America. Who are you cheering for?


i'm being totally facetious.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:55 PM

Sgt Otter: Mugato: Maybe if Romney and the republicans weren't so desperate and to be honest, just gleeful about politicizing this, it wouldn't have looked so farking crass and partisan.

9/11/01, largest terror attack on American soil in history, Bush enjoys the solidarity of a 94% approval rating
3/19/03, a full-scale invasion of Iraq is launched. Despite no evidence of Iraq having an active WMD program and a growing insurgency, Bush cruises to re-election.
9/11/12, a riot in the Mideast results in the death of an ambassador, Romney and the republicans can't masturbate furiously enough

Just thought I'd add that.


Well, no one's going to answer that so it apparently doesn't matter.
 
2012-10-12 03:01:50 PM

ferretman: [imageshack.us image 600x400]

First US Ambassador assassinated in 30 yrs.


Your use of "assassinated" suggests you have no idea what the word means.
 
2012-10-12 03:05:00 PM
FTA:

If a US ambassador was killed in 2008, are we to believe that Democrats wouldn't have used the incident to question Republicans' handling of national security matters during the presidential race,


I said this in the other thread yesterday, but here we go again.

At least the following attacks occurred during the Bush admin:

2002: Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
2004; Embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan
2004: Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
2006: Embassy in Damascus, Syria
2007: Embassy in Athens, Greece
2008: Consulate in Instanbul, Turkey
2008: Embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
2008: Embassy in Belgrade, Serbia

Plus, there were other attacks against diplomatic targets, like the bombing of the Karachi Marriot that killed US diplomat Daniel Foy.


I do not recall any of them being politicized like this. Nor do I recall anyone trying to use 20/20 hindsight to retroactively micromanage the state department security budget.
 
2012-10-12 03:05:35 PM

Slam Bradley: muck1969: Scrutinizing is determining what went wrong, politicizing is blaming someone before the facts are known. And having the House Committee on Oversight make a public hearing that practically exposed CIA involvement demonstrates the stupidity of these politicians' grandstanding and posturing, just for a chance at finding something, anything, they can use as 'evidence' to support their unshakable belief that the President is purposely hating on 'murica.

As it turns out, it could very well be their damn fault since they were the ones who cut the funding for additional security. But really how would it have appeared for American embassy security to be firing on a mob, not that I condone the deaths of the Americans at the embassy, just considering the alternate scenario where funding was sufficient and security was beefed up.

That is what makes me grumpy too - the image of security unloading on a hostile crowd would not be good. I understand we need to protect our embassies, so at what point are Marines just given a free fire order? I presume it has to be something pretty drastic because I don't really recall that happening since Vietnam


...but then it would make a great movie starring Samuel L. Jackson.

/YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!
//...yes, I realize that's a different movie from the one you're thinking of...
 
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