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2012-10-12 10:58:15 AM  
+11 headline
 
2012-10-12 10:58:19 AM  
Well, Paul Ryan is a little dirtball.
 
2012-10-12 11:01:21 AM  
he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.
 
2012-10-12 11:04:03 AM  

blahpers: +11 headline


Heh, didn't catch that. Glanced and read "cloud."
 
2012-10-12 11:04:56 AM  
"Where I'm from, overseas, *chuckle* which is Lake Superior."

Your jokes are bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-10-12 11:05:19 AM  
Priceless headline.
 
2012-10-12 11:07:10 AM  

mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.


Sooooooo.....they feel the same way about Romeny''s last performance, of course?

/when someone "doesn't like your tone," it means you just pwned them.
 
2012-10-12 11:07:31 AM  

mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.


This. I'm getting really sick of two things.

1. Republicans need to stop being mad just because democrats are actually fighting back.

2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.
 
2012-10-12 11:08:20 AM  
I'm not sure how anyone can call Joe Biden rude, or even impolite in that debate.

I wanted him to hold up his hands, stopping everything, and say "Martha can we please bring an extinguisher on stage? I'm afraid that my friend here is close to having his pants spontaneously combust."
 
2012-10-12 11:08:34 AM  
i12.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-12 11:08:36 AM  
It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.
 
2012-10-12 11:09:37 AM  
Biden tore Ryan into little pieces, freeze-dried them and is eating them with 2% milk for breakfast right now.

And GOP- you don't get it both ways. When Romney was smirking, interrupting the President and the moderator and generally being a classless asshole, you cheered.

You herped it, you derp it, motherfarkers. Don't cry because the Democrats figured out they can play your game better than you can.
 
2012-10-12 11:10:39 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.

This. I'm getting really sick of two things.

1. Republicans need to stop being mad just because democrats are actually fighting back.

2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.


I didn't think Obama did that poorly. I thought Romney came across as too wired.

I thought Ryan appeared calm and reasoned while Biden was pissed off and stammering.

Today, I'm told Biden crushed Ryan. That's how bad you needed this one.
 
2012-10-12 11:10:50 AM  
Ryan "did his homework"? What twaddle. I mean, malarkey.
 
2012-10-12 11:10:57 AM  

mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.


My favorite part was when Ryan said they were going to bring honesty back during his closing comments.
 
2012-10-12 11:11:00 AM  
I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?
 
2012-10-12 11:11:14 AM  

BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.


Well, do you live in one of those welfare states, you know, the red ones? Or do you live in a place where people go to school and wear shoes?
 
2012-10-12 11:11:40 AM  

spelletrader: I'm not sure how anyone can call Joe Biden rude, or even impolite in that debate.

I wanted him to hold up his hands, stopping everything, and say "Martha can we please bring an extinguisher on stage? I'm afraid that my friend here is close to having his pants spontaneously combust."


No no no... Joe wants more afghans to do the job. Afghans to do the job. Afghans to do the job.
 
2012-10-12 11:11:56 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


So, you really disliked Romney's performance then, right? Because Biden totally stole his schtick.
 
2012-10-12 11:11:57 AM  

mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.


Cyclometh: Biden tore Ryan into little pieces, freeze-dried them and is eating them with 2% milk for breakfast right now.

And GOP- you don't get it both ways. When Romney was smirking, interrupting the President and the moderator and generally being a classless asshole, you cheered.

You herped it, you derp it, motherfarkers. Don't cry because the Democrats figured out they can play your game better than you can.


Well, Biden brought some truth with him, unlike Romney, who has apparently been seriously kidding about all he said up until the first debate.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:19 AM  
Oh, great headline.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:27 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: 2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.


They aren't capable of being honest.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:58 AM  

BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.


You're seriously surprised that a left-leaning community like the one at fark differs from the political perceptions one might find in Kansas?
 
2012-10-12 11:13:38 AM  

meat0918: mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.

Cyclometh: Biden tore Ryan into little pieces, freeze-dried them and is eating them with 2% milk for breakfast right now.

And GOP- you don't get it both ways. When Romney was smirking, interrupting the President and the moderator and generally being a classless asshole, you cheered.

You herped it, you derp it, motherfarkers. Don't cry because the Democrats figured out they can play your game better than you can.

Well, Biden brought some truth with him, unlike Romney, who has apparently been seriously kidding about all he said up until the first debate.


He has to have the derpers to win. He lied, they knew it and DIDN'T CARE.
 
2012-10-12 11:14:33 AM  

culebra: BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.

You're seriously surprised that a left-leaning community like the one at fark differs from the political perceptions one might find in Kansas?


By left-leaning, I assume you mean, "Can check the googles and the snopes and the other fact-checking sites out there?"
 
2012-10-12 11:15:22 AM  

James F. Campbell: HMS_Blinkin: 2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.

They aren't capable of being honest.


This. Their entire party as it exists today is based on a core of lies and hypocrisy. Good luck having them admit anything.
 
2012-10-12 11:15:37 AM  

ghare: culebra: BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.

You're seriously surprised that a left-leaning community like the one at fark differs from the political perceptions one might find in Kansas?

By left-leaning, I assume you mean, "Can check the googles and the snopes and the other fact-checking sites out there?"


A good relationship with facts all it takes to be left of center any more, it's true.
 
2012-10-12 11:16:54 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


You sound....concerned.
 
2012-10-12 11:18:27 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


I'm as libby libtard as they come and I've never supported Newt Gingrich.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:09 AM  
Ryan was asked for specifics and provided none. Really at that point, there is no way for him to actually win. Thole whole point was to answer the questions, when you completely dodge one, that's it.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:59 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


It's because we all hate America. Clearly.

Also Socialimsms and furthermore
 
2012-10-12 11:20:05 AM  

ghare: BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?

So, you really disliked Romney's performance then, right? Because Biden totally stole his schtick.


Well, he spiced it up a bit by adding some facts to the mix. Quite an improvement.
 
2012-10-12 11:20:39 AM  
Ugh why are YOU LIBS so rude :(
 
2012-10-12 11:20:41 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


pretty much described o'reilly's and limbaugh's demos right there
 
2012-10-12 11:21:06 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Ryan was asked for specifics and provided none. Really at that point, there is no way for him to actually win. Thole whole point was to answer the questions, when you completely dodge one, that's it.


Dodge one? He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.
 
2012-10-12 11:21:56 AM  

mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.


Ryan and the GOP in general hate it when you point out you are talking a bunch of bs and lies, so yes I can see them getting quite mad. They're not used to be called out on crap.
 
2012-10-12 11:22:33 AM  

culebra: ghare: culebra: BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.

You're seriously surprised that a left-leaning community like the one at fark differs from the political perceptions one might find in Kansas?

By left-leaning, I assume you mean, "Can check the googles and the snopes and the other fact-checking sites out there?"

A good relationship with facts all it takes to be left of center any more, it's true.


It's sad. True and sad. It's absolutely impossible to use facts anymore to discuss things with Republicans. Liberals keep making this mistake: presenting people with truth and facts does not change their opinion. In fact, it just makes them mad and they believe even harder in their opinion. If you want to get votes from those people, you have to frame the facts so they appear to line up with the fear and emotions.
 
2012-10-12 11:22:37 AM  

Mercutio74: Dodge one?


Well he was called out for dodging that one, but yeah he dodged plenty more.
 
2012-10-12 11:23:38 AM  
In a CBS poll, 50 percent thought Biden had won; only 31 percent thought the same of Ryan. In the CNN poll, 48 percent thought Ryan won. Only 44 percent thought Biden came out on top.

CBS poll was of undecided voters. CNN poll was of all debate watchers.
 
2012-10-12 11:24:35 AM  

Mercutio74: He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.


Correction: he refused to give any substantive answer to any question except those regarding abortion, aside from answers that were abandoned after the full Biden press. It was almost stunning to see Ryan come to a VP debate in this kind of format and not expect Biden to disagree with him.
 
2012-10-12 11:24:50 AM  
If someone wanted me to invest in their company and they claimed I'd get a return of 200% in a year, I'd think great! show me the plan. If they then told me they'd be working out the details after I gave them my money I'd think they were crooks...wouldn't you?
 
2012-10-12 11:25:15 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


I was pissed at Romney too

**fistbump**
 
2012-10-12 11:27:15 AM  

sprawl15: Mercutio74: He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.

Correction: he refused to give any substantive answer to any question except those regarding abortion, aside from answers that were abandoned after the full Biden press. It was almost stunning to see Ryan come to a VP debate in this kind of format and not expect Biden to disagree with him.


I also find it interesting that he took the "either life begins at conception or it doesn't" tack, yet goes on to say... but if they kid's the result of a rape, farking kill it... it's only a full human being with a soul?

If you are in the "life begins at conception" camp... no abortion should be performed ever under any circumstances. Unless he means life in the sense that it's not a human being, only an alive potential human as most pro-choice people believe... in which case, why not be pro-choice?
 
2012-10-12 11:27:47 AM  

limeyfellow: mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.

Ryan and the GOP in general hate it when you point out you are talking a bunch of bs and lies, so yes I can see them getting quite mad. They're not used to be called out on crap.


That's why there's only like 5 conservatives who post on fark beyond just dropping a turd in the punch bowl and running away like that BFlyer guy just did
 
2012-10-12 11:28:19 AM  
Meanwhile over at Fox News...

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-12 11:28:26 AM  

Jackson Herring: Ugh why are YOU LIBS so rude :(


I know, right?
 
2012-10-12 11:28:40 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


I'll bet you can't stand a naked light bulb either.

I'm struck by the intellectual consistency shown by the Dems, and the remarkable hypocrisy shown by the Republicans. After the Romney-Obama debate, the Dems weren't clutching their pearls breathlessly about how terribly rude and boorish Romney was. They just thought he lied. They were angry that Obama didn't fight back, and annoyed that the moderator didn't take charge more. And the Republicans were praising Romney for being dominant and taking charge. Fast-foward to the VP debate, and the Republicans are whining about the exact same stuff they were complaining about a week before. Incredibly hypocritical, and pretty revealing.
 
2012-10-12 11:28:49 AM  
oh man, Subby, you are awesome
 
2012-10-12 11:28:50 AM  

Cletus C.: HMS_Blinkin: mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.

This. I'm getting really sick of two things.

1. Republicans need to stop being mad just because democrats are actually fighting back.

2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.

I didn't think Obama did that poorly. I thought Romney came across as too wired.

I thought Ryan appeared calm and reasoned while Biden was pissed off and stammering.

Today, I'm told Biden crushed Ryan. That's how bad you needed this one.


Ryan was reciting text segment he memorized. You can't actually see a little switch flip and him basically pressing play on his tape recorder.

Biden had a much better handle on the facts and appeared smarter and more experienced.

The debate format was 2 minutes for each response for each person and the balance of the 10 minutes was supposed to be them mixing it up. At one point, Biden literally looked at the moderator for confirmation that what he was doing "mixing it up" was OK. If Ryan was afraid to interrupt Biden, that was a calculated choice he made. If Biden was interrupting Ryan when he was bullshiatting, that is the best time to interrupt someone.

If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.
 
2012-10-12 11:30:24 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


Well, I wouldn't call my grudging respect for Romney "admiration".
 
2012-10-12 11:30:33 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


I love all the shrinking violets on the right today.
Sometimes it's necessary to take charge, I'm glad Joe did. The RWers are crying about Joe's demeanor, but are silent about the insulting lies coming out of the Mitt campaign.

what do you think about Mitt/Ryan's lies?

any thoughts on the fact that Mitt claimed his healthcare plan covers preexisting conditions when in fact it only reverts back to the old rule that left thousands of Americans sick and without health ins.?

How about the fact that they tout a plan to reduce taxes 20% and drop unemployment down to 4% but offer no details on how that would be done?
eliminate deductions you say? go on....oh that's it? that's a plan to make a plan, not a plan.

I'm far more insulted that Mitt/Ryan think I'll buy their BS than I am by Joe calling them on it.
 
2012-10-12 11:32:53 AM  

WalkingCarpet: Meanwhile over at Fox News...

[i46.tinypic.com image 674x704]


I can't believe they aren't pushing the Libya embassy conspiracy theories, maybe this afternoon.
 
2012-10-12 11:34:30 AM  

Headso: WalkingCarpet: Meanwhile over at Fox News...

[i46.tinypic.com image 674x704]

I can't believe they aren't pushing the Libya embassy conspiracy theories, maybe this afternoon.


Oh, it's there:

"State Dept Buys Volts for Vienna, denies Security to Libya"
 
2012-10-12 11:34:32 AM  
Perhaps the clearest indication of who won and lost the VP debate came quickly on the heels of the event itself: the Democratic post-debate message was that Joe Biden scored a clear win; the Republican message was that Joe Biden was too mean to Paul Ryan. The former is a boast of success; the latter is an excuse for failure.
 
2012-10-12 11:34:34 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance.


A conservative admonishing us for "outright ignorance."

Now I've heard everything.

Lay out some of these things that we're so ignorant about.

Why don't you all explain to us how giving more tax breaks to businesses will inspire them to hire more people, because we're still way ignorant about that one.
 
2012-10-12 11:35:55 AM  

someonelse: I'm struck by the intellectual consistency shown by the Dems, and the remarkable hypocrisy shown by the Republicans. After the Romney-Obama debate, the Dems weren't clutching their pearls breathlessly about how terribly rude and boorish Romney was. They just thought he lied. They were angry that Obama didn't fight back, and annoyed that the moderator didn't take charge more. And the Republicans were praising Romney for being dominant and taking charge. Fast-foward to the VP debate, and the Republicans are whining about the exact same stuff they were complaining about a week before. Incredibly hypocritical, and pretty revealing.


Ryan talks about projecting strength throughout the world (whatever the fark that means), but apparently, he couldn't do it against Joe Biden on a stage with cameras and microphones.
 
2012-10-12 11:36:46 AM  

unexplained bacon: If someone wanted me to invest in their company and they claimed I'd get a return of 200% in a year, I'd think great! show me the plan. If they then told me they'd be working out the details after I gave them my money I'd think they were crooks...wouldn't you?


Yeah, but...don't you SEE? Romney will get together with the Democrats and work in a bipartisan manner! The GOP is really good at being bipartisan when they're in complete control!
 
2012-10-12 11:37:48 AM  

BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.


When one reads this original post, you do not look too trollish. It is your followup that shows you to be a troll.

Yes. Kansas is very different.
 
2012-10-12 11:38:28 AM  
Biden came off as a little angry and condescending. Which was what was needed. He obliterated Ryan.
 
2012-10-12 11:38:44 AM  
Stop spewing contemptible lies if you want to be treated with anything but scorn, mockery, and derision.

I'd have laughed in Ryan's face too for something the things that he said.
 
2012-10-12 11:39:00 AM  

culebra: Well, Paul Ryan is a little dirtball.


This was the first time I had seen Ryan in a lengthy anything and I will say he is very well spoken and a very good VP pick who does a good job pushing his teams agenda. He was well spoken and quick of mind but comes across as a used car salesman so I don't trust him at all. He does the classic circular talk to avoid answering questions. Both Biden and the Moderator called him on it multiple times. If Romney actually had a real plan I think the guy may have performed better than Biden.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:44 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


Pot, meet kettle.

The irony here is that a member of a party who's primary method of dealing with political issues is a smash mouth string of name calling, conspiracy theories, flat out lies, condescension, arrogance, bigotry, demonization, fearmongering, and ignorance has the BALLS to whine and point fingers when a member of the opposing party dares to show a little bit of backbone.

I swear, Republicans are like abusive spouses...beat on you and then cry "victim" when the abused one hits back.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:48 AM  
Honestly I think it was pretty much a draw. Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans. His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff. Biden tried to be aggressive to counter Romney in the last debate, but Ryan isn't Romney and I think he over did it. One of my very conservative coworkers this morning argued Romney respected the President not the moderator, while Biden tried to run over everybody.

Televised debates are about appearance as much as substance and I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive. Romney looked strong last time only because Obama phoned it in. Biden looked rude because Ryan was there and ready. Overall though I don't think either one did anything last night to sway voters at all.

/Before you yell at me, no I'm not voting for Romney
 
2012-10-12 11:40:53 AM  
Looks like BFlyer came to the thread, took a smelly crap, then flew back to "Kansas". So noted on its Farky.
 
2012-10-12 11:40:59 AM  

Kazrath: If Romney actually had a real plan I think the guy may have performed better than Biden.


I agree with this. Admittedly, I didn't get to watch the debate, I read the transcript afterward, but I was still laughing my ass off. I knew Biden would be a hoot at this one if it would be anything like his debate with Palin.
 
2012-10-12 11:41:09 AM  

Lando Lincoln: unexplained bacon: If someone wanted me to invest in their company and they claimed I'd get a return of 200% in a year, I'd think great! show me the plan. If they then told me they'd be working out the details after I gave them my money I'd think they were crooks...wouldn't you?

Yeah, but...don't you SEE? Romney will get together with the Democrats and work in a bipartisan manner! The GOP is really good at being bipartisan when they're in complete control!


Right, and they're going to make America more credible on foreign policy too...how? just because.

they've got no details and a bunch of lies. Damn right Biden was laughing.
 
2012-10-12 11:43:00 AM  
Why wasn't Biden nice and gentle when Ryan was spouting brazen lies???
 
2012-10-12 11:43:38 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans. His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff.


Interrupting is OK per the format (unlike the first debate, where Romney didn't farking care what the format was), and the majority of the interruptions were to correct lies. I have little problem with that.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive.


He probably overdid the laughing and grinning thing, but to be fair, I couldn't keep a straight face if I were talking to Ryan either.
 
2012-10-12 11:43:48 AM  

theinsultabot9000: oh man, Subby, you are awesome


Came here to say this.

/So, Biden debates like Rmoney, and wins, and the GOP is super-pissed at the big, scary man.
//I'm OK with this.
 
2012-10-12 11:43:49 AM  

theorellior: BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?

I'm as libby libtard as they come and I've never supported Newt Gingrich.


oh snap!
 
2012-10-12 11:43:52 AM  

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: HMS_Blinkin: mainstreet62: he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest.

Oh, please. Take a flying leap, R-tards.

This. I'm getting really sick of two things.

1. Republicans need to stop being mad just because democrats are actually fighting back.

2. Republicans need to learn to admit when they're wrong or they lose. Plenty of liberals admitted that Obama lost last week, but not a single conservative can admit that Ryan lost last night.

I didn't think Obama did that poorly. I thought Romney came across as too wired.

I thought Ryan appeared calm and reasoned while Biden was pissed off and stammering.

Today, I'm told Biden crushed Ryan. That's how bad you needed this one.

Ryan was reciting text segment he memorized. You can't actually see a little switch flip and him basically pressing play on his tape recorder.

Biden had a much better handle on the facts and appeared smarter and more experienced.

The debate format was 2 minutes for each response for each person and the balance of the 10 minutes was supposed to be them mixing it up. At one point, Biden literally looked at the moderator for confirmation that what he was doing "mixing it up" was OK. If Ryan was afraid to interrupt Biden, that was a calculated choice he made. If Biden was interrupting Ryan when he was bullshiatting, that is the best time to interrupt someone.

If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.


If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.
 
2012-10-12 11:45:29 AM  

sprawl15: To The Escape Zeppelin!: I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive.

He probably overdid the laughing and grinning thing, but to be fair, I couldn't keep a straight face if I were talking to Ryan either


Maybe, but it seemed to be his way of signalling to the audience, "Holy fark, did you see the size of the lie Ralph Macchio just told?!?!?"
 
2012-10-12 11:45:35 AM  

Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.


Are you really incapable of reading the WHOLE sentence?
 
2012-10-12 11:47:58 AM  

incendi: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

Are you really incapable of reading the WHOLE sentence?


Look who you're talking to.
 
2012-10-12 11:49:15 AM  

incendi: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

Are you really incapable of reading the WHOLE sentence?


You are correct in your interpretation of my misinterpretation, sir.
 
2012-10-12 11:49:30 AM  

culebra: BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.

You're seriously surprised that a left-leaning community like the one at fark differs from the political perceptions one might find in Kansas?



Left leaning? There are 52 comments about this article and 4 comments support the right.

I thought Biden won as well. I also think he was too over the top. He would still have won had he not been smiling and laughing the entire time.
 
2012-10-12 11:49:43 AM  
I just finished watching the whole thing. Pretty impressive. Biden was forceful and convincing. Ryan came off as out of his depth and duplicitous. Sets and interesting stage for Tuesday. Obama could take a few lessons from ol' Joe.
 
2012-10-12 11:51:16 AM  

Irregardless: He would still have won had he not been smiling and laughing the entire time.


If my opponent had said the ridiculous things that Ryan was saying, I would have been smiling and laughing too. It's good to see Biden thinks Ryan is a joke just like we do.
 
2012-10-12 11:51:19 AM  

Irregardless: He would still have won had he not been smiling and laughing the entire time.


He was a job creator. Those 4 panel debate pics don't work if there's no Smilin' Joe to provide the punchline. Think of all the out of work Fark captioners if he straight faced the whole affair.
 
2012-10-12 11:51:47 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Honestly I think it was pretty much a draw.


Not even close.

Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans.

Ryan spent the whole time lying or reciting debunked talking points. He was full of shiat and Biden called him on it- like he should have.

His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff.

Maybe it's about time we started calling these people what they are- lying assholes. There's no nice way to say that, and Biden did about as good a job as anyone could without letting the avalanche of lies just roll by (as Obama did). The GOP figured out that you can lie your ass off and just keep doing it, and then claim your opponent is being mean when you call them on it. It's unbelievable to me that anyone who watches Romney or Ryan can not be infuriated at how much they insult the American people's intelligence.

Biden tried to be aggressive to counter Romney in the last debate, but Ryan isn't Romney and I think he over did it. One of my very conservative coworkers this morning argued Romney respected the President not the moderator, while Biden tried to run over everybody.

What did that conservative co-worker say about Romney being a raging dick to Lehrer and the President during the previous debate? I'll bet you dollars to little green apples he didn't think Romney was out of line.

It's a double standard and it's bullshiat. There's no reason not to be condescending and aggressive in countering actual, verifiable lies. Ryan was, just like his campaign and the entire party he represents, full of crap. The GOP doesn't like it when their targets fight back, but they should know that they made their farking bed on this one.

Televised debates are about appearance as much as substance and I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive. Romney looked strong last time only because Obama phoned it in. Biden looked rude because Ryan was there and ready. Overall though I don't think either one did anything last night to sway voters at all.

/Before you yell at me, no I'm not voting for Romney


The debates on both style and substance went solidly to Biden. Every poll of actual undecided voters has shown that. Biden was on point, had his arguments ready and used his outrage at Ryan's mendacity well. I'm tired of people acting like we have to be polite to lying jackoffs. Let's start calling them liars to their face.
 
2012-10-12 11:52:38 AM  

Mercutio74: Think of all the out of work Fark captioners if he straight faced the whole affair.


The horror... the horror...
 
2012-10-12 11:55:28 AM  

Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.


If you didn't read my post you should have just said so.
 
2012-10-12 11:58:37 AM  

BFlyer: I also wonder why libs have so much admiration for arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and, often, outright ignorance. Do you really think that by treating people condescendingly that you'll make them agree with you?


If you don't recognize real arrogance, boorishness, rudeness, and ESPECIALLY ignorance in what passes for the Republican - Tea Party base these days, you're blind, pal. Hell, if you don't recognize real arrogance from Ryan, you're delusional.

/why am I bothering with a trollon?
 
2012-10-12 11:59:04 AM  

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

If you didn't read my post you should have just said so.


I did say so. Seven posts up.
 
2012-10-12 11:59:25 AM  
There's no comparison to the two debates from a content standpoint, although clearly Biden matched Romney in style points.

Biden was (mostly) correct on policy, rarely let Ryan get away with misleading information, outright lies, or standard talking points. He did what Obama should have done last debate, but Biden did it in classic attack dog fashion.

Romney was all over the place on policy in the debate, in many cases completely changing his stances on several issues. Biden was solid in his beliefs and his promises.

Ryan did nothing to assuage people that Romney's tax policies on deductions or loopholes would work - and I thought Biden nailed Ryan on that policy afterwards.

Biden nailed Ryan again and again on his own record in Congress, on foreign policy...on everything. Ryan was frankly uninteresting on every subject. It doesn't help that Ryan is such a smarmy little douche to begin with.

If people thought Joe's smiles and incredulity were rude, that's the advantage of appearing on a split screen. I think Biden connects with the working class better than anyone in these debates.

Toward the end Ryan sort of collected himself back into his talking points and did realize he was getting destroyed on both substance and style and tried to inch his way back into the debate. He got off a couple of solid shots at Obama toward the end, but it was too little too late. At the same time Biden kind of lost momentum toward the end and became more down to earth and less bombastic.

IMO it was a master class on how to win a national debate. Start out hard, challenge where you think you're right, and end seriously and compassionately. Know your policy, be aggressive, win on style AND substance.

Nearly everyone will admit Obama lost on the more important style category last week, but the substance was there.

Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.
 
2012-10-12 12:05:14 PM  

mrshowrules: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.


The bullshiat anecdote from the heart story was about a car crash that left two children paralyzed and the father's response. Ryan and the Republicans know Biden lost his wife and child in a car crash and still grieves. The bullshiat anecdote was coached to Ryan to put Biden off his game. Karma is going to get you Ryan. You never know when, you never know where, then when you least expect it ... And IMO you will deserve every moment of the pay back.
 
2012-10-12 12:10:11 PM  

bdub77: There's no comparison to the two debates from a content standpoint, although clearly Biden matched Romney in style points.

Biden was (mostly) correct on policy, rarely let Ryan get away with misleading information, outright lies, or standard talking points. He did what Obama should have done last debate, but Biden did it in classic attack dog fashion.

Romney was all over the place on policy in the debate, in many cases completely changing his stances on several issues. Biden was solid in his beliefs and his promises.

Ryan did nothing to assuage people that Romney's tax policies on deductions or loopholes would work - and I thought Biden nailed Ryan on that policy afterwards.

Biden nailed Ryan again and again on his own record in Congress, on foreign policy...on everything. Ryan was frankly uninteresting on every subject. It doesn't help that Ryan is such a smarmy little douche to begin with.

If people thought Joe's smiles and incredulity were rude, that's the advantage of appearing on a split screen. I think Biden connects with the working class better than anyone in these debates.

Toward the end Ryan sort of collected himself back into his talking points and did realize he was getting destroyed on both substance and style and tried to inch his way back into the debate. He got off a couple of solid shots at Obama toward the end, but it was too little too late. At the same time Biden kind of lost momentum toward the end and became more down to earth and less bombastic.

IMO it was a master class on how to win a national debate. Start out hard, challenge where you think you're right, and end seriously and compassionately. Know your policy, be aggressive, win on style AND substance.

Nearly everyone will admit Obama lost on the more important style category last week, but the substance was there.

Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.


Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.
 
2012-10-12 12:14:49 PM  

Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.


Oh, he won because he mopped the floor with Ryan. Both stylistically and factually.
 
2012-10-12 12:15:02 PM  

Cletus C.: bdub77: There's no comparison to the two debates from a content standpoint, although clearly Biden matched Romney in style points.

Biden was (mostly) correct on policy, rarely let Ryan get away with misleading information, outright lies, or standard talking points. He did what Obama should have done last debate, but Biden did it in classic attack dog fashion.

Romney was all over the place on policy in the debate, in many cases completely changing his stances on several issues. Biden was solid in his beliefs and his promises.

Ryan did nothing to assuage people that Romney's tax policies on deductions or loopholes would work - and I thought Biden nailed Ryan on that policy afterwards.

Biden nailed Ryan again and again on his own record in Congress, on foreign policy...on everything. Ryan was frankly uninteresting on every subject. It doesn't help that Ryan is such a smarmy little douche to begin with.

If people thought Joe's smiles and incredulity were rude, that's the advantage of appearing on a split screen. I think Biden connects with the working class better than anyone in these debates.

Toward the end Ryan sort of collected himself back into his talking points and did realize he was getting destroyed on both substance and style and tried to inch his way back into the debate. He got off a couple of solid shots at Obama toward the end, but it was too little too late. At the same time Biden kind of lost momentum toward the end and became more down to earth and less bombastic.

IMO it was a master class on how to win a national debate. Start out hard, challenge where you think you're right, and end seriously and compassionately. Know your policy, be aggressive, win on style AND substance.

Nearly everyone will admit Obama lost on the more important style category last week, but the substance was there.

Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...


How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.
 
2012-10-12 12:16:58 PM  

unexplained bacon: How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?


Hell, I'd be satisfied to hear in their words how that would happen.
 
2012-10-12 12:19:36 PM  

Delay: mrshowrules: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

The bullshiat anecdote from the heart story was about a car crash that left two children paralyzed and the father's response. Ryan and the Republicans know Biden lost his wife and child in a car crash and still grieves. The bullshiat anecdote was coached to Ryan to put Biden off his game. Karma is going to get you Ryan. You never know when, you never know where, then when you least expect it ... And IMO you will deserve every moment of the pay back.


That was a dick move on Ryan's part.
 
2012-10-12 12:20:08 PM  

Kazrath: culebra: Well, Paul Ryan is a little dirtball.

This was the first time I had seen Ryan in a lengthy anything and I will say he is very well spoken and a very good VP pick who does a good job pushing his teams agenda. He was well spoken and quick of mind but comes across as a used car salesman so I don't trust him at all. He does the classic circular talk to avoid answering questions. Both Biden and the Moderator called him on it multiple times. If Romney actually had a real plan I think the guy may have performed better than Biden.


By himself, I think Ryan is mostly fine, he comes across as intelligent and energetic, and at least willing to entertain a reasonable discourse.

Sitting next to grizzled old Joe Biden, though, just kind of highlights the fact that he believes in social Darwinism because he's never had to put much effort into anything in his life.

The comparison just wasn't kind to him.
 
2012-10-12 12:20:59 PM  

unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.


In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.
 
2012-10-12 12:21:49 PM  

Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.


Of course we do. Those of us supporting Obama wanted to see a Democrat go up there on the national stage and defend the administration's policy and call out the GOP for the lies, misleading information, and BS that was in debate #1 which Obama did a horrible job of refuting. Biden did that for me. If people thought he was rude, I react the same way (with shiat-eating 'can you believe this guy?' grins) when someone tells a bunch of bullshiat to my face.

As far as substance, it was laid out pretty well. I didn't see Ryan taking charge, in several instances he refused to answer pointed questions, and in several places he really didn't have answers when challenged by Biden.

So yes it was definitely energizing from an Obama supporter perspective. I tend to weigh substance over style, Biden clearly won on substance (which is why RW media are focusing on Biden's "rudeness") but because I'm aware that low information voters are much more prone to siding the guy with the most flair, I was happy to see Biden win on style points also.

I'm sorry you disagree, but Biden flat out beat Ryan on both substance and style. And sure, that's what I wanted to see, because I don't want a Republican administration taking us back to the failed policies of the Bush administration.
 
2012-10-12 12:25:15 PM  

Mercutio74: unexplained bacon: How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

Hell, I'd be satisfied to hear in their words how that would happen.


How Romney/Ryan manage to get away with touting their "plan" is beyond me.
they WILL NOT give any details, they claim they can prove it with math, but wont show anyone...wtf?

the Romney/Ryan "plan" BS and Mitt flat out lying, saying his plan covers preexisting conditions are off limits to RW farkers, they will not discuss it...because they can't

bring it up with any of them, they wont touch it. I've been asking for a RW point of view about Mitt's healthcare plan claim since the last debate and not one RW farker will discuss it. strange huh?
I'd honestly like to know what they think about that.

Do they accept the lie as part of doing business or do they honestly believe Mitt doesn't know the difference between how people with preexisting conditions are treated under Obamacare vs. under the old law that Mitt actually intends to return to.
 
2012-10-12 12:26:17 PM  
And as he reaches out his hand for another stick of gold
The Kid he gasps "Goddamn it, biatch! there's nothin' left to roll!"
"Nothin left to roll?!" screams Joe, "Is this some twisted joke?
I didn't come here to fark around man I come here to smoke"
And he reaches cross the table and grabs his bony sleeves
And he crumbles his body between his hands like dried and brittle leaves
Flickin' out his teeth and bones like useless stems and seeds
And then he rolls him in a Zig Zag and lights him like a roach
And the fastest man with the fastest hands goes up in a puff of smoke.
 
2012-10-12 12:26:30 PM  

Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.

In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.


you avoided my question quite clumsily. try again.
 
2012-10-12 12:29:38 PM  
Loved at how some of the people I follow on Twitter, who were all praising Mitt running over Lehrer, we're all butthurt on how Biden was doing the same thing.

When I pointed that fact out to them...dead silence followed.

So fun; and the fact that Biden *actually* followed the debate format and gave facts while Ryan tried to derail the purpose of the whole thing with his song and dance makes it sweeter.
 
2012-10-12 12:30:43 PM  

Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.


He won because of two things:

1) He called Ryan out for the lies he told and for his non-specificity.
2) He told the truth.
 
2012-10-12 12:31:29 PM  

Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.


Just having "decent comebacks," if they're vague and untrue doesn't win you a debate. You have to win on substance, not style.
 
2012-10-12 12:32:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You have to win on substance, not style.


The first debate is on the phone. It's for you.

/Low information voters are the ones who are still undecided
 
2012-10-12 12:37:10 PM  

Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.

In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.


When someone doesn't have a record to run on, they try and paint a picture of the other guy that others should run from.

Ryan got burned and you know it, that is why you fail to include facts.
 
2012-10-12 12:38:38 PM  

Cletus C.: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

If you didn't see the debate you should have just said so.

If you didn't read my post you should have just said so.

I did say so. Seven posts up.


OK. Anyways, my point was Biden was respectful IMHO. He also didn't smirk during Ryan's closing remarks. The times Biden jumped in / interrupted, it actually started sounding like a debate. Albeit one sided.

Most debates I've seen normally at list one person complaining "let me finish" or complaining about an interruption at least at one point. Ryan looked unprepared for this which was a failure on his part. Also, he knows he comes of as smarmy prick so he made the conscious decision to look "nice" during the debate. Also back-fired and when he complained that Biden was upset because the DNC lead was slipping (I paraphase) he really came off like a whiney biatch IMHO.
 
2012-10-12 12:38:45 PM  

Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.


Moderator: "What would you do in Syria?"

Ryan: "Well, what we SHOULD HAVE DONE was..."

Moderator: "Yeah, but...what would YOU do NOW?"

Ryan: "Well, we wouldn't do this, and..."

Moderator: "But...WHAT THE FARK WOULD YOU ACTUALLY DO?"

Ryan: "Uh...pass?"

Oh, and another favorite of mine last night:

Ryan: "Obama has said that if you can't run on your record, then you need to get the voters to run away from your opponent. And he's doing that. Now let's get back to why Obama is awful..."
 
2012-10-12 12:39:46 PM  

Bossk'sSegway: When someone doesn't have a record to run on, they try and paint a picture of the other guy that others should run from.


The comeback to that one is, "I'd be happy to debate you and the governor on policy, but for some reason, you guys refuse to explain your policies."
 
2012-10-12 12:42:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

Moderator: "What would you do in Syria?"

Ryan: "Well, what we SHOULD HAVE DONE was..."

Moderator: "Yeah, but...what would YOU do NOW?"

Ryan: "Well, we wouldn't do this, and..."

Moderator: "But...WHAT THE FARK WOULD YOU ACTUALLY DO?"

Ryan: "Uh...pass?"

Oh, and another favorite of mine last night:

Ryan: "Obama has said that if you can't run on your record, then you need to get the voters to run away from your opponent. And he's doing that. Now let's get back to why Obama is awful..."


I enjoyed Ryan essentially saying that fertilized eggs are human beings... however, if that human being was created by rape... fark it... kill that guy!

I think Biden's full of shiat about his acceptance of the Catholic church's view on abortion, but at least he's not going to try and force everyone else to accept it in practice.
 
2012-10-12 12:42:27 PM  

Delay: mrshowrules: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

The bullshiat anecdote from the heart story was about a car crash that left two children paralyzed and the father's response. Ryan and the Republicans know Biden lost his wife and child in a car crash and still grieves. The bullshiat anecdote was coached to Ryan to put Biden off his game. Karma is going to get you Ryan. You never know when, you never know where, then when you least expect it ... And IMO you will deserve every moment of the pay back.


Maybe I'm a little naive to think that they could be so evil. Biden frequently talks about this tragedy as part of his own personal story. To go their first, would certainly be evil.

However, even if the story is true (am I being naive again) and they decided to go with it anyways it is at minimum a very assholish play.
 
2012-10-12 12:44:37 PM  

Mercutio74: Dodge one? He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.


How could he when Biden interrupted him nearly EVERY time he spoke?
 
2012-10-12 12:45:14 PM  

BFlyer: It's amazing to read Farker political comments. Where do you all live? It's amazing how different it is from where I live, and it's most likely the same country.


You may have never left the state before, but I must inform you that most Americans do not live in Kansas. It's a big world out there.
 
2012-10-12 12:45:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden didn't impale himself on the microphone, so he won. Geesh.

He won because of two things:

1) He called Ryan out for the lies he told and for his non-specificity.
2) He told the truth.


I'll simplify this further, Biden won because he showed the Country that he would be a better President.
 
2012-10-12 12:46:32 PM  

HAMMERTOE: How could he when Biden interrupted him nearly EVERY time he spoke?


You realize Biden never interrupted Ryan during the 2 minutes each had after a new question was asked?
 
2012-10-12 12:48:24 PM  

SundaesChild: Delay: mrshowrules: If you notice, when Ryan was talking some bullshiat anecdote (from the heart) story, Biden didn't smirk, laugh or interrupt. He was respectful.

The bullshiat anecdote from the heart story was about a car crash that left two children paralyzed and the father's response. Ryan and the Republicans know Biden lost his wife and child in a car crash and still grieves. The bullshiat anecdote was coached to Ryan to put Biden off his game. Karma is going to get you Ryan. You never know when, you never know where, then when you least expect it ... And IMO you will deserve every moment of the pay back.

That was a dick move on Ryan's part.


It was so obviously a calculated move that I had to wonder at the time what Ryan was doing. Why bring up a car crash, of all things, when you know your opponent's own history trumps it in terms of audience sympathy, essentially. I eventually figured that Ryan brought it up when he did because he knew Biden would bring it up eventually, and he wanted to do it on his own terms so that Biden couldn't use it to make a larger point when he wanted to. Politics is an ugly game.

As for Ryan's story about Romney helping that family, I'm not sure it worked the way he wanted it to. I've seen this story, and another one where Romney supposedly moved heaven and earth to help someone find his missing daughter. True, it does put a spotlight on Romney's decency in those instances. But what I took from those examples (and probably what some other people will, too) is: If you happen to be lucky enough to enter Romney's inner circle, he can be very generous. That's great if you're in that inner circle, but means nothing for the rest of the country.
 
2012-10-12 12:50:09 PM  

unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.

In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.

you avoided my question quite clumsily. try again.


I've tried this before unsuccessfully but here you go:

Send your question to the Romney/Ryan campaign. I can't speak for them. I'd like to hear a better explanation of his tax plan myself. The idea that the details need to be negotiated in a bipartisan way sounds appealing but Romney needs to go into those talks with solid, real proposals that can serve as a starting point.
 
2012-10-12 12:50:49 PM  

Mercutio74: Lando Lincoln: Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

Moderator: "What would you do in Syria?"

Ryan: "Well, what we SHOULD HAVE DONE was..."

Moderator: "Yeah, but...what would YOU do NOW?"

Ryan: "Well, we wouldn't do this, and..."

Moderator: "But...WHAT THE FARK WOULD YOU ACTUALLY DO?"

Ryan: "Uh...pass?"

Oh, and another favorite of mine last night:

Ryan: "Obama has said that if you can't run on your record, then you need to get the voters to run away from your opponent. And he's doing that. Now let's get back to why Obama is awful..."

I enjoyed Ryan essentially saying that fertilized eggs are human beings... however, if that human being was created by rape... fark it... kill that guy!

I think Biden's full of shiat about his acceptance of the Catholic church's view on abortion, but at least he's not going to try and force everyone else to accept it in practice.


Biden's answer was good, but I wish he had included us godless heathens in his comment about not forcing his religious beliefs on others.
 
2012-10-12 12:51:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

Just having "decent comebacks," if they're vague and untrue doesn't win you a debate. You have to win on substance, not style.


Despite history showing otherwise in many cases, I guess.
 
2012-10-12 12:51:11 PM  

Cletus C.: Send your question to the Romney/Ryan campaign. I can't speak for them. I'd like to hear a better explanation of his tax plan myself. The idea that the details need to be negotiated in a bipartisan way sounds appealing but Romney needs to go into those talks with solid, real proposals that can serve as a starting point.


I'll give you a hint: the reason he doesn't have a plan yet is because the numbers don't add up.
 
2012-10-12 12:51:34 PM  

Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.

In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.


Hey look everyone - we discovered Steve Doocy's FARK handle!
 
2012-10-12 12:51:50 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Mercutio74: Dodge one? He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.

How could he when Biden interrupted him nearly EVERY time he spoke?


The moderator asked him specifically to elaborate on at least two occasions. Once regarding the tax plan and once regarding Syria. Also, the moderator interrupted Biden for talking when he shouldn't on at least two occasions.

Also, I seem to recall both men having the opportunity to speak for long stretches without either one interrupting the other. Did you watch the debate?
 
2012-10-12 12:52:22 PM  

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

Just having "decent comebacks," if they're vague and untrue doesn't win you a debate. You have to win on substance, not style.

Despite history showing otherwise in many cases, I guess.


This one in particular, yes.
 
2012-10-12 12:54:15 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Mercutio74: Dodge one? He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.

How could he when Biden interrupted him nearly EVERY time he spoke?


Debates are supposed to be back and forth, point and counterpoint. They aren't supposed to be unchallenged blocks of alternating talking points.
 
2012-10-12 12:54:25 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Mercutio74: Dodge one? He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.

How could he when Biden interrupted him nearly EVERY time he spoke lied?


Fixed that for... no wait, you're right too.
 
2012-10-12 12:56:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Send your question to the Romney/Ryan campaign. I can't speak for them. I'd like to hear a better explanation of his tax plan myself. The idea that the details need to be negotiated in a bipartisan way sounds appealing but Romney needs to go into those talks with solid, real proposals that can serve as a starting point.

I'll give you a hint: the reason he doesn't have a plan yet is because the numbers don't add up.


Well, Team Obama has added them up and determined tax breaks for the rich, tax increases for the middle class. A disingenuous interpretation based on a policy center report that Romney counters with an ill-defined plan to do away with deductions and loopholes for the rich that would result in them actually paying more.

What to believe? In campaigns, the less you believe the better, sadly.
 
2012-10-12 12:58:03 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Mercutio74: Dodge one? He refused to give any substantive answer to any question except regarding abortion.

How could he when Biden interrupted him nearly EVERY time he spoke?


Everyone knows that VPs will never be interrupted. Clearly, Biden was playing dirty by not affording Ryan the chance to interrupt him back, and Ryan showed what a real VP looks like.

// if Ryan can't take what Biden did last night, how's he gonna be when the King of Saudi Arabia rhetorically pushes him around?
// or Medvedev or Ahmadinejad or even Netanyahu?
// is he just gonna wait until they're done, then make the same point they just refuted with their interruption and claim victory?
// a winning strategy
 
2012-10-12 12:59:00 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Honestly I think it was pretty much a draw. Ryan did ok, while Biden energized both his party and the republicans. His problem is that he really did come off as rude, even though Ryan got called on a bunch of stuff. Biden tried to be aggressive to counter Romney in the last debate, but Ryan isn't Romney and I think he over did it. One of my very conservative coworkers this morning argued Romney respected the President not the moderator, while Biden tried to run over everybody.

Televised debates are about appearance as much as substance and I think Biden may have undone the fact he won the debate by being over aggressive. Romney looked strong last time only because Obama phoned it in. Biden looked rude because Ryan was there and ready. Overall though I don't think either one did anything last night to sway voters at all.

/Before you yell at me, no I'm not voting for Romney


When fixing the economy is a fundamental message of your campaign, and you've announced a 20% tax cut across the board but can't provide one single detail about your plan, you're hardly ready. Biden looked rude because he was pushy and Ryan's failure to defend himself, whether unable or unwilling to do so, made him look a bit like a kid being picked on by the grumpy old man.

/not yelling at you
 
2012-10-12 01:19:34 PM  

Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: bdub77: Two more debates. I think Obama will do well enough to win Ohio and pretty much sew up the electoral win.

Wow. People see what they want to see, I guess. Biden ...

How do you think Mitt/Ryan will cut taxes 20%, and drop unemployment below 4%?

they say they will, and you support them. I'd love to hear, in your own words, how you think that will happen?

also, if you buy the Mitt plan I have a plan that will guaranteed double your money in one week. Now the details are complicated, and I'll need your money before I get into those. How about I put you down for $100 bucks? also vote Mitt.

In answer to your question, Biden seemed like a surly old man acting rude, condescending and quite bizarrely for a guy's who's the farking vice president.

Ryan was more calm and had some decent comebacks.

I don't know who won ultimately but farklibs are so desperate for something to grasp onto their creating their own dark timeline.

you avoided my question quite clumsily. try again.

I've tried this before unsuccessfully but here you go:

Send your question to the Romney/Ryan campaign. I can't speak for them. I'd like to hear a better explanation of his tax plan myself. The idea that the details need to be negotiated in a bipartisan way sounds appealing but Romney needs to go into those talks with solid, real proposals that can serve as a starting point.



I see why you didn't want to answer, there is no answer. What are you supporting exactly?

the idea that they need to work out the plan with both dems and reps in congress isn't an acceptable reason for not giving any details to back up this great plan. It's just an obvious aside that's being used as a smokescreen for their lack of ideas.

it's not a plan, it's goals.
Joe called Ryan on this as he should have. Their biggest selling point for voting for them is paper thin and is just wishful thinking dressed up as thoughtful policy.
 
2012-10-12 01:20:09 PM  
Cletus C. btw thanks for actually answering honestly.
 
2012-10-12 01:25:14 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-12 01:42:03 PM  
Posted this to FB today ...

What's the difference between last night's Vice Presidential Debate and the Republican National Convention? The old man yelling at the empty chair actually won last night.

// Here all week ...
// Try the veal ...
 
2012-10-12 02:09:34 PM  
Politics tab headline of the year candidate.
 
2012-10-12 02:24:43 PM  
You people complaining about Biden's interruptions simply aren't seeing the full picture.

Ryan is an awkward public speaker at best. He doesn't have the easy confidence of a Reagan or Clinton, he can't speak of matters on the fly but is always regurgitating prepared lines and comments. Along with that regurgitation comes a tendency to excessively pause between sentences as he mentally queues up the next line. Biden watched Ryan's speeches/interviews and spotted the weakness just like any other political junkie paying attention to the election. Its a double weakness that Biden exploited, the pauses allowed the interruptions to happen and the stiffness prevented Ryan from smoothly rebutting. Politicians talk over each other all the time and the good speakers now how to respond to it and to shut it down.

Getting mad at Biden completely misses the point, if Ryan had skill or experience he wouldn't have been so thoroughly humiliated in Debating 101. On the plus side for you Ryan fans I bet he won't ever let that happen to himself again, your boy will dust himself off and he'll be back in the game in 2016.
 
2012-10-12 02:42:29 PM  

mrshowrules:

Biden won because he showed the Country that he would be a better President.


.....aaaand we're done here folks. Thread over.
 
2012-10-12 03:43:10 PM  

WalkingCarpet: Meanwhile over at Fox News...

[i46.tinypic.com image 674x704]


Wow, they're downright panicking!
 
2012-10-12 03:53:27 PM  

BuckTurgidson: WalkingCarpet: Meanwhile over at Fox News...

[i46.tinypic.com image 674x704]

Wow, they're downright panicking!


I love the Bias Alert.
inoculating their cult following into rejecting news that doesn't follow the Fox line.
 
2012-10-12 06:03:27 PM  
Republicans are helafunny when Democrats fight back.
The Problem is that Dems have a heart and feel sorry for them and stop when they should be beating the Derp out of them
 
2012-10-12 07:21:09 PM  
Ryan has a truly unfortunate face.
 
2012-10-13 10:08:47 AM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Ryan has a truly unfortunate face.


He has the kind of face that says, "What, me worry?"
 
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