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2012-10-12 12:06:25 PM
you'reyour
 
2012-10-12 12:10:21 PM

dustygrimp: Good trolling.

9/10. You got too angry too soon.


Who's angry? Does using profanities indicate anger, or just a foul-mouthed person?

0/10 for being a wizard sleeve vs. an actual wizard.
 
2012-10-12 12:12:26 PM

ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.


Your tribe conquered people and sold them into slavery (Helping the whites). I'm not sure where you feel you have the upper hand historically.
 
2012-10-12 12:16:18 PM

Mr. Right: Lunaville: Your post is logical and makes sense. Your proposition would work until you reach a geographical region where it is culturally unacceptable to hire minorities unless you are forced by government to do so. Then the issue becomes more problematic. Even in our modern world, you might be surprised how many such places still exist.

You are correct that some geographical regions exist where minority hiring isn't going to happen. My solution would be that the minorities should move to where enlightened employers will hire them. I know that's an inconvenience for the minorities but the end result would be that an entire geographical region would suffer. Or, if only a couple employers in those regions not prone to hiring minorities would actually go ahead and hire them, their success would overcome a lot of bigotry. I know more than one bigot who was overcome by greed - in other words, he saw the opportunity that existed by hiring a minority and the fact that he could make money. That goes a long way towards overcoming bigotry and a lot faster than any government mandate.

Look at professional sports. The teams that were willing to hire minorities and utilize them were more successful than the bigots. And suddenly bigotry wasn't profitable. Not a whole lot of bigots in professional sports - they cost owners profits.


I'll just leave this quote here:

From an anonymous Asst GM. "If Meyers Leonard were black, he'd be the #2 pick"
 
2012-10-12 12:16:38 PM

ChuDogg: JesusJuice: ChuDogg: TimonC346: Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

Source: NPR

I'm sure that's probably true--the problem is the alternative--which is zero representation of anyone but European or Asian descent at any high end American schools. Which then throws in our face AND highlights institutionalized racism all at the same time.

Considering where these kids are starting from, Affirmative Action is sort of like a necessary evil. It is inherently unfair to make up for the societal unfairness of simply being born a different color. I'm not sure if that bodes well for it being constitutional, but I certainly support it.

Asian people cannot be racist because they are not institutionalized. Traditionally racism is something that has been exlusively the domain of the white male power structure. To undo centuries of oppression, slavery and rape affirmitive action is needed to place white males below women and people of color. Centuries of oppression are not reversed in a few years, thus affirmitive action is needed until whites in power represent their true numbers on this black planet (a tiny minority).

Asians only achieve status due to the "model minority" stigma. The whites say jump and they say "how high" look good little worker bees in this hyper capitalist dystopia. I don't feel the need to apologize that blacks and browns have taken an alternate path and decide to take what is owed to us.

Nobody owes you shiat. If your ancestors hadn't been enslaved, you'd be squatting in the mud in some filthy African shiathole with a distended stomach and blowflies crawling on you. It was white people who saved you from Africa, white people who freed you, and white people who send you your welfare checks. Show some gratitude.

Lol. Finally the hoods come off.

Step up your game. Blacks are ...


You are one racist piece of shiat.
 
2012-10-12 12:16:41 PM

bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian


Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.
 
2012-10-12 12:18:37 PM
MycroftHolmes
Dear Jerk: Studies have shown that minorities who got through college on affirmative action do just as well in their careers as other graduates from the same schools. That points out the fact that America is all about opportunity. I'd be willing to get rid of affirmative action if we could also get rid of nepotism and cronyism, which are exponentially more of a problem. In fact, affirmative action was created a slight remedy to nepotism and cronyism. If you're a mediocre white kid who didn't get admitted to the college of your choice, you can fight for real justice, or you can be practical and network better. You have that opportunity.

/ I got suckered in by Shelby Steele's 'Content of Their Character' when it came out. Until I realized that it assumes a level playing field. The level playing field is a given in conservative logic.

This is spot on. The whole idea of judging people based on their merit should only be applied to affirmative action if it can be equally applied to all other candidates as well. And since so much is based on interviews and rapport, and people naturally form rapport with people who are similar to them, it iwill be almost impossible to ever have a system that is entirely merit based.

Affirmative action may be a clumsy tool that can result in some negative consequence, but the need for some corrective mechanism to counteract institutional bias is undeniable, if the goal is an integrated, classless society of equal opportunity.
Amen Mr. marx, Amen
 
2012-10-12 12:25:57 PM

ChuDogg: bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian

Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.


THAT'S RIGHT BROTHA-MAN!

REALITY HAS A RACIST BIAS AGAINST NON WHITES AND NON ASIANS!

George Washington - Black, Gengis Khan - Black, Abraham Lincoln - Black

But you'd never know this if we let racist-add biologists and scientists do their racist-ass "tests" and "experiments".
 
2012-10-12 12:33:11 PM
Affirmative Action in a nutshell:

- Are you qualified?
Nope.
- Made good grades?
Nope.
- Are you a hard worker??
Nope.
- Are you an honest person?
Nope.
- Are you black?
Yep.

Good enough!!! Welcome aboard!
 
2012-10-12 12:38:11 PM

super_grass: ChuDogg: bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian

Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.

THAT'S RIGHT BROTHA-MAN!

REALITY HAS A RACIST BIAS AGAINST NON WHITES AND NON ASIANS!

George Washington - Black, Gengis Khan - Black, Abraham Lincoln - Black

But you'd never know this if we let racist-add biologists and scientists do their racist-ass "tests" and "experiments".


Your not too far off. Modern feminist critical theory suggests that the scientific method, long argued to be entirely neutral and subjective. In fact, its merely a product of our standpoint and subject to the same biases and bigotry of the observor. Since modern science is practically dominated by the white male patriarchy it becomes a tool of oppression toward women and non white minorities.

This is the current consensus amongst academia, and yet another reason affirmitive action is needed. Until whites in positions of power are reduced to their porportionate levels of the global population (about 8%) we will always be plagued by white supremacy.

Lookup standpoint theory or anything by Tim Wise for more info on that.
 
2012-10-12 12:45:00 PM
ChuDogg

Do you realize people like you are the primary reason for rascism today? You have caused a backlash against minorities with your attempts at white guilt. You can scream and biatch and moan all you want about how I, a 26 year old white male whos voting block put the first minority into the oval office, owe you, a person who is distantly related to people who were discriminated against, something. fark you for holding minorities back
 
2012-10-12 12:46:10 PM

ChuDogg: super_grass: ChuDogg: bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian

Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.

THAT'S RIGHT BROTHA-MAN!

REALITY HAS A RACIST BIAS AGAINST NON WHITES AND NON ASIANS!

George Washington - Black, Gengis Khan - Black, Abraham Lincoln - Black

But you'd never know this if we let racist-add biologists and scientists do their racist-ass "tests" and "experiments".

Your not too far off. Modern feminis ...


cant tell if you are trolling or just a racist asshat.... but im leaning tward racist asshat
 
2012-10-12 12:58:15 PM

Gdalescrboz: ChuDogg

Do you realize people like you are the primary reason for rascism today? You have caused a backlash against minorities with your attempts at white guilt. You can scream and biatch and moan all you want about how I, a 26 year old white male whos voting block put the first minority into the oval office, owe you, a person who is distantly related to people who were discriminated against, something. fark you for holding minorities back


Lol @ at this argument again "I'm only racist because people like you made me racist!". I know its so tough being white and being reminded of your privelege every now and then.

I've only argued that in an egalitarian society white males would make up positions of power that reflect their porportion of the people around the globe. How could anybody but a racist disagree with that?
 
2012-10-12 01:00:53 PM

Joe Blowme: ChuDogg: super_grass: ChuDogg: bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian

Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.

THAT'S RIGHT BROTHA-MAN!

REALITY HAS A RACIST BIAS AGAINST NON WHITES AND NON ASIANS!

George Washington - Black, Gengis Khan - Black, Abraham Lincoln - Black

But you'd never know this if we let racist-add biologists and scientists do their racist-ass "tests" and "experiments".

Your not too far off. Modern feminis ...

cant tell if you are trolling or just a racist asshat.... but im leaning tward racist asshat


It's 2012 is it really too much to ask people to Google something for themself?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standpoint_theory

This is the current scientific consensus. Please educate yourself.
 
2012-10-12 01:00:57 PM
This thread should be deleted now.
 
2012-10-12 01:05:47 PM
ChuDogg:

Theory.. how does it work?

Axiom... how does it work?

Racist asshat.... ChuDogg is how it works.
 
2012-10-12 01:12:50 PM
víctimas theory
Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America
Author?
www.ommster.com
Looks like a racist

consensus does not equal axiom. See Flat Earth
 
2012-10-12 01:14:45 PM

ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.


Don't like white people? How about you drag your black ass back ti Africa. You won't be missed.
 
2012-10-12 01:15:57 PM
ChuDogg
Gdalescrboz: ChuDogg

Do you realize people like you are the primary reason for rascism today? You have caused a backlash against minorities with your attempts at white guilt. You can scream and biatch and moan all you want about how I, a 26 year old white male whos voting block put the first minority into the oval office, owe you, a person who is distantly related to people who were discriminated against, something. fark you for holding minorities back

Lol @ at this argument again "I'm only racist because people like you made me racist!". I know its so tough being white and being reminded of your privelege every now and then.

I've only argued that in an egalitarian society white males would make up positions of power that reflect their porportion of the people around the globe. How could anybody but a racist disagree with that?


Im not rascist because someone else made me rascist. Im rascist because minorities in the country are useless unless they are given handouts from white people, as Aa proves. Indians got their ass kicked by a superior race. Black people sold their fellow Africans to the white man and are killing each other in the streets in mass . And Mexicans, well have you lived near a mass of Mexicans? I should apologize for being better than you? You should apologize to me for having to put up with you
 
2012-10-12 01:18:30 PM

bhcompy: Bontesla: bhcompy: ha-ha-guy: Affirmative action is just a band aid for the real issue, how public schools are funded. It's basically "Sorry you grew up in an impoverished area with no funding for the school and as such had almost no hope of scoring decently on the ACT/SAT. Here have some bonus points on an application to a college you'll most likely fail out of, we're cool now right?".

Fix the root of the problem, don't just toss students 4 years at a better school to make up for K-12 neglect.

California doesn't fund in such a manner, yet it produces the same results(poor urban districts actually get more money per student than more affluent suburbs in general, and way more than middle class suburbs). So don't give me that bullshiat. The problem isn't the schools, it's the people, it's the culture, it's the acceptance of anything but success. Asian dad meme is a stereotype based in fact, but Asian dad meme doesn't have to be an Asian dad, it can be any dad, and that will generate success.

A well resourced school doesn't remove systematic and institutional bias. Why would you think it would?

What bias would that be? Whites are a minority of faculty at LAUSD schools.


Numerical minority isn't the same thing as having a minority status.

Why would you assume that bias must be driven by white instructors?
 
2012-10-12 01:19:35 PM

super_grass: Bontesla: bhcompy: ha-ha-guy: Affirmative action is just a band aid for the real issue, how public schools are funded. It's basically "Sorry you grew up in an impoverished area with no funding for the school and as such had almost no hope of scoring decently on the ACT/SAT. Here have some bonus points on an application to a college you'll most likely fail out of, we're cool now right?".

Fix the root of the problem, don't just toss students 4 years at a better school to make up for K-12 neglect.

California doesn't fund in such a manner, yet it produces the same results(poor urban districts actually get more money per student than more affluent suburbs in general, and way more than middle class suburbs). So don't give me that bullshiat. The problem isn't the schools, it's the people, it's the culture, it's the acceptance of anything but success. Asian dad meme is a stereotype based in fact, but Asian dad meme doesn't have to be an Asian dad, it can be any dad, and that will generate success.

A well resourced school doesn't remove systematic and institutional bias. Why would you think it would?

It's institutionalized bias in favor of poor, black schools.

Sooner or later you're going to have to admit that if you want to help poor minorities, then they need to meet you half way and participate in the academic process.


You're clearly not a poor black student.

/minorities do NOT have an easier time
 
2012-10-12 01:22:36 PM

ChuDogg: super_grass: ChuDogg: bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian

Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.

THAT'S RIGHT BROTHA-MAN!

REALITY HAS A RACIST BIAS AGAINST NON WHITES AND NON ASIANS!

George Washington - Black, Gengis Khan - Black, Abraham Lincoln - Black

But you'd never know this if we let racist-add biologists and scientists do their racist-ass "tests" and "experiments".

Your not too far off. Modern feminist critical theory suggests that the scientific method, long argued to be entirely neutral and subjective. In fact, its merely a product of our standpoint and subject to the same biases and bigotry of the observor. Since modern science is practically dominated by the white male patriarchy it becomes a tool of oppression toward women and non white minorities.

This is the current consensus amongst academia, and yet another reason affirmitive action is needed. Until whites in positions of power are reduced to their porportionate levels of the global population (about 8%) we will always be plagued by white supremacy.

Lookup standpoint theory or anything by Tim Wise for more info on that.


I love how feminists attach "theory to their bullshiat". It gives their nonsense an air of legitemacy. Never mind that they don't practice anything like actual science.
 
2012-10-12 01:24:47 PM
Quotes should have been around "theory"
 
2012-10-12 01:24:55 PM
Affirmative action is clearly a terrible system because this one black dude I knew was against it.
 
2012-10-12 01:25:35 PM

Joe Blowme: víctimas theory
Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America
Author?

Looks like a racist

consensus does not equal axiom. See Flat Earth


I just said its the consensus in academia, that's not insignificant. Knee jerk reactionaries aren't going to change that.
 
2012-10-12 01:40:26 PM

Bontesla: bhcompy: Bontesla: bhcompy: ha-ha-guy: Affirmative action is just a band aid for the real issue, how public schools are funded. It's basically "Sorry you grew up in an impoverished area with no funding for the school and as such had almost no hope of scoring decently on the ACT/SAT. Here have some bonus points on an application to a college you'll most likely fail out of, we're cool now right?".

Fix the root of the problem, don't just toss students 4 years at a better school to make up for K-12 neglect.

California doesn't fund in such a manner, yet it produces the same results(poor urban districts actually get more money per student than more affluent suburbs in general, and way more than middle class suburbs). So don't give me that bullshiat. The problem isn't the schools, it's the people, it's the culture, it's the acceptance of anything but success. Asian dad meme is a stereotype based in fact, but Asian dad meme doesn't have to be an Asian dad, it can be any dad, and that will generate success.

A well resourced school doesn't remove systematic and institutional bias. Why would you think it would?

What bias would that be? Whites are a minority of faculty at LAUSD schools.

Numerical minority isn't the same thing as having a minority status.

Why would you assume that bias must be driven by white instructors?


Minority is minority.

Regardless, answer the question if it's something else.
 
2012-10-12 01:56:27 PM

TimonC346: Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

Source: NPR

I'm sure that's probably true--the problem is the alternative--which is zero representation of anyone but European or Asian descent at any high end American schools. Which then throws in our face AND highlights institutionalized racism all at the same time.

Considering where these kids are starting from, Affirmative Action is sort of like a necessary evil. It is inherently unfair to make up for the societal unfairness of simply being born a different color. I'm not sure if that bodes well for it being constitutional, but I certainly support it.


So it is your RACIST view that people of color are just not capable of competing academically.

Who is the racist here?
 
2012-10-12 01:59:11 PM

ChuDogg: super_grass: ChuDogg: bhcompy: ChuDogg: kaduh: ChuDogg: Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

Shut up, Honkey.

Im Cherokee, though I probably pass for black to some of you white folks. Not like that helps any.

That's a lot of derp from someone who's a white man.

/yes, you're DNA says you're caucasian

Implying DNA proves race. I see racist psuedo science has come a long way since phrenology.

THAT'S RIGHT BROTHA-MAN!

REALITY HAS A RACIST BIAS AGAINST NON WHITES AND NON ASIANS!

George Washington - Black, Gengis Khan - Black, Abraham Lincoln - Black

But you'd never know this if we let racist-add biologists and scientists do their racist-ass "tests" and "experiments".

Your not too far off. Modern f ...

 
2012-10-12 02:02:37 PM

taurusowner: Or....we could just judge people not be the color of their skin but by the content of their charter, or in this case, mind.


Yeah, well I'm old enough to remember when schools weren't integrated. And I've sat in on racist discussions by my fellow honky crackers within the last week where they opined that the REAL problem America faces is that white males don't hold all positions of power.

We should give some brothers a break. Really.

/Very hard to keep some of my old friends as friends.
 
2012-10-12 02:04:38 PM

bhcompy: Bontesla: bhcompy: Bontesla: bhcompy: ha-ha-guy: Affirmative action is just a band aid for the real issue, how public schools are funded. It's basically "Sorry you grew up in an impoverished area with no funding for the school and as such had almost no hope of scoring decently on the ACT/SAT. Here have some bonus points on an application to a college you'll most likely fail out of, we're cool now right?".

Fix the root of the problem, don't just toss students 4 years at a better school to make up for K-12 neglect.

California doesn't fund in such a manner, yet it produces the same results(poor urban districts actually get more money per student than more affluent suburbs in general, and way more than middle class suburbs). So don't give me that bullshiat. The problem isn't the schools, it's the people, it's the culture, it's the acceptance of anything but success. Asian dad meme is a stereotype based in fact, but Asian dad meme doesn't have to be an Asian dad, it can be any dad, and that will generate success.

A well resourced school doesn't remove systematic and institutional bias. Why would you think it would?

What bias would that be? Whites are a minority of faculty at LAUSD schools.

Numerical minority isn't the same thing as having a minority status.

Why would you assume that bias must be driven by white instructors?

Minority is minority.

Regardless, answer the question if it's something else.


It's not the same. You're being daft. Or you're simply an idiot.
Answered this question upthread. Ctrl+F Bontesla.
 
2012-10-12 02:40:49 PM

ghare: taurusowner: Or....we could just judge people not be the color of their skin but by the content of their charter, or in this case, mind.

Yeah, well I'm old enough to remember when schools weren't integrated. And I've sat in on racist discussions by my fellow honky crackers within the last week where they opined that the REAL problem America faces is that white males don't hold all positions of power.

We should give some brothers a break. Really.

/Very hard to keep some of my old friends as friends.


racists come in all colors
 
2012-10-12 03:26:15 PM

ChuDogg: Joe Blowme: víctimas theory
Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America
Author?

Looks like a racist

consensus does not equal axiom. See Flat Earth

I just said its the consensus in feminist and ethnic studies academia, that's not so it's completely insignificant. Knee jerk reactionaries Their minds are completely closed, so facts aren't going to change that.

 
2012-10-12 03:57:29 PM

Silly Jesus: Here's a thought. Life isn't fair and we can never artificially make it that way. Some people are born losers, some people are born winners. This is how it has always been and how it will always be despite the "best" efforts of bleeding hearts and self congratulating do-gooders.


You sound like you like tea.

You know how you get over being born a loser? Have a rich daddy. George W. Bush is walking, breathing proof of this, as are so many other successful bozos who couldn't pour piss out of boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
 
2012-10-12 03:58:32 PM
Hey entrepreneurial oppressed butthurt peckerwoods, figure out a way to make money off of butthurt. This thread is a gold mine.
 
2012-10-12 04:49:02 PM

Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.


True that I have a friend who went through something like that as a Legacy Admission he flunked out his first year and had to take a year off where he smoked a bunch of pot and did remedial study.

Hint: In private schools legacy admissions are around 10% of the student body. While affirmative action and disadvantaged admits are 5%.
 
2012-10-12 06:05:57 PM

ChuDogg: Gdalescrboz: ChuDogg

Do you realize people like you are the primary reason for rascism today? You have caused a backlash against minorities with your attempts at white guilt. You can scream and biatch and moan all you want about how I, a 26 year old white male whos voting block put the first minority into the oval office, owe you, a person who is distantly related to people who were discriminated against, something. fark you for holding minorities back

Lol @ at this argument again "I'm only racist because people like you made me racist!". I know its so tough being white and being reminded of your privelege every now and then.

I've only argued that in an egalitarian society white males would make up positions of power that reflect their porportion of the people around the globe. How could anybody but a racist disagree with that?



I don't understand your rationale for claiming that the worldwide proportion of a particular race should determine what percentage of the positions of power members of that race should fill in a particular country. 56% of the world is Asian - does that mean that 56% of Sweden's Parliament and Cabinet ministers should be Asian?
 
2012-10-12 08:34:27 PM

ScottRiqui: ChuDogg: Gdalescrboz: ChuDogg

Do you realize people like you are the primary reason for rascism today? You have caused a backlash against minorities with your attempts at white guilt. You can scream and biatch and moan all you want about how I, a 26 year old white male whos voting block put the first minority into the oval office, owe you, a person who is distantly related to people who were discriminated against, something. fark you for holding minorities back

Lol @ at this argument again "I'm only racist because people like you made me racist!". I know its so tough being white and being reminded of your privelege every now and then.

I've only argued that in an egalitarian society white males would make up positions of power that reflect their porportion of the people around the globe. How could anybody but a racist disagree with that?


I don't understand your rationale for claiming that the worldwide proportion of a particular race should determine what percentage of the positions of power members of that race should fill in a particular country. 56% of the world is Asian - does that mean that 56% of Sweden's Parliament and Cabinet ministers should be Asian?


He's saying Asians don't have their own governmental systems therefore they must be represented across the world.
 
2012-10-12 08:54:56 PM
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i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-12 11:42:24 PM
meyerkev /Also, are they hiring? I'm graduating this December, and am still looking for a job (though I got cold-called by a recruiter while I was finishing this sentence. Lulz).

His company is SAIC and they're pretty much always hiring. They got some bad press recently but overall it's a good company. At any company, it also depends on the people you're working with on your project.

There are a lot of programming jobs with defense contractors (or so-called Beltway Bandits) in Northern Virginia and they're always hiring. It's the same with the large consulting companies like Booz Allen. It's a relatively expensive area to live, but there are lots of opportunities and it's pretty easy for technical people to get jobs.

Most jobs with defense contractors require a security clearance, the level depends on the project. You can't apply for a clearance until you have the job (yeah, I know, Catch 22, tell it to the FBI). So if there's anything in your background that would hold up a security clearance, take care of it.

Put your resume on Monster and recruiters will start calling. Usually you work for the recruiting company for six months and then you're hired by the company.

Good luck.
 
2012-10-12 11:52:10 PM
I know a girl that didn't get into Princeton because of affirmative action. She's white. It was given to a black girl. It worked out since The University of Chicago covered her entire tuition plus gave her $5K a semester to join their college. It still isn't right to not get into a college just because of the non-color of her skin. Affirmative action is evil.
 
2012-10-13 09:50:30 AM

JackieRabbit: Silly Jesus: Here's a thought. Life isn't fair and we can never artificially make it that way. Some people are born losers, some people are born winners. This is how it has always been and how it will always be despite the "best" efforts of bleeding hearts and self congratulating do-gooders.

You sound like you like tea.

You know how you get over being born a loser? Have a rich daddy. George W. Bush is walking, breathing proof of this, as are so many other successful bozos who couldn't pour piss out of boot if the instructions were written on the heel.


Yes, because this is the only way to improve your lot in life.

/You sound like you like Karl
 
2012-10-13 09:51:11 AM

gibbon1: Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

True that I have a friend who went through something like that as a Legacy Admission he flunked out his first year and had to take a year off where he smoked a bunch of pot and did remedial study.

Hint: In private schools legacy admissions are around 10% of the student body. While affirmative action and disadvantaged admits are 5%.


And?
 
2012-10-13 12:22:02 PM

Silly Jesus: JackieRabbit: Silly Jesus: Here's a thought. Life isn't fair and we can never artificially make it that way. Some people are born losers, some people are born winners. This is how it has always been and how it will always be despite the "best" efforts of bleeding hearts and self congratulating do-gooders.

You sound like you like tea.

You know how you get over being born a loser? Have a rich daddy. George W. Bush is walking, breathing proof of this, as are so many other successful bozos who couldn't pour piss out of boot if the instructions were written on the heel.

Yes, because this is the only way to improve your lot in life.

/You sound like you like Karl


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-13 07:29:40 PM

Rodrigo Hernandez: While I agree with the idea of promoting education and opportunities for minorities, it would be better for all disadvantaged people, no matter their race, to get some sort of preference instead of basing it on race. Poor people, whether white, black, hispanic, or indians, are disadvantaged more greatly than an upper-middle class minority.


Yet if you took a poor white person and a poor black person, coached them equally on what to say and what to do in an interview, put them in identical suits and ties with identical resumes (except for their names, Bob and Akeem) and sent them off to apply for the same jobs, which do you think would be more likely to get that job... or even be called in for the interview?

Don't bother to answer, here's some info from an ongoing court case: Link

It has only been within my lifetime that black people have been able to vote without the danger of being lynched, drink from any water fountain they liked, shop anywhere they wished, go to any movie theater they wanted to, buy a house in any neighborhood they could afford, and sit anywhere on the bus there was an open seat, and I'm not that old. Plenty of people around, including my father, who remember and have experience with the time before. It is why he packed up his two infant sons and his 4 months pregnant wife and moved from North Carolina to Pennsylvania. I experienced some of it myself as a child, and I remember.
It's not as if discrimination by white people against minorities simply vanished in the 60s and 70s, never to return. It is still here, now, in forms both subtle and gross, conscious and subconscious.

Being poor puts you at a disadvantage in America, there's no doubt of that. But would the poor white want to change places with his financially-challenged black neighbor? Even more doubtful. Black people have had that added disadvantage since they were brought over as slaves, as chattel, with no more value than livestock, for hundreds of years and then treated like non-persons for over 100 years after slavery was officially ended.

A little bit of help for only one generation will never undo the damage that this and the subsequent denial of rights, of opportunity, and of personhood has done and continues to do to an entire group of people, but it is better than nothing. 

As for this supreme court case... no, academic achievement cannot and should not be the only factor in college admission. If I were to choose between two people, one who had the better schools in the wealthier part of town, whose parents were able to afford cello lessons, and who grew up with all the advantage that being a non-minority entails, versus the kid who had none of that and was knocked further down the socioeconomic ladder because they were a minority... I choose the kid who didn't get the breaks every time.

Why? Because I regard a person who earns 3.5 GPA from a neighborhood school which might be on lockdown once or twice a month due to a gang shooting much more highly than a person who earns a 4.0 from a school where a student's biggest problem might be whether to match the color of their prom dress to the car daddy bought them for their 16th birthday.

And here's some interesting info abut the plaintiff in this case, Abigail Fisher.
In blaming affirmative action for that denial letter, you have failed to mention that you graduated number 82 in a class of 674 with a 3.59 grade point average on a 4.0 scale, which alienated you from the automatic admissions bunch. You conveniently omit that you scored an 1180 on your SAT, which is way below UT's average, so that automatically diminished your chances of being accepted.
"Even if Abigail Fisher had received a perfect Personal Achievement Index score she would not have been admitted ... because her Academic Index was simply not high enough. Fisher would not have been admitted, no matter what her race."


Sounds to me like a spoiled brat who didn't get what she wanted, not someone who had actually been wronged by this institution
 
2012-10-13 08:52:27 PM

legion_of_doo: I was on the hiring council at a major technology company, looking for qualified software people.

we made damn sure we were hiring a diverse staff, and we farking scoured the applicant pool to make sure our bases were all covered... blacks, women, native American, people with disabilities, etc.

I don't doubt there is some idiosyncratic racism out there, but it doesn't happen in the big firms because we don't need to waste legal teams on retarded bull shiat.



And there is the question.

Did your company "scour the applicant pool" because they actually wanted a diverse workforce, or did they look for minorities in an effort to avoid potential lawsuits?
In other words, if minorities are to be hired, why not just do it on your own initiative without the threat of a lawsuit? Is it really that difficult to do?
 
2012-10-15 08:13:00 AM

rewind2846: no, academic achievement cannot and should not be the only factor in college admission. If I were to choose between two people, one who had the better schools in the wealthier part of town, whose parents were able to afford cello lessons, and who grew up with all the advantage that being a non-minority entails, versus the kid who had none of that and was knocked further down the socioeconomic ladder because they were a minority... I choose the kid who didn't get the breaks every time.

Why? Because I regard a person who earns 3.5 GPA from a neighborhood school which might be on lockdown once or twice a month due to a gang shooting much more highly than a person who earns a 4.0 from a school where a student's biggest problem might be whether to match the color of their prom dress to the car daddy bought them for their 16th birthday


You aren't dumb enough to believe all white kids live in the cello lesson world you describe and that all black kids go to crime ridden schools, so why support a program that only makes sense if that is the case?
 
2012-10-15 10:42:26 AM

liam76: You aren't dumb enough to believe all white kids live in the cello lesson world you describe and that all black kids go to crime ridden schools, so why support a program that only makes sense if that is the case?


Is that the way the process works at UT?

Why would you think so, when the facts are readily available?

If not, why bring it up? It's not relevant to the case being discussed.
 
2012-10-15 02:57:11 PM

Deucednuisance: liam76: You aren't dumb enough to believe all white kids live in the cello lesson world you describe and that all black kids go to crime ridden schools, so why support a program that only makes sense if that is the case?

Is that the way the process works at UT?


If you are giving preference based on race then they are acting on that assumption if they think their system is fair.


If not, why bring it up? It's not relevant to the case being discussed.

Maybe you should take that up with the person who brought up that argument in support of AA?
 
2012-10-15 03:43:48 PM

liam76: If you are giving preference based on race then they are acting on that assumption if they think their system is fair.


Look, if you can't be arsed to actually find out what the policy you argue against so vociferously against actually is, why don't you just say so?
 
2012-10-15 08:02:14 PM

Deucednuisance: liam76: If you are giving preference based on race then they are acting on that assumption if they think their system is fair.

Look, if you can't be arsed to actually find out what the policy you argue against so vociferously against actually is, why don't you just say so?


Unless you are going to prove that I (and the article) am wrong about it being a policy that gives preference based then what I am arguing is correct.
 
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