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2012-10-12 12:30:36 PM
I think the indigenous tribes have had it really really bad for them, even with the casinos.
 
2012-10-12 12:30:43 PM
But, but, but they're Native Americans! They can do no wrong!

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2012-10-12 12:31:42 PM
There's something called "self control" that they might want to look into...also something called "rehab" for those that don't have it.
 
2012-10-12 12:32:13 PM
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When they Siouxie Sioux, you know they mean business.
 
2012-10-12 12:33:46 PM

Xanlexian: But, but, but they're Native Americans! They can do no wrong!

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Hey, if they can make people fall into that, call it justice.
 
2012-10-12 12:34:41 PM
"Only 11 residents in a town that sells 4 million cans of beer each year."

seems legit.
 
2012-10-12 12:35:00 PM
It's sad, but the stores aren't on the reservation, so the ban doesn't apply to them. If the tribe wants to do something about it, they could do like the rehab center lady suggests and set up contraband and DUI checkpoints on the road to that town.
 
2012-10-12 12:36:56 PM

CygnusDarius: Xanlexian: But, but, but they're Native Americans! They can do no wrong!

[i112.photobucket.com image 500x491]

Hey, if they can make people fall into that, call it justice.


The term you are looking for is 'Usury', something not in their native tongue I guess.
 
2012-10-12 12:36:58 PM
some facts

http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html

40,000 persons, 35% of which are under the age of 16.

4,000,000 cans of beer? means a mere 100 cans of beer for each person. or two per week. oh yeah.. such a huge problem.
 
2012-10-12 12:37:04 PM

cgraves67: It's sad, but the stores aren't on the reservation, so the ban doesn't apply to them. If the tribe wants to do something about it, they could do like the rehab center lady suggests and set up contraband and DUI checkpoints on the road to that town.


This. Since it's not in their land, they can only do so much. Then again there's people that just love to take jabs at 'em.
 
2012-10-12 12:39:41 PM
If they legalized alcohol sales on reserve they could at least tax the sales and make some money for the addiction treatment.
 
2012-10-12 12:40:22 PM
Meh, red peoples problems.
 
2012-10-12 12:41:30 PM
If there's one thing more lazy than a drunk brown man.. it's a drunk red man.
 
2012-10-12 12:45:42 PM
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rka
2012-10-12 12:47:47 PM

kvinesknows: some facts

http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html

40,000 persons, 35% of which are under the age of 16.

4,000,000 cans of beer? means a mere 100 cans of beer for each person. or two per week. oh yeah.. such a huge problem.


Lie, damned lies, and statistics. It's not 40,000 people drinking 2 cans of beer a week, that may be the average, but that's not reality. It's a couple thousand of them drinking a case on a Saturday night that causes problems.
 
2012-10-12 12:48:07 PM

kvinesknows: If they legalized alcohol sales on reserve they could at least tax the sales and make some money for the addiction treatment.


Hey, we don't take kindly to that kind of sense-making around here!
 
2012-10-12 12:53:01 PM

kvinesknows: "Only 11 residents in a town that sells 4 million cans of beer each year."

seems legit.


Yeah, I heard that "fact" on NPR this morning driving to work.
I got to thinking, That's a lot of Injuns they got if you divvy it up to where you are drinking it all up and still alive.
 
2012-10-12 12:54:28 PM

kvinesknows: If they legalized alcohol sales on reserve they could at least tax the sales and make some money for the addiction treatment.


Similar to the marijuana argument: Is there anyone who doesn't drink simply because it's illegal?

No, so legalize and tax it. Unemployment is sky high for native Americans, so why not create some jobs by building liquor stores?
 
2012-10-12 12:55:27 PM
Are they going to ban white people from going to their casinos? Didn't think so.

It is a bit unfair to throw them completely under the bus for usury. Montel Williams and Gary Coleman have been spokesweasels for similar scams, Alex Trebec has been peddling crappy insurance to old people for decades, and Fred Thomson, Henry Winkeler (come on Fonz), and Robert Wagner have been peddling reverse mortgages.
 
2012-10-12 12:55:58 PM

rka: It's not 40,000 people drinking 2 cans of beer a week, that may be the average, but that's not reality. It's a couple thousand of them drinking a case on a Saturday night that causes problems.


Which makes it no different than most rural redneck towns.
 
2012-10-12 01:00:02 PM

squidgod2000: why not create some jobs by building liquor stores?


Because they'd be their own best customers... and go down even harder - having shipped off their wampum to white devil breweries and distillers.
 
2012-10-12 01:00:14 PM
Hey, is this the thread were we blame addicts for their disease and look down on them while making dog whistle comments about their race?
 
2012-10-12 01:00:48 PM

rmoody: Hey, is this the thread were we blame addicts for their disease and look down on them while making dog whistle comments about their race?


Yes.
 
2012-10-12 01:05:43 PM

squidgod2000: kvinesknows: If they legalized alcohol sales on reserve they could at least tax the sales and make some money for the addiction treatment.
No, so legalize and tax it. Unemployment is sky high for native Americans, so why not create some jobs by building liquor stores?


Or better yet build a brewery on the reservation and sell the stuff. I bet a decent beer branded as being brewed on a reservation would sell well and provide jobs. And there's probably some huge tax advantages to brewing on a reservation rather than State land.
 
2012-10-12 01:06:46 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Are they going to ban white people from going to their casinos? Didn't think so.

It is a bit unfair to throw them completely under the bus for usury. Montel Williams and Gary Coleman have been spokesweasels for similar scams, Alex Trebec has been peddling crappy insurance to old people for decades, and Fred Thomson, Henry Winkeler (come on Fonz), and Robert Wagner have been peddling reverse mortgages.


Usury is usury no matter who the spokesweasel is. The reverse mortgage thing isn't usury per se, but if you think you're getting money for nothing, wait until your heirs find out that the house they thought they'd get to sell and divide up the proceeds on doesn't belong to them and instead all the equity was blown on trips to Vegas, beer, and the all-you-can-eat steak joint across town the past 15 years.*

* - yes I know some seniors do it to avoid eating cat food--they are the exception to the rule
 
2012-10-12 01:14:12 PM

rmoody: Hey, is this the thread were we blame addicts for their disease and look down on them while making dog whistle comments about their race?


It's not dog whistle when everyone can hear it and responds.
 
2012-10-12 01:17:49 PM

kvinesknows: "Only 11 residents in a town that sells 4 million cans of beer each year."

seems legit.


That's only roughly 996 beers per person, per day. Let he among us who hasn't let themselves get a little wild during our college years cast the first can...
 
2012-10-12 01:19:28 PM

rmoody: Hey, is this the thread were we blame addicts for their disease and look down on them while making dog whistle comments about their race?


Me hate when white man came and poured beer down my throat until I need it all time. Me victim. Me want you to feel shame. GTFO.

Seriously, put any people on any land that isn't worth a shiat, no jobs and no prospect of jobs because no one wants to build an office building or a factory away from major transportation routes, hand them a check every month just for being themselves and see what happens. White, black, red, brown it doesn't matter, they find some way to occupy their time and odds are it will be self destructive.

They have three options: get the fark out of there, figure out some way to make money, or stay stupidly addicted and/or resentful. In the past Native Americans have left some of the shiathole reservations they were planted on and done wonderful things. Some figured out how to make money and recently that meant casinos. The rest...need to figure it out or get help figuring it out. Clue: The bitter, resentful red man act isn't working.
 
2012-10-12 01:22:44 PM

rmoody: Hey, is this the thread were we blame addicts for their disease


Unless they were held down and forcibly injected with alcohol until they were dependent, who else should we blame for their disease? That doesn't mean we should't treat them, but as with cigarettes/cancer and overeating/diabetes, the drinking/alcoholism link is hardly a state secret.
 
2012-10-12 01:25:14 PM
FTFA: And who lives in Whiteclay? According to the latest census: 11 people. That's right. Only 11 residents in a town that sells 4 million cans of beer each year.

Nebraska lawyer Tom White is suing beer makers and those stores on behalf of the Oglala Sioux.


He's suing on behalf of the people who are buying the booze in the first place? What's next - McDonald's customers demand that they stop selling burgers?
 
2012-10-12 01:30:23 PM
You know what? Nobody cares.

You want to keep your people from crossing into Nebraska, buying beer, and then taking in back onto the reservation?

Build a fence. Set up check-points. You've got tribal police, so use them. Stop crying about the big mean beer companies who are selling a legal product to customers who can legally purchase it.
 
2012-10-12 01:30:38 PM
Whiteclay, Neb. The town borders Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which is located across the state line in South Dakota and is dry.

Pale face divide land from land water from water, air from air. How?
 
2012-10-12 01:32:59 PM
Evil white man forcing them to drink, how terrible.

/pesonal freedom and choice, how does it work on a reservation?
 
2012-10-12 01:34:08 PM

give me doughnuts: You know what? Nobody cares.

You want to keep your people from crossing into Nebraska, buying beer, and then taking in back onto the reservation?

Build a fence. Set up check-points. You've got tribal police, so use them. Stop crying about the big mean beer companies who are selling a legal product to customers who can legally purchase it.


Those are racist, just ask the southern border states.
 
2012-10-12 01:35:14 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: squidgod2000: kvinesknows: If they legalized alcohol sales on reserve they could at least tax the sales and make some money for the addiction treatment.
No, so legalize and tax it. Unemployment is sky high for native Americans, so why not create some jobs by building liquor stores?

Or better yet build a brewery on the reservation and sell the stuff. I bet a decent beer branded as being brewed on a reservation would sell well and provide jobs. And there's probably some huge tax advantages to brewing on a reservation rather than State land.


A wise injun would set up casinos, grow tobacco and sell cigarettes, brew and distill alcohol, and sell it to whitey on the rez' for ridiculously low prices. PROFIT!

Then, slowly but surely, start buying up all that farm land that whitey once "owned".

It took whitey about 400 years to remove the red man, however, with a little effort, I bet they can make their gains back in 200 fairly easy.
 
2012-10-12 01:36:47 PM

Joe Blowme: give me doughnuts: You know what? Nobody cares.

You want to keep your people from crossing into Nebraska, buying beer, and then taking in back onto the reservation?

Build a fence. Set up check-points. You've got tribal police, so use them. Stop crying about the big mean beer companies who are selling a legal product to customers who can legally purchase it.

Those are racist, just ask the southern border states.


Tribal police enforcing tribal law on members of their own nation on that nation's territory is "racist"?
 
2012-10-12 01:37:35 PM

give me doughnuts: You know what? Nobody cares.

You want to keep your people from crossing into Nebraska, buying beer, and then taking in back onto the reservation?

Build a fence. Set up check-points. You've got tribal police, so use them. Stop crying about the big mean beer companies who are selling a legal product to customers who can legally purchase it.


this right here, grow pair and grow the fark up.
 
2012-10-12 01:38:29 PM
cgraves67:

It's sad, but the stores aren't on the reservation, so the ban doesn't apply to them.

Nor are they trucking it over themselves.


If the tribe wants to do something about it, they could do like the rehab center lady suggests and set up contraband and DUI checkpoints on the road to that town.

That makes a little sense to me, if they must do something.

Personally I prefer my earlier suggestion: set up a gov't program exchanging free sterilization for a life-long means-adjusted ration of their intoxicant of choice, currently legal or not.
 
2012-10-12 01:41:02 PM
Is this a Christian nation or what.
 
2012-10-12 01:41:37 PM
Shut down the stores. Next year the tribe will go after all the stores in Rapid City since that will be the next place they will drive to to get their beer. After Rapid City Chamberlain will be shut down, then Mitchell, Pierre, Huron, Yankton, Vermillion, and every town in between. Four years down the road they will tell Sioux Falls that they will need to to stop selling beer. Then it gets personal cause I will not go without my beer.
 
2012-10-12 01:43:56 PM

give me doughnuts: Joe Blowme: give me doughnuts: You know what? Nobody cares.

You want to keep your people from crossing into Nebraska, buying beer, and then taking in back onto the reservation?

Build a fence. Set up check-points. You've got tribal police, so use them. Stop crying about the big mean beer companies who are selling a legal product to customers who can legally purchase it.

Those are racist, just ask the southern border states.

Tribal police enforcing tribal law on members of their own nation on that nation's territory is "racist"?


www.onlinecollegemoms.com
 
2012-10-12 01:46:36 PM
Such crap. If they win, the alcoholics will just have to drive further. Do we need to ban alcohol sales for a 5 state radius to help them enforce their laws? Make Nebraskans get a alcohol consumption license? Track beer sales and limit them to a "reasonable" amount like Sudafed sales?
 
2012-10-12 01:47:40 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why the U.S. maintains the fiction that the various Native American tribes should be treated like semi-autonomous nations. If they want to maintain their own culture, then cool, go right ahead, but you don't get your own laws, your own police, etc.

You are no different than any other ethnic group.
 
2012-10-12 01:48:18 PM
For farks sake, you know the store they are buying it from. Just have a tribal cop in plain clothes sit there in a car and radio in plate numbers as people leave. Then the tribal cops can pop them at the res border. For that matter if 4 million cases a year are coming in, they're likely not bringing them in 6 at a time in the trunk of some compact car. Checkpoint all the SUVs, vans, trucks, etc.
 
2012-10-12 01:51:08 PM
. . . or you could put down the fire water, Cochise.

/addicts always trying to ruin the party for the rest of us
 
2012-10-12 01:55:34 PM
rmoody

Hey, is this the thread were we blame addicts for their disease

How DARE someone be held responsible for the choices they make.
 
2012-10-12 01:58:23 PM
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2012-10-12 02:35:09 PM
So prohibition doesn't magically work on an Indian reservation, either? Shocking.
 
2012-10-12 02:36:18 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: So prohibition doesn't magically work on an Indian reservation, either? Shocking.


There was a foolproof plan but it was taken back.
 
2012-10-12 02:42:48 PM

give me doughnuts: I'm still trying to figure out why the U.S. maintains the fiction that the various Native American tribes should be treated like semi-autonomous nations. If they want to maintain their own culture, then cool, go right ahead, but you don't get your own laws, your own police, etc.

You are no different than any other ethnic group.


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