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2012-10-12 04:53:48 AM
I'll start taking a contraceptive pill when my wife starts investigating strange noises she hears in the middle of the night.

So basically, never.
 
2012-10-12 05:27:53 AM
Can women?

Humans are about as reliable as cats.
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2012-10-12 06:49:04 AM
Short Answer: yes
 
2012-10-12 07:12:19 AM
Yeah I woulda been all over that thing back in the day.
 
2012-10-12 07:13:54 AM
Some of them.
 
2012-10-12 07:43:38 AM
I have to think this would be very high on the list of things men could be trusted to do.
 
2012-10-12 07:45:33 AM

doglover: Can women?

Humans are about as reliable as cats.


My cat is very reliable. She doesn't do what I want her to, but I can rely on her to act like a cat.

At least she's reliable about using the litter box.
 
2012-10-12 07:49:14 AM
I like how the lists of things men "forget" are all things they just don't want to do.

I don't want a kid, I would not forget.
 
2012-10-12 07:52:05 AM
I can set my cell phone alarm to remind me at the same time everyday. I can remember to carry my wallet everywhere I go. I can do anything I set my mind to.
Maybe your boyfriend can't be trusted for shiat, but he isn't me.
 
2012-10-12 07:54:03 AM
Neither can women. You're a complete farking idiot if you don't take your own steps to ensure your farkbuddy doesn't spit out a little half-you.
 
2012-10-12 07:58:10 AM
"Until our culture moves toward sexual education of young men to the same standard as that provided for young women regarding sexual health, contraception, responsibilities of pregnancy or unwanted pregnancy, and associated emotional issues, the issue of women giving up full control of contraceptive to men is academic," she says.

Uh, what?

I thought one of the main benefits of the pill that women were able to have control over their reproduction.
 
2012-10-12 07:59:00 AM
I have to take medicine every day for the rest of my life now so yes I could do this.
 
2012-10-12 08:00:18 AM
Building habits is not exactly the hardest thing to do. Trigger-Action-Reward. Set up a trigger (like an alarm in your cellphone). Respond to the trigger by performing the action (taking the pill). Reward yourself immediately afterwards (by, perhaps, rubbing one out to warm up). After a week or two, you'll have the habit down.
 
2012-10-12 08:00:57 AM
Some can, some can't. I can't. Wife is more than happy to. Even after I get snipped, she's going to stay on the pill for the fringe benefits. On the off chance we've got a playmate over, that's what condoms are for.
 
2012-10-12 08:02:05 AM
Immaterial to me. I believe in one solid rule regarding BC: ALWAYS BRING/USE YOUR OWN.
 
2012-10-12 08:03:34 AM
If it gets me twat twice a day seven days a week I'll take the pill and paint myself orange.


"Why are you orange?"
"It gets me laid twice a day."
"Oh... ok."
 
2012-10-12 08:06:59 AM
When I was married, I was always paranoid that the spouse would forget to take her pills. I would have happily taken a pill every day and been extremely responsible about it.

I got snipped last year, so I never have to worry about it again.
 
2012-10-12 08:12:27 AM
"Until our culture moves toward sexual education of young men to the same standard as that provided for young women regarding sexual health, contraception, responsibilities of pregnancy or unwanted pregnancy, and associated emotional issues, the issue of women giving up full control of contraceptive to men is academic," she says.

And yet more young women manage to get knocked up than young men.

/wait, what?
 
2012-10-12 08:18:33 AM
There's probably cultural reasons why forming a positive habit of men taking a male contraception pill may be difficult. 'The pill,' has been associated with women for so long, a lot of guys probably think of it as 'un-manly.'

Take a look at the article: But, when women complain their partners forget to take the washing off the line, can blokes be trusted to take the man-pill every day?

Yeah, referring to it like that doesn't have any implications at all.

There may also be a perception of the reduction of virility and all that crap.
 
2012-10-12 08:34:44 AM

t3knomanser: Building habits is not exactly the hardest thing to do. Trigger-Action-Reward. Set up a trigger (like an alarm in your cellphone). Respond to the trigger by performing the action (taking the pill). Reward yourself immediately afterwards (by, perhaps, rubbing one out to warm up). After a week or two, you'll have the habit down.


I think the only habit I would get by doing this is an erection every time I get a phone call.
 
2012-10-12 08:37:53 AM
If government assistance required identifying the father, followed up with force those fathers to pay for the upbringing of the child, guess what, men would suddenly become a lot more reliable about things.
 
2012-10-12 08:42:14 AM

starsrift: I think the only habit I would get by doing this is an erection every time I get a phone call.


You know how people are always saying "i just spit coffee on my monitor"?

I actually did it, when I read that.
 
2012-10-12 08:42:53 AM
My tongue is the best contraceptive. No one ever got pregnant from oral sex.
 
2012-10-12 08:48:04 AM

elementalogic: I'll start taking a contraceptive pill when my wife starts investigating strange noises she hears in the middle of the night.

So basically, never.


Maybe your wife is just tired of hearing the strange noises you make when you're jerking off in the bathroom in the middle of the night.
 
2012-10-12 08:49:45 AM
No one can be trusted to do anything. You'd better just take care of it yourself.
 
2012-10-12 08:49:49 AM
There is a very simple solution and I am ashamed you farkers have not mentioned it yet. For shame! All you have to do is put the contraceptive in beer. Problem solved. Your welcome.
 
2012-10-12 08:56:49 AM

sammyk: There is a very simple solution and I am ashamed you farkers have not mentioned it yet. For shame! All you have to do is put the contraceptive in beer. Problem solved. Your welcome.


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Likes the cut of your jib.

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Has un-friended you on Facebook.
 
2012-10-12 08:57:03 AM
I wouldn't trust a male contraceptive to have no side effects that end up screwing me over later on down the line.
Yeah, yeah. The feds have done extensive testing on the drug, etc, etc. Whatever.

I don't trust them, or the male pill. Let the ladies deal with the pill taking.
 
2012-10-12 08:57:32 AM
Who cares if they can be trusted? I can still use my own birth control and now we're twice as safe from unwanted pregnancy.

Sounds like a win.
 
2012-10-12 09:08:08 AM
It's not so much that women have to trust men to take the pill instead of taking it themselves. It's a way for both sexes to have their own self-assurance. Both people can be on the pill. This eliminates the need for men to trust women. It brings true gender equality. Anyone against male contraception is a farking defenseless sexist clinging to female privilege in this one area.
 
2012-10-12 09:09:52 AM

skinink: elementalogic: I'll start taking a contraceptive pill when my wife starts investigating strange noises she hears in the middle of the night.

So basically, never.

Maybe your wife is just tired of hearing the strange noises you make when you're jerking off in the bathroom in the middle of the night.


Nonsense. I jerk off like a muffled ninja mongoose.
 
2012-10-12 09:10:43 AM

Tommy Moo: This eliminates the need for men to trust women.


That's the reason some women would be dead set against it.
 
2012-10-12 09:11:23 AM

elementalogic: I jerk off like a muffled ninja mongoose.


Farkied
 
2012-10-12 09:14:46 AM
Why don't they just have it make your penis glow...then you'll know for sure.
 
2012-10-12 09:17:12 AM

Tommy Moo: It's not so much that women have to trust men to take the pill instead of taking it themselves. It's a way for both sexes to have their own self-assurance. Both people can be on the pill. This eliminates the need for men to trust women. It brings true gender equality. Anyone against male contraception is a farking defenseless sexist clinging to female privilege in this one area.


This.
 
2012-10-12 09:21:02 AM

LDM90: I have to think this would be very high on the list of things men could be trusted to do.


Second - especially if you think it would cut down on the risk of the crazy girl and the old "I'm pregnant so you have to stay with me forever" plan.

/which works how often?
 
2012-10-12 09:22:27 AM
Well, I had to get the old snip snip. But if there was a male pill, I still would have gotten the snip snip. A one time $15 co-pay is much easier then having to make sure you have insurace for the rest of your life and remembering to take a pill every day.

Save hundreds of thousands in future college costs! Get a vascetomy! Yea!!
 
2012-10-12 09:36:15 AM
Why would women have to trust men to use birth control when they have such a ridiculously wide array out there to choose from? The whole point is that this gives each individual the ability to choose if he or she wants to have children. With a male birth control method available, both parties would have a veto on pregnancy.
 
2012-10-12 09:52:24 AM

meanmutton: Why would women have to trust men to use birth control when they have such a ridiculously wide array out there to choose from? The whole point is that this gives each individual the ability to choose if he or she wants to have children. With a male birth control method available, both parties would have a veto on pregnancy.


That's really the issue. Women aren't saying "I don't trust my husband." They're saying, "I like the option of getting pregnant whenever I want and going 'oops, guess the pill failed.'"
 
2012-10-12 09:53:52 AM
the nightly alarm on my phone is the only reason my girlfriend takes her pill daily.
it's...not something i forget about.
 
2012-10-12 09:59:02 AM

Freudian_slipknot: Who cares if they can be trusted? I can still use my own birth control and now we're twice as safe from unwanted pregnancy.

Sounds like a win.


The whole "I thought you were on it!" "but I thought you were on it" thing could happen for some couples.

Currently I know guys who have to remind their gf to take it. Its all so weird to me.
 
2012-10-12 10:02:35 AM
Well, no, men can't be trusted to take the pill because IT DOESN'T EXIST
 
2012-10-12 10:04:14 AM
Is it difficult to find a doctor to perform a vasectomy on a 23 year old? I'd much rather have that done and join the ranks of the non-breeders than have to remember to take a pill every day.

/forgot to take my zoloft this morning
//anxious about not taking my anxiety meds
 
2012-10-12 10:13:41 AM

Barfmaker: Yeah I woulda been all over that thing back in the day.


No shiat. Why trust a female (nothing personal) with that? Nothing personal, but mistakes happen, and worse some women are evil. Same goes for women too: Why trust the guy?

Both partners should have it, and both should use it until they're ready to have kids.
 
2012-10-12 10:14:36 AM
I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I have no problem in principle with being in charge of contraception, but I have an (admittedly irrational) hang-up about getting a vasectomy, so I'd much rather do this.

Presuming its safe and effective with few side effects.
 
2012-10-12 10:15:36 AM
A male birth control pill has as much to do with whether or not women trust them to take it as women's birth control pills have to do with men trusting them to take it.

Absolutely nothing.
 
2012-10-12 10:16:47 AM

Swoop1809: Is it difficult to find a doctor to perform a vasectomy on a 23 year old? I'd much rather have that done and join the ranks of the non-breeders than have to remember to take a pill every day.

/forgot to take my zoloft this morning
//anxious about not taking my anxiety meds


Good luck, my brother had to wait until 30. Even then it was a pain in the a$$. That was quite a few years ago though.
 
2012-10-12 10:30:26 AM

elementalogic: I jerk off like a muffled ninja mongoose.


We should form a club. We could call it the Ninjabators Society.
 
2012-10-12 10:31:34 AM
Short answer: Yes, with an "if". Long answer: No, with a "but".
 
2012-10-12 10:33:31 AM

Swoop1809: Is it difficult to find a doctor to perform a vasectomy on a 23 year old? I'd much rather have that done and join the ranks of the non-breeders than have to remember to take a pill every day.

/forgot to take my zoloft this morning
//anxious about not taking my anxiety meds


Not really. It's reversible too.
 
2012-10-12 10:46:00 AM
Why don't you man up and use a goddamn condom!

It takes two to tango, each partner should use BC.
 
2012-10-12 10:47:17 AM
Not bragging but my answer would be "nooooooooooooooooooo"

/painful tattoo
 
2012-10-12 10:47:54 AM
TFA: Monash University researchers have just discovered a way to stop sperm swimming.

They did it by mutating a gene that delivers fuel to the engine room in a sperm's tail.


A pill that genetically damages/mutates sperm....yeah, that'll end well.
 
2012-10-12 11:04:33 AM
My only hesitation on taking male contraception is that I would be worried about side and long term effects. Women's contraception works as well as it does because it basically co-opts women's natural mechanisms for turning fertility on and off. Men don't have a natural on/off switch for our soldiers, so any solution would have decidedly unnatural effects on our testicles. Frankly, the words "unnatural" and "testicles" should never appear in a word cloud for a medical treatment I'm going to have prescribed for myself.
 
2012-10-12 11:06:05 AM
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2012-10-12 11:09:26 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: TFA: Monash University researchers have just discovered a way to stop sperm swimming.

They did it by mutating a gene that delivers fuel to the engine room in a sperm's tail.

A pill that genetically damages/mutates sperm....yeah, that'll end well.


MAOI's work by permanently altering the MAO neurotransmitter. You have to keep taking them because your body is always making new ones and getting rid of the old ones.

So it could theoretically work just fine...

My girlfriend gets the depo shot though, and I'd use a condom if that weren't the case. I'd rather not be the first dude to try a contraceptive that worked that way.
 
2012-10-12 11:11:59 AM
Not saying men are terrible creatures here, but this comes down to basic economics (not finances, but how rational beings make choices based on cost/benefit).

Women actually suffer the consequences of not using contraception and having sex. Men do not.

So the "pill for men" was never going to work, since there just isn't a motivation factor high enough for men to consistently use it.

Not getting herpes or hep or siph is sufficient motivation for rubber use though. And party-hats have a nice little side-benefit of preventing pregnancy too.

And if we're talking about married couples, there are a number of more convenient and reliable options than pills for either side. NorPlant, vasectomy, the butt, etc.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:25 AM

Nuuu: My only hesitation on taking male contraception is that I would be worried about side and long term effects. Women's contraception works as well as it does because it basically co-opts women's natural mechanisms for turning fertility on and off. Men don't have a natural on/off switch for our soldiers, so any solution would have decidedly unnatural effects on our testicles. Frankly, the words "unnatural" and "testicles" should never appear in a word cloud for a medical treatment I'm going to have prescribed for myself.


Yeah... That's why I'll just let other guys blaze the trail for a few years and see how the data looks. Honestly, though, even if I never want to take a contraception pill myself, I still think it should be a choice available to other men who do.
 
2012-10-12 11:13:06 AM

cefm: Women actually suffer the consequences of not using contraception and having sex. Men do not.


18 years of having 17% of your wages garnished isn't a consequence?
 
2012-10-12 11:13:56 AM

cefm: So the "pill for men" was never going to work, since there just isn't a motivation factor high enough for men to consistently use it.


A child costs well over a million dollars to raise. If that's not motivation, I don't know what is.
 
2012-10-12 11:18:17 AM

fluffy2097: Swoop1809: Is it difficult to find a doctor to perform a vasectomy on a 23 year old? I'd much rather have that done and join the ranks of the non-breeders than have to remember to take a pill every day.

/forgot to take my zoloft this morning
//anxious about not taking my anxiety meds

Not really. It's reversible too.


Lots will tell you no and it's not always reversible.
 
2012-10-12 11:21:37 AM

meanmutton: Lots will tell you no and it's not always reversible.


I can throw a rock and hit someone who says all abortions will destroy your uterus forever. What's your point? You just need to find a good specialist.
 
2012-10-12 11:35:12 AM
The reproduction of the species is now an option to men?

We'll die off in about eight generations.
 
2012-10-12 11:37:27 AM

cefm: And if we're talking about married couples, there are a number of more convenient and reliable options than pills for either side. NorPlant, vasectomy, the butt, etc.


Two things.

First, and surprisingly, anal sex has an 8% failure rate as a method of contraception. I've tried to imagine how difficult it must be to tell a child they were unplanned. Then, I try to imagine how difficult it might be to tell a child they were the unplanned result of anal sex. That's an awkward conversation for sure.

Second, Norplant is no longer available in the US. As a point of information for anyone actually considering that solution, look into Implanon or Nexplanon instead. My girlfriend has had implanon for over a year and it. is. awesome. Implanon is so awesome that essentially the only instances of failure with that method are in cases where the woman became pregnant a few days before the device was implanted, or where the doctor failed to actually implant the device (which does happen occasionally). Otherwise, its about as fool proof as abstinence - far more fool proof if you take into account the real world effectiveness of abstinence, where many people fail to practice it perfectly.
 
2012-10-12 11:41:58 AM

cefm: Not saying men are terrible creatures here, but this comes down to basic economics (not finances, but how rational beings make choices based on cost/benefit).

Women actually suffer the consequences of not using contraception and having sex. Men do not.

So the "pill for men" was never going to work, since there just isn't a motivation factor high enough for men to consistently use it.

Not getting herpes or hep or siph is sufficient motivation for rubber use though. And party-hats have a nice little side-benefit of preventing pregnancy too.

And if we're talking about married couples, there are a number of more convenient and reliable options than pills for either side. NorPlant, vasectomy, the butt, etc.


I think avoiding child support payments is incentive enough for most men.
 
2012-10-12 11:47:42 AM
Twenty bucks says that the men who whine the most about evil wimmenz trapping men with surprise babies are also the men who are *least* likely to take a contraceptive pill. Why would they give up such an endless source of grievance?
 
2012-10-12 11:49:28 AM

Nuuu: First, and surprisingly, anal sex has an 8% failure rate as a method of contraception


What the shiat!? I'm gonna need a citation for that one, please.
 
2012-10-12 11:53:48 AM
I have to take allergy medication every day. But when I forget I get super itchy by around 3:00 PM so it's impossible for me to forget for several days.
 
2012-10-12 11:53:55 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Twenty bucks says that the men who whine the most about evil wimmenz trapping men with surprise babies are also the men who are *least* likely to take a contraceptive pill. Why would they give up such an endless source of grievance?


You mad?
 
2012-10-12 12:03:58 PM

Grither: Nuuu: First, and surprisingly, anal sex has an 8% failure rate as a method of contraception

What the shiat!? I'm gonna need a citation for that one, please.


"the best part of you ran down the crack of your mama's ass"
 
2012-10-12 12:06:52 PM
is there some rule that only one sex or the other can take the pill but not both?
 
2012-10-12 12:07:59 PM
Oh good, now he has three choices. A pill, a vasectomy, or a baby.

/done with birth control once the IUD is out
//seriously farking done with having to take sole responsibility for that shiat
 
2012-10-12 12:44:59 PM

doczoidberg: I wouldn't trust a male contraceptive to have no side effects that end up screwing me over later on down the line.
Yeah, yeah. The feds have done extensive testing on the drug, etc, etc. Whatever.

I don't trust them, or the male pill. Let the ladies deal with the pill taking.


You should be sure to tell this to women you're dating, preferably on the first date.
 
2012-10-12 12:52:11 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Twenty bucks says that the men who whine the most about evil wimmenz trapping men with surprise babies are also the men who are *least* likely to take a contraceptive pill. Why would they give up such an endless source of grievance?


There was a study about this last year, and it found that 1 in 5 women have had a male partner sabotage their birth control (e.g. intentionally slip off a condom during sex, poke holes in a diaphragm, hide or destroy birth control pills, etc.).
 
2012-10-12 12:58:06 PM
The article mentions that the pharmacetucal companies don't see it as being profitable. I'm guessing they are taking the long view. If men have control over pregnancies, how many kids would actually get born?

Very Few.

The rate of men who actually want kids is very low. In fact, I would bet that if this pill came on the market you would have a shiat load of guys using it- even if they tell their partners that they aren't. Why? How many guys get pressured into having a kid, or try to have one? So this way they could say that they are trying but the woman would be none the wiser.

This of course would probably drop our birth rate in half, which would destroy most companies- especially pharma since they need lots of sick people to cure. Who gets sicker than an unwanted child?
 
2012-10-12 01:05:19 PM

Grither: Nuuu: First, and surprisingly, anal sex has an 8% failure rate as a method of contraception

What the shiat!? I'm gonna need a citation for that one, please.


Ugh, I'm having a hard time finding an article with the exact quote, though I know I've seen it in a peer reviewed journal before. But, it should be proof enough that any credible source will tell you that abstinence only works if it's abstinence from all sex, oral and anal included, and that anal sex has a very low, but not zero, incidence of pregnancy. As Lewismarktwo implied, pregnancy from this method most often results from either dribbling from one hole to the other, or guys who go from ass to vagina without washing off their dong, speaking purely in medical terms. The problem is exacerbated because people who rely most on anal sex as a method of birth control tend to use it as their only form of birth control, while people using other methods of contraception are more likely to use multiple forms at the same time, i.e. condoms and the pill together.
 
2012-10-12 01:12:06 PM

Too_many_Brians: The article mentions that the pharmacetucal companies don't see it as being profitable. I'm guessing they are taking the long view. If men have control over pregnancies, how many kids would actually get born?

Very Few.

The rate of men who actually want kids is very low. In fact, I would bet that if this pill came on the market you would have a shiat load of guys using it- even if they tell their partners that they aren't. Why? How many guys get pressured into having a kid, or try to have one? So this way they could say that they are trying but the woman would be none the wiser.

This of course would probably drop our birth rate in half, which would destroy most companies- especially pharma since they need lots of sick people to cure. Who gets sicker than an unwanted child?


I think your own opinion / social circle are skewing your sample data. I can't think of any man I've ever dated that didn't want his own children. This was a BIG deal when I was out in the dating pool having 2 kids and not sure if I was willing to start over again. I'm sure my sample data is skewed as well, but perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle?
 
2012-10-12 01:12:26 PM

Theaetetus: doczoidberg: I wouldn't trust a male contraceptive to have no side effects that end up screwing me over later on down the line.
Yeah, yeah. The feds have done extensive testing on the drug, etc, etc. Whatever.

I don't trust them, or the male pill. Let the ladies deal with the pill taking.

You should be sure to tell this to women you're dating, preferably on the first date.



What? That I wouldn't take the male contraception pill until it's been proven safe?
How is that unreasonable?
 
2012-10-12 01:20:28 PM

QT_3.14159: Too_many_Brians: The article mentions that the pharmacetucal companies don't see it as being profitable. I'm guessing they are taking the long view. If men have control over pregnancies, how many kids would actually get born?

Very Few.

I think your own opinion / social circle are skewing your sample data. I can't think of any man I've ever dated that didn't want his own children. This was a BIG deal when I was out in the dating pool having 2 kids and not sure if I was willing to start over again. I'm sure my sample data is skewed as well, but perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle?


Probably, I know single guys and married guys that already have a kid- their women always want more. Yeah, guys would prefer their own kids over someone else's, but that is just evolution. This is the ability to choose how many kids you want and a way to control it, even passive aggressively until the desire leaves the woman. Some guys do want kids, but they also want fewer than most women and they are usually pickier about who they have kids with. Men are less desperate, usually, to have kids because they can have them at an older age while women age and create more broken babies. Ha! Ok, that was not the right way to put that, but you know what I mean.

I would say about less than half of men would want kids, if it was their choice. They usually get dragged into it and most discover they like it. Some don't. This pill is for them.
 
2012-10-12 01:25:01 PM

doczoidberg: Theaetetus: doczoidberg: I wouldn't trust a male contraceptive to have no side effects that end up screwing me over later on down the line.
Yeah, yeah. The feds have done extensive testing on the drug, etc, etc. Whatever.

I don't trust them, or the male pill. Let the ladies deal with the pill taking.

You should be sure to tell this to women you're dating, preferably on the first date.


What? That I wouldn't take the male contraception pill until it's been proven safe?
How is that unreasonable?


No, that you don't trust the feds and their extensive testing because years of taking the drug could have unforeseen consequences... but that she should deal with the pill.
 
2012-10-12 01:27:04 PM

doczoidberg: What? That I wouldn't take the male contraception pill until it's been proven safe?
How is that unreasonable?


Since you're just fine with leaving the responsibility for taking the pill to women, for whom the pill has already been shown to have nasty side effects in some cases. But it's ok that they deal with it because you're afraid for your lil' swimmers.

Women totally love being asked to shoulder 100% of the inconvenience and danger of contraception. It gets us all hot and bothered.
 
2012-10-12 02:04:59 PM

cefm: Women actually suffer the consequences of not using contraception and having sex. Men do not.

So the "pill for men" was never going to work, since there just isn't a motivation factor high enough for men to consistently use it.


1/10
 
2012-10-12 04:11:07 PM

PACMANCoW: I like how the lists of things men "forget" are all things they just don't want to do.

I don't want a kid, I would not forget.


Right?? This sounds like the reverse of an argument back when contraceptive pills were first being introduced.

"Oh those dizzy dames can barely remember my martini preference, how're they gonna take a pill EVERY day??"
 
2012-10-12 04:22:05 PM

elementalogic: skinink: elementalogic: I'll start taking a contraceptive pill when my wife starts investigating strange noises she hears in the middle of the night.

So basically, never.

Maybe your wife is just tired of hearing the strange noises you make when you're jerking off in the bathroom in the middle of the night.

Nonsense. I jerk off like a muffled ninja mongoose.


Actually, you might want to google mongoose sex sounds. They're noisy as balls.

Also: my understanding of the pill is that it works in tandem with the natural cycle. It's an over ride but not an entirely new mechanism.

The male pill I would be leery of because I don't think men have a natural birth control mechanic.
 
2012-10-12 04:33:31 PM

SevenizGud: If government assistance required identifying the father, followed up with force those fathers to pay for the upbringing of the child, guess what, men would suddenly become a lot more reliable about things.


No we wouldn't.

Men aren't thinking "Oh I'm going to get her pregnant and leave town..." Women aren't thinking "He's going to get me pregnant and leave town..."

They are thinking "It won't happen to us."

So the consequences won't make a damn difference.
 
2012-10-12 04:40:37 PM

Too_many_Brians: Probably, I know single guys and married guys that already have a kid- their women always want more. Yeah, guys would prefer their own kids over someone else's, but that is just evolution. This is the ability to choose how many kids you want and a way to control it, even passive aggressively until the desire leaves the woman. Some guys do want kids, but they also want fewer than most women and they are usually pickier about who they have kids with. Men are less desperate, usually, to have kids because they can have them at an older age while women age and create more broken babies. Ha! Ok, that was not the right way to put that, but you know what I mean.

I would say about less than half of men would want kids, if it was their choice. They usually get dragged into it and most discover they like it. Some don't. This pill is for them.


See, I still think you have it backwards. I think MOST men would like kids, one day, on their own terms, and with a woman/partner they loved. Of course men would want to have control over their reproductive capabilities so that could happen.

Maybe I'm jaded having never dated non-geeks, but I've never met one that only wanted sex and not love. I think that is mostly a myth. Now, guys want a heavy helping of sex with their love, and once jaded, will be happy with just sex not to have to put up with a crazy woman, but even guys want the fairy tale most of the time.

/in my experience...

//how can this be a proper fark argument without any name calling?
///asshole! ;)
 
2012-10-12 05:16:20 PM
As someone who doesn't want kids in the near future I would definitely take it if I was taking it and not lie about taking it if I wasn't and was gonna have to use a condom.
 
2012-10-12 06:07:02 PM

QT_3.14159: Too_many_Brians: Probably, I know single guys and married guys that already have a kid- their women always want more. Yeah, guys would prefer their own kids over someone else's, but that is just evolution. This is the ability to choose how many kids you want and a way to control it, even passive aggressively until the desire leaves the woman. Some guys do want kids, but they also want fewer than most women and they are usually pickier about who they have kids with. Men are less desperate, usually, to have kids because they can have them at an older age while women age and create more broken babies. Ha! Ok, that was not the right way to put that, but you know what I mean.

I would say about less than half of men would want kids, if it was their choice. They usually get dragged into it and most discover they like it. Some don't. This pill is for them.

See, I still think you have it backwards. I think MOST men would like kids, one day, on their own terms, and with a woman/partner they loved. Of course men would want to have control over their reproductive capabilities so that could happen.

Maybe I'm jaded having never dated non-geeks, but I've never met one that only wanted sex and not love. I think that is mostly a myth. Now, guys want a heavy helping of sex with their love, and once jaded, will be happy with just sex not to have to put up with a crazy woman, but even guys want the fairy tale most of the time.

/in my experience...

//how can this be a proper fark argument without any name calling?
///asshole! ;)


Men aren't really any different from women on this.

Some men really never want kids, and some men strongly want to have kids.

It's not like women are all the same either. Some women never want kids.
 
2012-10-12 09:23:32 PM
If I could take a pill every day to make sure I'd not have babies, I'd take it twice daily - set reminders on my phone - and keep a bottle with me at all times.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:29 PM

Cythraul: sammyk: There is a very simple solution and I am ashamed you farkers have not mentioned it yet. For shame! All you have to do is put the contraceptive in beer. Problem solved. Your welcome.



Likes the cut of your jib.



Has un-friended you on Facebook.


Completely unrelated, but Ty Olsson, the guy that played the guard is now the character Benny on Supernatural.

And he has gotten ridiculously hot.

Just thought I'd give you a heads up
 
HBK
2012-10-13 12:56:22 AM

Theaetetus: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Twenty bucks says that the men who whine the most about evil wimmenz trapping men with surprise babies are also the men who are *least* likely to take a contraceptive pill. Why would they give up such an endless source of grievance?

There was a study about this last year, and it found that 1 in 5 women have had a male partner sabotage their birth control (e.g. intentionally slip off a condom during sex, poke holes in a diaphragm, hide or destroy birth control pills, etc.).


Did you even read the article you read? I hope you're stupid, because otherwise you're a liar.

In case you're stupid, the article said 15% of women at "family clinics" reported sabotage. The women at these clinics reported a 53% rate of abuse. The article points out that this is not normal, and that there's a high correlation between abused women and reproductive sabotage. So your claim that 1/5 women having had a male partner sabotage their birth control is bunk. The statistic is 3 out of 20 low income northern-Californian women or northern-Californian women who are in abusive relationships have had their birth control sabotaged.
 
2012-10-13 11:39:08 AM

HBK: Theaetetus: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Twenty bucks says that the men who whine the most about evil wimmenz trapping men with surprise babies are also the men who are *least* likely to take a contraceptive pill. Why would they give up such an endless source of grievance?

There was a study about this last year, and it found that 1 in 5 women have had a male partner sabotage their birth control (e.g. intentionally slip off a condom during sex, poke holes in a diaphragm, hide or destroy birth control pills, etc.).

Did you even read the article you read? I hope you're stupid, because otherwise you're a liar.

In case you're stupid, the article said 15% of women at "family clinics" reported sabotage. The women at these clinics reported a 53% rate of abuse. The article points out that this is not normal, and that there's a high correlation between abused women and reproductive sabotage. So your claim that 1/5 women having had a male partner sabotage their birth control is bunk. The statistic is 3 out of 20 low income northern-Californian women or northern-Californian women who are in abusive relationships have had their birth control sabotaged.


Maybe you should go to the source, rather than CBS, before you call anyone names:
19% reported experiencing pregnancy coercion and 15% reported birth control sabotage.

Also, I notice that you subtly move the goalposts in your "argument". You notice that these are "family clinics" (what's with the scare quotes, Sparky?), and then suddenly say "there's a high correlation between abused women and reproductive sabotage" and "3 out of 20 women who are in abusive relationships have had their birth control sabotaged". Nice try, but false. The question about abuse was lifetime experiences - have they ever been in an abusive relationship, not "are they now".

All of this raises a question for you - you jump in here, angrily calling me names, misrepresenting the study to try to hide the truth, calling me a liar... Why so defensive? Which end of the statistics are you on?
 
2012-10-13 08:53:28 PM

Brytanica1: Cythraul: sammyk: There is a very simple solution and I am ashamed you farkers have not mentioned it yet. For shame! All you have to do is put the contraceptive in beer. Problem solved. Your welcome.



Likes the cut of your jib.



Has un-friended you on Facebook.

Completely unrelated, but Ty Olsson, the guy that played the guard is now the character Benny on Supernatural.

And he has gotten ridiculously hot.

Just thought I'd give you a heads up


Doesn't surprise me. I thought he was hot in Xmen 2.
 
HBK
2012-10-14 02:26:29 AM

Theaetetus: HBK: Theaetetus: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Twenty bucks says that the men who whine the most about evil wimmenz trapping men with surprise babies are also the men who are *least* likely to take a contraceptive pill. Why would they give up such an endless source of grievance?

There was a study about this last year, and it found that 1 in 5 women have had a male partner sabotage their birth control (e.g. intentionally slip off a condom during sex, poke holes in a diaphragm, hide or destroy birth control pills, etc.).

Did you even read the article you read? I hope you're stupid, because otherwise you're a liar.

In case you're stupid, the article said 15% of women at "family clinics" reported sabotage. The women at these clinics reported a 53% rate of abuse. The article points out that this is not normal, and that there's a high correlation between abused women and reproductive sabotage. So your claim that 1/5 women having had a male partner sabotage their birth control is bunk. The statistic is 3 out of 20 low income northern-Californian women or northern-Californian women who are in abusive relationships have had their birth control sabotaged.

Maybe you should go to the source, rather than CBS, before you call anyone names:
19% reported experiencing pregnancy coercion and 15% reported birth control sabotage.

Also, I notice that you subtly move the goalposts in your "argument". You notice that these are "family clinics" (what's with the scare quotes, Sparky?), and then suddenly say "there's a high correlation between abused women and reproductive sabotage" and "3 out of 20 women who are in abusive relationships have had their birth control sabotaged". Nice try, but false. The question about abuse was lifetime experiences - have they ever been in an abusive relationship, not "are they now".

All of this raises a question for you - you jump in here, angrily calling me names, misrepresenting the study to try to hide the truth, calling me a liar... Why so defe ...


I didn't call you a liar. I said you were either a liar or you were stupid. Based on your response and your failure to grasp statistics, or studies, I'm leaning more towards the latter.

First, I put "family clinic" in quotations because that was the exact language used in the article you cited. Second, there's a difference between sabotage (piercing condoms, replacing b/c, etc.) and coercion. The article says that of this very limited sample (women in northern California who went to the "family clinics"), 19% had reported coercion and 15% had reported sabotage. 15% = 3/20. You stated that it was 2/5, which was incorrect. The difference between coercion and sabotage is not a subtle nuance, but it doesn't seem like you understand the difference. I'd expect more from a self-proclaimed "patent attorney."

Regarding the sample- it was small geographically, and probably socioeconomically (another reason I put quotes around "family clinic"). The sample had a higher than average reporting of domestic violence. If you knew anything about abusive relationships, the correlation between abuse and the abuser trying to force procreation would make more sense and probably help you better understand why this study is not truly representative.

My original post was probably too harsh, but I expected more from a "patent attorney." I figured you were being intentionally misleading rather than having no idea what you were talking about.
 
2012-10-16 08:58:18 AM
make it Contraceptive pill 650mg / Hydrocodone 5mg

then you won't EVER forget
 
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