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(SeattlePI)   Palestinian teenager throwing rocks across border is gunned down by Israelis. And by Palestinian I mean Mexican and by Israelis I mean Americans   ( seattlepi.com) divider line
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2012-10-12 02:24:40 AM  
Border Patrol cops are as homicide-prone emotional insecure unprofessional violence-seeking pussies as the cops in our own cities.

Big surprise.
 
2012-10-12 02:26:27 AM  

Tatterdemalian: unlikely: Have we been pushing Mexicans out of their homes to build settlements across what used to be the border?

No?

Then dump the dipshiat analogy.

Americans pushed them out of their homes and off their land. Sure, it was two hundred years ago, but I have no problem making you pay for what my ancestors did.


No, no we didn't. We made them Americans. I know, that's not what you wanted to hear but it's the truth. An inconvenient truth for some.  Now argue that they would have been better off if they would have had to go to Mexico, I'd love to hear that one.
 
2012-10-12 02:26:51 AM  

NannyStatePark: If the point is to keep people in Mexico, why pursue them if they retreat when you could just maintain surveillance for a bit and save your breath?

Illegal immigration isn't going to stop until we do massive deportations and lock up employers, IMO. Since we won't, and that would all end up sad, we get theatrics at the border instead of real security.


you know who else thought that massive deporations were necessary for security?

upload.wikimedia.org
//obscure?
 
2012-10-12 02:28:33 AM  

doglover: taurusowner: Do they issue BP agents helmets?
Not so CSB. At an IP station in Iraq, one of the guys in another squad took off his ACH to fix the straps and got hit in the head with a rock thrown by some of the beggar kids. Apparently the concussion was bad enough that he got sent to Germany that week. Rocks are no joke.

\No, no one shot the kid
\\But "rock" doesn't always mean pebble, rocks can seriously fark someone up

I'm guessing this thread is split between people who've fought with rocks and armchair generals who've never actually seen what a rock is and are imagining driveway gravel.


I've fought with rocks...

/and the... rocks won.
 
2012-10-12 02:29:51 AM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-10-12 02:32:06 AM  
This thread should be good.

*goes to make popcorn*
 
2012-10-12 02:35:08 AM  
My idea to virtually eliminate illegal immigration... "The Wheel of Fortune"

Any person caught in the US illegally, or found to be harboring or employing illegal aliens will spin the wheel.

The spaces on this wheel of fortune will have the names of every country in the third world... except Mexico.

Whatever country it lands on... that's where they send you. I estimate it will all but eliminate the problem within 2 years... at which time... we can g'head and pay 6 bucks for a head of lettuce.
 
2012-10-12 02:43:40 AM  
narwhaler.com

The quantum leap in human evolution is a direct result of Illegal aliens tampering with our DNA. They have made us in thier image- We are the aliens.
 
2012-10-12 02:44:48 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: My idea to virtually eliminate illegal immigration... "The Wheel of Fortune"

Any person caught in the US illegally, or found to be harboring or employing illegal aliens will spin the wheel.

The spaces on this wheel of fortune will have the names of every country in the third world... except Mexico.

Whatever country it lands on... that's where they send you. I estimate it will all but eliminate the problem within 2 years... at which time... we can g'head and pay 6 bucks for a head of lettuce.


I like this. You need to add other prizes though. Like getting to stay in the US, loosing body parts, fights against wild animals with a knife, indoor plumbing for life, sex tape with Paris Hilton and no antibiotics afterward-- the list could go on and on. It would be like one of those Running Man game shows.
 
2012-10-12 02:46:52 AM  

Securitywyrm: Here's an idea: Don't throw rocks at people with guns unless you're prepared to get shot at.


Here's an idea, instead of throwing rocks, next time just shoot the border patrol agents. If they're too dumb to use cover to shield themselves from rocks, it shouldn't be too hard to kill them.
 
2012-10-12 02:51:14 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: Securitywyrm: Here's an idea: Don't throw rocks at people with guns unless you're prepared to get shot at.

Here's an idea, instead of throwing rocks, next time just shoot the border patrol agents. If they're too dumb to use cover to shield themselves from rocks, it shouldn't be too hard to kill them.


The only reason this is possible is because of the thousands of guns that were sent to mexico as a result of Obama's fast and furious program.
 
2012-10-12 02:52:06 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: If they're too dumb to use cover to shield themselves from rocks


Like by staying home from work?
 
2012-10-12 02:52:33 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Border Patrol cops are as homicide-prone emotional insecure unprofessional violence-seeking pussies as the cops in our own cities.

Big surprise.


bingo! ^^^ This

if you watch the news closely enough it seems like the collective goal is for them to kill at least 1 unarmed person per day somewhere in the usa.
 
2012-10-12 02:56:38 AM  

Pete_T_Mann: Pray 4 Mojo: My idea to virtually eliminate illegal immigration... "The Wheel of Fortune"

Any person caught in the US illegally, or found to be harboring or employing illegal aliens will spin the wheel.

The spaces on this wheel of fortune will have the names of every country in the third world... except Mexico.

Whatever country it lands on... that's where they send you. I estimate it will all but eliminate the problem within 2 years... at which time... we can g'head and pay 6 bucks for a head of lettuce.

I like this. You need to add other prizes though. Like getting to stay in the US, loosing body parts, fights against wild animals with a knife, indoor plumbing for life, sex tape with Paris Hilton and no antibiotics afterward-- the list could go on and on. It would be like one of those Running Man game shows.


Ohhh... I like that. We'll have one space where they get to stay... and to either side of that space will be "Wood chipper" on one side and "Lions" on the other...
 
2012-10-12 02:57:03 AM  

TWX: I think that the Border Patrol needs a new weapon for this kind of assault. They need a weapon that is effectively a skunk-smell grenade. Throw it back, when it hits and goes off everyone in the immediate vicinity smells absolutely horrendous for days on end. If you want to get really fancy, include bank-type dyes too, so that American officials can notify Mexican officials of the incident and if those Mexican officials want to find the people they'll probably have little difficulty doing so between the smell and the dye.

I agree that violating an international border and attacking border enforcement officials with thrown objects deserves a retaliation. I wish that it wasn't with firearms, but that's the most handy and immediately available took at the border officer's disposal, and you'd think that after a certain number of shooting incidents that people would understand that they probably will be shot at, and while the diplomats may publicly squeal and moan, they'll also rule the response to be perfectly justified.


They have a pepperball launcher and a less lethal weapon (that is lethal enough they dont shoot themselves in training) but these arent things every agent lugs around.

Rocks can kill or cause serious bodily harm. Shooting can be an appropriate response. Obviously not all rocks, situations, or rock throwers will meet the means opportunity and intent required for using a firearm.
 
2012-10-12 02:58:53 AM  

TWX: I think that the Border Patrol needs a new weapon for this kind of assault. They need a weapon that is effectively a skunk-smell grenade. Throw it back, when it hits and goes off everyone in the immediate vicinity smells absolutely horrendous for days on end. If you want to get really fancy, include bank-type dyes too, so that American officials can notify Mexican officials of the incident and if those Mexican officials want to find the people they'll probably have little difficulty doing so between the smell and the dye.


Non-lethal and cartoonishly hilarious. Brilliant.
 
2012-10-12 03:00:47 AM  
I know that during political protests in this country, if anyone ever throws a rock, the police are allowed to shoot anyone they see. And if they kill anybody, everyone would agree that those rock throwing protestors deserved it.
 
2012-10-12 03:02:10 AM  
Pray 4 Mojo:The spaces on this wheel of fortune will have the names of every country in the third world... except Mexico.

uhh... Mexico isnt a third world country, just good portion of people live like people third world countries.

Oil is one of their major exports, try to name a poor country that primarily exports oil.
 
2012-10-12 03:03:25 AM  

Jim_Callahan: doglover: They assaulted and disregarded agents after violating an international border.

Good rule of thumb: do none of those three things.

While frankly the kid earned every bullet, the border agents also failed to recognize a situation where lethal force was not strictly speaking necessary.

Like most situations where someone gets shot, both parties farked it up. Generally speaking if either party in a confrontation is less than a complete dumbass then it doesn't escalate all the way to actual death.


A friend of mine is an agent and here is how he sees this: if it's just him, a single guy, he would risk the rocks to avoid shooting the kid. When it's him and his partner, who has kids, then he says he isn't going to let him get killed over his personal ethical dilemma. He owes it to his fellow agent to make sure he has his back.

I can't say I fault that line of thinking. As always, every scenario is different of course.
 
2012-10-12 03:05:28 AM  

BLEMDAR: Mexico isnt a third world country, just good portion of people live like people third world countries.


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-10-12 03:06:32 AM  

cman: Hard thing to deal with, really. Safety of the officers is certainly a concern. Throwing rocks isnt childs play; in fact, stoning was an old method of capital punishment.

These guys have to protect themselves. They could have been hurt or killed. The act of self defense is warranted on events like this.


Or they could have just retreated out of rock throwing range and let the kid flee back to Mexico.
 
2012-10-12 03:07:00 AM  

wedun: NannyStatePark: If the point is to keep people in Mexico, why pursue them if they retreat when you could just maintain surveillance for a bit and save your breath?

Illegal immigration isn't going to stop until we do massive deportations and lock up employers, IMO. Since we won't, and that would all end up sad, we get theatrics at the border instead of real security.

you know who else thought that massive deporations were necessary for security?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x237]
//obscure?


I said it would be sad and never happen, too. I don't wish for that to happen to otherwise law abiding immigrants. But getting tough inside the border is the solution IMO. And that means putting restaurant owners, farmers, and contractors in jail, which again won't ever happen on a meaningful scale because cheap food and taxes are important, and its not cool to lock up people who aren't on drugs. It just sucks that they can exploit people and get a blind eye from good ole boys while they do. It sucks that the war on drugs has them swimming in blood and its our fault. I'd want to GTFO too.
 
2012-10-12 03:07:28 AM  

KrispyKritter: BuckTurgidson: Border Patrol cops are as homicide-prone emotional insecure unprofessional violence-seeking pussies as the cops in our own cities.

Big surprise.

bingo! ^^^ This

if you watch the news closely enough it seems like the collective goal is for them to kill at least 1 unarmed person per day somewhere in the usa.


Internet nerds once again convinced they would be perfect at handling deadly force scenarios for a job they wouldn't take.

Big surprise.
Heck we even have one of those "shoot at their feet" tards in this thread.
 
2012-10-12 03:09:06 AM  

unlikely: Have we been pushing Mexicans out of their homes to build settlements across what used to be the border?

No?

Then dump the dipshiat analogy.


Yes, that is exactly what the USA did in several parts of their border. I realize that you might not be from the USA since Fark is international, but the USA even celebrates historical sites where they fought the Mexicans and drove them out. The USA actually celebrates this stuff. They even built walls on the border. So there is every reason to make the analogy.
 
2012-10-12 03:10:26 AM  
Mexico's Foreign Relations Department issued a statement later saying it "forcefully condemned" the shooting and calling such deaths "a serious bilateral problem."

A serious bilateral problem? Oh my, oh dear. Well gosh, I guess you'll have to stop sending all your criminals and poor people across the border illegally, until we can sort this problem out.
 
2012-10-12 03:11:21 AM  

Medic Zero: cman: Hard thing to deal with, really. Safety of the officers is certainly a concern. Throwing rocks isnt childs play; in fact, stoning was an old method of capital punishment.

These guys have to protect themselves. They could have been hurt or killed. The act of self defense is warranted on events like this.

Or they could have just retreated out of rock throwing range and let the kid flee back to Mexico.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-10-12 03:11:26 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: Securitywyrm: Here's an idea: Don't throw rocks at people with guns unless you're prepared to get shot at.

Here's an idea, instead of throwing rocks, next time just shoot the border patrol agents. If they're too dumb to use cover to shield themselves from rocks, it shouldn't be too hard to kill them.


The border patrol, of ALL LEOs, should be the very last organization under any obligation to suffer attack. You try to kill border patrol, they shoot you, all is right with the world.
 
2012-10-12 03:13:19 AM  

Smackledorfer: KrispyKritter: BuckTurgidson: Border Patrol cops are as homicide-prone emotional insecure unprofessional violence-seeking pussies as the cops in our own cities.

Big surprise.

bingo! ^^^ This

if you watch the news closely enough it seems like the collective goal is for them to kill at least 1 unarmed person per day somewhere in the usa.

Internet nerds once again convinced they would be perfect at handling deadly force scenarios for a job they wouldn't take.

Big surprise.
Heck we even have one of those "shoot at their feet" tards in this thread.


Good luck, bro, hope you too aren't shot by mistake by one of your own over-amped cow-orkers.

Oh wait, you're not actually on the job, just shillin'.
You server your masters well.
And you will be rewarded.
 
2012-10-12 03:22:50 AM  
You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.
 
2012-10-12 03:27:17 AM  

Langdon_777: You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.


Remember that one time you all got together and threw rocks at them? That was fun.
 
2012-10-12 03:30:52 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Langdon_777: You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.

Remember that one time you all got together and threw rocks at them? That was fun.


It took me til uni years before I woke up to the truth ... (bit like the weird plane that arrived from Malaysia with scary guys who instead of shooting 22s with us on the range, use their automatic weapons from the roof - G*d knows what those dudes got up too.)
 
2012-10-12 03:36:05 AM  

Tatterdemalian: unlikely: Have we been pushing Mexicans out of their homes to build settlements across what used to be the border?

No?

Then dump the dipshiat analogy.

Americans pushed them out of their homes and off their land. Sure, it was two hundred years ago, but I have no problem making you pay for what my ancestors did.


And Spaniards pushed the native people out of their homes and off their land and used them as slave labor and raped the shiat out of the native women to make Mexico. And I'm pretty sure the tribes that were there before that were also busying busy killing each other over land and resources land and resources before the first Spaniard landed. The clear solution is to nuke everything till there are no more humans and let the jungle and desert take everything back. It's the only way to be sure!
 
2012-10-12 03:42:45 AM  
Don't bring a rock to a gunfight.
 
2012-10-12 03:44:35 AM  
Basically, the BP is a farking pussy and Americans should find out who he is and hunt him down.
 
2012-10-12 03:45:31 AM  

Langdon_777: You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.



Ah yes, meanwhile Fortress Australia knowingly leaves boatloads (literally) of immigrants dying offshore on a weekly basis. And rounds up all those who make it onshore are rounded up into detention centers - Where sometimes they are allowed to start the naturalization process, and sometimes they are tortured or starved to death. Let's compare border control deaths, shall we?

Link

At the very least, we take some solace in the fact that we don't suck nearly as hard as Australia.
 
2012-10-12 03:51:45 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Langdon_777: You guys suck.

I adored the Americans as a kid, when they would have R&R from Diago Garcia on my Island (they would let us hang out in the plane, and swap their hats for ours, unlike the Australians who were on active duty ... bastards ;)

STOP BEING FASCIST C***S.


Ah yes, meanwhile Fortress Australia knowingly leaves boatloads (literally) of immigrants dying offshore on a weekly basis. And rounds up all those who make it onshore are rounded up into detention centers - Where sometimes they are allowed to start the naturalization process, and sometimes they are tortured or starved to death. Let's compare border control deaths, shall we?

Link

At the very least, we take some solace in the fact that we don't suck nearly as hard as Australia.


Bollox!!!

Most of the ones we save are in INDONESIAN waters!

And as if everyone doesn't want to live here, we are uber nice peeps - but don't ever think we are weak (we will deal with the issues that arise.)
 
2012-10-12 03:59:41 AM  
Should have gone full auto. "Alto!" Braaap!"
 
2012-10-12 04:06:48 AM  

cman: Throwing rocks isnt childs play


What if it also involves throwing paper and scissors?
 
2012-10-12 04:11:34 AM  

cyberspacedout: cman: Throwing rocks isnt childs play

What if it also involves throwing paper and scissors?


thepoliticalzealot.com
 
2012-10-12 04:19:30 AM  
Nobody read TFA.

It seems that the kids were throwing rocks to prevent the border patrol from retrieving the drugs that were dropped by a fleeing crosser. Whether or not that calls for a lethal response is questionable, but if these kids were little cartel hoppers, the shooting probably just accelerated inevitability.

I'm not a fan of jack-booted border patrol thugs.

I'm even less a fan of the cartel.
 
2012-10-12 04:27:03 AM  

wedun: you know who else thought that massive deporations were necessary for security?

upload.wikimedia.org
//obscure?


Hard to say if running out the Armenians was "necessary", but they certainly embodied a much reduced security threat afterward. And the Pasha was certainly right when he said that they would be no more merciful, given the upper hand. The boys in those hills have been playing rough since the days of Xenophon.

In case you're Armenian, don't take it to heart. Freaky people. Love your alphabet. The noses on your women... can be overlooked. Usually.
 
2012-10-12 04:29:41 AM  

cman: Hard thing to deal with, really. Safety of the officers is certainly a concern. Throwing rocks isnt childs play; in fact, stoning was an old method of capital punishment.

These guys have to protect themselves. They could have been hurt or killed. The act of self defense is warranted on events like this.

As a person whose go-to response to kids being dicks is killing the shiat out of them I completely approve of this message.
I am sure the boys family will agree with you completely that this was the absolutely right response.
PS! You're a horrible person and should really think about who you are.
 
2012-10-12 04:30:02 AM  

ceebeecates4: Nobody read TFA.

It seems that the kids were throwing rocks to prevent the border patrol from retrieving the drugs that were dropped by a fleeing crosser. Whether or not that calls for a lethal response is questionable, but if these kids were little cartel hoppers, the shooting probably just accelerated inevitability.

I'm not a fan of jack-booted border patrol thugs.

I'm even less a fan of the cartel.


Why? Are you a competing meth supplier?
 
2012-10-12 04:41:13 AM  

ShannonKW: Don't bring a rock to a gunfight



Ideally these goons would stop bringing guns to a rock fight.
The US has gone too far over the line in valuing property rights over human rights.
 
Xai
2012-10-12 04:44:46 AM  

doglover: This About That: FTFA: "As the agents approached to investigate, people on the Mexican side of the border began throwing rocks at them and ignored orders to stop, the agency said."

Here we go again with cops blowing people away for not doing as they are told. This has got to stop. That includes shooting Mexicans. Especially across an international border. Even in Arizona.


They assaulted and disregarded agents after violating an international border.

Good rule of thumb: do none of those three things.


the kid hadn't been on us soil and he was in mexico
 
2012-10-12 04:48:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: unlikely: Then dump the dipshiat analogy.

I dunno, the stuff near the border is at times hard to tell apart one place from another.


The fence might have been a clue
 
2012-10-12 04:49:06 AM  

Shadune: The US has gone too far over the line in valuing property rights over human rights.


Yeah... ;'cause the kid was running away with flatscreen he had just stolen and they wasted him.
 
2012-10-12 04:51:55 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Good luck, bro, hope you too aren't shot by mistake by one of your own over-amped cow-orkers.


I have known many peace officers and I can inform you unequivocally that the rumors of widespread cow orking among them are greatly exaggerated. In reality, our nation's law enforcement agencies receive very few complaints of cow orking. These are always taken seriously, investigated by transparent, independent bodies, and if substantiated result in strict measures including retraining, suspension without pay, termination, or even criminal charges. Further, the cows involved are treated humanely according to SPCA guidelines and given veterinary care if they were orked to the point of injury. They are never put down, but are rehabilitated to allow them to ork naturally and without discomfort.

You need to educate yourself before you smear people on the Internet, sir.
 
2012-10-12 04:56:50 AM  

Xai: They assaulted and disregarded agents after violating an international border.

Good rule of thumb: do none of those three things.

the kid hadn't been on us soil and he was in mexico


And the agents didn't go into Mexico... so what's your problem?
 
2012-10-12 05:09:11 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Shadune: The US has gone too far over the line in valuing property rights over human rights.

Yeah... ;'cause the kid was running away with flatscreen he had just stolen and they wasted him.



Land is property.
If we aren't protecting something at our borders, then why all the shooting?
 
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