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2012-10-12 10:05:19 AM  
A long time ago folks in Seattle basically removed a hill, put the dirt in Elliot Bay and plopped part of the city on top of it. I do not want to be in the south part of downtown when the big one hits.
 
2012-10-12 10:22:56 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: A long time ago folks in Seattle basically removed a hill, put the dirt in Elliot Bay and plopped part of the city on top of it. I do not want to be in the south part of downtown when the big one hits.


Yeah, SoDo and maybe Queen Anne are toast. Meanwhile, all we have to worry about here in Tacoma when "The Big One" happens, is Mt. Rainier blowing up. Our soil is compacted glacial till. But our mountain is a volcano. So we have that going for us.
 
2012-10-12 10:23:55 AM  
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2012-10-12 10:31:41 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OtherBrotherDarryl: A long time ago folks in Seattle basically removed a hill, put the dirt in Elliot Bay and plopped part of the city on top of it. I do not want to be in the south part of downtown when the big one hits.

Yeah, SoDo and maybe Queen Anne are toast. Meanwhile, all we have to worry about here in Tacoma when "The Big One" happens, is Mt. Rainier blowing up. Our soil is compacted glacial till. But our mountain is a volcano. So we have that going for us.


Queen Anne is on a hill so probably not, but the Interbay area between QA and Magnolia yep definitely.

If Rainier goes, St Helens will look like a Peter Brady experiment by comparison.
 
2012-10-12 10:34:56 AM  
In portland we have food carts which can quickly be deployed throughout the city when all the restaurants sink into the earth. Also fixed gear hipsters will be able to provide city wide delivery when the transportation goes tits up.

/ Basically PDX will be ok
 
2012-10-12 10:50:41 AM  
You know who won't be OK? All those towns out on the pacific coast. Most of the land out there is sandbar / ancient mudflats built up. The bridges will wash out, they'll be flooded over. I would not want to be on Ocean Shores (WA) or anywhere near there.
 
2012-10-12 10:59:12 AM  

Generation_D:

If Rainier goes, St Helens will look like a Peter Brady experiment by comparison.


AIUI, in terms of death toll (tens of thousands) and dollar value of property damage (low billions), yes, definitely. In terms of the geographic extent, not really. The lahars will wipe out Puyallup and New Tacoma and parts of Northeast Tacoma. If you're anywhere along 167, you're buried in a mountain of boiling mud. JB Lewis-McChord is probably a write-off. But Rainier is not likely to be anywhere near as explosive as St. Helens, the danger areas are pretty predictable.

i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-12 11:13:26 AM  

FloydA: Generation_D:

If Rainier goes, St Helens will look like a Peter Brady experiment by comparison.

AIUI, in terms of death toll (tens of thousands) and dollar value of property damage (low billions), yes, definitely. In terms of the geographic extent, not really. The lahars will wipe out Puyallup and New Tacoma and parts of Northeast Tacoma. If you're anywhere along 167, you're buried in a mountain of boiling mud. JB Lewis-McChord is probably a write-off. But Rainier is not likely to be anywhere near as explosive as St. Helens, the danger areas are pretty predictable.

[i105.photobucket.com image 357x344]


That looks like a very bad day.
 
2012-10-12 12:12:55 PM  
HAHA PBS, ONCE YOU'RE DEFUNDED YOUR COMMUNIST SCIENCE WILL NO LONGER THREATEN SEATTLE!
 
2012-10-12 12:13:17 PM  
I thought that liquefaction was a well-known consequence of earthquakes. Hell, I only lived in California for three years (and left ten years ago), and I knew all about it. Why is anyone surprised by this?
 
2012-10-12 12:25:52 PM  
Yes, it will. This is news? I used to work on the 2nd floor of a building in Richmond, BC and we just figured that after an earthquake we'd be on on the ground floor and could go out through a window.
 
2012-10-12 12:42:15 PM  
SCOTT ASHFORD, Oregon State University: On the average, they occur about every 300 years. The last one was 312 years ago.

TOM BEARDEN: Do the math.


I was told there would be no math.
 
2012-10-12 12:47:00 PM  
Glad I dont work on the Tideflats or live in Orting. And even more so if theres a quake.
 
2012-10-12 12:48:41 PM  
I had liquid soil once. An entire day moving between the bed and the toilet with nothing but crackers and Gaterade to eat. That's the last time I try the chili!
 
2012-10-12 12:49:01 PM  
So... It looks like a lot of hipsters are going to die. They moved to Portland to retire, now they can die soon too.
 
2012-10-12 12:49:04 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OtherBrotherDarryl: A long time ago folks in Seattle basically removed a hill, put the dirt in Elliot Bay and plopped part of the city on top of it. I do not want to be in the south part of downtown when the big one hits.

Yeah, SoDo and maybe Queen Anne are toast. Meanwhile, all we have to worry about here in Tacoma when "The Big One" happens, is Mt. Rainier blowing up. Our soil is compacted glacial till. But our mountain is a volcano. So we have that going for us.


When the Cascadia fault finally cuts loose, most of the west coast is toast. It's going to wreck cities from Vancouver to Sacramento.

And then the tsunami! Woo!
 
2012-10-12 01:06:29 PM  
Girion47

HAHA PBS, ONCE YOU'RE DEFUNDED YOUR COMMUNIST SCIENCE WILL NO LONGER THREATEN SEATTLE!

Dear dumbass.

PBS is television (the "B"), not a science foundation or research lab.

Furthermore they're reporting as "NEWS" something taught in 3rd grade.

But keep herpa-derping, you are an entertaining fool.
mysticinvestigations.com
 
2012-10-12 01:14:10 PM  

OnlyM3: Girion47

HAHA PBS, ONCE YOU'RE DEFUNDED YOUR COMMUNIST SCIENCE WILL NO LONGER THREATEN SEATTLE!
Dear dumbass.

PBS is television (the "B"), not a science foundation or research lab.

Furthermore they're reporting as "NEWS" something taught in 3rd grade.

But keep herpa-derping, you are an entertaining fool.
[mysticinvestigations.com image 227x300]


Dear Dumbass,

Please learn to recognize satire
 
2012-10-12 01:41:46 PM  

Girion47: OnlyM3: Girion47

HAHA PBS, ONCE YOU'RE DEFUNDED YOUR COMMUNIST SCIENCE WILL NO LONGER THREATEN SEATTLE!
Dear dumbass.

PBS is television (the "B"), not a science foundation or research lab.

Furthermore they're reporting as "NEWS" something taught in 3rd grade.

But keep herpa-derping, you are an entertaining fool.
[mysticinvestigations.com image 227x300]

Dear Dumbass,

Please learn to recognize satire


We are living in a post-satire world.
 
2012-10-12 01:55:44 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Girion47: OnlyM3: Girion47

HAHA PBS, ONCE YOU'RE DEFUNDED YOUR COMMUNIST SCIENCE WILL NO LONGER THREATEN SEATTLE!
Dear dumbass.

PBS is television (the "B"), not a science foundation or research lab.

Furthermore they're reporting as "NEWS" something taught in 3rd grade.

But keep herpa-derping, you are an entertaining fool.
[mysticinvestigations.com image 227x300]

Dear Dumbass,

Please learn to recognize satire

We are living in a post-satire world.


www.caglecartoons.com

theconnorchronicles.files.wordpress.com 

/Post-Satire = Rapist-Toes (anagrammed)
 
2012-10-12 02:09:17 PM  

Rent Party: Benevolent Misanthrope: OtherBrotherDarryl: A long time ago folks in Seattle basically removed a hill, put the dirt in Elliot Bay and plopped part of the city on top of it. I do not want to be in the south part of downtown when the big one hits.

Yeah, SoDo and maybe Queen Anne are toast. Meanwhile, all we have to worry about here in Tacoma when "The Big One" happens, is Mt. Rainier blowing up. Our soil is compacted glacial till. But our mountain is a volcano. So we have that going for us.

When the Cascadia fault finally cuts loose, most of the west coast is toast. It's going to wreck cities from Vancouver to Sacramento.

And then the tsunami! Woo!


The good news for the PNW is we'll be one of the least effected areas of the US when the Yellowstone Caldera blows. So we have that going for us. Which is nice.
 
2012-10-12 02:11:16 PM  

davidphogan: Rent Party: Benevolent Misanthrope: OtherBrotherDarryl: A long time ago folks in Seattle basically removed a hill, put the dirt in Elliot Bay and plopped part of the city on top of it. I do not want to be in the south part of downtown when the big one hits.

Yeah, SoDo and maybe Queen Anne are toast. Meanwhile, all we have to worry about here in Tacoma when "The Big One" happens, is Mt. Rainier blowing up. Our soil is compacted glacial till. But our mountain is a volcano. So we have that going for us.

When the Cascadia fault finally cuts loose, most of the west coast is toast. It's going to wreck cities from Vancouver to Sacramento.

And then the tsunami! Woo!

The good news for the PNW is we'll be one of the least effected areas of the US when the Yellowstone Caldera blows. So we have that going for us. Which is nice.


Indeed. Thank God for the jet stream...
 
2012-10-12 02:40:30 PM  
Did anyone else have a problem where the Video started playing, and then about 15 seconds in an ad for Intel started playing on top of it (instead of before it)
 
2012-10-12 03:32:12 PM  
Sadly, the Pacific NW will be well and truly farked when the "BIG ONE" hits. There hasn't been a real quake/tsunami in so long that no one currently there thinks it's possible in their lifetimes.

I know, I grew up on the Oregon Coast. Pretty much the entire coastline will be decimated by either the ground shaking/turning to quicksand and/or the wall of water that will wash everything out to sea. Did I think about it much when I was there? No. It's depressing enough as it is without the constant threat of severe natural disaster.

Even though I live in Arizona now it's stories like these that make me think about my parents, relatives and good friends who all live either on the Coast or in the Willamette Valley.

/hoping it's a bunch of little quakes that let off the pressure that's been building for centuries
 
2012-10-12 03:33:41 PM  
Liquefaction is when soil behaves LIKE a liquid. It doesn't actually BECOME liquid.
 
2012-10-12 03:35:15 PM  

orezona: Sadly, the Pacific NW will be well and truly farked when the "BIG ONE" hits. There hasn't been a real quake/tsunami in so long that no one currently there thinks it's possible in their lifetimes.

I know, I grew up on the Oregon Coast. Pretty much the entire coastline will be decimated by either the ground shaking/turning to quicksand and/or the wall of water that will wash everything out to sea. Did I think about it much when I was there? No. It's depressing enough as it is without the constant threat of severe natural disaster.

Even though I live in Arizona now it's stories like these that make me think about my parents, relatives and good friends who all live either on the Coast or in the Willamette Valley.

/hoping it's a bunch of little quakes that let off the pressure that's been building for centuries


Send them all copies of this.

Cascadia's Fault

It motivated me to add an earthquake rider to my homeowner's insurance and prepare a bit (wrench by the gas and water cutoffs to the house, etc...)
 
2012-10-12 03:43:53 PM  

Generation_D:


I know! Let's put all the sports stadiums right in that red zone. Great marketing tie in: red zone offense, red zone "you gonna get earthquaked". Awesome branding.

/I'm working in middle of that zone so I'm getting a kick out of this
 
2012-10-12 04:37:25 PM  

Rent Party: orezona: Sadly, the Pacific NW will be well and truly farked when the "BIG ONE" hits. There hasn't been a real quake/tsunami in so long that no one currently there thinks it's possible in their lifetimes.

I know, I grew up on the Oregon Coast. Pretty much the entire coastline will be decimated by either the ground shaking/turning to quicksand and/or the wall of water that will wash everything out to sea. Did I think about it much when I was there? No. It's depressing enough as it is without the constant threat of severe natural disaster.

Even though I live in Arizona now it's stories like these that make me think about my parents, relatives and good friends who all live either on the Coast or in the Willamette Valley.

/hoping it's a bunch of little quakes that let off the pressure that's been building for centuries

Send them all copies of this.

Cascadia's Fault

It motivated me to add an earthquake rider to my homeowner's insurance and prepare a bit (wrench by the gas and water cutoffs to the house, etc...)


How much was that earthquake rider? Last I checked it was almost $800 per year.
 
2012-10-12 04:41:33 PM  
So a quake would do irreparable damage to portland's underground? I'm not seeing a downside here.
 
2012-10-12 05:01:47 PM  

caddisfly: Rent Party: orezona: Sadly, the Pacific NW will be well and truly farked when the "BIG ONE" hits. There hasn't been a real quake/tsunami in so long that no one currently there thinks it's possible in their lifetimes.

I know, I grew up on the Oregon Coast. Pretty much the entire coastline will be decimated by either the ground shaking/turning to quicksand and/or the wall of water that will wash everything out to sea. Did I think about it much when I was there? No. It's depressing enough as it is without the constant threat of severe natural disaster.

Even though I live in Arizona now it's stories like these that make me think about my parents, relatives and good friends who all live either on the Coast or in the Willamette Valley.

/hoping it's a bunch of little quakes that let off the pressure that's been building for centuries

Send them all copies of this.

Cascadia's Fault

It motivated me to add an earthquake rider to my homeowner's insurance and prepare a bit (wrench by the gas and water cutoffs to the house, etc...)

How much was that earthquake rider? Last I checked it was almost $800 per year.


Mine runs about $500 a year with Met Life, but I also rolled my car and business insurances up with them.

Compared to the $400K it would take to replace the house, it's worth it.
 
2012-10-12 05:55:11 PM  
Liquid soil?
We have liquid soil 10 months out of the year.
We panic when it stops raining long enough for it to get dry & hard!
 
2012-10-12 07:15:14 PM  
Someone please look up THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH for me so I can buy some land there for retirement.
 
2012-10-12 08:51:38 PM  
Liquefaction. How does it work?! [shrugs as he's slowly swallowed by the savagely slipshod]
 
2012-10-12 08:53:17 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Someone please look up THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH for me so I can buy some land there for retirement.


NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.

Race ya!
 
2012-10-12 08:54:18 PM  

scalpod: JohnBigBootay: Someone please look up THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH for me so I can buy some land there for retirement.

NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.

Race ya!


I'd just go to Durango, they at least have breweries
 
2012-10-12 08:55:32 PM  

scalpod: JohnBigBootay: Someone please look up THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH for me so I can buy some land there for retirement.

NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.

Race ya!


NW New Mexico, that is. Beautiful country. I'm sure you'll just love it.
 
2012-10-12 08:56:18 PM  

scalpod: scalpod: JohnBigBootay: Someone please look up THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH for me so I can buy some land there for retirement.

NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.

Race ya!

NW New Mexico, that is. Beautiful country. I'm sure you'll just love it.


Who? Me?! Surely you must be joking?
 
2012-10-12 10:26:27 PM  

scalpod: NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.


Enjoy your Hantavirus.
 
2012-10-12 10:57:39 PM  

Ivo Shandor: scalpod: NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.

Enjoy your Hantavirus.


I'm waiting 'til Dec 25th.
 
2012-10-13 12:42:39 AM  

scalpod: JohnBigBootay: Someone please look up THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH for me so I can buy some land there for retirement.

NE New Mexico in the "four corners" area. I overlaid publicly available maps for all natural disasters and it looked to be the safest.

Race ya!


I think there's less chance of something happening in NW China. Granted, there's nothing out there but some yak herders and a lot of windy, dusty desert. The "pole of isolation"
 
2012-10-13 01:14:52 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: FloydA: Generation_D:

If Rainier goes, St Helens will look like a Peter Brady experiment by comparison.

AIUI, in terms of death toll (tens of thousands) and dollar value of property damage (low billions), yes, definitely. In terms of the geographic extent, not really. The lahars will wipe out Puyallup and New Tacoma and parts of Northeast Tacoma. If you're anywhere along 167, you're buried in a mountain of boiling mud. JB Lewis-McChord is probably a write-off. But Rainier is not likely to be anywhere near as explosive as St. Helens, the danger areas are pretty predictable.

[i105.photobucket.com image 357x344]

That looks like a very bad day.


Worst part? Rainier doesn't even have to erupt for a lahar to form...
 
2012-10-13 11:16:44 AM  
This is basically what happened in the Marina district during the Loma Prieta in '89, so yeah.
 
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