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2012-10-12 11:03:22 AM  

Girion47: Would this thread be different if everyone involved in the violent border intrusion were 40 years older?


No, because one of them is a dirty Messican in people's mind. There's no age cap on racism and xenophobia.
 
2012-10-12 11:03:51 AM  

Tatterdemalian: unlikely: Have we been pushing Mexicans out of their homes to build settlements across what used to be the border?

No?

Then dump the dipshiat analogy.

Americans pushed them out of their homes and off their land. Sure, it was two hundred years ago, but I have no problem making you pay for what my ancestors did.


1. There were MANY non-white Texicans who fought the Mexican army FWIW
2. The Mexicans of European decent pushed the indigenous inhabitants off their land throughout the Americas so there shouldn't be any butthurt when it happens right back by another group of Europeans.
3. Anything that happened 200 years ago is no justification for anyone alive today to behave like an asshat.
 
2012-10-12 11:04:11 AM  

coco ebert: Girion47: Would this thread be different if everyone involved in the violent border intrusion were 40 years older?

No, because one of them is a dirty Messican in people's mind. There's no age cap on racism and xenophobia.


It isn't racist or xenophobic to believe in a humans right to defend itself.
 
2012-10-12 11:08:53 AM  

Medic Zero: Or they could have just retreated out of rock throwing range and let the kid flee back to Mexico.


Stand. Your. Ground.
 
2012-10-12 11:08:53 AM  

Need_MindBleach: I have no problem with this. Throw rocks at a police officer from a location where you are immune to arrest, get shot instead. The Border Patrol has a right to defend itself.


I'm not sure we should have border patrol at all.
Legalize pot, regulate the hooey out of it, tax the hooey out of it, and open the borders. Allow people to work, live, shop where they choose.
 
2012-10-12 11:08:55 AM  

coco ebert: Girion47: Would this thread be different if everyone involved in the violent border intrusion were 40 years older?

No, because one of them is a dirty Messican in people's mind. There's no age cap on racism and xenophobia.


Also your charge of racism fails because you assume that the BP agent wasn't the same race as the foreign invader.
 
2012-10-12 11:12:54 AM  

LiberalConservative: You are a farking idiot if you believe your post and swallowed that link's libtardian mega spin.


I was at least as serious as someone who hate's all Americans because of one border incident.

And yes, Australia is known to be rather draconian with immigration, and have been known to leave a boatload or two of people dying right offshore while they prepare a new detention center. Read about Australia's "onshore processing" detention centers.

Australia isn't all rainbows and beings of light. And the U.S. is far from fascist in comparison. Whether you like reality or not.
 
2012-10-12 11:13:12 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Disposable Rob: EZ Writer: "a 16-year-old boy drug smuggler was killed in the shooting"


FTFY. Anyone feel better now?

No, that just demonstrates that the most dangerous thing about marijuana is the police response to it.

"Drug war violence in Mexico took a life an average of every half hour last year in Mexico, the government estimates.

The administration of Felipe Calderon had resisted pressure to publish the death figures for months, but the Attorney General's Office finally posted the statistics on its website Wednesday.

The toll linked to the anti-cartel campaign launched by Calderon in 2006 continued to climb; there were 12,903 killings between January and September of 2011.

Total deaths stand at over 47,515, according to the government tally."

Your world must be quite a special place....


Okay, I concede that I wasn't considering Mexican drug violence, just that on this side of the border. Also, I should've more accurately said government response. After all, prohibition enables organized crime.
 
2012-10-12 11:19:24 AM  

Girion47: coco ebert: Girion47: Would this thread be different if everyone involved in the violent border intrusion were 40 years older?

No, because one of them is a dirty Messican in people's mind. There's no age cap on racism and xenophobia.

Also your charge of racism fails because you assume that the BP agent wasn't the same race as the foreign invader.


I wasn't referring to the actors involved but the peanut gallery here.
 
2012-10-12 11:31:00 AM  
What are guns, really, but devices used for throwing small, dense rocks? So, technically, the Mexicans shot first, and using higher caliber rounds.
 
2012-10-12 11:35:40 AM  

coco ebert: Girion47: coco ebert: Girion47: Would this thread be different if everyone involved in the violent border intrusion were 40 years older?

No, because one of them is a dirty Messican in people's mind. There's no age cap on racism and xenophobia.

Also your charge of racism fails because you assume that the BP agent wasn't the same race as the foreign invader.

I wasn't referring to the actors involved but the peanut gallery here.


I don't see how that changes the validity of Girion47's observation about your blatant racism. So you know the race of everyone here? Go back to stormfront with your racial slurs.
 
2012-10-12 11:37:43 AM  

Lunaville: Girion47: Langdon_777: Shadune: ShannonKW: Don't bring a rock to a gunfight


Ideally these goons would stop bringing guns to a rock fight.
The US has gone too far over the line in valuing property rights over human rights.

That is one plus I will give Israel - watch footage of their soldiers (armed to the max, with armour and air support) deal with Palestinian teenagers throwing rocks over the (was going to say 'border' but that isn't true) demarcation line. As a rule I respect their restraint.

The difference is, the US isn't kicking mexicans out of their homes and replacing them with Americans because we feel we need more land.

We accomplished our manifest destiny/land grab a while back. We are not inherently morally superior to others. Our nation is made up of humans just like every other nation. Our moral standing comes down to our choices. The choices we are making regarding immigration are reminiscent of the way we treated Irish immigrants during the great famine and Jewish immigrants seeking safe haven during the thirties and forties. Fifty years from now, while our descendants commit some novel variation of injustice, people will look back on this era and wonder how we could have acted in such a misguided manner.


You make some out of place moral relativism points for someone who expects others to increase their risk of death or serious bodily harm to meet the moral highground of your computer desk.
 
2012-10-12 11:46:27 AM  

Disposable Rob: After all, prohibition enables organized crime


I concur. My position has always been that the only reason weed could be considered a gateway drug is because of who the people have to buy it from.
 
2012-10-12 11:52:33 AM  

Nadie_AZ: PapaChester: [imageshack.us image 54x11]

I'll take a lot of criticism about my state, but this one is more about Federal Border Patrol than anything else.

Now, if you want to go after Jan Brewer, I'll accept that.

As the agents approached to investigate, people on the Mexican side of the border began throwing rocks at them and ignored orders to stop, the agency said.

Really? This is why it happened? Because what an American says on the US side of the border applies to Mexicans on the Mexico side of the border?


I honestly don't know the answer to this, can anyone help me out? Say you're standing on the Canadian side of the border, or the Mexican side, and you shoot at a guy standing on American soil. Can a local (not federal) cop cross the border to arrest the shooter, or fire at the shooter to stop him from hurting others? I honestly don't know. Do we have treaties with Canada and Mexico allowing our local cops limited jurisdiction and vice-versa or what?
 
2012-10-12 12:03:26 PM  
So, a fed shot a kid who was chucking rocks while border patrol was trying to retrieve narcotics that had been abandoned on the US side of the border. Sounds like a delightful kid (among others...seriously, there was a band of people doing this?? parents too maybe??) who was in no way trying to undermine US authority or aid drug smugglers with lethal force.

I love the comments in this thread. I like how this story is all about AZ when in fact it was a federal officer involved in the shooting. It's also intriguing how the officers should have gone and hid from the rock throwers while the drug smugglers came back into the country and retrieved their drugs.
 
2012-10-12 12:06:10 PM  
Hahahaha.
 
2012-10-12 12:09:49 PM  
Did candy come out or just tequila?
 
2012-10-12 12:30:08 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: LiberalConservative: You are a farking idiot if you believe your post and swallowed that link's libtardian mega spin.

I was at least as serious as someone who hate's all Americans because of one border incident.

And yes, Australia is known to be rather draconian with immigration, and have been known to leave a boatload or two of people dying right offshore while they prepare a new detention center. Read about Australia's "onshore processing" detention centers.

Australia isn't all rainbows and beings of light. And the U.S. is far from fascist in comparison. Whether you like reality or not.


Close Guantamino (and all the other secret prisons, incl those on water) and then we can discuss the issues.
 
2012-10-12 12:33:24 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: doglover: This About That: FTFA: "As the agents approached to investigate, people on the Mexican side of the border began throwing rocks at them and ignored orders to stop, the agency said."

Here we go again with cops blowing people away for not doing as they are told. This has got to stop. That includes shooting Mexicans. Especially across an international border. Even in Arizona.


They assaulted and disregarded agents after violating an international border.

If all envolved had been civilians in someones backyard and the shooter ended up in court the court would likely decide that the shooter should be charged with murder since the person who got shot was posing no immediate threat. The "target" was leaving the scene, had his back to the shooter, and was not armed.(if we assumeBarfmaker: he was shot three times in the back while climbing a ladder trying to cross the border back into Mexico is true.)
In those circumstances the shooter is committing a crime in most states is he not ?(we need federal standards legitimate use of deadly force in self defense. This variance from state to state is illogical)


I don't think you read the article. The "target" was not leaving the scene until the border patrol started firing back. You are confusing different incidents as the ladder shooting happened elsewhere. And the analogy of someone's backyard does not apply. I can go into my house if someone is throwing rocks at me (though it would be acceptable for me to defend myself against deadly force, which large or high velocity rock throwing can be). A police officer or federal agent needs to continue to fulfill his duties while on the job and can't just hide away indefinitely.

A better analogy would be if cops arrived to stop the people from throwing rocks in my back yard and the neighbors would not stop but instead started lobbing rocks at the police too. Would it be the police's job to hide with me indoors and just accept that my neighbors are going to throw rocks at people indefinitely? Rocks can be very dangerous and eventually someone has to defend themselves with whatever means they have available. A rifle filled with bean bag rounds would be amusing and nonlethal but probably effective. For some reason, I don't think the border patrol, or most law enforcement, has those as standard issue.
 
2012-10-12 12:53:34 PM  

Langdon_777: Close Guantamino (and all the other secret prisons, incl those on water) and then we can discuss the issues.


This is a good point. We are. Guantanamo is highly criticized here in the U.S. Not a regular policy, like the Australia's detention centers are. And we don't deny it happened. Guantanamo was used to house prisoners perceived (rightly or wrongly) to be radical enemies of the U.S. Australia's detention centers, in comparison, are for any joe average person who wants to come into Australia. Except for white Europeans, coming into Australia of course. They don't have to stay in detention centers, do they.

Look, I don't think the U.S. is perfect. I just also happen to know that Australia has exactly zero ground to declare as morally high. I also don't go around posting on Australian message boards that all Australians "suck" because of their government policy.
 
2012-10-12 12:59:06 PM  
USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-10-12 01:02:25 PM  

Smackledorfer: Lunaville: Girion47: Langdon_777: Shadune: ShannonKW: Don't bring a rock to a gunfight


Ideally these goons would stop bringing guns to a rock fight.
The US has gone too far over the line in valuing property rights over human rights.

That is one plus I will give Israel - watch footage of their soldiers (armed to the max, with armour and air support) deal with Palestinian teenagers throwing rocks over the (was going to say 'border' but that isn't true) demarcation line. As a rule I respect their restraint.

The difference is, the US isn't kicking mexicans out of their homes and replacing them with Americans because we feel we need more land.

We accomplished our manifest destiny/land grab a while back. We are not inherently morally superior to others. Our nation is made up of humans just like every other nation. Our moral standing comes down to our choices. The choices we are making regarding immigration are reminiscent of the way we treated Irish immigrants during the great famine and Jewish immigrants seeking safe haven during the thirties and forties. Fifty years from now, while our descendants commit some novel variation of injustice, people will look back on this era and wonder how we could have acted in such a misguided manner.

You make some out of place moral relativism points for someone who expects others to increase their risk of death or serious bodily harm to meet the moral highground of your computer desk.


Are you sure? Are you sure I expect others to increase their risk of death or serious bodily harm? If you don't mind, please, read the thread again and carefully consider whether you really believe that is true.
 
2012-10-12 01:25:21 PM  

flamingboard: Lethal force should NEVER be used when there is no threat to the lives of the cops. People throwing rocks at you over a fence? Stand a little further from the fence. Also, why would you ever need to shoot someone in the back as they are running away?


this
except the cops game the system by saying that they FEARED for their lives.
HAHAHAHAH HAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

in the end, until one of these assholes gets tried for murder, nothing will change.
 
2012-10-12 01:30:57 PM  
www.americanthinker.com
 
2012-10-12 01:34:28 PM  

Lunaville: Smackledorfer: Lunaville: Girion47: Langdon_777: Shadune: ShannonKW: Don't bring a rock to a gunfight


Ideally these goons would stop bringing guns to a rock fight.
The US has gone too far over the line in valuing property rights over human rights.

That is one plus I will give Israel - watch footage of their soldiers (armed to the max, with armour and air support) deal with Palestinian teenagers throwing rocks over the (was going to say 'border' but that isn't true) demarcation line. As a rule I respect their restraint.

The difference is, the US isn't kicking mexicans out of their homes and replacing them with Americans because we feel we need more land.

We accomplished our manifest destiny/land grab a while back. We are not inherently morally superior to others. Our nation is made up of humans just like every other nation. Our moral standing comes down to our choices. The choices we are making regarding immigration are reminiscent of the way we treated Irish immigrants during the great famine and Jewish immigrants seeking safe haven during the thirties and forties. Fifty years from now, while our descendants commit some novel variation of injustice, people will look back on this era and wonder how we could have acted in such a misguided manner.

You make some out of place moral relativism points for someone who expects others to increase their risk of death or serious bodily harm to meet the moral highground of your computer desk.

Are you sure? Are you sure I expect others to increase their risk of death or serious bodily harm? If you don't mind, please, read the thread again and carefully consider whether you really believe that is true.


Perhaps I misunderstood your belief that rocks throwing shouldn't be met with force and that the agents should be fired for doing so. Or maybe I misunderstood where you called it murder?

I dunno. Why don't you clarify for me then if you disagree so much with the way I read them.
 
2012-10-12 01:38:28 PM  

namatad: flamingboard: Lethal force should NEVER be used when there is no threat to the lives of the cops. People throwing rocks at you over a fence? Stand a little further from the fence. Also, why would you ever need to shoot someone in the back as they are running away?

this
except the cops game the system by saying that they FEARED for their lives.
HAHAHAHAH HAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

in the end, until one of these assholes gets tried for murder, nothing will change.


The legal threshhold is means, opportunity, and intent by the suspect to cause serious bodily harm in order for law enforcement to justifiably use lethal force.

Nice try though.
 
2012-10-12 01:51:05 PM  

Smackledorfer: namatad: flamingboard: Lethal force should NEVER be used when there is no threat to the lives of the cops. People throwing rocks at you over a fence? Stand a little further from the fence. Also, why would you ever need to shoot someone in the back as they are running away?

this
except the cops game the system by saying that they FEARED for their lives.
HAHAHAHAH HAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

in the end, until one of these assholes gets tried for murder, nothing will change.

The legal threshhold is means, opportunity, and intent by the suspect to cause serious bodily harm in order for law enforcement to justifiably use lethal force.

Nice try though.


Means-Thrown Rocks
Opportunity-Standing on the border of a country with guards that patrol that border
Intent-They threw the rocks at our border guards.
 
2012-10-12 01:59:04 PM  
Yup.
 
2012-10-12 02:20:21 PM  

Langdon_777: You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.


It's amazing how much people from island nations seem to know about stopping illegal immigration across a land border.

Especially ones which also have only a frozen wasteland off one half of their coastline.
 
2012-10-12 02:47:57 PM  

This text is now purple: Langdon_777: You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.

It's amazing how much people from island nations seem to know about stopping illegal immigration across a land border.

Especially ones which also have only a frozen wasteland off one half of their coastline.


New Zealand's not that bad.
 
2012-10-12 03:46:02 PM  

Smackledorfer: KrispyKritter: BuckTurgidson: Border Patrol cops are as homicide-prone emotional insecure unprofessional violence-seeking pussies as the cops in our own cities.

Big surprise.

bingo! ^^^ This

if you watch the news closely enough it seems like the collective goal is for them to kill at least 1 unarmed person per day somewhere in the usa.

Internet nerds once again convinced they would be perfect at handling deadly force scenarios for a job they wouldn't take.

Big surprise.
Heck we even have one of those "shoot at their feet" tards in this thread.


still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation
 
2012-10-12 03:56:18 PM  

Girion47: Smackledorfer: namatad: flamingboard: Lethal force should NEVER be used when there is no threat to the lives of the cops. People throwing rocks at you over a fence? Stand a little further from the fence. Also, why would you ever need to shoot someone in the back as they are running away?

this
except the cops game the system by saying that they FEARED for their lives.
HAHAHAHAH HAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

in the end, until one of these assholes gets tried for murder, nothing will change.

The legal threshhold is means, opportunity, and intent by the suspect to cause serious bodily harm in order for law enforcement to justifiably use lethal force.

Nice try though.

Means-Thrown Rocks
Opportunity-Standing on the border of a country with guards that patrol that border
Intent-They threw the rocks at our border guards.


unless i misread something, dude was shot in the back

so how exactly was he a threat ?
 
2012-10-12 04:06:04 PM  

elysive: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: doglover: This About That: FTFA: "As the agents approached to investigate, people on the Mexican side of the border began throwing rocks at them and ignored orders to stop, the agency said."

I don't think you read the article. The "target" was not leaving the scene until the border patrol started firing back. You are confusing different incidents as the ladder shooting happened elsewhere. And the analogy of someone's backyard does not apply. I can go into my house if someone is throwing rocks at me (though it would be acceptable for me to defend myself against deadly force, which large or high velocity rock throwing can be). A police officer or federal agent needs to continue to fulfill his duties while on the job and can't just hide away indefinitely.


You shouldn't have to go into your house, but you don't have to shoot your neighbor as a first attempt to stop them throwing rocks at you.

A better analogy would be if cops arrived to stop the people from throwing rocks in my back yard and the neighbors would not stop but instead started lobbing rocks at the police too. Would it be the police's job to hide with me indoors
Of course not.
AND It is not law enforcements job to apply lethal force when it is not justified.
Killing someone who is throwing rocks at you does not seem an appropriate response.
Were these rock throwers superhuman or mechanical? How far can a human being throw a baseball sized rock? 100 yards? You could simply move out of range.

elysive: Rocks can be very dangerous and eventually someone has to defend themselves with whatever means they have available. A rifle filled with bean bag rounds would be amusing and nonlethal but probably effective. For some reason, I don't think the border patrol, or most law enforcement, has those as standard issue.


Well then, we need to arm our officers with some non lethal weapons. Tear gas or pepper spray MIGHT have been effective as would a fire hose. Maybe a couple of tear gas canisters would have run the offenders off without killing one of them.
 
2012-10-12 04:46:45 PM  

inner ted: still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation


Chucking rocks, he sees the officers draw their weapons, turns to flee...BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Not that hard to see unless you have an agenda.

/how about we let someone whiz rocks at your head and see how long it takes to draw your weapon
 
2012-10-12 04:58:57 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: elysive: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: doglover: This About That: FTFA: "As the agents approached to investigate, people on the Mexican side of the border began throwing rocks at them and ignored orders to stop, the agency said."

I don't think you read the article. The "target" was not leaving the scene until the border patrol started firing back. You are confusing different incidents as the ladder shooting happened elsewhere. And the analogy of someone's backyard does not apply. I can go into my house if someone is throwing rocks at me (though it would be acceptable for me to defend myself against deadly force, which large or high velocity rock throwing can be). A police officer or federal agent needs to continue to fulfill his duties while on the job and can't just hide away indefinitely.

You shouldn't have to go into your house, but you don't have to shoot your neighbor as a first attempt to stop them throwing rocks at you.

A better analogy would be if cops arrived to stop the people from throwing rocks in my back yard and the neighbors would not stop but instead started lobbing rocks at the police too. Would it be the police's job to hide with me indoors
Of course not.
AND It is not law enforcements job to apply lethal force when it is not justified.
Killing someone who is throwing rocks at you does not seem an appropriate response.
Were these rock throwers superhuman or mechanical? How far can a human being throw a baseball sized rock? 100 yards? You could simply move out of range.

elysive: Rocks can be very dangerous and eventually someone has to defend themselves with whatever means they have available. A rifle filled with bean bag rounds would be amusing and nonlethal but probably effective. For some reason, I don't think the border patrol, or most law enforcement, has those as standard issue.

Well then, we need to arm our officers with some non lethal weapons. Tear gas or pepper spray MIGHT have been effective as would a fire hose. Maybe a couple of tear gas canis ...


Why would you move out of range when that range is within your property? Just because someone throws rocks you should just not access that part of your property anymore?
 
2012-10-12 05:10:06 PM  

peterthx: inner ted: still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation

Chucking rocks, he sees the officers draw their weapons, turns to flee...BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Not that hard to see unless you have an agenda.

/how about we let someone whiz rocks at your head and see how long it takes to draw your weapon


i highlighted the part that you seem to be conveniently overlooking

but ok
if we can then shoot you in the back as you turn to flee

deal?
 
2012-10-12 05:12:16 PM  

inner ted: peterthx: inner ted: still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation

Chucking rocks, he sees the officers draw their weapons, turns to flee...BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Not that hard to see unless you have an agenda.

/how about we let someone whiz rocks at your head and see how long it takes to draw your weapon

i highlighted the part that you seem to be conveniently overlooking

but ok
if we can then shoot you in the back as you turn to flee

deal?


Guess what, if the jerkoff hadn't been trespassing in a place he knew he wasn't allowed, he would have never been shot
 
2012-10-12 05:24:07 PM  

Girion47: inner ted: peterthx: inner ted: still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation

Chucking rocks, he sees the officers draw their weapons, turns to flee...BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Not that hard to see unless you have an agenda.

/how about we let someone whiz rocks at your head and see how long it takes to draw your weapon

i highlighted the part that you seem to be conveniently overlooking

but ok
if we can then shoot you in the back as you turn to flee

deal?

Guess what, if the jerkoff hadn't been trespassing in a place he knew he wasn't allowed, he would have never been shot


and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

that does absolutely ZERO to justify shooting someone in the back

try again
 
2012-10-12 06:13:42 PM  

BLEMDAR: Pray 4 Mojo:The spaces on this wheel of fortune will have the names of every country in the third world... except Mexico.

uhh... Mexico isnt a third world country, just good portion of people live like people third world countries.

Oil is one of their major exports, try to name a poor country that primarily exports oil.


Mexico.
 
2012-10-12 06:15:09 PM  

inner ted: peterthx: inner ted: still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation

Chucking rocks, he sees the officers draw their weapons, turns to flee...BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Not that hard to see unless you have an agenda.

/how about we let someone whiz rocks at your head and see how long it takes to draw your weapon

i highlighted the part that you seem to be conveniently overlooking

but ok
if we can then shoot you in the back as you turn to flee

deal?


Of course people never turn around and begin to throw rocks again, right?

In your world the fact that someone isn't facing you at the moment must mean they can't ever be a threat? Amazing.
 
2012-10-12 06:21:47 PM  

peterthx: inner ted: peterthx: inner ted: still not sure how you can argue 'self defense' when shooting them in the back.

but i'm all ears for what is bound to be some hilarious explanation

Chucking rocks, he sees the officers draw their weapons, turns to flee...BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Not that hard to see unless you have an agenda.

/how about we let someone whiz rocks at your head and see how long it takes to draw your weapon

i highlighted the part that you seem to be conveniently overlooking

but ok
if we can then shoot you in the back as you turn to flee

deal?

Of course people never turn around and begin to throw rocks again, right?

In your world the fact that someone isn't facing you at the moment must mean they can't ever be a threat? Amazing.


that's some stunning logic you have there.
but since you seem kind of thick in the head - i'll attempt to clear it up for you:
when the bad guy throwing rocks turns away, he's no longer a threat.
if he turns back around with rock in hand, he then becomes a threat again, but even then, you'd be hard pressed to use lethal force until it was imminent that he was about to throw said rock - yes, there are even ways of quantifying such a thing: raises arm / cocks back arm as if to throw etc.

this is why we are supposed to rely on PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE that are trained to know the difference that you obviously cannot discern.

the only amazing thing here is how many people, yourself included, are ok to shoot people in the back.
 
2012-10-12 06:28:19 PM  

EZ Writer: FTFY. Anyone feel better now?


Nope.
Because a drug smuggler is still a more honest trade than being an armed gang member killing people over arbitrary lines on a map. This goes for Israel/Palestine, US/Mexico, Australia, or wherever someone gets defensive about their imaginary lines.
Granted, the drug smuggler might be on equal footing with them by being a violent gang member himself, in which case, let gangster thugs kill each other off.
 
2012-10-12 06:29:59 PM  
inner ted:
the only amazing thing here is how many people, yourself included, are ok to shoot people in the back.
I would just like to add that we're not talking about shooting an adult in the back here, we're talking about a 16-year old kid.
 
2012-10-12 06:31:01 PM  

Girion47: Also your charge of racism fails because you assume that the BP agent wasn't the same race as the foreign invader.

 

Yeah, I mean working as a BP agent is such a sucky job they probably had to hire illegal immigrants to do it.
 
2012-10-12 06:32:27 PM  

Girion47: It isn't racist or xenophobic to believe in a humans right to defend itself.


Good job standing up for the border crossers taking their stand against the BP, and the Iraqi kid fighting the imperialist military occupying his neighborhood.
 
2012-10-12 06:33:52 PM  

Lunaville: Legalize pot, regulate the hooey out of it, tax the hooey out of it, and open the borders. Allow people to work, live, shop where they choose.


Woah now hippie. Free trade, not free movement of labor! We need to keep the proles under control.
 
2012-10-12 06:35:30 PM  

peterthx: In your world the fact that someone isn't facing you at the moment must mean they can't ever be a threat? Amazing.


Yeah, he's probably dumb like those aliens in the movie "Battleship".

[Dr. Phil Voice] How'd that work out for ya?
 
2012-10-12 06:41:10 PM  

occamswrist: Girion47: Also your charge of racism fails because you assume that the BP agent wasn't the same race as the foreign invader. 

Yeah, I mean working as a BP agent is such a sucky job they probably had to hire illegal immigrants to do it.


Are you suggesting that only white people work in the Border Patrol?



m2313: Girion47: It isn't racist or xenophobic to believe in a humans right to defend itself.

Good job standing up for the border crossers taking their stand against the BP, and the Iraqi kid fighting the imperialist military occupying his neighborhood.


If you're trespassing it's kind of hard to defend yourself considering you're the aggressor.
 
2012-10-12 07:10:21 PM  

inner ted: inner ted: this is why we are supposed to rely on PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE that are trained to know the difference that you obviously cannot discern.

the only amazing thing here is how many people, yourself included, are ok to shoot people in the back.

PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE don't wait while someone who's used lethal force on them (rocks can kill you, Border Agents do not wear helmets) reloads or turns back around to return fire.

/did a rock hit you in the head and make you lose your common sense?

 
2012-10-12 07:33:08 PM  

Girion47: occamswrist: Girion47: Also your charge of racism fails because you assume that the BP agent wasn't the same race as the foreign invader. 

Yeah, I mean working as a BP agent is such a sucky job they probably had to hire illegal immigrants to do it.

Are you suggesting that only white people work in the Border Patrol?


No, I'm suggesting illegal immigrants work as BP agents.
 
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