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2012-10-12 10:13:05 AM
Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.
 
2012-10-12 11:04:02 AM
So, it's time for the Joss Whedon Waif-Fu thread of the week.
 
2012-10-12 11:52:14 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.


Revealing costumes are essential, but I think if you replaced huge tits with small, perky tits, it wouldn't harm sales. Think about the 5th Element chick.
 
2012-10-12 11:54:30 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.



We would also have accepted "Good luck with that."
 
2012-10-12 11:55:38 AM
www.btvsonline.com 

I'm sorry......What were we discussing again?
 
2012-10-12 11:57:00 AM
Maybe it's not the tits, maybe it's the genre. Not everyone is into adolescent male power fantasies.

/love
//rockets
 
2012-10-12 11:57:42 AM

Apos: [www.btvsonline.com image 600x839] 

I'm sorry......What were we discussing again?


I believe it was boobs and guns, somebody shop a gun into that picture.
 
2012-10-12 12:00:17 PM
The comments so far just prove the point of TFA (if you read it): If you want more quality, female characters as superheroes, you need to appeal to the female demographic and not the male one. So, you want to go away from "boobs with guns."

/ Not that I mind the pictures...
 
2012-10-12 12:03:26 PM

cgraves67: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

Revealing costumes are essential, but I think if you replaced huge tits with small, perky tits, it wouldn't harm sales. Think about the 5th Element chick.


keep your damn dirty hands off of my Mila...
 
2012-10-12 12:05:54 PM
www.starpulse.com

None of these, then?
 
2012-10-12 12:10:42 PM
... but I like boobs with guns

prettygirlswithguns.net
 
2012-10-12 12:14:44 PM

bostonguy: The comments so far just prove the point of TFA (if you read it): If you want more quality, female characters as superheroes, you need to appeal to the female demographic and not the male one. So, you want to go away from "boobs with guns."

/ Not that I mind the pictures...


The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

Same reason why there aren't many kids books anymore.
 
2012-10-12 12:16:43 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.


TFA argues that people who want to see more female superheroes should ignore comics and focus on TV. It's kind of a lengthy marketing analysis that goes through different options...
 
2012-10-12 12:18:39 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.


The world is changing. Psylocke of the X-Men just started wearing pants. Next Emma Frost will put on a jacket.
 
2012-10-12 12:21:40 PM

bostonguy: FirstNationalBastard: The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

TFA argues that people who want to see more female superheroes should ignore comics and focus on TV. It's kind of a lengthy marketing analysis that goes through different options...


The problem with that is that TV doesn't know how to do female superheroes correctly.

Sure, they did Xena. But that's about it. Look at the Wonder Woman pilot that was buried. They wanted it to be Ally McBeal with super powers. In fact, executives think pretty much every show with a female lead needs to be Ally McBeal with *insert needed attribute*. They can't just let there be a strong, asskicking woman action hero.
 
2012-10-12 12:38:04 PM
The Comics creators were mostly Jewish, nerdy-smart guys, who liked the pretty girls who had no time for them, and preferred the wealthy athletes in High School and College.

The proper conjunction makes all the difference between "lonely Jewish nerd" and "gay Jewish nerd", Mr. Buffy Failblogger.

/should be "but", not "and"

Superman is the most globally recognized fictional character.

Mickey Mouse and Ronald McDonald disagree, but hey, when your source is "writer named Whisky", who am I to dispute this?
 
2012-10-12 12:43:51 PM
The comic book industry trying to cater to the young female demographic makes as much sense the PC gaming market porting AAA titles to the Mac.
 
2012-10-12 12:45:22 PM

Shadow Blasko: So, it's time for the Joss Whedon Waif-Fu thread of the week.


I'm excited for it.
 
2012-10-12 12:46:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.


And how are they supposed to fight anyway? Beat people with their boobs of death?
 
2012-10-12 12:53:50 PM

PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

The world is changing. Psylocke of the X-Men just started wearing pants. Next Emma Frost will put on a jacket.


SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
 
2012-10-12 01:03:57 PM
i think there just needs to be better script writers... or producers willing to allow better scripts get produced.

/ but, aren't we all tired of superheroes?
 
2012-10-12 01:14:15 PM

Flappyhead: PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

The world is changing. Psylocke of the X-Men just started wearing pants. Next Emma Frost will put on a jacket.

SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!


Actually she's worn pants before
When she was temporarily Captain Britain
s2.hubimg.com

Around Mutant Massacre
s4.hubimg.com

When she wore armor
s2.hubimg.com

During X-Tinction Agenda
s2.hubimg.com
 
2012-10-12 01:15:48 PM
Terry Moore's 'Echo' has a scorching hot lead character who isn't a walking sterotype. It's fairly excellent.

Link
 
2012-10-12 01:19:29 PM

Karac: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

And how are they supposed to fight anyway? Beat people with their boobs of death?


Haven't watched a Foamy video for a while. Nice stuff.
 
2012-10-12 01:58:46 PM

FirstNationalBastard: bostonguy: FirstNationalBastard: The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

TFA argues that people who want to see more female superheroes should ignore comics and focus on TV. It's kind of a lengthy marketing analysis that goes through different options...

The problem with that is that TV doesn't know how to do female superheroes correctly.

Sure, they did Xena. But that's about it. Look at the Wonder Woman pilot that was buried. They wanted it to be Ally McBeal with super powers. In fact, executives think pretty much every show with a female lead needs to be Ally McBeal with *insert needed attribute*. They can't just let there be a strong, asskicking woman action hero.


Not sure I follow -- that's exactly what Ally McBeal is. She's fighting for her clients, wearing sexy miniskirts, and being self-reliant. And having lots of sex.
 
2012-10-12 02:01:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: bostonguy: The comments so far just prove the point of TFA (if you read it): If you want more quality, female characters as superheroes, you need to appeal to the female demographic and not the male one. So, you want to go away from "boobs with guns."

/ Not that I mind the pictures...

The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

Same reason why there aren't many kids books anymore.


KIds books? Like 'Harry Potter'? Do you mean kids comics? Because, gotta bust your bubble here, there are a shiatload of both being produced and they sell quite well. On topic, if anyone could write a leading female character who was a role model for 8-12 year old girls they would sell the shiat out of that comic; audience exists, no product.


/yes, I work at a 'comic book' store
 
2012-10-12 02:02:13 PM
www.top40db.net

Approve.

/hot link!
//obscure?
 
2012-10-12 02:03:11 PM

Brainsick: if anyone could write a charismatic,powerful, fun, smart and capable lead female character who was a role model for 8-12 year old girls they would sell the shiat out of that comic; audience exists, no product


FTFM
 
2012-10-12 02:07:43 PM

FirstNationalBastard: bostonguy: FirstNationalBastard: The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

TFA argues that people who want to see more female superheroes should ignore comics and focus on TV. It's kind of a lengthy marketing analysis that goes through different options...

The problem with that is that TV doesn't know how to do female superheroes correctly.

Sure, they did Xena. But that's about it. Look at the Wonder Woman pilot that was buried. They wanted it to be Ally McBeal with super powers. In fact, executives think pretty much every show with a female lead needs to be Ally McBeal with *insert needed attribute*. They can't just let there be a strong, asskicking woman action hero.


How about Charmed? That certainly qualified. So do all the current vampire shows. There are plenty of "magical" TV shows based around female characters for a primary female audience. It's just it's rare for them to be actual "superheros" with capes and costumes and shiat. Heck, Buffy didn't have any of that, either.
 
2012-10-12 02:17:33 PM
FTFA: The size of the comic-book market in North America has grown from roughly $310 million in 1997 to $675 million in 2011, an increase of 118% that far surpasses the estimated 14% increase in population over the same period of time - meaning a greater and greater percentage of Americans are reading comic books each year

Hahaha, what a bullshiat article.

Price of comics in 1997: 1.99
Price of comics in 2011: 3.99

Gee, so if you double the price, you double the money you make?
 
2012-10-12 02:36:19 PM

rocky_howard: FTFA: The size of the comic-book market in North America has grown from roughly $310 million in 1997 to $675 million in 2011, an increase of 118% that far surpasses the estimated 14% increase in population over the same period of time - meaning a greater and greater percentage of Americans are reading comic books each year

Hahaha, what a bullshiat article.

Price of comics in 1997: 1.99
Price of comics in 2011: 3.99

Gee, so if you double the price, you double the money you make?


And in that time, the number of readers has been somewhere between stagnant and decreasing.
 
2012-10-12 02:58:25 PM
This goes back to the thread on female characters in video games. If there was a market for it then people would buy it. When they do create superhero characters who aren't all boobs and guns, they don't sell.

Then you have shows like Buffy, Charmed, or Alias who have strong female leads who aren't all boobs but if you look at the show's plots it's not a show aimed at males, it's a drama disguising itself as an action show. The action is often there as a medium to deliver the relationships between characters not as an end to itself. The only difference between those shows and Single Female Lawyer is that they're fighting monsters instead of criminals.

The article wants more female superheros on TV but there's little reason for studios to take on such an expensive risky project when if they want superheros there are plenty of well established male ones that they can turn into dramas and they know women will watch anyway. The author doesn't want more female superheros, she want's more dramas staring female superheros.
 
2012-10-12 03:06:34 PM
 
2012-10-12 03:07:09 PM
Ugh... Crap... Sorry about that. FARK killed a bad tag and that happened.
 
2012-10-12 03:08:15 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!:
Then you have shows like Buffy, Charmed, or Alias who have strong female leads who aren't all boobs but if you look at the show's plots it's not a show aimed at males, it's a drama disguising itself as an action show. The action is often there as a medium to deliver the relationships between characters not as an end to itself. The only difference between those shows and Single Female Lawyer is that they're fighting monsters instead of criminals.


This is what I was trying to do. Oops.
 
2012-10-12 03:20:20 PM
media.comicvine.com
 
2012-10-12 03:32:47 PM

Brainsick: FirstNationalBastard: bostonguy: The comments so far just prove the point of TFA (if you read it): If you want more quality, female characters as superheroes, you need to appeal to the female demographic and not the male one. So, you want to go away from "boobs with guns."

/ Not that I mind the pictures...

The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

Same reason why there aren't many kids books anymore.

KIds books? Like 'Harry Potter'? Do you mean kids comics? Because, gotta bust your bubble here, there are a shiatload of both being produced and they sell quite well. On topic, if anyone could write a leading female character who was a role model for 8-12 year old girls they would sell the shiat out of that comic; audience exists, no product.


/yes, I work at a 'comic book' store


Spider-Girl.

Sold like shiat.

...and I hate to admit that, because I loved the book. It took the best of silver age Spider-Man and brought it into the 21st century. Plus, Mayday was exactly what you were talking about... a strong female who could easily be a role model for 8 to12-year-old girls, and had the added bonus of being a high school student.

But you wouldn't even have known the book existed as far as Marvel was concerned, and then they ended it to use the name on Joey Q's pet mary sue. And oh, how wonderful that Arana-Girl failed.

Anyway, back to the kids thing... who do they sell to? Or better yet, where do they sell? In the direct market, kids comics sell nothing. Do they sell well outside of the market covered by the pre-order numbers comic geeks see?

/although, I did see that the My Little Pony comic sold 90k+ for its first issue. I wonder if that will continue, and if MLP will actually bring new readers in, and can be a book with strong female leads, as the show is.
 
2012-10-12 03:35:44 PM
Your blog sucks. Unreadable. Don't quit your day job.

Apos: I'm sorry......What were we discussing again?


This is relevant to my interests.
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-12 03:37:32 PM
Only 3 things to say about this.

1) DC is farking dead to me. Let's make Amanda Waller skinny and hot, Barbara Gordon walk and the new black Green Lantern have a gun and ski mask.
It's ok to be racist but we don' wan' no cripples and fatties up in here!

2) A guy once told me after I asked him why he always picked a female character in video games, "Because I don't want to watch a guys butt for 9 hours while running." What?

3) Wonder Woman is over 50 years old. GIVER HER SOME FREAKING PANTS!!
 
2012-10-12 03:39:55 PM
Tits aren't the problem, the fact that female characters have poor character development or bland personalities that's an issue. Boobs and guns are great, but if that's all there is to the character than they're forgettable.
 
2012-10-12 03:40:33 PM

cgraves67: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

Revealing costumes are essential, but I think if you replaced huge tits with small, perky tits, it wouldn't harm sales. Think about the 5th Element chick.


How is the Powergirl costume reboot doing?

blogs.coventrytelegraph.net
Original Formula

www.threads-of-aether.net
New Coke


www.blogcdn.com
Coke Classic


www.blogcdn.com
Diet Dr. Pepper


goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
Pepsi Clear
 
2012-10-12 03:42:32 PM

Zombie DJ: Only 3 things to say about this.

1) DC is farking dead to me. Let's make Amanda Waller skinny and hot, Barbara Gordon walk and the new black Green Lantern have a gun and ski mask.
It's ok to be racist but we don' wan' no cripples and fatties up in here!

2) A guy once told me after I asked him why he always picked a female character in video games, "Because I don't want to watch a guys butt for 9 hours while running." What?

3) Wonder Woman is over 50 years old. GIVER HER SOME FREAKING PANTS!!


1.- You think he's black? And that it's a racist book? You clearly haven't read it and are just foaming at the mouth for some context-less picture.

2.- LOL, and?

3.- So you think women from 50 years ago were less covered than women today? Rihanna shows more skin and is more sexualized than Wonder Woman. Females everywhere still love her to death.
 
2012-10-12 03:45:44 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: cgraves67: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

Revealing costumes are essential, but I think if you replaced huge tits with small, perky tits, it wouldn't harm sales. Think about the 5th Element chick.

How is the Powergirl costume reboot doing?

[blogs.coventrytelegraph.net image 255x520]
Original Formula

[www.threads-of-aether.net image 401x343]
New Coke


[www.blogcdn.com image 584x464]
Coke Classic


[www.blogcdn.com image 450x700]
Diet Dr. Pepper


[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 400x619]
Pepsi Clear


That first pic is Supergirl, not Power Girl
 
2012-10-12 03:52:13 PM

Geotpf: FirstNationalBastard: bostonguy: FirstNationalBastard: The female demographic of comic book readers is so small, by catering to them you're alienating the majority of the readers.

TFA argues that people who want to see more female superheroes should ignore comics and focus on TV. It's kind of a lengthy marketing analysis that goes through different options...

The problem with that is that TV doesn't know how to do female superheroes correctly.

Sure, they did Xena. But that's about it. Look at the Wonder Woman pilot that was buried. They wanted it to be Ally McBeal with super powers. In fact, executives think pretty much every show with a female lead needs to be Ally McBeal with *insert needed attribute*. They can't just let there be a strong, asskicking woman action hero.

How about Charmed? That certainly qualified. So do all the current vampire shows. There are plenty of "magical" TV shows based around female characters for a primary female audience. It's just it's rare for them to be actual "superheros" with capes and costumes and shiat. Heck, Buffy didn't have any of that, either.


Charmed was great... and then they got rid of Shannon Dougherty and the female head writer/creator in a devastating one-two punch. And then they gave Cole the Idiot Ball. And then they stole Hogwart's and didn't do anything truly creative and fresh with it. And then they changed the meaning of warlock. And then they tried to replace the Three Goddess Archetypes with Generic California Fake Tan and Bleached Hair Central Cast-off Billie.

Charmed started off as three sisters finding a way to mesh their untapped (and intentionally obscured) hidden talents with their desire to live mundane, girly lives. After eight years, they never found that balance, they just kept biatching about how having power sucks and they just want to be normal and have babies and hubbies. After eight years. It went from feminist and fresh, to formulaic.

Don't mind me, I'm just still hurting from the changes.
 
2012-10-12 03:53:42 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Anyway, back to the kids thing... who do they sell to? Or better yet, where do they sell? In the direct market, kids comics sell nothing. Do they sell well outside of the market covered by the pre-order numbers comic geeks see?


The store I work at sells more than 'just' comics and related merch, so it's more of a pop culture/collectables shop that also sells comics. That said, we have two spinners of kid-friendly comics and an 8'x4' shelf of kid-friendly GN 's that sell consistently well. We don't even carry MLP on the racks, pull-box only, so I think that's a flash in the pan. But really, the numbers aspect is above my paygrade, I'm more familiar with the counter transactions. :)

Best sellers, consistently:

Simpson's
Sonic the Hedgehog
Ult. Spider-Man (TV tie in)
EMH Avengers (TV tie in)
Archie
Adventure Time
Super Friends (TV)
 
2012-10-12 03:54:50 PM

texdent: That first pic is Supergirl, not Power Girl


You realize Power Girl is an Earth-2 derivation of Supergirl, so that's why he referred to Supergirl as "Original Formula".
 
2012-10-12 03:56:17 PM

rocky_howard: texdent: That first pic is Supergirl, not Power Girl

You realize Power Girl is an Earth-2 derivation of Supergirl, so that's why he referred to Supergirl as "Original Formula".


Missed that part.
 
2012-10-12 03:57:32 PM

texdent: ExperianScaresCthulhu: cgraves67: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, right.

Let's be honest, fanboys... the only reason comics starring female characters even survive is because they're in skimpy costumes and have huge tits. Take those away, the books don't even get published in the first place.

Revealing costumes are essential, but I think if you replaced huge tits with small, perky tits, it wouldn't harm sales. Think about the 5th Element chick.

How is the Powergirl costume reboot doing?

[blogs.coventrytelegraph.net image 255x520]
Original Formula

[www.threads-of-aether.net image 401x343]
New Coke


[www.blogcdn.com image 584x464]
Coke Classic


[www.blogcdn.com image 450x700]
Diet Dr. Pepper


[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 400x619]
Pepsi Clear

That first pic is Supergirl, not Power Girl


Supergirl is Powergirl.
That's why I named them as I did.

Supergirl: Original Formula
Powergirl in new sans-keyhole costume: New Coke - A return to Supergirl (dig the brooch), is actually Original Formula, but is missing what made original formula unique
Powergirl with keyhole: Coke Classic - Folks are used to the remix, and prefer that over Original Formula and Original Formula sans 'the additive'
Powergirl discussing the psychology of her iconic 'keyhole': Diet Dr. Pepper - it has no right being as good as it is
Powergirl versus Supergirl fake-out cover: Pepsi Clear - sounds good on paper, lame in execution
 
2012-10-12 03:59:01 PM
You're picking a dumb fight, but here:

rocky_howard: 1.- You think he's black? And that it's a racist book? You clearly haven't read it and are just foaming at the mouth for some context-less picture.


Insert picture of Kevin Spacy from Superman "WROOOOOOOOOOOONG!!". I work in a comic book store. Been reading them for over 30 years. The first farking issue they have him carjack a van and then have a bomb in it. You know, the Muslim guy. It's stupid and it's like George Lucas created a character. We've had EVERY single black customer of ours say how it's racist. (Granted there's not many. A black geek is like seeing a Unicorn)

2.- LOL, and?
Nothing. Just venting.

3.- So you think women from 50 years ago were less covered than women today? Rihanna shows more skin and is more sexualized than Wonder Woman. Females everywhere still love her to death.

Are you saying Rhinna is just like Wonder Woman? I must have missed those scenes in Battleship. Perhaps you could lend me your Directors Cut/ Blu-Ray. Diana is supposed to be a Queen and a warrior. Give her some dignity and class, not hotpants.
 
2012-10-12 04:02:23 PM

Zombie DJ: You're picking a dumb fight, but here:

rocky_howard: 1.- You think he's black? And that it's a racist book? You clearly haven't read it and are just foaming at the mouth for some context-less picture.

Insert picture of Kevin Spacy from Superman "WROOOOOOOOOOOONG!!". I work in a comic book store. Been reading them for over 30 years. The first farking issue they have him carjack a van and then have a bomb in it. You know, the Muslim guy. It's stupid and it's like George Lucas created a character. We've had EVERY single black customer of ours say how it's racist. (Granted there's not many. A black geek is like seeing a Unicorn)

2.- LOL, and?
Nothing. Just venting.

3.- So you think women from 50 years ago were less covered than women today? Rihanna shows more skin and is more sexualized than Wonder Woman. Females everywhere still love her to death.

Are you saying Rhinna is just like Wonder Woman? I must have missed those scenes in Battleship. Perhaps you could lend me your Directors Cut/ Blu-Ray. Diana is supposed to be a Queen and a warrior. Give her some dignity and class, not hotpants.


Well, actually, Wonder Woman started out in a skirt. That led to... for lack of a better term, bicycle shorts. Some time in the 70s, the whole outfit became a one piece swimsuit.
 
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