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2012-10-12 01:08:05 AM
So where are the publishing contract for the folks who had to pretend to be straight?

"After the 7th 'inning', they don't serve any more drinks, but by then, I could scarcely keep down the cheap, overpriced swill they were calling beer. I tried to distract myself by getting into arguments with some cute guys nearby and when that didn't work, channeled my frustrated libido into overly dramatic, emotionally self-abusive makeout sessions with my beard 'Darlene'..."
 
2012-10-12 01:08:09 AM

God-is-a-Taco: tinfoil-hat maggie:
I always heard it started as a matriarchal religion and knew it became poly but really haven't looked into it even that far.
/Thanks

Oh, you probably mean uhh... hmm... what was her name? Ashera, astarte? Aserah...
I think that was one of the most beloved goddesses. 

I think she might be the one that turned into the wife of Yahweh at same point until the Jews turned monotheistic. I think Fark even had a link on her recently.


I think that's it. Really it's the same goddess throughout the Mediterranean region, and if IRCC it wasn't until tribes went warlike they shifted focus to Paternal gods for help in battle versus fertility.
/Been a long time since I did any reading on this stuff.
 
2012-10-12 01:12:36 AM

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: quit biatching about a very few who complain

I'll quit biatching as soon as there's nowhere in the US where you can be fired for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, when there's nowhere in the US where you can be denied housing for same, and as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.


The fair housing law prevents that, so people are free to do what the will but get their asses sued off, so pretty much you cant ban people for living anywhere in the US right now and as far as the firing for being gay, there are laws preventing that as well and people get sued for that all the time, the ones who people say were fired for being gay really end up being for something else but its sexy to say they were fired for being gay since that invokes other laws.

Cite incidences and not just my friend got fired from a coffee shop for being gay and refusing the advances of the owner.......

God-is-a-Taco: Well played, sir.
You've controlled the rest of the thread I've noticed, but this is a string that gets cut right now.

If I didn't see the other conversations in the thread I would still be argumentative with you, so for that I will say you got me.


And again, no refuting of the argument, I love when a point is made people on fark instantly revert to calling it a troll so they dont have to address the fact they are 100% wrong.

I will start by providing actual links even though I have no clue about this site Link thingee.

Bottom line is christians are a lot more tolerant than muslims are of gays, well those over in certain parts of the world, I dont understand why people refuse to acknowledge that fact and just want to scream "buttttt christians suck toooooooooooooooooo!"

Sure they do but for other reasons, in countries where its the predominate religion there are very few murders of people for being gay.

Whats ironic is that I am sure Im labeled as christian on fark and I have been living unmarried for years, sex for years with no procreation, drinking, drugs, no church attendance, no tithing, all of which would be severe crimes in countries controlled by other religions.....

Im not religious or trolling, I am pointing out obvious points that people seem to ignore. Im sorry if muslims in this nation want to ignore or bury them from the public but if you shame these people then maybe shiat will change, until then they seem to be condoning their actions while being in fear that any condemnation of the religion will result in attacks.

One religion people are fearful of....ask yourself why.
 
2012-10-12 01:12:36 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-12 01:15:01 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie:
I think that's it. Really it's the same goddess throughout the Mediterranean region, and if IRCC it wasn't until tribes went warlike they shifted focus to Paternal gods for help in battle versus fertility.


Yeah.
It may sound strange to people to have interchangeable gods but then you can mention Greek and Roman mythology and it makes more sense.

ciberido:
For someone who's not gay themself, you seem awfully sure how I should feel about Christians.

I'll make up my own mind, thank you, and you can go be somebody else's "ally."



You're entitled to your beliefs.
I won't say any more.
 
2012-10-12 01:19:28 AM

steamingpile:
WhyteRaven74: Uganda is 85% Christian and passed a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death....

Sure they do, but my point was to name the last time that happened, in Iraq it happened last year and if stats are to be believed the Iraqi government says 100% of their population is straight, you and I both know statistics wont allow that to happen........


While not technically state sanctioned (although I couldn't determine if that was a requirement of this question or not), the answer to your question would appear to be 2011, at least in Uganda:

One prominent Ugandan gay activist, David Kato, was murdered in January 2011, after a Ugandan magazine published a list of prominent gay rights activists and their contact details, with a banner over the photos that urged, "Hang Them".

Link to article

\ Yes I read the article
\\ Yes I am aware it primarily focuses on executions being carried out by nations using sharia law.
\\\ Simply addressing the point where you asked for the last time it happened
 
2012-10-12 01:26:29 AM

Fury Pilot: Link to article

\ Yes I read the article
\\ Yes I am aware it primarily focuses on executions being carried out by nations using sharia law.
\\\ Simply addressing the point where you asked for the last time it happened


I get that, my point was they were trying to say christians were just as bad but they are not, killing for being gay or adultery or daring to have a female act like shes equal is predominately muslim in nations close to modern, I have yet to see where christians have killed any person for being gay in a modern country. People keep citing africa or uganda specifically but they fail to mention that people over there also think having sex with a virgin is a cure for aids.
 
2012-10-12 01:27:14 AM

steamingpile:
Bottom line is christians are a lot more tolerant than muslims are of gays, well those over in certain parts of the world, I dont understand why people refuse to acknowledge that fact and just want to scream "buttttt christians suck toooooooooooooooooo!"


I will take back my troll remark for now, but I am still suspicious.


I hope you don't think I view any Abrahamic religion different from the other ones.
Although, I will say the Muslims are more prone to violence lately.

What exactly are you after? A record of people killed for being gay, for Christian reasons?
I'm not sure their laws specifically state "Killed for being gay, because of Christianity"?

Alright, I'll do some searching.
 
2012-10-12 01:27:26 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Slam1263: MayContainHorseGluten: Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.

uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!

Uh, you don't know many queers, do you Sweetie?

He's talking about all of those family-values republicans who end up being gay.


I'll just leave this here:
www.afterelton.com
 
2012-10-12 01:29:56 AM

God-is-a-Taco: tinfoil-hat maggie:
I think that's it. Really it's the same goddess throughout the Mediterranean region, and if IRCC it wasn't until tribes went warlike they shifted focus to Paternal gods for help in battle versus fertility.


Yeah.
It may sound strange to people to have interchangeable gods but then you can mention Greek and Roman mythology and it makes more sense.

ciberido:
For someone who's not gay themself, you seem awfully sure how I should feel about Christians.

I'll make up my own mind, thank you, and you can go be somebody else's "ally."


You're entitled to your beliefs.
I won't say any more.


As for me I'll take Dionysus and Ceridwen, yea, cross mythologies :)
/Not really agnostic
 
2012-10-12 01:33:29 AM

God-is-a-Taco: What exactly are you after? A record of people killed for being gay, for Christian reasons?
I'm not sure their laws specifically state "Killed for being gay, because of Christianity"?

Alright, I'll do some searching.


My point is that in modern times it just doesnt happen in any civilized world in the name of religion, sure they may biatch, whine, and moan about them getting married but thats not even close to killing them no matter what people may say or believe.....

Most religions are founded and based in a persons weak thought processes, which is why someone being gay and happy is not something most non-gay people can wrap their heads around, I have never been one to judge what makes a person happy, if they are a friend of mine then Im free to voice my opinion but its not my call to say what makes that person whole.
 
2012-10-12 01:36:56 AM

steamingpile: ReverendJasen: No. They're both piece of shiat idiologies that need to die.
But please, continue on your "waa Christians are so oppressed!" crusade. It pleases me. Cry some more.

Sure but preaching out about one will get you killed in predominately ***************** nations, which one is that? Face it, one is a lot more tolerant but most refuse to admit that little fact.

WhyteRaven74: Uganda is 85% Christian and passed a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death....

Sure they do, but my point was to name the last time that happened, in Iraq it happened last year and if stats are to be believed the Iraqi government says 100% of their population is straight, you and I both know statistics wont allow that to happen........

Again, quit biatching about a very few who complain while most are accepting or at the least tolerant of gays, while another religion puts them to death with little evidence or trial, its easy to biatch while youre safe, hell the pics you used to have up on your profile would be evidence enough in Iraq and a lot of other places to have you put to death......... and judging by YOUR college football knowledge that would free up our threads for more knowledgeable discussions...........


yep, Uganda is a model of Christian tolerance.

Uganda gay rights activist David Kato killed

Link

The severed head of Ugandan LGBT rights activist Pasikali Kashusbe was found in a latrine on a farm in Uganda.

Link

A British theatre producer faces two years in jail after staging a play about being gay in Uganda.

Link
 
2012-10-12 01:41:21 AM
Alright, this isn't a murder statistic, but it's related (and I love linking this story)

Vatican opposing UN's strongly-worded letter about decriminalizing homosexuality/a>


The Family Research Council (and other insidious family or tradition "charities") use their money on campaigning in Uganda and other African nations to condemn homosexuality so strongly that the death penalty is the result
wiki
*Chick-fil-a controversy is related*

Here's a story of a Urganda publication creating a "homos to kill" list.
This particiular story is about a non-gay guy that defended gays being killed:

ny times


I'm not sure "people killed for being gay" is newsworthy in certain countries.
 
2012-10-12 01:42:20 AM

steamingpile: Fury Pilot: Link to article

\ Yes I read the article
\\ Yes I am aware it primarily focuses on executions being carried out by nations using sharia law.
\\\ Simply addressing the point where you asked for the last time it happened

I get that, my point was they were trying to say christians were just as bad but they are not, killing for being gay or adultery or daring to have a female act like shes equal is predominately muslim in nations close to modern, I have yet to see where christians have killed any person for being gay in a modern country. People keep citing africa or uganda specifically but they fail to mention that people over there also think having sex with a virgin is a cure for aids.


Matthew Shepard.

or are you going to find someway to make that not count?
 
2012-10-12 01:46:12 AM

steamingpile: Fury Pilot: Link to article

\ Yes I read the article
\\ Yes I am aware it primarily focuses on executions being carried out by nations using sharia law.
\\\ Simply addressing the point where you asked for the last time it happened

I get that, my point was they were trying to say christians were just as bad but they are not, killing for being gay or adultery or daring to have a female act like shes equal is predominately muslim in nations close to modern, I have yet to see where christians have killed any person for being gay in a modern country. People keep citing africa or uganda specifically but they fail to mention that people over there also think having sex with a virgin is a cure for aids.


No need to convince me, I haven't really been following any of the discussion and I generally maintain little interest in religion threads otherwise they just make me angry.
I just saw the question and was interested enough to want to know the answer so I went and looked for it.
 
2012-10-12 01:50:00 AM

steamingpile:

My point is that in modern times it just doesnt happen in any civilized world in the name of religion, sure they may biatch, whine, and moan about them getting married but thats not even close to killing them no matter what people may say or believe.....


What does it take for something to be done in the "name of religion"?
Religion has so much influence that a lot of people think morals can't even exist without it, that society would crumble without its tendrils sprawled into our institutions.

People see what they want to in these old books, and all interpretations are equally valid and factual.

And the "civilized world" is quite a small place, I should add.



Most religions are founded and based in a persons weak thought processes, which is why someone being gay and happy is not something most non-gay people can wrap their heads around, I have never been one to judge what makes a person happy, if they are a friend of mine then Im free to voice my opinion but its not my call to say what makes that person whole.

Of course. No disagreement there.
 
2012-10-12 01:51:49 AM
On that note, I shall go to bed.

We shall meet again in the next "wacky or violent event caused by religion" thread, which should be in a few hours or tomorrow. It never takes long.
 
2012-10-12 01:56:22 AM

Silverstaff: Gestankfaust: More people that never read the bible...


Look, if you want to know, then try to know. But you people dont. You'd rather just make fun and/or show your ignorance...

Not sure if serious.

Yes, I have read the bible. Nothing convinced me more to give up my Christianity than actually reading that book that preachers shouted at me while gesturing with.

The Old Testament is hideously outdated in regards to modern life (including God being outright evil in the Book of Job.) It sickens met to think about Job's family massacred just to make life tough on Job just as a test of faith to win an argument with Satan.

If God loved all mankind, like people try to claim, why did he only reveal himself to one little tribe in the Middle East? The countless souls on so many continents that would die and go to hell for no fault of their own. Yeah, I know some denominations try to come up with some argument about limbo, saying they don't really go to hell. . .but the bible doesn't support that.

Then throw in the New Testament, where Jesus generally tells a pretty good message. . .which Paul et al. immediately come in behind him and basically fold, spindle and mutilate in their own images. The four Gospels are the only really redeeming part of that book. Everything before or after is rubbish.

I used to be a Christian. Used to be. Had the whole Evangelical "salvation" experience, professed my faith, accepted Jesus. Was a good little Southern Baptist for a few years. Then I started reading the bible more closely, I started studying theology, I started studying history, and my Christian faith basically disintegrated the more I learned, it was like seeing through a scam.


I don't know that it was so much "like" seeing through a scam. It simply "was".
 
2012-10-12 01:57:04 AM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


The Bible also says women should shut the fark up about things like this. I think you need to be stoned (both with weeds and with little rocks that make you go OW"

Or are you a guy? 'Cuz then you are farked up in all sorts of ways biblically.
 
2012-10-12 02:02:01 AM
"Black like Me" and other experiments just don't capture both sides accurately. The subject goes in looking to be persecuted/offended etc. You can't go to Ireland and have the same rage against England as they do. You can't go to the Congo and feel what they feel. You know there's an end to you're program, there's no end to theirs. You're never going to truly know what it's like unless you truly are what you are.
 
2012-10-12 02:05:38 AM
WhyteRaven74
as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.Sigh. No love for the trans who want to get married and cant change their gender marker on documents .. ?
 
2012-10-12 02:08:19 AM
Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

Hah.Successful troll is successful .Well done Mija
 
2012-10-12 02:08:56 AM
This is f*cking not straight.
 
2012-10-12 02:12:04 AM

hbk72777: "Black like Me" and other experiments just don't capture both sides accurately. The subject goes in looking to be persecuted/offended etc. You can't go to Ireland and have the same rage against England as they do. You can't go to the Congo and feel what they feel. You know there's an end to you're program, there's no end to theirs. You're never going to truly know what it's like unless you truly are what you are.


So it's an approximation, it's imperfect, but it's better than nothing.

Self-Made Man is another book worth reading if you're interested in the "walk a mile in their shoes" sort of quasi-gonzo journalism.
 
2012-10-12 02:19:03 AM

alienated: WhyteRaven74
as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.Sigh. No love for the trans who want to get married and cant change their gender marker on documents .. ?


I think the idea is marriage equality for all no mater what letter some doctor stamped on you're birth certificate. It really shouldn't matter. Any person should be able to marry any other consenting person, regardless.
 
2012-10-12 02:20:25 AM

joonyer: This is f*cking not straight.


This straight didn't tell about his fu@king ;)
 
2012-10-12 02:21:16 AM

alienated: WhyteRaven74
as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.Sigh. No love for the trans who want to get married and cant change their gender marker on documents .. ?


That varies a lot from place to place, but if you're talking about the USA, there's only three states that flat-out won't change your sex on a birth certificate (unless I'm missing something or Wikipedia is lying to me). My understanding is, once your birth certificate is taken care of, everything else usually falls into line without too much trouble.

Of course, many states do require that you undergo surgery first, and that's an insurmountable obstacle for some transsexuals.

Though I seem to recall a news story about a transwoman who faced opposition from the DMV even after she presented her corrected birth certificate. I don't recall the details offhand.
 
2012-10-12 02:31:30 AM

ciberido: alienated: WhyteRaven74
as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.Sigh. No love for the trans who want to get married and cant change their gender marker on documents .. ?

That varies a lot from place to place, but if you're talking about the USA, there's only three states that flat-out won't change your sex on a birth certificate (unless I'm missing something or Wikipedia is lying to me). My understanding is, once your birth certificate is taken care of, everything else usually falls into line without too much trouble.

Of course, many states do require that you undergo surgery first, and that's an insurmountable obstacle for some transsexuals.

Though I seem to recall a news story about a transwoman who faced opposition from the DMV even after she presented her corrected birth certificate. I don't recall the details offhand.


Their was also a story it's an old one (so I don't have a link) of a woman married for 15 years or so, and after her husbands death inheritance rights were overturned by a Texas court when challenged by the deceased husbands son because the woman was trans.
/Equality for all
//Just sayin'
 
2012-10-12 02:36:53 AM
 
2012-10-12 02:50:29 AM

Oakenshield: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

0/10. Too obvious- the paragraph break before the final statement was a rookie move.


From the number of bites he got you may need to revise your score.
 
2012-10-12 02:58:21 AM

Langdon_777: He wants to break free.


Nice :)
 
2012-10-12 03:03:18 AM
Or is it really just the greatest cover story ever for a gay fling followed by a change of heart? I guess either way he is really good at deception.
 
2012-10-12 03:04:22 AM

ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.


He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.
 
2012-10-12 03:21:03 AM
Kinda stupid. Did he also live a year as an adulterer or ponzi scheme salesman or bank robber? Sin's still sin, although some sins carry civil penalties and others don't, but sin's still sin.
 
2012-10-12 03:23:27 AM

kingoomieiii: ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.

He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.


Seems a tad much and on the personal attack well, I'm not impressed.
 
2012-10-12 03:36:55 AM

kingoomieiii: ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.

He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.


Right back at you, sweetheart.

You can deny it all you like, but Savage said it, it's on record, you can watch it on youtube, so your historical revision is pretty damn feeble.

Moreover, Savage is a colossal asshat who really only cares about gay men and dicks over (pun intended) the lbtq part of lgbtq. I don't even care as much about what Savage says about Christians or Christianty as I do his general tendency to sell everyone else down the river.
 
2012-10-12 03:42:47 AM

ciberido: kingoomieiii: ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.

He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.

Right back at you, sweetheart.

You can deny it all you like, but Savage said it, it's on record, you can watch it on youtube, so your historical revision is pretty damn feeble.

Moreover, Savage is a colossal asshat who really only cares about gay men and dicks over (pun intended) the lbtq part of lgbtq. I don't even care as much about what Savage says about Christians or Christianty as I do his general tendency to sell everyone else down the river.


I'm curious, um , granted I only know Savage by name and haven't really read his stuff but what makes you think he only cares about gay males?

Also how do you personally reconcile your faith with a majority of the church leaders teachings?
 
2012-10-12 04:10:46 AM

Dansker: God-is-a-Taco:
These are people that condemn homosexuals to misery at best, with torture and death at worst.

That's idiotic. There are lots of religious people who don't condemn homosexuals, and wouldn't dream of torturing and killing them. Many actively support gay rights.



Yeah, like that wonderful Andrew Marin
http://www.signorile.com/2010/07/more-of-that-false-prophet.html
 
2012-10-12 04:15:30 AM

FormlessOne: Ennuipoet: Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)

Actually, it's not a bad idea. The lack of empathy our society has pushed for the last half-century or so makes it hard for someone to truly "walk a mile in someone else's shoes," at least as a mental exercise - increasingly, folks just can't do it. Combine that lack of empathy with the gradual and corresponding lack of sympathy, and, yes, for some folks, this is a worthwhile exercise.


Agreed.

Knew a 18 yo gay kid who as a young tyke aspired to be a minister in his Michigan Bible Belt church. Thankfully his parents were the type of decent folk who loved their son as-is, but it killed him that the church he had dedicated his life to - that he was willing to donate the rest of his life to - flat out disavowed him.

For what it's worth last I heard his Mom left the church too, and he was doing ok albeit still trying to find his sea legs.
 
2012-10-12 04:18:18 AM
Saying Christians are better that Muslims when it come to gays is like saying sever facial warts are better than leprosy
 
2012-10-12 04:21:31 AM

dumbobruni: steamingpile: Fury Pilot: Link to article

\ Yes I read the article
\\ Yes I am aware it primarily focuses on executions being carried out by nations using sharia law.
\\\ Simply addressing the point where you asked for the last time it happened

I get that, my point was they were trying to say christians were just as bad but they are not, killing for being gay or adultery or daring to have a female act like shes equal is predominately muslim in nations close to modern, I have yet to see where christians have killed any person for being gay in a modern country. People keep citing africa or uganda specifically but they fail to mention that people over there also think having sex with a virgin is a cure for aids.

Matthew Shepard.

or are you going to find someway to make that not count?


Beat me to the goddamn punch.

/straight
//love friends who are gay
///the married couple moved to Canada so if Andrew ended up in the ICU his family couldn't block his husband from visiting, amongst other denied rights in the good ol USA
////Miss them but don't blame them for moving when opportunity arose
 
2012-10-12 04:29:56 AM

ciberido: kingoomieiii: ciberido: Dan Savage is another example.

He said the Bible has bullshiat in it. I and nearly everyone in this thread will back him up 100 times on that point. And go fark yourself for saying the statement was anything more than that.

Right back at you, sweetheart.

You can deny it all you like, but Savage said it, it's on record, you can watch it on youtube, so your historical revision is pretty damn feeble.

Moreover, Savage is a colossal asshat who really only cares about gay men and dicks over (pun intended) the lbtq part of lgbtq. I don't even care as much about what Savage says about Christians or Christianty as I do his general tendency to sell everyone else down the river.


His columns helped me a lot as a straight female whose sex ed consisted of my Roman Catholic Mom making my brother and I watch a public library PBS VHS from the early 90s.

She tried, I'll give her that. The reason no questions asked infant drop places exist in my state is largely bc of a girl and boy one year older than myself... but Savage filled in the gaps as far as healthy relationships go that my Mom couldn't.
 
2012-10-12 04:46:57 AM

99.998er: Hardly deserving of a Hero tag. Too bad there is not a self serving, self promoting douche bag tag. If he is such a great guy, then why would he have to go to such great lengths to prove it?


I don't see where he claims to be a particularly great guy. He clearly admits that he was wrong about things, and that he needed to change and overcome some prejudices to be a better person. Breaking the mental programming of childhood religious indoctrination can take dramatic measures, and it sounds like he did what he felt was necessary for him to free his mind and grow as a human being. Good for him.
As you demonstrate, understanding other people and their conditions can be difficult for even the most self-righteous among us.

Some of us go quietly in life excepting people as they are anyway.

Right. By calling them douche bags. Quiet acceptance.

What? Should I do an Al Jolson thing and live in the hood just to prove I respect blacks?

Has anyone suggested you should? Were you raised in a culture that disapproves of black people?
People are different, they learn about the world in different ways, and take all kinds of different paths through their lives. What works for one guy to bring him some form of enlightenment in no way obligates you to copy him. Especially if that's not the kind of lesson you need.

Do it in the first place, dick.

That's not quietly accepting people as they are. Agressively telling him how he should be is exactly the opposite of quietly accepting people as they are.
 
2012-10-12 05:21:54 AM

suggiethames: Dansker: God-is-a-Taco:
These are people that condemn homosexuals to misery at best, with torture and death at worst.

That's idiotic. There are lots of religious people who don't condemn homosexuals, and wouldn't dream of torturing and killing them. Many actively support gay rights.



Yeah, like that wonderful Andrew Marin


Huh? Does that mean you disagree? I'm not following.
 
2012-10-12 05:57:29 AM
FTA:
...Now 26 and no longer homophobic, Kurek writes about his journey...

Homophobic. Uh-huh. No, this is not homophobia. This is a couple of degenerate hillbillies who raised their son to hate a group of people. This was not his fault. This was not a character defect. His parents abused him. Good on him for escaping their BS.
 
2012-10-12 06:35:29 AM

Moonlightfox: This is a couple of degenerate hillbillies who raised their son to hate a group of people.


Nowhere does it say he ever hated gay people, or that his parents raised him to.
Kurek had been homeschooled by parents who never taught him to shun or hate gay people and who admitted they had wrestled with the church's teaching on homosexuality.
 
2012-10-12 06:52:39 AM
And he just happens to be writing a book.

Get a jerb because Romney hates people like you.
 
2012-10-12 07:11:00 AM

Bigdogdaddy: And he just happens to be writing a book.


He happens to be interviewed because he published a book. Why are people acting like that is a revealing fact? Sharing your experience with the world doesn't make it worthless or dishonest. Writing a book doesn't make you a liar. Promoting your book doesn't make it untrue.
 
2012-10-12 08:24:30 AM

onyxruby: This guy sounds like he's gay, and after living that life for a year decided that he changed his mind and wanted cover to explain his behavior. Somehow i can this guy telling everyone "fooled ya!".

The only person this guy fooled was himself.


Yeah I figured this was just one guy who figured out you could go back into the closet, with a bit of story telling and a plausible reason. Most people won't buy it. Sure, he's writing a book- but writing a book isn't the same as written a book. Writing a book is a plausible story and he can bail on that later by saying there wasn't the interest in it that he thought there would be.
 
2012-10-12 08:36:03 AM

andyfromfl: calling BS. You might have heard that there are tons of inconsistencies, that it contradicts itself nonstop, that you can't possibly follow it, but those things aren't true.


1. God is satisfied with his works - Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works - Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples - 2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples - Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light - Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness - 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard - Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard - John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests - Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests - Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things - Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things - Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men - Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart - Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful - Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful - Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable - James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable - Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial - Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial - Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil - Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil - 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask - James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them - John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him - Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him - Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike - Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful - Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious - Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good - James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long - Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute - Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days - Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days - Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices - 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice - Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men - Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man - James 1:13

20. God cannot lie - Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive - 2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him - Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him - Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works - Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered - Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God - Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods - Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

24. Robbery commanded - Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden - Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

25. Lying approved and sanctioned - Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden - Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned - 2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden - Deut 23:7

27. Killing commanded - Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden - Ex 20:13

28. The blood-shedder must die - Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die - Gen 4:15

29. The making of images forbidden - Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded - Ex 25:18,20

30. Slavery and oppression ordained - Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden - Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

31. Improvidence enjoyed - Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned - 1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22

32. Anger approved - Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved - Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20

33. Good works to be seen of men - Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men - Matt 6:1

34. Judging of others forbidden - Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved - 1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12

35. Christ taught non-resistance - Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance - Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed - Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed - John 7:1

37. Public prayer sanctioned - 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved - Matt 6:5,6

38. Importunity in prayer commended - Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned - Matt 6:7,8

39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned - Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned - 1 Cor 11:14

40. Circumcision instituted - Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned - Gal 5:2

41. The Sabbath instituted - Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated - Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16

42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day - Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt - Deut 5:15

43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death - Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in the same - John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5

44. Baptism commanded - Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded - 1 Cor 1:17,14

45. Every kind of animal allowed for food - Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food - Deut 14:7,8

46. Taking of oaths sanctioned - Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden - Matt 5:34

47. Marriage approved - Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved - 1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8

48. Freedom of divorce permitted - Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted - Matt 5:32

49. Adultery forbidden - Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed - Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced - Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union - Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

51. A man may marry his brother's widow - Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow - Lev 20:21

52. Hatred to kindred enjoined - Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned - Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

53. Intoxicating beverages recommended - Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced - Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers and punish evil doers only - Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor - Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

55. Women's rights denied - Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed - Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

56. Obedience to masters enjoined - Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only - Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

57. There is an unpardonable sin - Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin - Acts 13:39
 
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