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2012-10-12 11:30:33 AM

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


I love all the shrinking violets on the right today.
Sometimes it's necessary to take charge, I'm glad Joe did. The RWers are crying about Joe's demeanor, but are silent about the insulting lies coming out of the Mitt campaign.

what do you think about Mitt/Ryan's lies?

any thoughts on the fact that Mitt claimed his healthcare plan covers preexisting conditions when in fact it only reverts back to the old rule that left thousands of Americans sick and without health ins.?

How about the fact that they tout a plan to reduce taxes 20% and drop unemployment down to 4% but offer no details on how that would be done?
eliminate deductions you say? go on....oh that's it? that's a plan to make a plan, not a plan.

I'm far more insulted that Mitt/Ryan think I'll buy their BS than I am by Joe calling them on it.
 
2012-10-12 11:32:53 AM

WalkingCarpet: Meanwhile over at Fox News...

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I can't believe they aren't pushing the Libya embassy conspiracy theories, maybe this afternoon.
 
2012-10-12 11:34:30 AM

Headso: WalkingCarpet: Meanwhile over at Fox News...

[i46.tinypic.com image 674x704]

I can't believe they aren't pushing the Libya embassy conspiracy theories, maybe this afternoon.


Oh, it's there:

"State Dept Buys Volts for Vienna, denies Security to Libya"
 
2012-10-12 11:34:32 AM
Perhaps the clearest indication of who won and lost the VP debate came quickly on the heels of the event itself: the Democratic post-debate message was that Joe Biden scored a clear win; the Republican message was that Joe Biden was too mean to Paul Ryan. The former is a boast of success; the latter is an excuse for failure.
 
2012-10-12 11:34:34 AM

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance.


A conservative admonishing us for "outright ignorance."

Now I've heard everything.

Lay out some of these things that we're so ignorant about.

Why don't you all explain to us how giving more tax breaks to businesses will inspire them to hire more people, because we're still way ignorant about that one.
 
2012-10-12 11:35:55 AM

someonelse: I'm struck by the intellectual consistency shown by the Dems, and the remarkable hypocrisy shown by the Republicans. After the Romney-Obama debate, the Dems weren't clutching their pearls breathlessly about how terribly rude and boorish Romney was. They just thought he lied. They were angry that Obama didn't fight back, and annoyed that the moderator didn't take charge more. And the Republicans were praising Romney for being dominant and taking charge. Fast-foward to the VP debate, and the Republicans are whining about the exact same stuff they were complaining about a week before. Incredibly hypocritical, and pretty revealing.


Ryan talks about projecting strength throughout the world (whatever the fark that means), but apparently, he couldn't do it against Joe Biden on a stage with cameras and microphones.
 
2012-10-12 11:36:46 AM

unexplained bacon: If someone wanted me to invest in their company and they claimed I'd get a return of 200% in a year, I'd think great! show me the plan. If they then told me they'd be working out the details after I gave them my money I'd think they were crooks...wouldn't you?


Yeah, but...don't you SEE? Romney will get together with the Democrats and work in a bipartisan manner! The GOP is really good at being bipartisan when they're in complete control!
 
2012-10-12 11:37:48 AM

BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.


When one reads this original post, you do not look too trollish. It is your followup that shows you to be a troll.

Yes. Kansas is very different.
 
2012-10-12 11:38:28 AM
Biden came off as a little angry and condescending. Which was what was needed. He obliterated Ryan.
 
2012-10-12 11:38:44 AM
Stop spewing contemptible lies if you want to be treated with anything but scorn, mockery, and derision.

I'd have laughed in Ryan's face too for something the things that he said.
 
2012-10-12 11:39:00 AM

culebra: Well, Paul Ryan is a little dirtball.


This was the first time I had seen Ryan in a lengthy anything and I will say he is very well spoken and a very good VP pick who does a good job pushing his teams agenda. He was well spoken and quick of mind but comes across as a used car salesman so I don't trust him at all. He does the classic circular talk to avoid answering questions. Both Biden and the Moderator called him on it multiple times. If Romney actually had a real plan I think the guy may have performed better than Biden.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:44 AM

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


Pot, meet kettle.

The irony here is that a member of a party who's primary method of dealing with political issues is a smash mouth string of name calling, conspiracy theories, flat out lies, condescension, arrogance, bigotry, demonization, fearmongering, and ignorance has the BALLS to whine and point fingers when a member of the opposing party dares to show a little bit of backbone.

I swear, Republicans are like abusive spouses...beat on you and then cry "victim" when the abused one hits back.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:48 AM
Honestly I think it was pretty much a draw. Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans. His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff. Biden tried to be aggressive to counter Romney in the last debate, but Ryan isn't Romney and I think he over did it. One of my very conservative coworkers this morning argued Romney respected the President not the moderator, while Biden tried to run over everybody.

Televised debates are about appearance as much as substance and I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive. Romney looked strong last time only because Obama phoned it in. Biden looked rude because Ryan was there and ready. Overall though I don't think either one did anything last night to sway voters at all.

/Before you yell at me, no I'm not voting for Romney
 
2012-10-12 11:40:53 AM
Looks like BFlyer came to the thread, took a smelly crap, then flew back to "Kansas". So noted on its Farky.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:59 AM

Kazrath: If Romney actually had a real plan I think the guy may have performed better than Biden.


I agree with this. Admittedly, I didn't get to watch the debate, I read the transcript afterward, but I was still laughing my ass off. I knew Biden would be a hoot at this one if it would be anything like his debate with Palin.
 
2012-10-12 11:41:09 AM

Lando Lincoln: unexplained bacon: If someone wanted me to invest in their company and they claimed I'd get a return of 200% in a year, I'd think great! show me the plan. If they then told me they'd be working out the details after I gave them my money I'd think they were crooks...wouldn't you?

Yeah, but...don't you SEE? Romney will get together with the Democrats and work in a bipartisan manner! The GOP is really good at being bipartisan when they're in complete control!


Right, and they're going to make America more credible on foreign policy too...how? just because.

they've got no details and a bunch of lies. Damn right Biden was laughing.
 
2012-10-12 11:43:00 AM
Why wasn't Biden nice and gentle when Ryan was spouting brazen lies???
 
2012-10-12 11:43:38 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans. His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff.


Interrupting is OK per the format (unlike the first debate, where Romney didn't farking care what the format was), and the majority of the interruptions were to correct lies. I have little problem with that.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive.


He probably overdid the laughing and grinning thing, but to be fair, I couldn't keep a straight face if I were talking to Ryan either.
 
2012-10-12 11:43:48 AM

theinsultabot9000: oh man, Subby, you are awesome


Came here to say this.

/So, Biden debates like Rmoney, and wins, and the GOP is super-pissed at the big, scary man.
//I'm OK with this.
 
2012-10-12 11:43:49 AM

theorellior: BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?

I'm as libby libtard as they come and I've never supported Newt Gingrich.


oh snap!
 
2012-10-12 11:43:52 AM

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: HMS_Blinkin: mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.

This. I'm getting really sick of two things.

1. Republicans need to stop being mad just because democrats are actually fighting back.

2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.

I didn't think Obama did that poorly. I thought Romney came across as too wired.

I thought Ryan appeared calm and reasoned while Biden was pissed off and stammering.

Today, I'm told Biden crushed Ryan. That's how bad you needed this one.

Ryan was reciting text segment he memorized. You can't actually see a little switch flip and him basically pressing play on his tape recorder.

Biden had a much better handle on the facts and appeared smarter and more experienced.

The debate format was 2 minutes for each response for each person and the balance of the 10 minutes was supposed to be them mixing it up. At one point, Biden literally looked at the moderator for confirmation that what he was doing "mixing it up" was OK. If Ryan was afraid to interrupt Biden, that was a calculated choice he made. If Biden was interrupting Ryan when he was bullshiatting, that is the best time to interrupt someone.

If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.


If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.
 
2012-10-12 11:45:29 AM

sprawl15: To The Escape Zeppelin!: I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive.

He probably overdid the laughing and grinning thing, but to be fair, I couldn't keep a straight face if I were talking to Ryan either


Maybe, but it seemed to be his way of signalling to the audience, "Holy fark, did you see the size of the lie Ralph Macchio just told?!?!?"
 
2012-10-12 11:45:35 AM

Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.


Are you really incapable of reading the WHOLE sentence?
 
2012-10-12 11:47:58 AM

incendi: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

Are you really incapable of reading the WHOLE sentence?


Look who you're talking to.
 
2012-10-12 11:49:15 AM

incendi: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

Are you really incapable of reading the WHOLE sentence?


You are correct in your interpretation of my misinterpretation, sir.
 
2012-10-12 11:49:30 AM

culebra: BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.

You're seriously surprised that a left-leaning community like the one at fark differs from the political perceptions one might find in Kansas?



Left leaning? There are 52 comments about this article and 4 comments support the right.

I thought Biden won as well. I also think he was too over the top. He would still have won had he not been smiling and laughing the entire time.
 
2012-10-12 11:49:43 AM
I just finished watching the whole thing. Pretty impressive. Biden was forceful and convincing. Ryan came off as out of his depth and duplicitous. Sets and interesting stage for Tuesday. Obama could take a few lessons from ol' Joe.
 
2012-10-12 11:51:16 AM

Irregardless: He would still have won had he not been smiling and laughing the entire time.


If my opponent had said the ridiculous things that Ryan was saying, I would have been smiling and laughing too. It's good to see Biden thinks Ryan is a joke just like we do.
 
2012-10-12 11:51:19 AM

Irregardless: He would still have won had he not been smiling and laughing the entire time.


He was a job creator. Those 4 panel debate pics don't work if there's no Smilin' Joe to provide the punchline. Think of all the out of work Fark captioners if he straight faced the whole affair.
 
2012-10-12 11:51:47 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Honestly I think it was pretty much a draw.


Not even close.

Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans.

Ryan spent the whole time lying or reciting debunked talking points. He was full of shiat and Biden called him on it- like he should have.

His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff.

Maybe it's about time we started calling these people what they are- lying assholes. There's no nice way to say that, and Biden did about as good a job as anyone could without letting the avalanche of lies just roll by (as Obama did). The GOP figured out that you can lie your ass off and just keep doing it, and then claim your opponent is being mean when you call them on it. It's unbelievable to me that anyone who watches Romney or Ryan can not be infuriated at how much they insult the American people's intelligence.

Biden tried to be aggressive to counter Romney in the last debate, but Ryan isn't Romney and I think he over did it. One of my very conservative coworkers this morning argued Romney respected the President not the moderator, while Biden tried to run over everybody.

What did that conservative co-worker say about Romney being a raging dick to Lehrer and the President during the previous debate? I'll bet you dollars to little green apples he didn't think Romney was out of line.

It's a double standard and it's bullshiat. There's no reason not to be condescending and aggressive in countering actual, verifiable lies. Ryan was, just like his campaign and the entire party he represents, full of crap. The GOP doesn't like it when their targets fight back, but they should know that they made their farking bed on this one.

Televised debates are about appearance as much as substance and I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive. Romney looked strong last time only because Obama phoned it in. Biden looked rude because Ryan was there and ready. Overall though I don't think either one did anything last night to sway voters at all.

/Before you yell at me, no I'm not voting for Romney


The debates on both style and substance went solidly to Biden. Every poll of actual undecided voters has shown that. Biden was on point, had his arguments ready and used his outrage at Ryan's mendacity well. I'm tired of people acting like we have to be polite to lying jackoffs. Let's start calling them liars to their face.
 
2012-10-12 11:52:38 AM

Mercutio74: Think of all the out of work Fark captioners if he straight faced the whole affair.


The horror... the horror...
 
2012-10-12 11:55:28 AM

Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.


If you didn't read my post you should have just said so.
 
2012-10-12 11:58:37 AM

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


If you don't recognize real arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and ESPECIALLY ignorance in what passes for the Republican - Tea Party base these days, you're blind, pal. Hell, if you don't recognize real arrogance from Ryan, you're delusional.

/why am I bothering with a trollon?
 
2012-10-12 11:59:04 AM

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

If you didn't read my post you should have just said so.


I did say so. Seven posts up.
 
2012-10-12 11:59:25 AM
There's no comparison to the two debates from a content standpoint, although clearly Biden matched Romney in style points.

Biden was (mostly) correct on policy, rarely let Ryan get away with misleading information, outright lies, or standard talking points. He did what Obama should have done last debate, but Biden did it in classic attack dog fashion.

Romney was all over the place on policy in the debate, in many cases completely changing his stances on several issues. Biden was solid in his beliefs and his promises.

Ryan did nothing to assuage people that Romney's tax policies on deductions or loopholes would work - and I thought Biden nailed Ryan on that policy afterwards.

Biden nailed Ryan again and again on his own record in Congress, on foreign policy...on everything. Ryan was frankly uninteresting on every subject. It doesn't help that Ryan is such a smarmy little douche to begin with.

If people thought Joe's smiles and incredulity were rude, that's the advantage of appearing on a split screen. I think Biden connects with the working class better than anyone in these debates.

Toward the end Ryan sort of collected himself back into his talking points and did realize he was getting destroyed on both substance and style and tried to inch his way back into the debate. He got off a couple of solid shots at Obama toward the end, but it was too little too late. At the same time Biden kind of lost momentum toward the end and became more down to earth and less bombastic.

IMO it was a master class on how to win a national debate. Start out hard, challenge where you think you're right, and end seriously and compassionately. Know your policy, be aggressive, win on style AND substance.

Nearly everyone will admit Obama lost on the more important style category last week, but the substance was there.

Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.
 
2012-10-12 12:05:14 PM

mrshowrules: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.


The bullshiat anecdote from the heart story was about a car crash that left two children paralyzed and the father's response. Ryan and the Republicans know Biden lost his wife and child in a car crash and still grieves. The bullshiat anecdote was coached to Ryan to put Biden off his game. Karma is going to get you Ryan. You never know when, you never know where, then when you least expect it ... And IMO you will deserve every moment of the pay back.
 
2012-10-12 12:10:11 PM

bdub77: There's no comparison to the two debates from a content standpoint, although clearly Biden matched Romney in style points.

Biden was (mostly) correct on policy, rarely let Ryan get away with misleading information, outright lies, or standard talking points. He did what Obama should have done last debate, but Biden did it in classic attack dog fashion.

Romney was all over the place on policy in the debate, in many cases completely changing his stances on several issues. Biden was solid in his beliefs and his promises.

Ryan did nothing to assuage people that Romney's tax policies on deductions or loopholes would work - and I thought Biden nailed Ryan on that policy afterwards.

Biden nailed Ryan again and again on his own record in Congress, on foreign policy...on everything. Ryan was frankly uninteresting on every subject. It doesn't help that Ryan is such a smarmy little douche to begin with.

If people thought Joe's smiles and incredulity were rude, that's the advantage of appearing on a split screen. I think Biden connects with the working class better than anyone in these debates.

Toward the end Ryan sort of collected himself back into his talking points and did realize he was getting destroyed on both substance and style and tried to inch his way back into the debate. He got off a couple of solid shots at Obama toward the end, but it was too little too late. At the same time Biden kind of lost momentum toward the end and became more down to earth and less bombastic.

IMO it was a master class on how to win a national debate. Start out hard, challenge where you think you're right, and end seriously and compassionately. Know your policy, be aggressive, win on style AND substance.

Nearly everyone will admit Obama lost on the more important style category last week, but the substance was there.

Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.


Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.
 
2012-10-12 12:14:49 PM

Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.


Oh, he won because he mopped the floor with Ryan. Both stylistically and factually.
 
2012-10-12 12:15:02 PM

Cletus C.: bdub77: There's no comparison to the two debates from a content standpoint, although clearly Biden matched Romney in style points.

Biden was (mostly) correct on policy, rarely let Ryan get away with misleading information, outright lies, or standard talking points. He did what Obama should have done last debate, but Biden did it in classic attack dog fashion.

Romney was all over the place on policy in the debate, in many cases completely changing his stances on several issues. Biden was solid in his beliefs and his promises.

Ryan did nothing to assuage people that Romney's tax policies on deductions or loopholes would work - and I thought Biden nailed Ryan on that policy afterwards.

Biden nailed Ryan again and again on his own record in Congress, on foreign policy...on everything. Ryan was frankly uninteresting on every subject. It doesn't help that Ryan is such a smarmy little douche to begin with.

If people thought Joe's smiles and incredulity were rude, that's the advantage of appearing on a split screen. I think Biden connects with the working class better than anyone in these debates.

Toward the end Ryan sort of collected himself back into his talking points and did realize he was getting destroyed on both substance and style and tried to inch his way back into the debate. He got off a couple of solid shots at Obama toward the end, but it was too little too late. At the same time Biden kind of lost momentum toward the end and became more down to earth and less bombastic.

IMO it was a master class on how to win a national debate. Start out hard, challenge where you think you're right, and end seriously and compassionately. Know your policy, be aggressive, win on style AND substance.

Nearly everyone will admit Obama lost on the more important style category last week, but the substance was there.

Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...


How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.
 
2012-10-12 12:16:58 PM

unexplained bacon: How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?


Hell, I'd be satisfied to hear in their words how that would happen.
 
2012-10-12 12:19:36 PM

Delay: mrshowrules: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

The bullshiat anecdote from the heart story was about a car crash that left two children paralyzed and the father's response. Ryan and the Republicans know Biden lost his wife and child in a car crash and still grieves. The bullshiat anecdote was coached to Ryan to put Biden off his game. Karma is going to get you Ryan. You never know when, you never know where, then when you least expect it ... And IMO you will deserve every moment of the pay back.


That was a dick move on Ryan's part.
 
2012-10-12 12:20:08 PM

Kazrath: culebra: Well, Paul Ryan is a little dirtball.

This was the first time I had seen Ryan in a lengthy anything and I will say he is very well spoken and a very good VP pick who does a good job pushing his teams agenda. He was well spoken and quick of mind but comes across as a used car salesman so I don't trust him at all. He does the classic circular talk to avoid answering questions. Both Biden and the Moderator called him on it multiple times. If Romney actually had a real plan I think the guy may have performed better than Biden.


By himself, I think Ryan is mostly fine, he comes across as intelligent and energetic, and at least willing to entertain a reasonable discourse.

Sitting next to grizzled old Joe Biden, though, just kind of highlights the fact that he believes in social Darwinism because he's never had to put much effort into anything in his life.

The comparison just wasn't kind to him.
 
2012-10-12 12:20:59 PM

unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.


In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.
 
2012-10-12 12:21:49 PM

Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.


Of course we do. Those of us supporting Obama wanted to see a Democrat go up there on the national stage and defend the administration's policy and call out the GOP for the lies, misleading information, and BS that was in debate #1 which Obama did a horrible job of refuting. Biden did that for me. If people thought he was rude, I react the same way (with shiat-eating 'can you believe this guy?' grins) when someone tells a bunch of bullshiat to my face.

As far as substance, it was laid out pretty well. I didn't see Ryan taking charge, in several instances he refused to answer pointed questions, and in several places he really didn't have answers when challenged by Biden.

So yes it was definitely energizing from an Obama supporter perspective. I tend to weigh substance over style, Biden clearly won on substance (which is why RW media are focusing on Biden's "rudeness") but because I'm aware that low information voters are much more prone to siding the guy with the most flair, I was happy to see Biden win on style points also.

I'm sorry you disagree, but Biden flat out beat Ryan on both substance and style. And sure, that's what I wanted to see, because I don't want a Republican administration taking us back to the failed policies of the Bush administration.
 
2012-10-12 12:25:15 PM

Mercutio74: unexplained bacon: How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

Hell, I'd be satisfied to hear in their words how that would happen.


How Romney/Ryan manage to get away with touting their "plan" is beyond me.
they WILL NOT give any details, they claim they can prove it with math, but wont show anyone...wtf?

the Romney/Ryan "plan" BS and Mitt flat out lying, saying his plan covers preexisting conditions are off limits to RW farkers, they will not discuss it...because they can't

bring it up with any of them, they wont touch it. I've been asking for a RW point of view about Mitt's healthcare plan claim since the last debate and not one RW farker will discuss it. strange huh?
I'd honestly like to know what they think about that.

Do they accept the lie as part of doing business or do they honestly believe Mitt doesn't know the difference between how people with preexisting conditions are treated under Obamacare vs. under the old law that Mitt actually intends to return to.
 
2012-10-12 12:26:17 PM
And as he reaches out his hand for another stick of gold
The Kid he gasps "Goddamn it, biatch! there's nothin' left to roll!"
"Nothin left to roll?!" screams Joe, "Is this some twisted joke?
I didn't come here to fark around man I come here to smoke"
And he reaches cross the table and grabs his bony sleeves
And he crumbles his body between his hands like dried and brittle leaves
Flickin' out his teeth and bones like useless stems and seeds
And then he rolls him in a Zig Zag and lights him like a roach
And the fastest man with the fastest hands goes up in a puff of smoke.
 
2012-10-12 12:26:30 PM

Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.

In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.


you avoided my question quite clumsily. try again.
 
2012-10-12 12:29:38 PM
Loved at how some of the people I follow on Twitter, who were all praising Mitt running over Lehrer, we're all butthurt on how Biden was doing the same thing.

When I pointed that fact out to them...dead silence followed.

So fun; and the fact that Biden *actually* followed the debate format and gave facts while Ryan tried to derail the purpose of the whole thing with his song and dance makes it sweeter.
 
2012-10-12 12:30:43 PM

Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.


He won because of two things:

1) He called Ryan out for the lies he told and for his non-specificity.
2) He told the truth.
 
2012-10-12 12:31:29 PM

Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.


Just having "decent comebacks," if they're vague and untrue doesn't win you a debate. You have to win on substance, not style.
 
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