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2012-10-11 09:29:35 PM
8 votes:

Gestankfaust: More people that never read the bible...


Look, if you want to know, then try to know. But you people dont. You'd rather just make fun and/or show your ignorance...


Not sure if serious.

Yes, I have read the bible. Nothing convinced me more to give up my Christianity than actually reading that book that preachers shouted at me while gesturing with.

The Old Testament is hideously outdated in regards to modern life (including God being outright evil in the Book of Job.) It sickens met to think about Job's family massacred just to make life tough on Job just as a test of faith to win an argument with Satan.

If God loved all mankind, like people try to claim, why did he only reveal himself to one little tribe in the Middle East? The countless souls on so many continents that would die and go to hell for no fault of their own. Yeah, I know some denominations try to come up with some argument about limbo, saying they don't really go to hell. . .but the bible doesn't support that.

Then throw in the New Testament, where Jesus generally tells a pretty good message. . .which Paul et al. immediately come in behind him and basically fold, spindle and mutilate in their own images. The four Gospels are the only really redeeming part of that book. Everything before or after is rubbish.

I used to be a Christian. Used to be. Had the whole Evangelical "salvation" experience, professed my faith, accepted Jesus. Was a good little Southern Baptist for a few years. Then I started reading the bible more closely, I started studying theology, I started studying history, and my Christian faith basically disintegrated the more I learned, it was like seeing through a scam.
2012-10-11 09:31:02 PM
6 votes:

kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.
It's being an asshat.


Yeah, it would be a lot better if some actual gay person had to lie to his family for his entire life to keep from hurting their precious wittle feelings.
2012-10-11 08:56:54 PM
6 votes:

Ennuipoet: Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)


Actually, it's not a bad idea. The lack of empathy our society has pushed for the last half-century or so makes it hard for someone to truly "walk a mile in someone else's shoes," at least as a mental exercise - increasingly, folks just can't do it. Combine that lack of empathy with the gradual and corresponding lack of sympathy, and, yes, for some folks, this is a worthwhile exercise.
2012-10-11 07:28:15 PM
6 votes:
Eventually the initial "revulsion" disappeared, according to Kurek. "Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Dumbass, even Jesus said you're supposed to turn the other cheek.
2012-10-11 09:33:47 PM
5 votes:
Gay people exist.
God does not.
Get over it.
2012-10-11 09:15:08 PM
5 votes:
Are we sure it wasn't "Christian comes out as gay and gets so much pressure that he now claims it was just an elaborate study"?
2012-10-11 09:01:20 PM
5 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


I like to stone the people coming out of Red Lobster.
2012-10-11 08:55:51 PM
5 votes:
He says he hopes to change minds, not just in the Christian community but in the LGBT one as well, and to bridge the divide in the debate over gay rights.

Oh bullshiat. What has the LGBT community done wrong? (not including the closeted self-hating ones inb positions of power)
It's on your side of the aisle, religious farktards.

Instead of your infallible book being wrong about something again, you're going to give it a 509th interpretation, and this time we mean it.
2012-10-11 08:52:06 PM
5 votes:
He could have spent that energy actually helping people instead of feeding his persecution complex fix.
2012-10-11 09:15:37 PM
4 votes:

NannyStatePark: Imagine truly believing hell is real and people you love are burning in torment forever. It's like they are giving themselves PTSD constantly. No wonder they are crazy. They deserve pity.


It's the carrot and the stick, in theological form. "If you misbehave here, you will suffer an eternity of torment. If you behave here, you will enjoy an eternity of happiness." For some folks, it never occurs to them to unyoke themselves from that cart - they pull the cart, knowing that if they're good, they will enjoy the carrot of Heaven, and if they're bad, they will suffer the stick of Hell, without ever understanding what it is, exactly, they're supposed to do to be good. Their book is riddled with inconsistencies and nigh-impossible scenarios, their clergy enjoy many of the things their lay followers aren't supposed to enjoy, and ultimately it matters not because there's no evidence of either carrot or stick - just the lurid threats, flowing praise, and somewhat polished propaganda urging the laity to believe in the carrot and the stick.

It's a fantastic schtick.
2012-10-11 09:11:51 PM
4 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Yup. Eat shrimp, go to hell. Wear poly/cotton blend clothes, go to hell. Eat pork, go to hell. Eat a cheeseburger, go to hell. Refuse to marry your sister-in-law after your brother dies, go to hell. A raped woman refuses to marry her rapist, she goes to hell. Trim your beard, go to hell. Do almost anything on a Saturday, go to hell.

The "moral" laws of the Old Testament in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are widely ignored in modern society except where it just happens to coincide with modern "conservative" social values. If you happened to take multiple wives, as many prophets and holy men of the Old Testament did, you'd be decried as horribly immoral and sinful. . .never mind you're doing what the Bible said to do.

You're probably breaking some "go to hell" rule from the Old Testament.

This one just happens to condemn people who narrow-minded people find icky, so it's a nice justification for people desperate for one.
2012-10-11 08:58:49 PM
4 votes:
While I admire him for such a dedication to learning empathy, I can't help but feel sorry for his family.

They went through a very hard time. They had to accept that their son was gay, something which they believed would condemn his immortal soul, but come to grips with it in order to preserve their relationship. It couldn't have been easy. The whole family seems to have lost friends, had their lives shaken up and spent a year in turmoil.

Only to have their son turn around and say, "Hey, it was all an experiment. Thanks for participating. Buy my book."

Now, the family learned incredible lessons about love and tolerance and perhaps more Christians will embrace these lessons because of what this young man did. But I still have to think that if it had been my kid, I'd feel a little bit pissed at being punk'd in such an epic fashion.
2012-10-11 08:56:24 PM
4 votes:
And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.
2012-10-12 12:30:04 AM
3 votes:

Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.


They're called "Republicans" ...
2012-10-11 10:11:34 PM
3 votes:

Ennuipoet: Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)


It's one thing to tell yourself "treat others fairly and kindly". I think probably 99.9% of the people in the world says that to themselves and sincerely believe that they themselves do a good job of practicing it, from the volunteer doctor risking his life in a plague zone to the dude getting ready to go down the street and fling a jar of acid in the face of a little girl. You can tell yourself anything, and its very easy to believe everything you say.

OTOH, when you publicly come out as someone outside what the prevailing society considers acceptable, and you get to see first-hand how the people that you loved, trusted, and respected all really behave. You see them suddenly reject and abandon you. You start getting harassed and abused while the people you used to think you could turn to for safety stand by and do nothing. And all the while, all those people are still chanting the same "treat others fairly and kindly" mantra, just like you were.

That's a bigger eye-opener than any sermon or story.
2012-10-11 09:46:30 PM
3 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Imagine a world where God does not exist. Farkers have real estate there. Unless you are a troll, you might want to stop lurking here because I credit Fark debate for my agnostic views and changing attitudes.

Why would a loving God create a gay person in their image and set them up for a life of misery, death by stoning and eternity in hell? Why set us up to need his son to die at all? Because some minx ate a fruit? If I were God, I wouldn't hand over my creation to Satan without some moves that left no doubt in anyone's mind I was up there.
2012-10-11 09:32:59 PM
3 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Actually, the Bible is quite clear that, of all the things God created in Genesis and said were good - heaven, earth, light, animals, plants, Adam, etc. - there was one thing and only one thing that he specified was "not good": being alone.
Genesis 1:18: The Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
Any Jew, Christian, or Muslim who argues against gay marriage, argues that gay people should "not act upon their desires" and be celibate, or argues that homosexuals shouldn't find a mate "suitable for him" is going directly against the explicit word of God in Genesis.
2012-10-11 09:08:52 PM
3 votes:
Imagine truly believing hell is real and people you love are burning in torment forever. It's like they are giving themselves PTSD constantly. No wonder they are crazy. They deserve pity.
2012-10-11 09:01:02 PM
3 votes:
That's great and all that he went on this journey to further understand it from a "Gay Man" point of view...but I am calling BS on the fact that he was ever straight.
2012-10-11 08:58:25 PM
3 votes:
hero tag? this doosh is exploiting people to sell a book. fark him and fark him harder for not waking up to the reality of what religion is. and i hope one day he is strong enough to come out of the closet. doosh.

i have massive respect for people who are brave enough to live their lives openly and honestly. i have sympathy, hugs and kisses for those who are unable.

/i'm just another dooshbag, i know
2012-10-11 08:56:49 PM
3 votes:
Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.
2012-10-11 08:47:10 PM
3 votes:
Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)
2012-10-11 07:40:34 PM
3 votes:
Thanks, subs.
2012-10-11 07:34:24 PM
3 votes:
- Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."


Damn, Shawn, that is some elaborate game. Not sure if ethical, but still pretty impressive.
2012-10-12 10:22:30 AM
2 votes:
Sorry, but my immediate reaction to this is, to paraphrase Chris Rock -

A Christian will say some shiat like, "I learned to not hate gay people" You're supposed to not hate people, according to the 'Son Of God', you dumb motherfarker! What kind of ignorant shiat is that? "I decided gays were really not horrible sinners predestined for hell" What do you want, a cookie?! You're not supposed to treat anyone like an outcast according to the fundamental tenets of your religious philosophy, you low-expectation-having motherfarker!
2012-10-12 08:36:03 AM
2 votes:

andyfromfl: calling BS. You might have heard that there are tons of inconsistencies, that it contradicts itself nonstop, that you can't possibly follow it, but those things aren't true.


1. God is satisfied with his works - Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works - Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples - 2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples - Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light - Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness - 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard - Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard - John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests - Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests - Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things - Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things - Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men - Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart - Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful - Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful - Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable - James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable - Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial - Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial - Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil - Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil - 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask - James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them - John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him - Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him - Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike - Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful - Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious - Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good - James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long - Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute - Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days - Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days - Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices - 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice - Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men - Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man - James 1:13

20. God cannot lie - Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive - 2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him - Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him - Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works - Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered - Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God - Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods - Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

24. Robbery commanded - Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden - Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

25. Lying approved and sanctioned - Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden - Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned - 2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden - Deut 23:7

27. Killing commanded - Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden - Ex 20:13

28. The blood-shedder must die - Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die - Gen 4:15

29. The making of images forbidden - Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded - Ex 25:18,20

30. Slavery and oppression ordained - Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden - Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

31. Improvidence enjoyed - Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned - 1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22

32. Anger approved - Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved - Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20

33. Good works to be seen of men - Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men - Matt 6:1

34. Judging of others forbidden - Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved - 1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12

35. Christ taught non-resistance - Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance - Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed - Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed - John 7:1

37. Public prayer sanctioned - 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved - Matt 6:5,6

38. Importunity in prayer commended - Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned - Matt 6:7,8

39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned - Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned - 1 Cor 11:14

40. Circumcision instituted - Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned - Gal 5:2

41. The Sabbath instituted - Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated - Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16

42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day - Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt - Deut 5:15

43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death - Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in the same - John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5

44. Baptism commanded - Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded - 1 Cor 1:17,14

45. Every kind of animal allowed for food - Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food - Deut 14:7,8

46. Taking of oaths sanctioned - Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden - Matt 5:34

47. Marriage approved - Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved - 1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8

48. Freedom of divorce permitted - Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted - Matt 5:32

49. Adultery forbidden - Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed - Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced - Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union - Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

51. A man may marry his brother's widow - Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow - Lev 20:21

52. Hatred to kindred enjoined - Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned - Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

53. Intoxicating beverages recommended - Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced - Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers and punish evil doers only - Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor - Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

55. Women's rights denied - Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed - Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

56. Obedience to masters enjoined - Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only - Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

57. There is an unpardonable sin - Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin - Acts 13:39
2012-10-12 01:04:13 AM
2 votes:
Hardly deserving of a Hero tag. Too bad there is not a self serving, self promoting douche bag tag. If he is such a great guy, then why would he have to go to such great lengths to prove it? Some of us go quietly in life excepting people as they are anyway. What? Should I do an Al Jolson thing and live in the hood just to prove I respect blacks? Do it in the first place, dick.
2012-10-12 12:51:54 AM
2 votes:

scalpod: Who does he think he is? Huston Smith?

Just kidding. I'm always impressed when anyone ever does actually walk a mile in someone else's shoes.


I have a gut feeling he was walking in his own shoes.
2012-10-12 12:37:06 AM
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: quit biatching about a very few who complain

I'll quit biatching as soon as there's nowhere in the US where you can be fired for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, when there's nowhere in the US where you can be denied housing for same, and as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.


And with all the same State and Federal rights my parents got, thank you.
2012-10-12 12:23:40 AM
2 votes:

steamingpile: Name the last time any gay was killed in the name of Christianity,


Uganda is 85% Christian and passed a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death....
2012-10-11 11:53:21 PM
2 votes:

Gestankfaust: More people that never read the bible...


Read the bible all you want.
You've never understood a word of it.
2012-10-11 11:27:39 PM
2 votes:

Mija: Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin.


You mean like hatred? Jesus was pretty clear about compassion.
2012-10-11 11:22:22 PM
2 votes:
I'm happier to see this kid get paid than to see Joel Osteen and his blow up doll get another book deal on their concocted prosperity and New Thought movement heresy. I might get this on Kindle.
2012-10-11 11:11:53 PM
2 votes:
This is what a Christian is supposed to be.
2012-10-11 10:09:29 PM
2 votes:

cryinoutloud: kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.
It's being an asshat.

Yeah, it would be a lot better if some actual gay person had to lie to his family for his entire life to keep from hurting their precious wittle feelings.


The entire down-low chunk of the black community is like that. And I've had several closety friends who cling to their sad lives, saying "It would kill my father if he ever found out." My answer is generally "Well, your dad had his shot at happiness, why don't you deserve one too?"
2012-10-11 09:46:20 PM
2 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


I have read the Bible cover to cover several times. I have a couple of them handy. Would you please point out the passage I missed on this subject?
Much like the old saw, "God helps those who help themselves" it is not there. If you take bits and pieces out of context and string them together, whatever you want to say with religious authority is attributable.
It would be greatly appreciated if you actually gave the passage in total not the random bits that support your poisonous ideas. You know contiguous verses in context.
2012-10-11 09:13:07 PM
2 votes:
Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.

It's being an asshat.
2012-10-11 09:11:29 PM
2 votes:

dumbobruni: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

do you refrain from eating shellfish and figs?


The real question is "does he support cherry-picking the 'literal word of God'?" That's the basic argument, after all - anyone attempting to follow the 'literal word of God' in this day & age would be arrested for a variety of crimes. They know that, we know that, and so you end up with Christians who pick & choose what parts of the 'literal word of God' to follow, thereby damning their very souls.

It's a conundrum.
2012-10-11 09:10:39 PM
2 votes:
This is what the world does to make Christianity seem odd or weird. Not one inch of this is real. Not one inch of this has to do with real Christianity. It all has to do with you asshats that feel you MUST dog Christianity for some jackass reason. If this were against homosexuality, it would be different. You all would be up in arms....morons
2012-10-11 09:06:55 PM
2 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


The only person who claims "God himself" said that is Moses, according to the Book of Leviticus, as part of the Holiness Code. The Holiness Code was, according to most Biblical scholars, tacked onto Leviticus, and most likely came from priestly conversations.

In other words, no, "God himself" probably said nothing on the subject. It's hearsay. You're reading ecclesiastical anecdotes compiled and added to an existing book, which in turn was rolled into the Old Testament, which in turn was added to the Bible.

Even the folks who first included Leviticus as part of their belief system disagree on whether homosexual intercourse should be allowed, and have basically said "if you're an Orthodox Jew, no - otherwise, yes."

You're not an Orthodox Jew, so...
2012-10-11 09:05:25 PM
2 votes:

Jclark666: Wait... so you can choose to be gay, after all?


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2012-10-11 09:05:01 PM
2 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


do you refrain from eating shellfish and figs?
2012-10-11 09:04:25 PM
2 votes:
I think this guy is gay, he just can't admit it.
2012-10-11 08:59:59 PM
2 votes:

Erebus1954: And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.


They'd hate it. There are plenty of people around who belittle religious individuals simply based on that quality. A lot are on Fark, actually.

/"stop thinking what I don't think!"
2012-10-11 08:51:56 PM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: ProfessorOhki: - Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."



Ah, he only put the head in.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2012-10-11 08:40:30 PM
2 votes:
The Cross and the Closet hmm, referencing the The Cross and the Switchblade I guess.
 
I suppose it beats Bareback Like Me referencing the other "great" undercover "brother" book Black Like Me.
2012-10-11 08:19:06 PM
2 votes:

ProfessorOhki: - Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."



Ah, he only put the head in.
2012-10-11 08:16:47 PM
2 votes:
That's pretty damned fabulous.
2012-10-11 07:19:06 PM
2 votes:
Hero tag asks for proof.
2012-10-12 03:18:35 PM
1 votes:

SquiggsIN: wambu: Some people will use any excuse to suck a dick.

trying to be funny? or just a gigantic asshole? not sure which.


This is FARK, you nattering nitwit. That should give you a clue.

i.imgur.com
2012-10-12 12:51:50 PM
1 votes:
So he bore false witness and disrespected his parents. That's a stonin'.
2012-10-12 10:36:16 AM
1 votes:

Dansker: 99.998er: Hardly deserving of a Hero tag. Too bad there is not a self serving, self promoting douche bag tag. If he is such a great guy, then why would he have to go to such great lengths to prove it?

I don't see where he claims to be a particularly great guy. He clearly admits that he was wrong about things, and that he needed to change and overcome some prejudices to be a better person. Breaking the mental programming of childhood religious indoctrination can take dramatic measures, and it sounds like he did what he felt was necessary for him to free his mind and grow as a human being. Good for him.
As you demonstrate, understanding other people and their conditions can be difficult for even the most self-righteous among us.

Some of us go quietly in life excepting people as they are anyway.

Right. By calling them douche bags. Quiet acceptance.

What? Should I do an Al Jolson thing and live in the hood just to prove I respect blacks?

Has anyone suggested you should? Were you raised in a culture that disapproves of black people?
People are different, they learn about the world in different ways, and take all kinds of different paths through their lives. What works for one guy to bring him some form of enlightenment in no way obligates you to copy him. Especially if that's not the kind of lesson you need.

Do it in the first place, dick.

That's not quietly accepting people as they are. Agressively telling him how he should be is exactly the opposite of quietly accepting people as they are.


OK...I stand corrected. I do not quietly accept people. However, I do accept people. Even overbearing sanctimonious ones like yourself. My life is not a popularity contest. I call a spade a spade. If this adult guy feels the need to spend a year out of his life to prove a point, that is his deal, not mine. I am less than perfect. I am a booze hound and a womanizer. My parents were less than perfect, but as an adult I learned how to make my own choices without the need for a bullhorn to proclaim them. I walk through life knowing people are just people, many of which I do not agree or even like. I am not Jesus, so I do not have to love the guy at the bar loudly arguing Bush was the greatest president ever. Do I want to cock punch him? Hell yes!!! Do I actually do it? No, he has a right to his opinion.

My point is that most people do not have to climb mountains to find themselves or find the difference of what is right and what is wrong. I find both in every day life. Even here on Fark!

On a side note, the guy is gay. Not that I care, but nobody spends a year of their life just to see what it is like. That is just myquiet observation.
2012-10-12 05:57:29 AM
1 votes:
FTA:
...Now 26 and no longer homophobic, Kurek writes about his journey...

Homophobic. Uh-huh. No, this is not homophobia. This is a couple of degenerate hillbillies who raised their son to hate a group of people. This was not his fault. This was not a character defect. His parents abused him. Good on him for escaping their BS.
2012-10-12 04:46:57 AM
1 votes:

99.998er: Hardly deserving of a Hero tag. Too bad there is not a self serving, self promoting douche bag tag. If he is such a great guy, then why would he have to go to such great lengths to prove it?


I don't see where he claims to be a particularly great guy. He clearly admits that he was wrong about things, and that he needed to change and overcome some prejudices to be a better person. Breaking the mental programming of childhood religious indoctrination can take dramatic measures, and it sounds like he did what he felt was necessary for him to free his mind and grow as a human being. Good for him.
As you demonstrate, understanding other people and their conditions can be difficult for even the most self-righteous among us.

Some of us go quietly in life excepting people as they are anyway.

Right. By calling them douche bags. Quiet acceptance.

What? Should I do an Al Jolson thing and live in the hood just to prove I respect blacks?

Has anyone suggested you should? Were you raised in a culture that disapproves of black people?
People are different, they learn about the world in different ways, and take all kinds of different paths through their lives. What works for one guy to bring him some form of enlightenment in no way obligates you to copy him. Especially if that's not the kind of lesson you need.

Do it in the first place, dick.

That's not quietly accepting people as they are. Agressively telling him how he should be is exactly the opposite of quietly accepting people as they are.
2012-10-12 04:29:56 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: kingoomieiii: ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.

He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.

Right back at you, sweetheart.

You can deny it all you like, but Savage said it, it's on record, you can watch it on youtube, so your historical revision is pretty damn feeble.

Moreover, Savage is a colossal asshat who really only cares about gay men and dicks over (pun intended) the lbtq part of lgbtq. I don't even care as much about what Savage says about Christians or Christianty as I do his general tendency to sell everyone else down the river.


His columns helped me a lot as a straight female whose sex ed consisted of my Roman Catholic Mom making my brother and I watch a public library PBS VHS from the early 90s.

She tried, I'll give her that. The reason no questions asked infant drop places exist in my state is largely bc of a girl and boy one year older than myself... but Savage filled in the gaps as far as healthy relationships go that my Mom couldn't.
2012-10-12 04:15:30 AM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Ennuipoet: Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)

Actually, it's not a bad idea. The lack of empathy our society has pushed for the last half-century or so makes it hard for someone to truly "walk a mile in someone else's shoes," at least as a mental exercise - increasingly, folks just can't do it. Combine that lack of empathy with the gradual and corresponding lack of sympathy, and, yes, for some folks, this is a worthwhile exercise.


Agreed.

Knew a 18 yo gay kid who as a young tyke aspired to be a minister in his Michigan Bible Belt church. Thankfully his parents were the type of decent folk who loved their son as-is, but it killed him that the church he had dedicated his life to - that he was willing to donate the rest of his life to - flat out disavowed him.

For what it's worth last I heard his Mom left the church too, and he was doing ok albeit still trying to find his sea legs.
2012-10-12 03:36:55 AM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.

He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.


Right back at you, sweetheart.

You can deny it all you like, but Savage said it, it's on record, you can watch it on youtube, so your historical revision is pretty damn feeble.

Moreover, Savage is a colossal asshat who really only cares about gay men and dicks over (pun intended) the lbtq part of lgbtq. I don't even care as much about what Savage says about Christians or Christianty as I do his general tendency to sell everyone else down the river.
2012-10-12 03:04:22 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.


He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.
2012-10-12 02:50:29 AM
1 votes:

Oakenshield: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

0/10. Too obvious- the paragraph break before the final statement was a rookie move.


From the number of bites he got you may need to revise your score.
2012-10-12 02:31:30 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: alienated: WhyteRaven74
as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.Sigh. No love for the trans who want to get married and cant change their gender marker on documents .. ?

That varies a lot from place to place, but if you're talking about the USA, there's only three states that flat-out won't change your sex on a birth certificate (unless I'm missing something or Wikipedia is lying to me). My understanding is, once your birth certificate is taken care of, everything else usually falls into line without too much trouble.

Of course, many states do require that you undergo surgery first, and that's an insurmountable obstacle for some transsexuals.

Though I seem to recall a news story about a transwoman who faced opposition from the DMV even after she presented her corrected birth certificate. I don't recall the details offhand.


Their was also a story it's an old one (so I don't have a link) of a woman married for 15 years or so, and after her husbands death inheritance rights were overturned by a Texas court when challenged by the deceased husbands son because the woman was trans.
/Equality for all
//Just sayin'
2012-10-12 01:27:26 AM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Slam1263: MayContainHorseGluten: Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.

uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!

Uh, you don't know many queers, do you Sweetie?

He's talking about all of those family-values republicans who end up being gay.


I'll just leave this here:
www.afterelton.com
2012-10-12 01:05:02 AM
1 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: /Oh, and I'm not in any letter of LGBT unless you add an A for those people that add "ally". Ally to humanity instead of God


For someone who's not gay themself, you seem awfully sure how I should feel about Christians.

I'll make up my own mind, thank you, and you can go be somebody else's "ally."
2012-10-12 12:44:08 AM
1 votes:

Slam1263: MayContainHorseGluten: Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.

uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!

Uh, you don't know many queers, do you Sweetie?


He's talking about all of those family-values republicans who end up being gay.
2012-10-12 12:43:36 AM
1 votes:

Slam1263: queers,


Something tells me intellect is not your strong suit.
2012-10-12 12:41:37 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: implying all religious people are stupid and intolerant


Nobody said all religious people are intolerant.

Insisting that your imaginary friend is real, well, yeah, that's kind of prima facie evidence of stupidity and/or mental illness.
2012-10-12 12:36:09 AM
1 votes:

Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.


uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!
2012-10-12 12:34:00 AM
1 votes:

steamingpile: quit biatching about a very few who complain


I'll quit biatching as soon as there's nowhere in the US where you can be fired for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, when there's nowhere in the US where you can be denied housing for same, and as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.
2012-10-12 12:18:48 AM
1 votes:

steamingpile: You can't say the same for Christianity, but then its free to bash on one and not the other....


No. They're both piece of shiat idiologies that need to die.
But please, continue on your "waa Christians are so oppressed!" crusade. It pleases me. Cry some more.
2012-10-12 12:06:59 AM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: Bingo, scam all the way.

Yes because the book couldn't possibly have anything worth while to say. BTW you suck at football analysis.


No it couldn't, but then I have known more of what gay Christians would say over what a guy who went into it closed minded since I have been to my sisters gay church at her request.

This is an attention whore doing a money grab, nothing more, tolerant or gay churches are nothing new unless you believe mainstream media who say all churches say gays are the devil.
2012-10-11 11:59:55 PM
1 votes:

Gestankfaust: Not one inch of this has to do with real Christianity


Real Christianity, giving without hesitation, always being kind and generous, always acting with empathy being filled always with compassion.
2012-10-11 11:44:48 PM
1 votes:

shivashakti: Mija: Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin.

You mean like hatred? Jesus was pretty clear about compassion.


Seems to me like any other philosophy/lifestyle (vegan, blue/red, any religion) most of the people forgot what they collectively thought, or never knew in the first place, and make up their own mess.
2012-10-11 11:43:04 PM
1 votes:

steamingpile: Oh suck dick, but be honest, not the whole "I'm straight but pretended to have a black BF for a year" because I'm sure he was celibate for a year.
Quit lying, he's gay and wants to make money.


Just because you're naturally dishonest and conniving doesn't mean everyone is.
2012-10-11 11:22:16 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Gestankfaust: More people that never read the bible...


Look, if you want to know, then try to know. But you people dont. You'd rather just make fun and/or show your ignorance...

Not sure if serious.

Yes, I have read the bible. Nothing convinced me more to give up my Christianity than actually reading that book that preachers shouted at me while gesturing with.

The Old Testament is hideously outdated in regards to modern life (including God being outright evil in the Book of Job.) It sickens met to think about Job's family massacred just to make life tough on Job just as a test of faith to win an argument with Satan.

If God loved all mankind, like people try to claim, why did he only reveal himself to one little tribe in the Middle East? The countless souls on so many continents that would die and go to hell for no fault of their own. Yeah, I know some denominations try to come up with some argument about limbo, saying they don't really go to hell. . .but the bible doesn't support that.

Then throw in the New Testament, where Jesus generally tells a pretty good message. . .which Paul et al. immediately come in behind him and basically fold, spindle and mutilate in their own images. The four Gospels are the only really redeeming part of that book. Everything before or after is rubbish.

I used to be a Christian. Used to be. Had the whole Evangelical "salvation" experience, professed my faith, accepted Jesus. Was a good little Southern Baptist for a few years. Then I started reading the bible more closely, I started studying theology, I started studying history, and my Christian faith basically disintegrated the more I learned, it was like seeing through a scam.


calling BS. You might have heard that there are tons of inconsistencies, that it contradicts itself nonstop, that you can't possibly follow it, but those things aren't true.
2012-10-11 11:19:29 PM
1 votes:
Article Summary: "Buy my book!"
2012-10-11 11:06:37 PM
1 votes:
He chose today, National Coming Out Day and LGBT National History Month, to launch book sales . . .


sort of says it all as far as I'm concerned. So yes, I do doubt his sincerity at all levels.

To me, sincerity is worn not spoken so.
2012-10-11 10:52:16 PM
1 votes:
Some people will use any excuse to suck a dick.
2012-10-11 10:51:31 PM
1 votes:
This guy is gayer than Richard Simmons' dick. He just wanted to give it a trial run before coming out for real.
2012-10-11 10:45:34 PM
1 votes:

ciberido:
Well, since you asked, you're a pretty good example, actually. Calling religious people "farktards," implying all religious people are stupid and intolerant, refusing to accept that some Christians are gay-positive, denying that anybody on your side of the aisle has ever or could ever do anything that added to the animosity, that kind of thing.

Dan Savage is another example.

I understand it's natural to be angry and bitter. The LBGTQ community has got a lot to be angry and bitter about. But anger can only take you so far, and bitterness is counterproductive.


If I hurt someone's feelings by saying "hey, this fight is one-sided" then I don't know what to say.

These are people that condemn homosexuals to misery at best, with torture and death at worst. They speak for God as much as you or any book.
If I hurt someone's feelings by saying "hey, this fight is one-sided" then I don't know what to say.

Money is still being spent today in Africa, with money from the enlightened West, to increase persecution against homosexuals- including the death penalty.
The Catholic Church... well, we all know about that. I'll just remind you that they have campaigns for restricting access to contraception in Africa, like condoms. God loves AIDS.

If I hurt someone's feelings by saying "hey, this fight is one-sided" then I don't know what to say.
We are doomed to go through these pangs until people live for today instead of a paradise promised to them once they die.


/Oh, and I'm not in any letter of LGBT unless you add an A for those people that add "ally". Ally to humanity instead of God
2012-10-11 10:28:32 PM
1 votes:
Wow ... it took him a year undercover to learn something that is obvious to people who's minds are not twisted by religion.
2012-10-11 10:23:02 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: God-is-a-Taco: Oh bullshiat. What has the LGBT community done wrong? (not including the closeted self-hating ones inb positions of power)
It's on your side of the aisle, religious farktards.

There's some who tend to be a bit... Down towards all Christians.


Why wouldn't they be? Many have friends that committed suicide after "Christian Love" sent a strong message that their life had no value and that they do not deserve protection under any law.

Next you're going to tell me Jews weren't big fans of Hitler.
GODWIN'D BEEYOTCH
2012-10-11 10:22:58 PM
1 votes:
This guy sounds like he's gay, and after living that life for a year decided that he changed his mind and wanted cover to explain his behavior. Somehow i can this guy telling everyone "fooled ya!".

The only person this guy fooled was himself.
2012-10-11 10:15:56 PM
1 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


The Bible is also clear on what clothing you should wear. Tell me, is there ointment on your head RIGHT NOW? Are you wearing only white garments? Or are you a giant farking hypocrite?
2012-10-11 10:10:54 PM
1 votes:

Erebus1954: And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.


Well, in certain areas of the world that strategy would be useful to hold down a job and avoid being prosecuted or persecuted for being gay, atheist or both. Being beaten to death behind a Tastee-Freeze by a gang of redneck mouth-breathers in rural Oklahoma probably sucks as far as life experiences go.
2012-10-11 09:43:59 PM
1 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


No, it's not:
Link
2012-10-11 09:38:02 PM
1 votes:
Yea that is pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus would do. Ok maybe not pretend he was gay, but hang out with people everyone else hates? Yep.

Personally, I don't give two shiats about what the Bible says. How about we treat all people like human beings?
2012-10-11 09:30:01 PM
1 votes:
Who does he think he is? Huston Smith?

Just kidding. I'm always impressed when anyone ever does actually walk a mile in someone else's shoes.
2012-10-11 09:27:04 PM
1 votes:
What a great dude. Someone buy him a Christian beer.
2012-10-11 09:26:26 PM
1 votes:
In other news, he has a book for sale!

Heavens, just think what would have been the reaction sales if he wrote:

"pretended I was ghey, overwhelming reaction was BFD."

Buy my book! sheep.
2012-10-11 09:21:53 PM
1 votes:
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes (regardless of how fabulous those shoes are) and you have a different opinion.

Good on this guy. Not that he'll change any minds on the "Conservative Christian" side, but good on him for at least having an open mind.
2012-10-11 09:20:29 PM
1 votes:

kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.

It's being an asshat.


I disagree. He took a very big, personal risk to do something good for others. I'm not saying he deserves the CMoH, but it certainly qualifies as heroic in my opinion.
2012-10-11 09:10:35 PM
1 votes:

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Bullshait
2012-10-11 09:03:11 PM
1 votes:
Hero? Living like a sodomite is heroic?
2012-10-11 09:02:58 PM
1 votes:
Wait... so you can choose to be gay, after all?
2012-10-11 09:02:07 PM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: dooshbag


douchebag, Douchebag.
2012-10-11 08:59:49 PM
1 votes:
"Straight Christian lives for a whole year as a gay person"

www.rccrawler.com
2012-10-11 08:21:18 PM
1 votes:
Story won't load for me. How deep undercover did he go? Did he give up the rusty wagonwheel?
2012-10-11 07:38:53 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Eventually the initial "revulsion" disappeared, according to Kurek. "Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Dumbass, even Jesus said you're supposed to turn the other cheek.


But later, I learned to enjoy being sexually assaulted!
 
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