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2012-10-12 10:50:26 AM
5 votes:
I'm sorry, Republicans, that Ryan had to lie so much and that Biden had to respond in such a condescending demeaning manner, calling Ryan out on all his bullshiat. I'm sorry if his attitude hurt your feelings. Republican feelings are notoriously fragile. But we saw what happened when Obama held back on Romney for all his horseshiat.
2012-10-12 11:11:01 AM
4 votes:
If someone loudly exclaimed "facts" to me along the lines of "The Corvette is built by Dodge." "Honey Boo Boo's mom wears a size 4." "Joel Schumacher is the finest filmmaker of this or any generation." or "A 20% across-the-board tax cut will reduce the deficit." I'd laugh in that person's face, too.
2012-10-12 08:56:15 AM
4 votes:
Remember when liberals, moderates, Democrats, centrists, etc all openly acknowledged that Barack Obama shiat the bed in the first debate, and that Romney outperformed him? Is it any surprise to anyone that Romney's fanboys refuse follow suit today?
2012-10-12 08:28:15 AM
4 votes:

Cythraul: somedude210: PreMortem: somedude210: PreMortem: And by Twitter, subby means GOP water carriers.

...um...NPR is now a GOP water carrier?

NPR has a Twitter feed mentioned here?

Also, Jennifer Rubin is not the same as the Washington Post.

Sorry, PBS, but he's a contributor to some NPR shows

PBS' Jeff Greenfield: "Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate."


/subby

So did Romney, from what little I saw of the first presidential debate. Did the same people speak about his smirk as well?


Paul Ryan also smirked, rolled eyes, laughed, and interrupted.

IOKIYAR.
2012-10-12 08:25:18 AM
4 votes:

somedude210: PreMortem: somedude210: PreMortem: And by Twitter, subby means GOP water carriers.

...um...NPR is now a GOP water carrier?

NPR has a Twitter feed mentioned here?

Also, Jennifer Rubin is not the same as the Washington Post.

Sorry, PBS, but he's a contributor to some NPR shows

PBS' Jeff Greenfield: "Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate."


/subby


So did Romney, from what little I saw of the first presidential debate. Did the same people speak about his smirk as well?
2012-10-12 07:51:10 AM
4 votes:

SineSwiper: This is what happens in conversations like these. You smell bullshiat and you laugh that he's spewing this bullshiat, especially since you can't interrupt him.


Exactly. I can't fault him for laughing in the face of a liar
2012-10-12 02:08:52 PM
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The worst they can say is that he exaggerating. While old Joe out and out lied


Really? From your link here is an outright lie:

RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.
2012-10-12 01:51:54 PM
3 votes:
"OMG he was so rude to our guy!" = "Our guy got his F*CKING ASS KICKED"

You'll notice no one is talking about how Ryan wiped the floor with Biden last night. You'll notice the Biden gaffe thread here on Fark went completely dead after the debate. You'll have to forgive the GOP'ers -- they go into shock for a few days whenever the fantasy world they've built around themselves crashes into reality.
2012-10-12 11:12:07 AM
3 votes:
man, the Republicans are PISSED about Biden openly laughing at Ryan's lies.
2012-10-12 10:58:36 AM
3 votes:
It was an actual debate, with back and forth, bordering on aggressive at times, with one candidate openly calling the other out on his bullsh*t.

That's terrifying to the mainstream media.
2012-10-12 09:40:12 AM
3 votes:
i45.tinypic.com

love the ad on this page. love how "NO" is green and "YES" is red.

they should've made obama angrier and blacker though.
2012-10-12 08:32:00 AM
3 votes:

Bontesla: Paul Ryan also smirked


He has an extremely punchable face.
2012-10-12 07:53:19 AM
3 votes:
And by Twitter, subby means GOP water carriers.
2012-10-12 07:47:04 AM
3 votes:
This is what happens in conversations like these. You smell bullshiat and you laugh that he's spewing this bullshiat, especially since you can't interrupt him.
2012-10-12 02:40:46 PM
2 votes:

badaboom: lennavan: badaboom: lennavan: Paul Ryan flat out lies over and over again.
Biden laughs and smiles when he does it.

So naturally the story is "What's up with Biden?" This is why you suck, media.

You must have missed all of Biden's flat out lies

Like the one where he said he voted against the war. Too bad there is something called written history and documentation

But you guys keep farking that liar liar chicken. It is hilarious.

Link

I claim Paul Ryan lied over and over again. Your great defense is "Joe Biden also told a single lie?" I guess you admit Paul Ryan lies. I think that's the most admission I will possibly get out of you, so we'll ignore how Biden didn't really lie in your link.

I'm glad you were able to admit Paul Ryan is a liar.

Cheers.


Wow, that has to be the King of all Strawmen arguments. Ok, I hereby claim Joe Biden lied over and over again. Want some more examples?

From the AP, a known Right wing organization I know:

BIDEN: "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly - we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view."

RYAN: "There were requests for more security."

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at the hearing a day earlier.

Oops that was a lie Mr. Vice President.

BIDEN: "We went out and rescued General Motors."

THE FACTS: Actually, the auto bailout of General Motors and Chrysler began under President George W. Bush. The Obama administration continued and expanded it.

I disagreed with Bush. But oops another lie Mr. Vice President.

BIDEN, when asked who would pay more taxes in Obama's second term: "People making a million dollars or more."

THE FACTS: Obama's proposed tax increase reaches farther down the income ladder than milliona ...


You missed a few douchebox:

RYAN: "Look at just the $90 billion in stimulus the vice president was in charge of overseeing - this $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups."

THE FACTS: Dismissing an entire package of energy stimulus grants and loans as "green pork" ignores the help that was given to people to make their homes more energy efficient, grants to public entities constructing high speed rail lines and tax credits to manufacturers to install equipment fostering cleaner energy.

To be sure, there were notable failed investments, such as $528 million to the politically connected and now-bankrupt solar power company Solyndra. But Ryan's claim made it sound like every penny went down the drain.

More broadly, economists are nearly universal in saying President Barack Obama's $800 billion-plus stimulus passed in early 2009 helped create both public-sector and private-sector jobs, even if they fell short of what sponsors had hoped. Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, estimated the stimulus saved or created more than 3 million jobs.

___ RYAN: "And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. This board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next year. And not one of them even has to have medical training."

THE FACTS: Ryan is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, created under Obama's health care overhaul law. It has the power to force cuts in Medicare payments to service providers if costs rise above certain levels and Congress fails to act. But it doesn't look like the board will be cutting Medicare "each and every year," as Ryan asserts. Medicare costs are currently rising modestly and the government's own experts project the board's intervention will not be needed until 2018 or 2019 at the earliest - after Obama leaves office if re-elected to a second term.

RYAN: "We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. Now, let's take a look at where we've gone - come from. When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material - nuclear material - to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five. They're racing toward a nuclear weapon. They're four years closer toward a nuclear weapons capability."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim is misleading. Iran isn't believed to have produced any of the highly enriched uranium needed to produce even one nuclear weapon, let alone five. That point isn't even disputed by Israel, whose Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored the world at the United Nations last month to create a "red line" at enrichment above 20 percent. Iran would have to enrich uranium at much higher levels to produce a weapon. There is intelligence suggesting that Iran has worked on weapon designs, but not that it has developed a delivery system for any potential nuclear warhead.

RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.

RYAN: "We should have spoken out right away when the green revolution was up and starting, when the mullahs in Iran were attacking their people. We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people."

THE FACTS: Neither Obama nor anyone else in his administration ever considered the Syrian leader a "reformer." The oft-repeated charge stems from an interview Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave in March 2011 noting that "many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer." She did not endorse that view. The comment was widely perceived to be a knock at senators, such as John Kerry of Massachusetts, who maintained cordial relations with Assad in the months leading up to his crackdown on protesters.

RYAN: "This one tax would actually tax about 53 percent of small-business income."

BIDEN: "Ninety-seven percent of the small businesses in America pay less - make less than $250,000."

THE FACTS: Both are correct, but incomplete, when sizing up the effect on small business of raising taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and married couples making more than $250,000, as Obama wants to do. Republicans say that would hit small-business owners who report business income on their individual income tax; Democrats say the overwhelming majority of small businesses would not be affected.

According to a 2010 report by the Joint Committee on Taxation, the official scorekeeper for Congress, about 3 percent of people who report business income would face a tax increase under Obama's plan. That support's Biden's point.

The same report says those business owners account for about half of all business income. That supports Ryan.

RYAN: Notes that there have been four rounds of U.N. sanctions on Iran to deter its nuclear program, three during the Bush administration and one under Obama. "And the only reason we got it is because Russia watered it down and prevented the sanctions from hitting the central bank. Mitt Romney proposed these sanctions in 2007. In Congress, I've been fighting for these sanctions since 2009. The administration was blocking us every step of the way." He also noted the administration has granted 20 waivers to the sanctions.

THE FACTS: The argument that the administration was watering down or delaying sanctions is misleading. For sanctions to work, they need maximum global agreement and cooperation. Russia watered down U.N. sanctions not only under Obama but also under Bush. And it's highly unlikely that a Romney administration, particularly led by a candidate who says Russia is the biggest geostrategic threat to the U.S., would be able to get Russia completely on board with what the U.S. wants - either on Iran or Syria.

The more absolute U.S. sanctions that Ryan and others have pushed in Congress would have punished U.S. allies, including most countries in Europe as well as Japan and South Korea, along with good friends like India and Singapore - without the exemptions that were put in place.

The administration has indeed granted 20 waivers, to countries that made significant reductions in Iranian oil imports. And the sanctions are pinching; Iran has been convulsed over the past week with protests over the collapse of its currency, which most people say is a direct result of the sanctions that the U.S. and others have imposed.



HERPA DERPA DOO
2012-10-12 02:22:57 PM
2 votes:
The lesson from all this is that only Republicans are allowed to smile, laugh, and interrupt during debates. Democrats must be silent and just bend over. Anything more is cheating.
2012-10-12 02:18:53 PM
2 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [i.imgur.com image 640x392]

Every time they cut back to Ryan, this is what his face looked like.


That right there is the face of every College Republican I've ever wanted to back-hand slap.
2012-10-12 02:10:23 PM
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: man, the Republicans are PISSED about Biden openly laughing at Ryan's lies.

He didn't lie!


If you don't think that the whole government death panel bullshiat Ryan spewed was a lie, please submit yourself to one somewhere because you are too stupid to live.
2012-10-12 02:01:42 PM
2 votes:
THIS JUST IN: Conservatives are thin-skinned pussies.

There's a reason it's not breaking news...
2012-10-12 01:53:51 PM
2 votes:
BIDEN: *laugh* "You're a liar, and here's why."

GOP: "W-w-w-well you're just a big meany!"
2012-10-12 10:55:49 AM
2 votes:
When a campaign keeps bringing up something that has been called the "Lie of the Year," you kind of have to laugh at them.
2012-10-12 10:47:13 AM
2 votes:
You know what, BS needs to be called out. Ryan was spewing BS like a wild man, and Biden reacted appropriately.

Republicans have been very, very good at controlling the narrative and cowing the media and Democrats from calling them out on their lies. Obama in the first debate is a perfect example of that. Biden wasn't going to sit there and act like BS being spoken is legit and shouldn't be laughed at. It was quite refreshing. Republicans really haven't had to face that before, so I'm sure they're completely thrown off by it. The best they can do is try to point away from WHY Biden was reacting that way and laughing at them.
2012-10-12 09:41:02 AM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: romney smirks, talks over people: "presidential!"
biden smirks, talks over people: "rude!"


Dems are weak until they're agressive then they're rude.
2012-10-12 09:14:43 AM
2 votes:
It was a little of both. Few things are funnier than a submitter heroically defending an article that is, if we are being extremely charitable, incredibly lazy and mediocre.
2012-10-12 08:49:33 AM
2 votes:
Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin: "Biden's laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious"

Yeah, I'm sure Jennifer Rubin was really hoping Joe would do well.
2012-10-12 08:03:29 AM
2 votes:

somedude210: PreMortem: And by Twitter, subby means GOP water carriers.

...um...NPR is now a GOP water carrier?


NPR has a Twitter feed mentioned here?

Also, Jennifer Rubin is not the same as the Washington Post.
2012-10-12 04:34:56 PM
1 votes:
Rolling Stone

Nice. Glad someone said it.
2012-10-12 03:03:28 PM
1 votes:

internut scholar: So constantly laughing at someone is a good debate tactic now? You really think that is a good way to convince an audience that you are the right team for the job?

I don't think so.


This debate reminded me of the time I argued with someone who was trying to convince me that a hockey team with a guy in the penalty box has exactly as many players on the ice as the team on the power play. There is nothing you can do but laugh at something like that, because their belief that they're inherently right is more powerful than any facts you can present to them. You have to laugh because you can see the contortions their brain goes through in order to ignore reality and evade all responses that would prove them wrong.
2012-10-12 02:55:33 PM
1 votes:
So constantly laughing at someone is a good debate tactic now? You really think that is a good way to convince an audience that you are the right team for the job?

I don't think so.
2012-10-12 02:49:14 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: He deserved to be mocked and laughed at...

Biden actually gained a few points with me for that. It's about time someone started calling this shameless Gomer Pyle looking liar on his bullshiat.

5 trillion in tax cuts and a doubling of the defense budgets is "revenue neutral" because they're going to cut so loopholes "for the wealthy"? C'mon...


I'd like to add some fail points for Ryan.

1) holy shiat he was repetitive and not just for emphasis, he was repeating stuff when he couldn't think of anything else to say at several points during the debate.

2) As to "Biden was too hard on him". So what? Do Conservatives think Ryan doesn't have the skills to stick up for himself? Clearly.

3) Ryan failed so hard on Afghanistan if it would have been a boxing match it would have needed a standing 8 count. When Biden said "you want Americans to fight instead of Afghans" (paraphrase) it was an upper-cut. Nothing Romney said during the POTUS debate was even close that type of devastation.
2012-10-12 02:41:10 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm going to keep laughing myself.

At the same group of people who insist that the moderator who let the candidates talk to each other and debate was terrible but the moderator that was obviously on Biden's side was great.

By the way, Biden did you no favors. The only people who liked what they saw last night were the people who are in a panic as the election turns against Obama.

Oh and the liar was Biden, particularly on Benghazi. First we had the moderator open the debate with an Obama administration talking point that nobody even believes except the far left then we had Biden running excuse number... I lost count... on "Why This Isn't Obama's Fault!"


First, how was the dog that was sick yesterday? Good I hope (seriously).

Second, I've never commented on either moderator. Your boy had his ass handed to him and that would have happened regardless of whatever moderator you would have had. Biden brought his A game and Ryan was struggling the whole debate.
2012-10-12 02:39:42 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: BIDEN: "Romney said 'No, let Detroit go bankrupt.'"

THE FACTS: GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has gotten endless grief through the campaign for the headline put on a November 2008 opinion essay he wrote for The New York Times. But his point was never that he wanted the auto industry to go down the tubes.


Are you farking kidding me? headline aside, the article said exactly that -- let the industry die and something better will emerge from the ashes like a glorious phoenix. Sure a lot of lives will be devastated in the meantime but who farking cares?
2012-10-12 02:29:36 PM
1 votes:
Ah, one of the many threads today where Republican water carriers show what pant-shiatting pussies they really are when their little golden boy gets curb-stomped by an old man.

The butt-hurt is glorious.
2012-10-12 02:23:02 PM
1 votes:
Weekly Standard's Mark Hemingway
Washington Examiner's Philip Klein
BuzzFeed's Ben Smith
Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring
Radio host Neal Boortz
Townhall.com's Guy Benson
MSNBC's S.E. Cupp
Washington Examiner's Paul Bedard
Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer
Republican strategist Ron Bonjean
Washington Times' Emily Miller
Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin


i14.photobucket.com
2012-10-12 02:16:35 PM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan flat out lies over and over again.
Biden laughs and smiles when he does it.

So naturally the story is "What's up with Biden?" This is why you suck, media.
2012-10-12 02:13:29 PM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse:

I'm gathering you saw very little of the Presidnetial debate...and even less of the VP debate.

Biden is a dick. He really didn't come across as a respectful thoughtful debater. I give Ryan props forkeeping his composure, not telling joe to STFU.



And I am soooo sure that you thought Romney was a dick too. Fact is, someone needed to tell Ryan to STFU and quit lying. Too bad the Pres didn't have the balls to do it to Romney with all his lies as well.
2012-10-12 02:06:23 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2012-10-12 02:00:40 PM
1 votes:

Zeno-25: When your opponent will lie through their teeth and then deny it when called out on their bs, laughing at them and interrupting them while they're telling their lies is about all that can be done. Let's hope Obama learns the lesson from this debate.


Seriously. When you get right down to it, any whining from media personalities about Biden's performance is gonna come down to one thing and one thing only: he was showing them how their job should be done. If they weren't a bunch of incompetent sycophants, this wouldn't have been an issue.
2012-10-12 01:53:07 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: "OMG he was so rude to our guy!" = "Our guy got his F*CKING ASS KICKED"

You'll notice no one is talking about how Ryan wiped the floor with Biden last night. You'll notice the Biden gaffe thread here on Fark went completely dead after the debate. You'll have to forgive the GOP'ers -- they go into shock for a few days whenever the fantasy world they've built around themselves crashes into reality.


i'm sure they're hard at work putting together an "unskewed" edit of the debate as we speak.
2012-10-12 11:58:42 AM
1 votes:

Quasar: Weaver95: man, the Republicans are PISSED about Biden openly laughing at Ryan's lies.

As a liberal I'm annoyed because he did it so often it will look bad to retar- er undecideds. I understand, but it was a bit much and is likely the reason people are making the outlandish claim that the debate was a tie.


I'm waiting for Limbaugh to start his opening rant. I am not expecting anything original but...it'll give me an idea of what the GOP shills will be saying for later this weekend.

I'm glad Biden was openly contemptuous of Ryan's lies though. God knows the rest of us have been rolling our eyes at the Republican weirdness for quite some time now.
2012-10-12 11:55:10 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: man, the Republicans are PISSED about Biden openly laughing at Ryan's lies.


As a liberal I'm annoyed because he did it so often it will look bad to retar- er undecideds. I understand, but it was a bit much and is likely the reason people are making the outlandish claim that the debate was a tie.
2012-10-12 11:28:02 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: man, the Republicans are PISSED about Biden openly laughing at Ryan's lies.


He didn't lie! The one and only thing they can point to is whether or not Administration called Bashar Assad a reformer and that just comes down to semantics. Hilliary said that others said he was a reformer. May news sources got it wrong too. And I would say that if Hilliary brought it up and said it that way then she was trying to form public opinion that he was a reformer. It's kind of like when politicians say that they have friends that say stuff.
And Uncle Joe is over there laughing like a damn idiot. And I like Joe! I really wish there were more people out there that could just talk to the American people like he normally does. But last night he was on something. They talked about giving Obama valium before the debate, what the hell did that give Joe? What turns a normally likable guy into a complete arse?

The worst they can say is that he exaggerating. While old Joe out and out lied

SineSwiper: especially since you can't interrupt him.


he just did it over 80 times. Even CNN talked about how often Joe interrupted Ryan. To say it never happened is ridiculous
2012-10-12 10:40:40 AM
1 votes:
img.photobucket.com

I love how the Repugnantan rags ignore the reasons why something is happening and then make up their own reasons.
2012-10-12 09:38:34 AM
1 votes:
romney smirks, talks over people: "presidential!"
biden smirks, talks over people: "rude!"

ok, got it.
2012-10-12 09:17:34 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: It was a little of both. Few things are funnier than a submitter heroically defending an article that is, if we are being extremely charitable, incredibly lazy and mediocre.


fair enough. Can we both agree then that this was a crap article that somehow deserves front page on Politico?
2012-10-12 09:08:35 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: I'm so sorry, your article is totally awesome and you should defend it some more


Its not my article, it's from politico. I realize that "stupid people tweet shiat because our society is in freefall" articles are nothing new, but Politico deemed it worth of being on their main page, so since it's not news, what better place to submit it than on Fark.

You just seem to want to tear me apart for something I had no hand in writing. Why you feel the need to, I don't know, but you are. So why are you so pissy this morning?
2012-10-12 09:03:31 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: Oh look, NBC's David Gregory tweets.


"Biden's smile is out of control."

A scathing indictment.
2012-10-12 08:58:15 AM
1 votes:
Wow, Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring's tweets. Tell me more, submitter.
2012-10-12 08:33:35 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: somedude210: PreMortem: somedude210: PreMortem: And by Twitter, subby means GOP water carriers.

...um...NPR is now a GOP water carrier?

NPR has a Twitter feed mentioned here?

Also, Jennifer Rubin is not the same as the Washington Post.

Sorry, PBS, but he's a contributor to some NPR shows

PBS' Jeff Greenfield: "Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate."


/subby

So did Romney, from what little I saw of the first presidential debate. Did the same people speak about his smirk as well?


I think most people cared about the president seeming not to care then Romney being Romney. But I dunno. I don't recall any stories about it.

Personally, I think the laughing helped Biden
 
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