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(Sports Illustrated)   Days after being knocked out during a game which resulted in him believing he was a teapot, RG3 says he's ready to get knocked out by Chad Greenway or Harrison Smith   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 45
    More: Stupid, Chad Greenway, Mike Shanahan, Atlanta, concussion, Redskins  
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2012-10-12 09:40:24 AM
I guess he wants his career to be as short as possible. It's the only way it would make sense for the Redskins. If he was actually good and stayed healthy and led the team for years, then they'd have made a competent decision to trade for him.
 
2012-10-12 09:52:03 AM
he believed he was teapot? what?
 
2012-10-12 11:00:48 AM
makes me think of the pro football mock fb page

sup guys

yeah im doing ok, coach says its just a mild concussion and i should be ready to play next week.

sup guys

yeah im doing ok, coach says its just a mild concussion and i should be ready to play next week.
 
2012-10-12 11:00:56 AM
blogs.discovermagazine.com
 
2012-10-12 11:25:58 AM

SlothB77: he believed he was teapot? what?


Well he was quoted as saying he was "short and stout" after the game dude.
 
2012-10-12 11:33:11 AM

IAmRight: I guess he wants his career to be as short as possible. It's the only way it would make sense for the Redskins. If he was actually good and stayed healthy and led the team for years, then they'd have made a competent decision to trade for him.


With the curse of Dan Snyder in play it seems likely enough.
 
2012-10-12 11:33:44 AM
Chad Greenway has an unfair advantage. He played football at the University of Iowa and graduated without getting arrested, which means he's a borderline superhero.
 
2012-10-12 11:38:14 AM
I thought it was pretty much league policy that players getting a concussion sat out the following week. Horray player safety!
 
2012-10-12 11:41:55 AM
I'm afraid the Jared Allen will be quite operational when your quarterback arrives.
 
2012-10-12 11:42:06 AM
RG3, the Brian Bostwick of this generation.
 
2012-10-12 11:42:41 AM

iron_city_ap: I thought it was pretty much league policy that players getting a concussion sat out the following week. Horray player safety!


But.. but... Shannahan!
 
2012-10-12 11:48:00 AM

VvonderJesus: I'm afraid the Jared Allen will be quite operational when your quarterback arrives.


ITS A TRAPSACK!
 
2012-10-12 11:57:38 AM
How silly of him to want to return against the oh so scary Vikings, right? He should only return on condition of playing some other team.

/you're an idiot, subby
//Vikings won't win their division
 
2012-10-12 11:58:45 AM

IAmRight: I guess he wants his career to be as short as possible. It's the only way it would make sense for the Redskins. If he was actually good and stayed healthy and led the team for years, then they'd have made a competent decision to trade for him.


"If he was good"? He is statistically one of the top 5 QBs in the league.
 
2012-10-12 11:59:12 AM
So if he gets three concussions can we call him Ouchie III?

/hey-ooo
 
2012-10-12 12:05:29 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: "If he was good"? He is statistically one of the top 5 QBs in the league.


Much like most of the internet, you need to learn to read a full sentence, rather than get offended by half of one.
 
2012-10-12 12:06:09 PM
Also, everyone thought Cam Newton was great after five weeks last year, too.
 
2012-10-12 12:07:14 PM

IAmRight: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: "If he was good"? He is statistically one of the top 5 QBs in the league.

Much like most of the internet, you need to learn to read a full sentence, rather than get offended by half of one.


Nah, your writing skills are just wretched.
 
2012-10-12 12:13:04 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Nah, your writing skills are just wretched.


"I can't be bothered to read a full sentence, therefore you're a terrible writer."

Do you understand the meaning of the word AND? In the sentence I used, it would indicate that, in order to be a good trade decision, Griffin would have to be BOTH good AND stay healthy for many years. If he fails one of those, then it was a terrible trade. Since he appeared to be good, it's clear he's going to get injured as quickly as possible, in order to fulfill the Dan Snyder karma (and apparently the dumbass Skins fans' karma).

But you decided to stop reading where you wanted to so you could be a b*tch. So keep on b*tchin'.
 
2012-10-12 12:17:59 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How silly of him to want to return against the oh so scary Vikings, right? He should only return on condition of playing some other team.

/you're an idiot, subby
//Vikings won't win their division


The Vikings pass rush isn't exactly full of bunnies and ducklings. They'll regress during the second half of the schedule, but Jared Allen and Co is one of the better lines in the league.
 
2012-10-12 12:38:57 PM

IAmRight: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: "If he was good"? He is statistically one of the top 5 QBs in the league.

Much like most of the internet, you need to learn to read a full sentence, rather than get offended by half of one.


Stumbled out of the gate a bit there.
 
2012-10-12 12:41:15 PM
Vikings might win their division. Ive seen weirder things happen.
 
2012-10-12 12:50:17 PM
Shannahanigans would never risk an excellent players health for a short term gain. Except the time Terrell Davis had a screaming migraine and couldn't see anything and he sent him back in the game as a decoy.
 
2012-10-12 01:37:13 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How silly of him to want to return against the oh so scary Vikings, right? He should only return on condition of playing some other team.

/you're an idiot, subby
//Vikings won't win their division


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2012-10-12 01:42:15 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How silly of him to want to return against the oh so scary Vikings, right? He should only return on condition of playing some other team.

/you're an idiot, subby
//Vikings won't win their division


Right. Because so far Leslie Fraizer led Vikings haven't won twice in DC and haven't been effective against other big name running QB's, like Vick and Newton.

Hey, past preformance is not indicative of future results. I get that. I think this game and Seattle are the 2 games where we maybe shouldn't be favored (till after the bye week anyway). That being said, we GET to the QB. Alot. Most in the league last year and top 10 this year.

Seems to me that alot of things point to the Vikings favor for this weekend.
 
2012-10-12 01:45:47 PM

IAmRight: I guess he wants his career to be as short as possible. It's the only way it would make sense for the Redskins. If he was actually good and stayed healthy and led the team for years, then they'd have made a competent decision to trade for him.


The problem is he'd have to stay out weeks to be even mildly protective of his current state. Despite what the NFL parrots, a concussion takes many months to recover from.

That's time Shani doesn't have.
 
2012-10-12 01:49:42 PM

digistil: The problem is he'd have to stay out weeks to be even mildly protective of his current state. Despite what the NFL parrots, a concussion takes many months to recover from.

That's time Shani doesn't have.


I mean, what happened to the NFL's rule about how you have to miss a week with a concussion?

/I do enjoy the fact that Shanahan has not once made the playoffs since benching Jake Plummer and saying something along the lines of "it's not about the playoffs, it's about winning Super Bowls."
//motherf*cker you have to make the playoffs before you can win a Super Bowl
 
2012-10-12 01:52:08 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: IAmRight: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: "If he was good"? He is statistically one of the top 5 QBs in the league.

Much like most of the internet, you need to learn to read a full sentence, rather than get offended by half of one.

Nah, your writing skills are just wretched.


That's your response? You fail to grasp IAR's quite clear thought and that's his fault?
 
2012-10-12 01:54:12 PM

IAmRight: I mean, what happened to the NFL's rule about how you have to miss a week with a concussion?


I wondered the same thing... I'm guessing it's not so much a rule as just clear common sense. Sort of like how ten fingers are an attribute one expects to find in the top receivers.
 
2012-10-12 01:54:29 PM

IAmRight: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Nah, your writing skills are just wretched.

"I can't be bothered to read a full sentence, therefore you're a terrible writer."

Do you understand the meaning of the word AND? In the sentence I used, it would indicate that, in order to be a good trade decision, Griffin would have to be BOTH good AND stay healthy for many years. If he fails one of those, then it was a terrible trade. Since he appeared to be good, it's clear he's going to get injured as quickly as possible, in order to fulfill the Dan Snyder karma (and apparently the dumbass Skins fans' karma).

But you decided to stop reading where you wanted to so you could be a b*tch. So keep on b*tchin'.


trying to explain symbolic logic on the sports tab to someone who is being willfully ignorant? well, i guess that's one way to go...
 
2012-10-12 01:55:48 PM

IAmRight: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Nah, your writing skills are just wretched.

"I can't be bothered to read a full sentence, therefore you're a terrible writer."

Do you understand the meaning of the word AND? In the sentence I used, it would indicate that, in order to be a good trade decision, Griffin would have to be BOTH good AND stay healthy for many years. If he fails one of those, then it was a terrible trade. Since he appeared to be good, it's clear he's going to get injured as quickly as possible, in order to fulfill the Dan Snyder karma (and apparently the dumbass Skins fans' karma).

But you decided to stop reading where you wanted to so you could be a b*tch. So keep on b*tchin'.


No, you see, that would be retarded of him to rip you one for his lack of attention, and he's clearly not retarded. This is all your fault.
 
2012-10-12 01:57:09 PM

mikaloyd: Vikings might win their division. Ive seen weirder things happen.


As much as I'd love it to happen, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't put much money on it.
 
2012-10-12 02:04:05 PM

digistil:
clear his fault


I am glad you understand.
 
2012-10-12 02:19:00 PM

digistil: IAmRight: I guess he wants his career to be as short as possible. It's the only way it would make sense for the Redskins. If he was actually good and stayed healthy and led the team for years, then they'd have made a competent decision to trade for him.

The problem is he'd have to stay out weeks to be even mildly protective of his current state. Despite what the NFL parrots, a concussion takes many months to recover from.

That's time Shani doesn't have.


In MMA, he'd be on an automatic 90-day (and probably longer) no-contact suspension, mandated by goverment agencies. Then he'd have to be cleared by a neurologist before resuming training. In the NFL, he's back to full participation within days.

And which sport is brutal?

/they both are
//but MMA far less so
 
2012-10-12 02:44:25 PM

IAmRight: I mean, what happened to the NFL's rule about how you have to miss a week with a concussion?


You mean the rule that doesn't actually exist?

There are tests that a player needs to pass before he's allowed back on the field for practice, then more tests after he practices before he's allowed to play in a game. This does not take more than a week if a player passes all of them (i.e. doesn't fail one of them).
 
2012-10-12 02:50:50 PM

tenton: You mean the rule that doesn't actually exist?


I wouldn't be shocked, but they did make a big deal about how that was going to be the case a year or so ago, as part of their pretending to give a sh*t about player health.
 
2012-10-12 02:58:09 PM
Sure are a lot of neurologists on Fark today.
 
2012-10-12 03:01:26 PM

tenton: IAmRight: I mean, what happened to the NFL's rule about how you have to miss a week with a concussion?

You mean the rule that doesn't actually exist?

There are tests that a player needs to pass before he's allowed back on the field for practice, then more tests after he practices before he's allowed to play in a game. This does not take more than a week if a player passes all of them (i.e. doesn't fail one of them).


So you're telling me...

1. It's possible to recover from a concussion in one week, and...
2. Players aren't encouraged to bomb their concussion exam while uninjured so that they can pass it when they are injured.
 
2012-10-12 03:03:07 PM

digistil: tenton: IAmRight: I mean, what happened to the NFL's rule about how you have to miss a week with a concussion?

You mean the rule that doesn't actually exist?

There are tests that a player needs to pass before he's allowed back on the field for practice, then more tests after he practices before he's allowed to play in a game. This does not take more than a week if a player passes all of them (i.e. doesn't fail one of them).

So you're telling me...

1. It's possible to recover from a concussion in one week, and...
2. Players aren't encouraged to bomb their concussion exam while uninjured so that they can pass it when they are injured.


Forgot to add... I can get you a gig with Siemens, GE or Medtronic if you know of a way to recover from a concussion in a matter of a week or two. You'll make seven figures, at least.
 
2012-10-12 03:08:50 PM

digistil: tenton: IAmRight: I mean, what happened to the NFL's rule about how you have to miss a week with a concussion?

You mean the rule that doesn't actually exist?

There are tests that a player needs to pass before he's allowed back on the field for practice, then more tests after he practices before he's allowed to play in a game. This does not take more than a week if a player passes all of them (i.e. doesn't fail one of them).

So you're telling me...

1. It's possible to recover from a concussion in one week, and...
2. Players aren't encouraged to bomb their concussion exam while uninjured so that they can pass it when they are injured.


1. You're assuming the policy is based on a full recovery of the concussion.*
2. Of course players tank their baseline tests on purpose.

and that wasn't my point anyways; my point is there's no "concussion = 1 week vacation". That's never been the policy.

*I don't think anyone knows enough about concussions to even be able to make an assessment of when someone would "recover" from a concussion. Depending on one's definition of "recover", the answer could be "maybe never"
 
2012-10-12 03:36:59 PM

tenton: *I don't think anyone knows enough about concussions to even be able to make an assessment of when someone would "recover" from a concussion. Depending on one's definition of "recover", the answer could be "maybe never"


NotSureIfSerious.jpg

From what I understand the danger is that a concussed brain will be jarred.

Imagine a bubble resting centrally in a CSF/liquid, which is contained in an accordian-walled capsule. Normally, there are a few millimeters of CSF/liquid to buffer any impact the bubble may incur. The problem after a concussion (again, from what I understand) is that the millimeters of clearance changes to micrometers. The result of a second concussion is like rubbing a piece of cream cheese along cheese grater, thanks to the lack of clearance.

So, it seems to me that it would be quite simple to quantify the recovery of a concussion. One would simply need to obtain a T1 of said subject (using a reasonable resolution) to determine current clearance.
 
2012-10-12 04:45:14 PM
My sister hit her head on the basketball court a week ago and had on and off headaches the next few days. I was more than a little upset with my mom when she hadn't brought her in for a concussion test yet.
 
2012-10-12 06:06:22 PM

digistil: tenton: *I don't think anyone knows enough about concussions to even be able to make an assessment of when someone would "recover" from a concussion. Depending on one's definition of "recover", the answer could be "maybe never"

NotSureIfSerious.jpg

From what I understand the danger is that a concussed brain will be jarred.

Imagine a bubble resting centrally in a CSF/liquid, which is contained in an accordian-walled capsule. Normally, there are a few millimeters of CSF/liquid to buffer any impact the bubble may incur. The problem after a concussion (again, from what I understand) is that the millimeters of clearance changes to micrometers. The result of a second concussion is like rubbing a piece of cream cheese along cheese grater, thanks to the lack of clearance.

So, it seems to me that it would be quite simple to quantify the recovery of a concussion. One would simply need to obtain a T1 of said subject (using a reasonable resolution) to determine current clearance.


The thing is, we don't know what kind of effects of concussions have on the brain. What is the safety margin between concussions? How does this change with the severity of the concussion? We understand so little about the brain, no one really knows what effect a concussion can have, let alone when it's "safe" to get back on the field. Your brain might never be the same after a concussion, even though the physics of the brain might return to back where it was before (even though that's not, AFAIK, a part of the testing process in the first place; it's mostly cognitive testing and "are you getting any headaches/sensitive to light/etc.").
 
2012-10-13 02:38:48 AM

VvonderJesus: My sister hit her head on the basketball court a week ago and had on and off headaches the next few days. I was more than a little upset with my mom when she hadn't brought her in for a concussion test yet.


Why? If she didn't get seen immediately, there's no point. Even then they may not do the one thing that might be nice, having some images taken to make sure there isn't a skull fracture or a hematoma forming. You can pretty much diagnose concussions yourself. Ask yourself, "Do I feel normal? Do my eyes focus? Do I know what just happened? Do I know what the fark I'm doing?" If some of those come up "No." or "Not sure", go sit down and have someone drive you home. If the chance is high that you've got one, make sure someone kicks you awake every couple of hours if you go to sleep for the next 24 hours, just to be sure it isn't actually a coma. After that, you're just waiting around for the cobwebs to clear, and the only thing to be really concerned about is injuring yourself yet again. Well, that and how much greater your odds became of getting lost in your own driveway at age 75, but there's really not a damned thing they can do about any of that medically.
 
2012-10-13 11:25:12 AM

farkingismybusiness: Sure are a lot of neurologists on Fark today.


I've spent huge amounts of time in the UVA neurosurgery department over the past decade and had this exact conversation with a bunch of the world's elite over that time. Football and combat sports are protracted suicide, and stuff like this is a big part of why.
 
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