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2012-10-12 02:32:12 PM
By the way, I just got an answer back from that The Village Family counseling place in Fargo: a counselor would have been allowed to see an actively suicidal minor, even if he walked in by himself without parental consent.

The problems would have been 1) finding out about that, and 2) getting to Fargo -- ~70 miles away via I-29 -- at age 14.

Dammit.
 
2012-10-12 02:32:38 PM
Pearl Jam never appealed to me. Now I know why.
 
2012-10-12 02:36:30 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Fabric_Man: Am I the only person who thinks the entire concept of a high school is a bad idea? Do we really want to gather that many mentally-unstable people in a single building?

Always thought this about Junior High (Middle School). In my time, people were over themselves and doing their own thing in High School.

17 is the new 13


I think it depends on the high school. My High School didn't really have "cliques" and "jocks", etc. I think it was because it was a magnet trade school that took in kids from 5 separate districts, so it broke up any cliques that had been formed in like elementary school.

If there's a situation were you were with same group of kids since say kindergarten, which looks like the case here, you never had a chance to re-invent yourself or get away from that one sadistic bully.
 
2012-10-12 02:38:22 PM

Mirrorz: PsiChick: /Let me guess, you think you're a scientist too, don't you?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I just remember you getting reamed in a TF discussion a couple years ago for going on about your psychic abilities. Apparently your genius still knows no bounds.


Most of the people who reply to pretty much anything I say with 'PSYCHIC!@!111!!!' are self-proclaimed scientists who demand to know why I'm not omnipotent. These people usually also think I talk to ghosts. This is because when they start talking about psychics, they have no farking clue what they're talking about, and are pretty much the liberal version of that self-deluded Teabagger who claims he understands string theory better than the latest science because Bible.

/It gets old after the first ten times. I'd imagine you can tell. :p
 
2012-10-12 02:44:00 PM

The One True TheDavid: By the way, I just got an answer back from that The Village Family counseling place in Fargo: a counselor would have been allowed to see an actively suicidal minor, even if he walked in by himself without parental consent.

The problems would have been 1) finding out about that, and 2) getting to Fargo -- ~70 miles away via I-29 -- at age 14.

Dammit.


I think there are several parts to that problem. Sometimes people don't know they need help. Sometimes they don't know they can get help. Sometimes they don't want help.
 
2012-10-12 02:50:21 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Nick Nostril: SlothB77: Most overrated PJ song.

There are probably 125 pearl jam songs i prefer over Jeremy, yet all radio plays is Jeremy.

This.

They play that one Alice in Chains, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Nirvana songs.


Probably the worse offense is the only Radiohead song radio will play is 'Creep'. Starting with OK, Computer, Radiohead changed the sound of their music and became incredible. Defining Radiohead by Creep is like defining the Beatles by all their music prior to the Revolver album. It is just a disgrace.
 
2012-10-12 02:52:10 PM

ciberido: PhDemented: Not really... my sis works in the ER and tells me how scary often they get failed gunshot suicides. Some put the gun to their temple, and just blow out their frontal cortex, which doesn't kill them and leaves them brain damaged. Others put the gun in their mouth and shoot up, blowing their face off but not even hitting the brain.

She says a lot of docs/nurses really want to tell the people how to do it right, because they know there is a better than even odds they'll be back in a month after another failed attempt.

Actually, of people who survive a suicide attempt, only about 10 to 15 percent die by a later suicide attempt.

This article says it's 10 percent.

Also, I was reading an article about the Golden Gate Bridge suicide barrier a while back, and it said that of the people who jumped off the bridge and survived, many of them regretted the suicide attempt before they hit water. Obviously we can only speculate how many of the ones who died may have regretted it after it was too late. Can't remember offhand, but I'm sure you can find it yourself if you care.

I also have a friend who attempted suicide in high school and later said she was very glad the attempt failed. So, you'll understand if I don't agree with your sister, no matter how good her intentions are.


That's for total suicides. What of the subgroup that all ready blew off 2/3 of their face and face a life of suffering and pain. I totally get than the vast majority of suicides are permanent solutions to temporary problems, and I think everyone has someone close who has tried (though likely many don't realize it). Just that the prognosis of a gunshot to the head is a LOT different than the prognosis of a wrist cutter or ODer.
 
2012-10-12 03:05:56 PM

fluffy2097: Or are you going to go on a diatribe about how they should thank science?


How about a diatribe about how they should get up off their fat lazy asses and start fixing the bullying and hatred and bigotry and intolerance in their society? Or a diatribe about how they should start actually doing something positive for a change instead of waiting for God to do it for them?

In case it's not obvious, I am a regular attendee at a lutheran church. I serve on my church's council. And I'm sick to death of christians PRAYING for people but doing NOTHING to help them. So many people think the "saved by grace" doctrine absolves them of the need to perform good deeds so they stay comfy in their insular little world and "hope" and "pray" for all the poor souls who are affected by tragedy while they watch TV every Sunday night and go back to work the next day convinced that their duty to their fellow humans is done because, hey, they prayed for them.

Yeah, I know it's not very Christian of me to say it, but to Hell with those people. A heart for God should mean you feel personally compelled to actually help people and dedicate your life to ending suffering. Jesus called for helping the poor, sick, needy, and imprisoned, not persecuting teh ghey and/or sitting idly by in judgement and just shaking your head at all that's wrong with the world. Is Pontius Pilate's example of washing his hands not poignant enough? It serves as an example of how so many Christians behave. We disapprove but we merely wash our hands of it, say our prayers, and somehow think that makes us right with God and our fellow man. Yeah, right.

If God's own people aren't going to do His will on this earth (hint: that means actually lifting their fingers to **do** something positive and work towards solutions to the problems that lead a teenager to put a bullet in his head, not just ask God to do it) then who on earth will?

And yes, I paint with a broad brush that covers me as well.

How about that kind of diatribe?
 
2012-10-12 03:30:28 PM

The Wizard of Frobozz: How about that kind of diatribe?


Pure derp. I hope you are angry.
 
2012-10-12 03:31:06 PM

ciberido: Mirrorz: As a 12year old named Jeremy when that song came out, I f*cking hated Pearl Jam for the following years of ridicule.

"Hey, Did you speak in class today?"

Real original motherf*cker.

I have a friend named Cecilia who hates Simon & Garfunkel for basically the same reason.


Try being named Whitney and growing up in the 80s/90s. Yeah, people think they're soooo friggin' clever with their name jokes, which you've heard a hundred times already.
 
2012-10-12 03:31:27 PM

PsiChick: Mirrorz: PsiChick: /Let me guess, you think you're a scientist too, don't you?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I just remember you getting reamed in a TF discussion a couple years ago for going on about your psychic abilities. Apparently your genius still knows no bounds.

Most of the people who reply to pretty much anything I say with 'PSYCHIC!@!111!!!' are self-proclaimed scientists who demand to know why I'm not omnipotent. These people usually also think I talk to ghosts. This is because when they start talking about psychics, they have no farking clue what they're talking about, and are pretty much the liberal version of that self-deluded Teabagger who claims he understands string theory better than the latest science because Bible.

/It gets old after the first ten times. I'd imagine you can tell. :p


Oh, god, you again. Last time you couldn't even properly describe or explain these psychic powers of yours. Quit threadshiatting with your unwarranted self-importance. Nobody cares.
 
2012-10-12 03:32:21 PM

The Wizard of Frobozz: fluffy2097: Or are you going to go on a diatribe about how they should thank science?

How about a diatribe about how they should get up off their fat lazy asses and start fixing the bullying and hatred and bigotry and intolerance in their society? Or a diatribe about how they should start actually doing something positive for a change instead of waiting for God to do it for them?

In case it's not obvious, I am a regular attendee at a lutheran church. I serve on my church's council. And I'm sick to death of christians PRAYING for people but doing NOTHING to help them. So many people think the "saved by grace" doctrine absolves them of the need to perform good deeds so they stay comfy in their insular little world and "hope" and "pray" for all the poor souls who are affected by tragedy while they watch TV every Sunday night and go back to work the next day convinced that their duty to their fellow humans is done because, hey, they prayed for them.

Yeah, I know it's not very Christian of me to say it, but to Hell with those people. A heart for God should mean you feel personally compelled to actually help people and dedicate your life to ending suffering. Jesus called for helping the poor, sick, needy, and imprisoned, not persecuting teh ghey and/or sitting idly by in judgement and just shaking your head at all that's wrong with the world. Is Pontius Pilate's example of washing his hands not poignant enough? It serves as an example of how so many Christians behave. We disapprove but we merely wash our hands of it, say our prayers, and somehow think that makes us right with God and our fellow man. Yeah, right.

If God's own people aren't going to do His will on this earth (hint: that means actually lifting their fingers to **do** something positive and work towards solutions to the problems that lead a teenager to put a bullet in his head, not just ask God to do it) then who on earth will?

And yes, I paint with a broad brush that covers me as well.

How about that kind of diatribe?


Wait, are you sure you're Christian? That was way too reasoned and logical for most Christians to have written.
 
2012-10-12 03:59:59 PM

lennavan: calbert: reminds me of that Pearl Jam song

Yeah I thought that too and googled the song to find out what the actual lyrics were. I would have sworn they were something like "Jeremy spoke and yaeraseryasdfadaaayyyyy." I didn't even know those were the actual lyrics until just now.

I learned something on Fark.com today.


Pretty funny to me since it's just about the only song I know the lyrics to.
 
2012-10-12 04:09:28 PM

Sgt.Zim: Wait, are you sure you're Christian? That was way too reasoned and logical for most Christians to have written.


Let's see

Attend church every Sunday - check
Teach Sunday school - check
Serve on council - check
Attend (and sometimes lead) Bible Studies - check
Coach church basketball team - check
Pray every day - check
Volunteer for frequent service projects for local and global community - check
Believe in Christ - well...umm...about that...*sigh* let's just say my most frequent and favorite personal prayer is "Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief." (see Mark 9:24) and one of my favorite songs is Doubting Thomas by Nicklecreek because well, I think...logically...there's no reason to believe in the divinity of Christ or most of the Bible for that matter. (Which is a difficult thing to come to grips with, btw.)

So outwardly and in person, I am certainly a Christian. And in most ways I still *feel* Christian and identify as Christian. But my internal monologue that I sometimes let slip out in semi-anonymous internet forums...not so much.
 
2012-10-12 04:24:32 PM

clarksvegas: Fabric_Man: Am I the only person who thinks the entire concept of a high school is a bad idea? Do we really want to gather that many mentally-unstable people in a single building?

Try the inside of a government building...

/warning: contains nuts
//been there, done that, they said I was too crazy to stay


Was going to say this, was beaten to it.

/except I still work here
//halp
 
2012-10-12 04:29:43 PM

Sgt.Zim: Wait, are you sure you're Christian? That was way too reasoned and logical for most Christians to have written.


You forgot the part where we have no idea why this happened.

Kids who are bullied don't usually kill themselves after apologizing to everyone.

He just wants the town to go on an anti bullying crusade because hey, that's the big thing now and the only possible reason for problems with today's youth.

It's an incredibly myopic viewpoint.

Perhaps we should figure out why this happened, and THEN start a crusade to prevent other children from going through the same suffering.

NAH! That requires actual thought. Better just parrot the big thing network news says is the cause of all problems these days.

/bullying is the new terrorism.
//Don't question it.
 
2012-10-12 04:50:38 PM
Jeremy Spokane yeeeesterdaaaaaaay
 
2012-10-12 05:01:03 PM

fluffy2097: He just wants the town to go on an anti bullying crusade


Maybe bullying was the problem with this kid or maybe he was just mental. I don't know.

But I don't reflexively just want to go on an anti-bullying bender because OMG NEWS. What I want is for people to figure out a way to help and then do that instead of just asking God to fix it.

Maybe the best thing they could do is organize a fund raiser to pay for counseling for any of the students and staff of the school. Maybe the best thing is to go to their local school and offer to volunteer in some way that helps troubled students. Maybe the best thing is to talk to kids in their local church about the issues they face every day and what might make a kid commit suicide. Maybe get training and volunteer to work on a suicide prevention hotline. I don't know. What I do know is that just saying a prayer and then hoping God takes care of it from there is selfish and useless.
 
2012-10-12 05:41:21 PM
Really hope it wasn't because of direct outside pressure from bullies/homophobes or other ilk.
The running away, hitching/hopping works (although hopping is alot more dangerous), and in the case of bullies or gay-bashing I don't think anyone would mind you doing the world a service by taking some of those bastards with you in a spree before you go.
 
2012-10-12 06:19:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for someone who shoots themselves and fails to actually die.

You even farked up being a farkup. What a fark up.
 
2012-10-12 06:45:40 PM

Radak: Hmm, let's see...

[ ✔ ] Small, insular town in North Dakota.
[ ✔ ] National coming out day.
[ ✔ ] Apology for somethingnothing.
[ ✔ ] Suicide attempt.

Yep, all adds up.


gay is gay
 
2012-10-12 07:25:50 PM

ciberido: Mirrorz: ciberido: I have a friend named Cecilia who hates Simon & Garfunkel for basically the same reason.

My mother-in-law's name is Lola. L-O-L-A Lola. La la la lola.
She's actually a woman though. Obviously...

Conversely, I have a friend named Amy who loves the Pure Prairie League song.

/The song is actually named "Amie" if that matters


My wife likes the song with her name in it. OTOH, my given first name is Wiley, which sounds a hell of a lot like Wile E. Coyote.

/hope the kid comes out OK
//depression's a biatch
///started meds again last week after 4 years without them
 
2012-10-12 07:49:29 PM
I remember something like this happening in Sheridan Arkansas, back in the late 80's or so... Some kid got up to talk to the class, confessed his love to some girl sitting in class, then pulled out a gun and killed himself... No "attempt" here...

Then, within a week or 2, there were about 8-10 more suicides... Several were unrelated (like the elderly couple that ran their car in their garage until they went to sleep due to the fumes), but it made me think, at the time, that this was how Armageddon started, people killing themselves in the town where the anti-christ was born...

And no, I wish I was joking... My cousins went to the school, and knew the kid who did it...
 
2012-10-12 08:46:45 PM
I said my baby's in love with Eddie Vedder
Head over heels for that Eddie Vedder
I cant believe it, now she's knitting him a sweater
'Cause my baby's in love with Eddie Vedder
 
2012-10-12 11:52:51 PM

Alonjar: I have zero sympathy for someone who shoots themselves and fails to actually die.

You even farked up being a farkup. What a fark up.


You're a bigger dickhead than I am
 
2012-10-13 01:34:58 AM

Alonjar: I have zero sympathy for someone who shoots themselves and fails to actually die.


Yeah, we already knew that.
 
2012-10-13 03:40:24 AM
I did a quick google for some of the suicides of which I spoke:

Link

It only talks about the ones at the school, but I remember a few more than that, but the others weren't related, so they weren't included...
 
2012-10-13 06:00:29 AM

Arcturus72: I remember something like this happening in Sheridan Arkansas, back in the late 80's or so... Some kid got up to talk to the class, confessed his love to some girl sitting in class, then pulled out a gun and killed himself... No "attempt" here...

Then, within a week or 2, there were about 8-10 more suicides... Several were unrelated (like the elderly couple that ran their car in their garage until they went to sleep due to the fumes), but it made me think, at the time, that this was how Armageddon started, people killing themselves in the town where the anti-christ was born...

And no, I wish I was joking... My cousins went to the school, and knew the kid who did it...


i8.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-13 08:55:34 AM

The Wizard of Frobozz: What I want is for people to figure out a way to help and then do that instead of just asking God to fix it.


So you want people to fix problems they don't know about. Got it.

Look. You don't know much about bullying or depression. That much is apparent. That doesn't give you an excuse to take a giant shiat on the mayor for expressing his farking condolences that this happened. You have packaged your giant turd in a thin wrapping paper of "Don't pray, do." but really it's just a way to place yourself above all those other heathens, isn't it? Deep in your heart, you know the mayor had to make a statement, but you want to make him look like a bad person, because you think it makes you look like the holier person.

"Look at me! I'm not praying! I'm doing! I'm so much holier then you!"
/Posting on the internet is not doing.
 
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