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2012-10-12 03:17:38 AM  
Wow they really have tried to find ways to make him interesting over the years, haven't they.

I liked him best when he was mostly a detective, not just a tank.
 
2012-10-12 03:32:14 AM  
Is he still a dick?
 
2012-10-12 03:35:25 AM  

maxwellton: Is he still a dick?


oh yes, in fact, he is a superdick.
 
2012-10-12 03:44:04 AM  
He was far more interesting as a Soviet dictator.
 
2012-10-12 03:48:57 AM  

unlikely: Wow they really have tried to find ways to make him interesting over the years, haven't they.

I liked him best when he was mostly a detective, not just a tank.


Superman was never really that much of a detective. Lois did most of that, mainly getting into trouble because of it. He was however, a flaming liberal. His first few adventures included busting two arms munitions moguls for creating wars to sell their weapons. He then shamed a Mine owner into better working conditions in his mines. Most of what Superman originally did was to help the poor who was harmed by bad business practices.

Superman was far over powering to his villains who were actually normal. Luthor didn't even show up until a few years in...and even then only made sporadic appearances.

Batman, however, was fighting vampires, werewolves, mad scientist who created truckloads of "Hulks", in his first few stories. The fact that Batman was human, made him even with even the most normal gangster. He often got shot, stabbed, injured and knocked out. None of that ever happened with Superman. Batman #1 introduced Joker. and.Catwoman.

He also introduced the Kid Sidekick to the Superhero genre. While it may seem like child endangerment to us now, people forget that many children actually went to work to help their families. My own grandfather had to quit 7th grade to work in the coal mines because his father had dies. The movies, books and radio shows also had children who were sidekicks.

Now the one Superhero who actually beat BOTH Superman and Batman in sales was "Captain Marvel" AKA SHAZAM.
Well written and well illustrated-Captain Marvel fought enemies that were as powerful as he was, while also being very vulnerable as Billy Batson.
 
2012-10-12 03:58:43 AM  
I know he is fictional and all. But, can this super hero show his papers?

His real name is Kal-El and he was born in Kryton. He is an alien, people!

At least the mexicans are from planet Earth.
 
2012-10-12 04:06:20 AM  
how quickly they forget 1969 SuperFlowerPowerMan digging the Haight-Ashbury scene. or the rarely mentioned 1983 story arc when Superman temporarily lost his memory but bravely got by as a hat check girl in a Tgirl/drag queen bar in Mexico. those were the days!
 
2012-10-12 04:37:01 AM  

KrispyKritter: or the rarely mentioned 1983 story arc when Superman temporarily lost his memory but bravely got by as a hat check girl in a Tgirl/drag queen bar in Mexico. those were the days!


That I'd actually read.

/Sounds like something that would happen to Archer.
 
2012-10-12 05:10:56 AM  

Dialectic: I know he is fictional and all. But, can this super hero show his papers?

His real name is Kal-El and he was born in Kryton. He is an alien, people!

At least the mexicans are from planet Earth.


Yeah but their skin looks different and they wear those big hats.
 
2012-10-12 05:12:13 AM  

Darth_Lukecash:

Now the one Superhero who actually beat BOTH Superman and Batman in sales was "Captain Marvel" AKA SHAZAM.
Well written and well illustrated-Captain Marvel fought enemies that were as powerful as he was, while also being very vulnerable as Billy Batson.


But he couldn't beat a lawsuit by DC against Fawcett Comics.

So, Captain Marvel comics ceased publication in 1953. Eventually, Marvel trademarked the name, DC bought the character, and ruined Captain Marvel completely, as they do with all characters that weren't created by DC Comics.

...and the ones they did create, too.
 
2012-10-12 05:14:45 AM  
Rebellious 90's Superman is still the best.
He's so extreme!
 
2012-10-12 05:40:56 AM  
So, I'll just leave this here, The Death and Return of Superman
 
2012-10-12 05:52:24 AM  

unlikely: Wow they really have tried to find ways to make him interesting over the years, haven't they.

I liked him best when he was mostly a detective, not just a tank.


If Supes is tanking and Bats is running DPS, who's the healer?
 
2012-10-12 05:57:13 AM  

unlikely: I liked him best when he was mostly a detective, not just a tank.


So basically what you are saying is that Batman is better than Superman?
 
2012-10-12 06:15:19 AM  
This list fails for lack of vegetarian Superman.

Also, I don't know why I'd failed to see it before, but this article gave me a new perspective on the New 52. It's basically One More Day writ large: all the same changes for all the same reasons, but to an entire universe instead of one character.
 
2012-10-12 06:38:04 AM  
There's really only one thing to do: infect Superman with some unknown virus that essentially turns him into a rage-induced lunatic. A story arc like that can get at least 12 issues and make him interesting for a bit.
 
2012-10-12 07:17:21 AM  

TheJadedJester: So, I'll just leave this here, The Death and Return of Superman


That was really awesome.
 
2012-10-12 07:18:09 AM  

TheJadedJester: So, I'll just leave this here, The Death and Return of Superman


Nice vid. And fun bonus fact, that guy went on to make that Chronicle movie that came out a year or so ago.
 
2012-10-12 07:18:23 AM  
The New 52 Action Comics Superman is all over the place. He's a dick (hanging guys off buildings) then he's a boy scout.
He wears the suit, he wears the t-shirt.
I have a hard time following what the hell is going on!

Having said that, the new "Smallville" title (season 11) is fantastic!! And the past 2 issues have had Batman (neat costume, hot Nightwing (I hope she's 18)) and he never appeared on the show so it's cool to see.

I just wish it wasn't drawn by a 12 year old with a new box of crayons! PU what bad artwork! (not as bad as the sketchy new Green Arrow, but still!)
 
2012-10-12 07:31:57 AM  
The best Superman was the Curt Swan version. It was really just batshiat. Instead of just punching a bad guy, he'd do something like create an air vortex by spinning his hands in order to knock over a water tower which he would turn into an ice cage with his super breath. And he would narrate exactly what he was doing every step of the way. It really is my favorite.
 
2012-10-12 07:48:36 AM  
That was actually quite interesting. I've never been an obsessive comics fan, but I do appreciate the artistry and passion the artists and writers put into the books.  To see how the different edtors and artist/writer teams have adapted the storyline over the years I think would make for a very interesting longform book.  One of the things the slideshow only touched on lightly was how each era also reflected the changes in American society.  Comics are very much a reflection of the times we live in, and in that light, can be quite fascinating to study.
 
2012-10-12 08:09:34 AM  
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2012-10-12 08:26:38 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: There's really only one thing to do: infect Superman with some unknown virus that essentially turns him into a rage-induced lunatic. A story arc like that can get at least 12 issues and make him interesting for a bit.


If he goes crazy will you still call him Superman?
 
2012-10-12 08:56:44 AM  

Millennium: This list fails for lack of vegetarian Superman.

Also, I don't know why I'd failed to see it before, but this article gave me a new perspective on the New 52. It's basically One More Day writ large: all the same changes for all the same reasons, but to an entire universe instead of one character.


So it was pointless and all that needed to happen was the characters needed to mature and let their aging and no longer needed aunt die?
 
2012-10-12 09:00:13 AM  

Subdue their bellies: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There's really only one thing to do: infect Superman with some unknown virus that essentially turns him into a rage-induced lunatic. A story arc like that can get at least 12 issues and make him interesting for a bit.

If he goes crazy will you still call him Superman?


3.bp.blogspot.com

yes, but in a shrill voice of terror.

/Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue
 
2012-10-12 09:03:14 AM  
Superman is an alien virus come to earth and will transform the entire planet.

Lex Luther has no super powers other than his intellect and determination to keep mankind destiny in the hands of man.

Or that what a geek told me what was really going on.
 
2012-10-12 09:26:14 AM  

alice_600: Millennium: This list fails for lack of vegetarian Superman.

Also, I don't know why I'd failed to see it before, but this article gave me a new perspective on the New 52. It's basically One More Day writ large: all the same changes for all the same reasons, but to an entire universe instead of one character.

So it was pointless and all that needed to happen was the characters needed to mature and let their aging and no longer needed aunt die?


It was the writers who needed to mature, not the characters, but otherwise, pretty much.
 
2012-10-12 09:32:48 AM  

Dialectic: I know he is fictional and all. But, can this super hero show his papers?

His real name is Kal-El and he was born in Kryton. He is an alien, people!

At least the mexicans are from planet Earth.


They took care of that saying that when he emerged from his ship. It was him being "born" on Earth. Something like that. He was also granted U.S. citizenship through the Government I believe (That was shown in the animated movie Justice League New Frontier).
 
2012-10-12 09:39:30 AM  

yves0010: They took care of that saying that when he emerged from his ship. It was him being "born" on Earth. Something like that.

That's only in the 1986 version, where Kal-El's parents put a fetus into a "birthing matrix" (their term, not mine) and sent that to Earth, such that he finished his gestation in space and actually was born on Earth. In all of the other versions, including the original, they put a baby in a rocket and sent that to Earth, which has occasionally caused the issue of citizenship to come into play.

/nerd
 
2012-10-12 10:02:40 AM  
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Javascript required? Gee, willikers!
 
2012-10-12 10:04:37 AM  

Millennium: yves0010: They took care of that saying that when he emerged from his ship. It was him being "born" on Earth. Something like that.
That's only in the 1986 version, where Kal-El's parents put a fetus into a "birthing matrix" (their term, not mine) and sent that to Earth, such that he finished his gestation in space and actually was born on Earth. In all of the other versions, including the original, they put a baby in a rocket and sent that to Earth, which has occasionally caused the issue of citizenship to come into play.

/nerd


I know that. But I think there was the whole Government making him a citizen too, Or was that Golden Age, Earth 2, Superman or just the one in Justice League New Frontier, which is based on the Earth 2 Sups if I recall.
 
2012-10-12 10:12:46 AM  
I want to read some Supes but dont want to buy crappy stories.

Any suggestions on Superman stories to buy?
 
2012-10-12 10:35:09 AM  
Turning Superman into a child molestor was a strange change.
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And the turning him gay
www.giantrobotclub.com
Actually he was always sort of gay.
 
2012-10-12 10:45:56 AM  

buntz: The New 52 Action Comics Superman is all over the place. He's a dick (hanging guys off buildings) then he's a boy scout.
He wears the suit, he wears the t-shirt.
I have a hard time following what the hell is going on!


The New 52 is getting old, that's what is goin on.
Have bought less DC Comics this year than I have ever before.
It's like they gave the characters to a new publisher and in typical fashion, is doing a quick fade out after a few flashy introductory issues.
 
2012-10-12 11:03:09 AM  

Kurmudgeon: The New 52 is getting old, that's what is goin on.


This latest issue is all about Superman and his dog. It's....cute, I guess? But.... uh.....
 
2012-10-12 11:09:46 AM  

buntz: Kurmudgeon: The New 52 is getting old, that's what is goin on.

This latest issue is all about Superman and his dog. It's....cute, I guess? But.... uh.....


Batman
Swamp Thing
Animal Man
Frankenstein
Justice League Dark
All Star Westerns

All these titles have been good. Or at least I tell myself that because I spend money on them every month.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:00 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: There's really only one thing to do: infect Superman with some unknown virus that essentially turns him into a rage-induced lunatic. A story arc like that can get at least 12 issues and make him interesting for a bit.


Wasn't that Irredeemable?
 
2012-10-12 11:41:16 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: unlikely: Wow they really have tried to find ways to make him interesting over the years, haven't they.

I liked him best when he was mostly a detective, not just a tank.

Superman was never really that much of a detective. Lois did most of that, mainly getting into trouble because of it. He was however, a flaming liberal. His first few adventures included busting two arms munitions moguls for creating wars to sell their weapons. He then shamed a Mine owner into better working conditions in his mines. Most of what Superman originally did was to help the poor who was harmed by bad business practices.

Superman was far over powering to his villains who were actually normal. Luthor didn't even show up until a few years in...and even then only made sporadic appearances.

Batman, however, was fighting vampires, werewolves, mad scientist who created truckloads of "Hulks", in his first few stories. The fact that Batman was human, made him even with even the most normal gangster. He often got shot, stabbed, injured and knocked out. None of that ever happened with Superman. Batman #1 introduced Joker. and.Catwoman.

He also introduced the Kid Sidekick to the Superhero genre. While it may seem like child endangerment to us now, people forget that many children actually went to work to help their families. My own grandfather had to quit 7th grade to work in the coal mines because his father had dies. The movies, books and radio shows also had children who were sidekicks.

Now the one Superhero who actually beat BOTH Superman and Batman in sales was "Captain Marvel" AKA SHAZAM.
Well written and well illustrated-Captain Marvel fought enemies that were as powerful as he was, while also being very vulnerable as Billy Batson.


!00% agree on all fronts, but in those early stories - busting the mine boss, busting the guys rigging fights, busting the mobsters, there was a lot of "ride on the back of the car to find the hideout" and "hang from the ledge to listen to the phone call to find the real bad guy" stuff. That was the good stuff, to me.

DerAppie: unlikely: I liked him best when he was mostly a detective, not just a tank.

So basically what you are saying is that Batman is better than Superman?


Not exactly, though in general yes because he has all sorts of weaknesses that make the stories much more interesting. Although, acknowledging that what he was finding was wild supernatural stuff, giant gorillas and flowers that steal faces and what not, when Batman really WAS just "the Detective" in some of those really early stories, that is when he was at his best too.
 
2012-10-12 11:47:38 AM  
I discussed this with my nephew, who is seven, the other day. He prefers Spider-Man while I prefer Batman. We both dislike Superman stories because, as he puts it "nothing can hurt him so there's nothing that can happen in the story."

It's true, though. They've made Supes far too powerful.

That being said, Superman: Red Son is one of the greatest comics of all time. OF ALL TIME.

I also enjoy stories where they explore Superman from a more human side of things - his profound sense of lonliness, for example (which the subsequently ruined with the bottle city of Kandor and Kara Zor-El and so on).

For a really interesting take on the Superman side of things, the first three trades of Supreme Power with Hyperion are quite good.
 
2012-10-12 11:48:36 AM  

Millennium: This list fails for lack of vegetarian Superman.

Also, I don't know why I'd failed to see it before, but this article gave me a new perspective on the New 52. It's basically One More Day writ large: all the same changes for all the same reasons, but to an entire universe instead of one character.


Wait for it, Marvel's about to do the same thing to their entire universe.
 
2012-10-12 11:58:02 AM  
amysrobot.com
 
2012-10-12 03:14:23 PM  
Slide shows aren't worth it. Slideshows that make you look for 5 minutes before you can start them can DIAF.
 
2012-10-12 04:14:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Darth_Lukecash:

Now the one Superhero who actually beat BOTH Superman and Batman in sales was "Captain Marvel" AKA SHAZAM.
Well written and well illustrated-Captain Marvel fought enemies that were as powerful as he was, while also being very vulnerable as Billy Batson.

But he couldn't beat a lawsuit by DC against Fawcett Comics.

So, Captain Marvel comics ceased publication in 1953. Eventually, Marvel trademarked the name, DC bought the character, and ruined Captain Marvel completely, as they do with all characters that weren't created by DC Comics.

...and the ones they did create, too.


Deathstroke has always been the biggest example of this, in my mind...in fact both he AND Dr. Light. In Identity Crisis, they became these nuanced villains, the former being suddenly upgraded to A-list when his powers are looked at through a more interesting lens, and the latter becoming a twisted monster...only to be relegated to Batman Impersonator and Serial-Rapist Man with every other author.
 
2012-10-12 04:19:09 PM  

I read fark for the pics: Slide shows aren't worth it. Slideshows that make you look for 5 minutes before you can start them can DIAF.


Try this.
 
2012-10-13 03:10:20 AM  
The various Crises retcons could all have been avoided if DC had only thought to name the Golden Age Earth ‶Earth-one" and the Silver-Age Earth ‶Earth-two" instead of the other way around way back when. Then, every fifteen years or so, they could have a crossover event in which the heroes of the current Earth meet the new heroes of the next higher-numbered Earth and basically pass the torch along, and then the mainstream comics would switch to the new Earth for the next generation of comics fans while the old one would still be published in a comics line for mature readers who want their old characters.

We′d be up to Earth-five by now, I think.
 
2012-10-13 12:20:21 PM  

You Are All Sheep: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There's really only one thing to do: infect Superman with some unknown virus that essentially turns him into a rage-induced lunatic. A story arc like that can get at least 12 issues and make him interesting for a bit.

Wasn't that Irredeemable?


I really enjoyed how the Irredeemable story ended. It was an unique mixture of redemption and punishment.
 
2012-10-14 05:56:56 PM  
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