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2012-10-12 10:17:10 AM  

sprawl15: I alone am best: CPennypacker: Biden interrupts, take charge, has the last word every time, is assertive, and tells the truth, clear tie.

"We didn't know they wanted extra security." Yeah, full of truth.

The requests for security didn't go up more than 2-3 levels above the embassy and even if they did and we reinforced Bengahzi, it wouldn't have helped. The attack was so large and obviously conducted with inside information that it simply would have added to our body count.


2-3 levels above the embassy is still the state department which is part of the administration. You would think in a country that just went through a civil war with known active terrorist elements more security would be common sense.
 
2012-10-12 10:17:36 AM  

wooden_badger: I expect the President to act Presidential. I expect the VP to be able to act as the President's bulldog when need be and call out BS.

Amazing how those that beat their chest and crowed that Romney beat Obama now have their panties in a twist because Mean Old Joe beat up on poor defenseless Eddie.


Never mind that Romney was the one disrespectfully smirking at the deaths of those during the embassy attack. Romney and Ryan could eat a bowl of live puppies on stage, and Republican pundits would say, "Remember that time Obama ate dog? How foreign and terrorist-y of him. That's something that good Americans just don't do. Vote Republican!"
 
2012-10-12 10:18:33 AM  

unexplained bacon: NeoCortex42: So I guess the spin today is that Biden was just too disrespectful. My question for people that think that: How respectful is it to lie through your teeth 90% of the time your lips are moving? As far as I'm concerned Ryan was disrespecting the entire audience with the constant BS.

he even tried to use that snipped quote from Obama's 2008 acceptance speech (the part Ryan used in bold):

...I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer, and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values.

And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.

I get it. I realize that I am not the likeliest candidate for this office. I don't fit the typical pedigree, and I haven't spent my career in the halls of Washington.

But I stand before you tonight because all across America something is stirring. What the naysayers don't understand is that this election has never been about me; it's about you...



I've seen low info morons passing this quote around as though Obama was confessing to using these tactics when in fact he's obviously referring to his opponents tactics. How lame do you have to be to snip quotes like that and then try to pass them off as something else in the middle of a live debate?

you know why Ryan does this? because he knows the average Fox viewer will take his misleading and frankly insulting bait and swallow it whole. ...


I get what he was trying to go for there. He was trying to call Obama a sellout for using the same tactics that he decried four years ago.

Of course, he then immediately started painting Biden (and by extension, Obama) as somebody to run away from, so at best, he's a hypocrite.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:13 AM  

WaitWhatWhy: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: Why can't conservatives admit defeat? When our guy loses, we admit it. We complain and whine. We try to rationalize the reason he lost. We try to find the silver lining in his performance. We may even be mad at the moderator for not doing his job (i disagree). But we admit he lost.

Suck it up. Ryan got his ass handed to him. You don't get a tie just because your opponent made faces at your BS.

I can understand how you might think Biden won. You needed it desperately.

But for the small percentage of voters out there who actually aren't deep in that trench or the other it's hard to imagine them coming to the conclusion they liked the angry old man better.

Pretty sure the reaction among undecided voters was 50% Biden, 31% Ryan, and 19% tie. So you might want to work on your imagining there, chief.


So, we're now to believe the instapolls? Even the CNN poll with its Ryan 48 percent, Biden 44 percent poll, a statistical tie within the 5 percentage point margin? Which, I learned earlier from farklibs means Ryan just as likely received 53 percent as he did 43 percent. Or something like that.

Face it, you all wanted so much for Joe to hand Ryan his lunch. He didn't but keep trying.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:16 AM  

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: OK, time flows normally in Iran. Thanks, Ryan.

Hasn't Iran been three years from a bomb for like the last 17 years?


And Republicans have claimed to have a 10 year energy independence plan since the Nixon days.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:17 AM  

Gunther: imontheinternet: Romney and Ryan are losing the election, so the media has to say they won or at least tied the debates in order to keep the mouthbreathers from thinking the election is over and switching back to the white trash voyeurism networks.

This.

The night of the first debate, most people thought it was either a tie or a very slight win for Romney: Obama was too passive but Romney lied like a used car salesman. A day of spin and suddenly the consensus was that it was a brutal shellacking that completely turned the race around.

The media will do damn near anything to get the horse race they want. Obama leading by 10 points was NOT good for them, and they aren't about to admit Biden kicked Ryan's ass while Obama/Biden are still a few points ahead.


It's funny to hear conservatives trot out the "liberal media" line after the media's treatment of the first presidential debate.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:24 AM  

Headso: It totally reminded me of the race to go to war with Iraq.


It sounded like Ryan was trying to beat that drum, but Biden destroyed him on the facts and then mocked him for trying to start another ground war in the Middle East.

Dr Dreidel: A 'wonk' would know that Heritage and AEI are not "nonpartisan". A 'wonk' would know what the farking UN Security Council is, and who the permanent members are. A 'wonk' would know that projecting 8% economic growth (recession or no) is like wishing for a nine-way with Janeway. A 'wonk' studies a plan and can articulate it beyond what the words on the page are, and Ryan could do neither.


See, though, his role isn't to be truthful. He doesn't have to tell the truth to be reasonably intelligent or know how budgets are made, etc. To be a great troll, you need to know the details of whatever you're being ignorant about.

Jackson Herring: Hasn't Iran been three years from a bomb for like the last 17 years?


Depending on the election season, they've come as close as one year from a bomb.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:31 AM  

Headso: sprawl15: Headso: sprawl15: I think the most telling part of the debate was how Ryan fled from any given talking point as soon as it was disputed.

From what I heard on the radio afterword the most telling part of the debate was that Ryan was lying about the Iranian nuclear threat they are going to lie us into another war if they get elected.

That was weird. There was a very odd discussion between the two; it started off relatively sane where Ryan was arguing that Iran has progressed towards a bomb and Biden was arguing that Iran is more isolated than they've ever been. Then it got weird, when Biden started going down a rabbit hole where he started off saying that there are certain things they need in addition to fissile material to make a bomb (which is true) but ended up sounding like if Iran had fissile material it wouldn't matter unless they had those bomb parts. Instead of Ryan pressing, though, he fell back on the argument of "Iran is four years closer to a bomb than they were four years ago". OK, time flows normally in Iran. Thanks, Ryan.

the line I heard on the radio that i found scary from Ryan was he said something like 4 years ago Iran had enough nuclear material to make 1 bomb (untrue) and now they have enough to make 5 (untrue). It totally reminded me of the race to go to war with Iraq.


I thought they did, they just need to refine it.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:42 AM  

Bendal: Other than the media's determination to keep the "this race is a close one" meme alive, Ryan got his ass handed to him last night and everyone who watched the debate knows it.


I respectfully disagree. I believe both men achieved the goals they set forth In respect to their bases. Fightin' Joe showed up and made Democrats happy. Ryan demonstrated at least a basic competency in foreign and domestic matters that will satisfy Romney supporters. That's a big deal, see Sarah Palin.

Both did a good job representing their candidates and didn't harm either presidential candidate for the most part. Yes, to republicans Biden came off as rude and disrespectful. Yes, to democrats Ryan was full of lies and unable to rebutt. Neither really scored any major points but neither made any major faux paus either. Both assured their bases that their respective ticket was in good shape. That's about all you can ask of a VP debate. In a week this won't matter anyway as we move on to Obama Romney 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Full Disclosure: I live in such a solidly red state that my vote doesn't matter so I'm able to try and take a neutral view. Does that make me a Fark Independant tm? Your call. I focus on my local, state, and representative elections. That's where my vote can make an impact.
 
2012-10-12 10:19:47 AM  
I was said when Ryan set himself to be torn to shreds over Iran and Biden played fairly nice. Although it was a smooth move to talk on being on the same page as Israeli intelligence to play to the Jewish vote. I'd have loved to see Biden hammer Ryan over Iran just ending up as Iraq 2.0 a bit more though. Vote for R^2 if you like Middle Eastern quagmires.
 
2012-10-12 10:20:05 AM  

rorypk: I'm curious why the Democrats are so afraid of the word 'lie'. Joe couldn't even say tell the truth, had to throw the Malarkey word out there. Some unspoken political code? Because I would be saying lie a lot if I were talking to Ryan.

As for everyone calling Romney a robot, look at Ryan. That's a face of practiced emotions like a sociopath. Romney is just out of touch as a wealthy person, I think he has empathy and emotion. Ryan looks like he's faking every emotion.


A "lie" means you know the truth and are deliberately saying something false. Malarkey includes "lies, exaggerations, errors and half-truths." Bullshiat in other words. A lie is hard to prove because you to show the person saying it, knows that it is false. It is a character attack effectively. A harsh one. Painting your opponent as full of shiat is also a character attack but in the case of Ryan it is much easier to achieve.
 
2012-10-12 10:20:20 AM  

Maud Dib: Jackson Herring: What does malarkey mean?

People apparently rushed to their computers to find out. "Malarkey," it turns out, was the third-most-searched debate-related term of the night on Google. It was also trending on Twitter for a good chunk of time.

fark this earth

I think an occasional "Hogwash" from Joe would have been awesome.
And more cowbell.



I'm kinda partial to "codswallop".
 
2012-10-12 10:20:26 AM  

I alone am best: You would think in a country that just went through a civil war with known active terrorist elements more security would be common sense.


You'd think that, but Republicans in Congress voted to cut funding for embassy security, so...
 
2012-10-12 10:20:33 AM  
Fark me... I missed the debate last night and haven't read or watched any news since I got off work, but I'm watching the debate on youtube right now. I'm 29 mins in and Biden is wiping the farking floor with Ryan. It's what Obama should have done last time.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:01 AM  

I alone am best: sprawl15: I alone am best: CPennypacker: Biden interrupts, take charge, has the last word every time, is assertive, and tells the truth, clear tie.

"We didn't know they wanted extra security." Yeah, full of truth.

The requests for security didn't go up more than 2-3 levels above the embassy and even if they did and we reinforced Bengahzi, it wouldn't have helped. The attack was so large and obviously conducted with inside information that it simply would have added to our body count.

2-3 levels above the embassy is still the state department which is part of the administration. You would think in a country that just went through a civil war with known active terrorist elements more security would be common sense.


First, you just described a lot of places. Second, and embassy is not a military base. We don't put in enough weaponry to hold off a determined assault. Being a diplomat has always has risk. We knowingly put our representatives under the protection of the host country.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:12 AM  

RedT: [timethemoment.files.wordpress.com image 326x489]

I showed my husband the Time Mag Ryan workout pictorial and he commented "When I look at those picutres I imagine Ryan with a Shake-a-weight."

/And here I am outta brain-bleach.


I read that as "Time 'Meg Ryan'", but either way:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-12 10:21:16 AM  

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: OK, time flows normally in Iran. Thanks, Ryan.

Hasn't Iran been three years from a bomb for like the last 17 years?


I heard they will have one tomorrow, but tomorrow never comes....
 
2012-10-12 10:21:22 AM  
Ryan really wants Americans dying in the most dangerous areas of Afghanistan instead of Afghanis.
 
2012-10-12 10:21:34 AM  

sprawl15: Headso: It totally reminded me of the race to go to war with Iraq.

It sounded like Ryan was trying to beat that drum, but Biden destroyed him on the facts and then mocked him for trying to start another ground war in the Middle East.


that's all well and good if Romney/Ryan don't win but if they do he tipped his hand there with where we will be going with foreign policy.
 
2012-10-12 10:22:01 AM  

qorkfiend: You'd think that, but Republicans in Congress voted to cut funding for embassy security, so...


Accountability isn't directly mentioned in the Constitution, so Repubs are immune to it.
 
2012-10-12 10:23:15 AM  

Cletus C.: WaitWhatWhy: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: Why can't conservatives admit defeat? When our guy loses, we admit it. We complain and whine. We try to rationalize the reason he lost. We try to find the silver lining in his performance. We may even be mad at the moderator for not doing his job (i disagree). But we admit he lost.

Suck it up. Ryan got his ass handed to him. You don't get a tie just because your opponent made faces at your BS.

I can understand how you might think Biden won. You needed it desperately.

But for the small percentage of voters out there who actually aren't deep in that trench or the other it's hard to imagine them coming to the conclusion they liked the angry old man better.

Pretty sure the reaction among undecided voters was 50% Biden, 31% Ryan, and 19% tie. So you might want to work on your imagining there, chief.

So, we're now to believe the instapolls? Even the CNN poll with its Ryan 48 percent, Biden 44 percent poll, a statistical tie within the 5 percentage point margin? Which, I learned earlier from farklibs means Ryan just as likely received 53 percent as he did 43 percent. Or something like that.

Face it, you all wanted so much for Joe to hand Ryan his lunch. He didn't but keep trying.


Joe won on substance. He lost on etiquette. Ryan didn't mess up horribly which is all I was hoping for. Biden came out swinging and ended up looking like a douche. I guess its better to look like a douche that won than look like a douche and lose.
 
2012-10-12 10:23:25 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: urbangirl: Pants full of macaroni!!: urbangirl: Uchiha_Cycliste: automagically

i love your new word. may i add it to my vocabulary?

It's not exactly a "new" word. It is, however, an excellent word.

right up there with my other fave -- ignoranus

You can absolutely use it =3
Allow me to also suggest the use of cocksicle as a pejorative description of republican (vice)presidential candidates.


Nice. But I don't use language like that -- I'm a classy broad.
 
2012-10-12 10:23:51 AM  

HeartBurnKid: unexplained bacon: NeoCortex42: So I guess the spin today is that Biden was just too disrespectful. My question for people that think that: How respectful is it to lie through your teeth 90% of the time your lips are moving? As far as I'm concerned Ryan was disrespecting the entire audience with the constant BS.

he even tried to use that snipped quote from Obama's 2008 acceptance speech (the part Ryan used in bold):

...I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer, and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values.

And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.

I get it. I realize that I am not the likeliest candidate for this office. I don't fit the typical pedigree, and I haven't spent my career in the halls of Washington.

But I stand before you tonight because all across America something is stirring. What the naysayers don't understand is that this election has never been about me; it's about you...



I've seen low info morons passing this quote around as though Obama was confessing to using these tactics when in fact he's obviously referring to his opponents tactics. How lame do you have to be to snip quotes like that and then try to pass them off as something else in the middle of a live debate?

you know why Ryan does this? because he knows the average Fox viewer will take his misleading and frankly insulting bait an ...


I don't know, I've seen that exact snip of a quote on RW blogs being passed around as Obama admitting his tactics in his own words repeatedly. When I heard Ryan break it out it sounded like he was just borrowing that same lame talking point, not trying to make the point that Obama has strayed or anything...could be wrong.
 
2012-10-12 10:24:16 AM  
I'd like a conservative to answer this question:

Ryan states the problem with troop withdrawl is, as troops leave Afghanistan, the troops still there are less safe.
What plan do Republicans have that makes troops safer than having all them back in their homes by 2014?
 
2012-10-12 10:24:27 AM  

sprawl15: Headso: sprawl15: I think the most telling part of the debate was how Ryan fled from any given talking point as soon as it was disputed.

From what I heard on the radio afterword the most telling part of the debate was that Ryan was lying about the Iranian nuclear threat they are going to lie us into another war if they get elected.

That was weird. There was a very odd discussion between the two; it started off relatively sane where Ryan was arguing that Iran has progressed towards a bomb and Biden was arguing that Iran is more isolated than they've ever been. Then it got weird, when Biden started going down a rabbit hole where he started off saying that there are certain things they need in addition to fissile material to make a bomb (which is true) but ended up sounding like if Iran had fissile material it wouldn't matter unless they had those bomb parts. Instead of Ryan pressing, though, he fell back on the argument of "Iran is four years closer to a bomb than they were four years ago". OK, time flows normally in Iran. Thanks, Ryan.


The one part where I wished I could have answered for Ryan was when Biden complained that the repubs cut the security funding. "Well sir if we can afford an honor guard for the French ambas, we can set our priorited right and spend the money we have and not the imaginary amount you think you want. I would have shifted the money from superflious security details in stable countries and used it to protect our amasidors in middling to less stable countries. The american people are not your piggy bank"
 
2012-10-12 10:24:35 AM  

qorkfiend: I alone am best: You would think in a country that just went through a civil war with known active terrorist elements more security would be common sense.

You'd think that, but Republicans in Congress voted to cut funding for embassy security, so...


Funny they had money to waste everywhere else except on of the most dangerous places we have diplomats.
 
2012-10-12 10:25:06 AM  

I alone am best: 2-3 levels above the embassy is still the state department which is part of the administration.


So what?

The claim wasn't that some middle management bureaucrat turned down the request for extra security, it was that Biafra Jellobama personally turned it down. You're asserting a level of concern that makes it a personal failing for Obama if some FBI agent beats his wife and his boss doesn't report it.
 
2012-10-12 10:25:26 AM  

I alone am best: Cletus C.: WaitWhatWhy: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: Why can't conservatives admit defeat? When our guy loses, we admit it. We complain and whine. We try to rationalize the reason he lost. We try to find the silver lining in his performance. We may even be mad at the moderator for not doing his job (i disagree). But we admit he lost.

Suck it up. Ryan got his ass handed to him. You don't get a tie just because your opponent made faces at your BS.

I can understand how you might think Biden won. You needed it desperately.

But for the small percentage of voters out there who actually aren't deep in that trench or the other it's hard to imagine them coming to the conclusion they liked the angry old man better.

Pretty sure the reaction among undecided voters was 50% Biden, 31% Ryan, and 19% tie. So you might want to work on your imagining there, chief.

So, we're now to believe the instapolls? Even the CNN poll with its Ryan 48 percent, Biden 44 percent poll, a statistical tie within the 5 percentage point margin? Which, I learned earlier from farklibs means Ryan just as likely received 53 percent as he did 43 percent. Or something like that.

Face it, you all wanted so much for Joe to hand Ryan his lunch. He didn't but keep trying.

Joe won on substance. He lost on etiquette. Ryan didn't mess up horribly which is all I was hoping for. Biden came out swinging and ended up looking like a douche. I guess its better to look like a douche that won than look like a douche and lose.


He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.
 
2012-10-12 10:26:48 AM  

I alone am best: sprawl15: I alone am best: CPennypacker: Biden interrupts, take charge, has the last word every time, is assertive, and tells the truth, clear tie.

"We didn't know they wanted extra security." Yeah, full of truth.

The requests for security didn't go up more than 2-3 levels above the embassy and even if they did and we reinforced Bengahzi, it wouldn't have helped. The attack was so large and obviously conducted with inside information that it simply would have added to our body count.

2-3 levels above the embassy is still the state department which is part of the administration. You would think in a country that just went through a civil war with known active terrorist elements more security would be common sense.


Then blame Ryan. He voted against more funds for embassy security. Or not, I mean, that would hurt your well-crafted narrative that all Dem bad, all GOP good.
 
2012-10-12 10:27:22 AM  

I alone am best: Headso: sprawl15: Headso: sprawl15: I think the most telling part of the debate was how Ryan fled from any given talking point as soon as it was disputed.

From what I heard on the radio afterword the most telling part of the debate was that Ryan was lying about the Iranian nuclear threat they are going to lie us into another war if they get elected.

That was weird. There was a very odd discussion between the two; it started off relatively sane where Ryan was arguing that Iran has progressed towards a bomb and Biden was arguing that Iran is more isolated than they've ever been. Then it got weird, when Biden started going down a rabbit hole where he started off saying that there are certain things they need in addition to fissile material to make a bomb (which is true) but ended up sounding like if Iran had fissile material it wouldn't matter unless they had those bomb parts. Instead of Ryan pressing, though, he fell back on the argument of "Iran is four years closer to a bomb than they were four years ago". OK, time flows normally in Iran. Thanks, Ryan.

the line I heard on the radio that i found scary from Ryan was he said something like 4 years ago Iran had enough nuclear material to make 1 bomb (untrue) and now they have enough to make 5 (untrue). It totally reminded me of the race to go to war with Iraq.

I thought they did, they just need to refine it.


the refining it is what makes it into "nuclear material to build a bomb" so.... they don't have any nuclear material to make a bomb. This is the same bullshiat from the Iraq war, twisted "facts" half truths and straight up lying that convinced the tards a regime that couldn't even project power in their own country was a threat to America.
 
2012-10-12 10:28:06 AM  

sprawl15: I alone am best: 2-3 levels above the embassy is still the state department which is part of the administration.

So what?

The claim wasn't that some middle management bureaucrat turned down the request for extra security, it was that Biafra Jellobama personally turned it down. You're asserting a level of concern that makes it a personal failing for Obama if some FBI agent beats his wife and his boss doesn't report it.


No it was that the administration turned it down. Obama is the boss, that fall on him that his employee's borked it up. That's why they call it the Obama administration.
 
2012-10-12 10:28:24 AM  

CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.


And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.
 
2012-10-12 10:29:33 AM  

Lord_Baull: I'd like a conservative to answer this question:

Ryan states the problem with troop withdrawl is, as troops leave Afghanistan, the troops still there are less safe.
What plan do Republicans have that makes troops safer than having all them back in their homes by 2014?


It a top secret plan called Operation Irsay. In the middle of the night every American is packed up and flown to Indianapolis for a huge welcome home bash. The Afghanis will be surprised and pissed the next morning when they find they no longer have Americans to root for. But one day they might get another expansion war.
 
2012-10-12 10:30:25 AM  

I alone am best: sprawl15: I alone am best: 2-3 levels above the embassy is still the state department which is part of the administration.

So what?

The claim wasn't that some middle management bureaucrat turned down the request for extra security, it was that Biafra Jellobama personally turned it down. You're asserting a level of concern that makes it a personal failing for Obama if some FBI agent beats his wife and his boss doesn't report it.

No it was that the administration turned it down. Obama is the boss, that fall on him that his employee's borked it up. That's why they call it the Obama administration.


So you're saying every decision goes through Obama. Got it. Gotta make sure all blame goes to Fartbummer.

Still working on that GED?
 
2012-10-12 10:30:48 AM  

I alone am best: I thought they did, they just need to refine it.


Problem is, that's not some trivial task. It's not brewed up in a bathtub still. It's like saying that Iran is close to having F-22 equivalent fighters because they have a pile of scrap metal and they just need to 'refine it'.

There IS a risk of them having a dirty bomb, but that wasn't the focus of the debate conversation.
 
2012-10-12 10:31:25 AM  

Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.


Only inbred hicks with hick names can't stand Joe. Everybody else who is not low-information: yeah, no problem with Joe.
 
2012-10-12 10:32:37 AM  

Cletus C.: And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.


lol, this is a post from a guy who up thread was claiming to be non-partisan
 
2012-10-12 10:35:25 AM  

Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.


you may not like the attitude with which he repeatedly knocked down Ryan's BS talking points, but for me it was just fine as long as the BS Romney/Ryan are trying to sell gets called BS.

After Obama's debate where he politely moved on from Mitt's lies I was glad to see a spirited smack down.

All the RWers on fark were gloating all over the place after the first debate and yet I couldn't get one of you to address one of my favorite big Mitt lies of the night (his healthcare plan covers preexisting conditions). I could see quite clearly the best chance anyone will get to call a lie a lie is right there at the debate and Joe seemed to be aware of that. Good for him...a little less of the face making might have been better though.

You don't like your guys being called liars? Then they should stop lying.
 
2012-10-12 10:35:50 AM  

LarryDan43: Ryan really wants Americans dying in the most dangerous areas of Afghanistan instead of Afghanis.


Even better, he wants to postpone the withdrawal in order to send even more Americans into the most dangerous areas instead of the local forces. All this from the intellectual leader of the Tea Party. I suppose a dim bulb looks bright in a dark room.
 
2012-10-12 10:38:55 AM  

unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.

you may not like the attitude with which he repeatedly knocked down Ryan's BS talking points, but for me it was just fine as long as the BS Romney/Ryan are trying to sell gets called BS.

After Obama's debate where he politely moved on from Mitt's lies I was glad to see a spirited smack down.

All the RWers on fark were gloating all over the place after the first debate and yet I couldn't get one of you to address one of my favorite big Mitt lies of the night (his healthcare plan covers preexisting conditions). I could see quite clearly the best chance anyone will get to call a lie a lie is right there at the debate and Joe seemed to be aware of that. Good for him...a little less of the face making might have been better though.

You don't like your guys being called liars? Then they should stop lying.


But then they wouldn't have anything to say.
 
2012-10-12 10:39:13 AM  

I alone am best: No it was that the administration turned it down. Obama is the boss, that fall on him that his employee's borked it up. That's why they call it the Obama administration.


So what?

The claim wasn't that some middle management bureaucrat turned down the request for extra security, it was that Biafra Jellobama personally turned it down. You're asserting a level of concern that makes it a personal failing for Obama if some FBI agent beats his wife and his boss doesn't report it.
 
2012-10-12 10:39:28 AM  

Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.


So, he's the Tea Party affiliate?
 
2012-10-12 10:39:48 AM  

coeyagi: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.

Only inbred hicks with hick names can't stand Joe. Everybody else who is not low-information: yeah, no problem with Joe.


Ironically, Old Joe comes across as that inbred hick. I thought that was what we were supposed to like about him.
 
2012-10-12 10:40:36 AM  

Spartapuss: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.

So, he's the Tea Party affiliate?


Exactly like that.
 
2012-10-12 10:41:48 AM  

I alone am best: Headso: sprawl15: Headso: sprawl15: I think the most telling part of the debate was how Ryan fled from any given talking point as soon as it was disputed.

From what I heard on the radio afterword the most telling part of the debate was that Ryan was lying about the Iranian nuclear threat they are going to lie us into another war if they get elected.

That was weird. There was a very odd discussion between the two; it started off relatively sane where Ryan was arguing that Iran has progressed towards a bomb and Biden was arguing that Iran is more isolated than they've ever been. Then it got weird, when Biden started going down a rabbit hole where he started off saying that there are certain things they need in addition to fissile material to make a bomb (which is true) but ended up sounding like if Iran had fissile material it wouldn't matter unless they had those bomb parts. Instead of Ryan pressing, though, he fell back on the argument of "Iran is four years closer to a bomb than they were four years ago". OK, time flows normally in Iran. Thanks, Ryan.

the line I heard on the radio that i found scary from Ryan was he said something like 4 years ago Iran had enough nuclear material to make 1 bomb (untrue) and now they have enough to make 5 (untrue). It totally reminded me of the race to go to war with Iraq.

I thought they did, they just need to refine it.


That's true, but it's not cheap or easy or quick to do and almost impossible to do without being discovered. In other words, they're at like step 4 of a 20-step ladder.
 
2012-10-12 10:42:44 AM  

Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.


Ok, you can go with that, but it just makes the fact laced smack down Biden delivered even worse, Ryan had to back away from so many of his own talking points it showed that either they were lies, or even he didn't know the details of what Romney/Ryan are running on...

Buy yeah, Old mean Joe didn't give poor Ryan his jersey after taking his soda.... stick with that...
 
2012-10-12 10:43:40 AM  

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.

Only inbred hicks with hick names can't stand Joe. Everybody else who is not low-information: yeah, no problem with Joe.

Ironically, Old Joe comes across as that inbred hick. I thought that was what we were supposed to like about him.


Only for those who want to believe that so that it fits their narrative. It's ok, you obviously have no understanding of where Joe comes from or where h's lived. I do. I've lived in or visited all the places he's lived.
 
2012-10-12 10:50:25 AM  

Carn: unexplained bacon: Cletus C.: CPennypacker: He looked like a douche to you because he was making your guy look like a 12 year old at the adults' table on Thanksgiving.

And Old Joe was the drunk old uncle at that table. The guy the rest of the family can barely tolerate once a year.

you may not like the attitude with which he repeatedly knocked down Ryan's BS talking points, but for me it was just fine as long as the BS Romney/Ryan are trying to sell gets called BS.

After Obama's debate where he politely moved on from Mitt's lies I was glad to see a spirited smack down.

All the RWers on fark were gloating all over the place after the first debate and yet I couldn't get one of you to address one of my favorite big Mitt lies of the night (his healthcare plan covers preexisting conditions). I could see quite clearly the best chance anyone will get to call a lie a lie is right there at the debate and Joe seemed to be aware of that. Good for him...a little less of the face making might have been better though.

You don't like your guys being called liars? Then they should stop lying.

But then they wouldn't have anything to say.


It was painfully obvious after the first debate that our regular RWers on fark wouldn't touch the actual substance of the things Mitt was saying....

how is he going to pay for his proposed plan? deductions, isn't an answer, it's the start of an answer and they leave it right there. The RWers wouldn't get into that because they have nothing to say, because Mitt/Ryan haven't given any details. It's a plan to make a plan that's sold as an actual plan. BS

Mitt tried to pass off his proposal to go back to the old rule (that was killing people) in health ins. which is that you can't deny coverage for preexisting conditions to people who have maintained continuous coverage as being the same as the new rule under obamacare which solved a major problem for millions of Americans.

The fark RW didn't want to talk about those big lies at all, because they actually know they're lies. They just don't care.
 
2012-10-12 10:53:56 AM  

Mercutio74: Fark me... I missed the debate last night and haven't read or watched any news since I got off work, but I'm watching the debate on youtube right now. I'm 29 mins in and Biden is wiping the farking floor with Ryan. It's what Obama should have done last time.


Problem for Obama now is that he's really going to have to nail it next time to avoid appearing timid by comparison.
 
2012-10-12 11:01:26 AM  

unexplained bacon: how is he going to pay for his proposed plan?


Easy. He's assuming a greater annual GDP growth rate than we've ever experienced.
 
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