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2012-10-11 11:31:20 PM  

sumida sublight: steamingpile: Dansker: Marcintosh: He chose today, National Coming Out Day and LGBT National History Month, to launch book sales . . .


sort of says it all as far as I'm concerned. So yes, I do doubt his sincerity at all levels.

Having a sound publishing strategy means you're dishonest? I don't get it.

Its an ulterior motive.

So vote Republican.


That's a better alternative than having political correctness beaten over your head, you should read more Foucault. Silence through intimidation.
 
2012-10-11 11:34:33 PM  

steamingpile: Dansker: steamingpile: Dansker: Marcintosh: He chose today, National Coming Out Day and LGBT National History Month, to launch book sales . . .


sort of says it all as far as I'm concerned. So yes, I do doubt his sincerity at all levels.

Having a sound publishing strategy means you're dishonest? I don't get it.

Its an ulterior motive.

What, selling books? That's kinda the point of writing and publishing, so what's ulterior about it?

Ulterior in that he's really gay and is using this to make a few thousand.


Ah, ulterior because things you made up in your head.

This thread is totally pants.
 
2012-10-11 11:43:04 PM  

steamingpile: Oh suck dick, but be honest, not the whole "I'm straight but pretended to have a black BF for a year" because I'm sure he was celibate for a year.
Quit lying, he's gay and wants to make money.


Just because you're naturally dishonest and conniving doesn't mean everyone is.
 
2012-10-11 11:44:44 PM  

Dansker: steamingpile: Dansker: steamingpile: Dansker: Marcintosh: He chose today, National Coming Out Day and LGBT National History Month, to launch book sales . . .


sort of says it all as far as I'm concerned. So yes, I do doubt his sincerity at all levels.

Having a sound publishing strategy means you're dishonest? I don't get it.

Its an ulterior motive.

What, selling books? That's kinda the point of writing and publishing, so what's ulterior about it?

Ulterior in that he's really gay and is using this to make a few thousand.

Ah, ulterior because things you made up in your head.

This thread is totally pants.


Well he's trying to get in your pants.....

Ulterior in the fact he won't admit he's gay and used this book excuse as a test run, geez Fark people are usually more cynical. But since its about a politically correct topic you all jump on board.

Foucault would be proud his books are being proven 100% right.
 
2012-10-11 11:44:48 PM  

shivashakti: Mija: Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin.

You mean like hatred? Jesus was pretty clear about compassion.


Seems to me like any other philosophy/lifestyle (vegan, blue/red, any religion) most of the people forgot what they collectively thought, or never knew in the first place, and make up their own mess.
 
2012-10-11 11:52:41 PM  

andyfromfl: shivashakti: Mija: Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin.

You mean like hatred? Jesus was pretty clear about compassion.

Seems to me like any other philosophy/lifestyle (vegan, blue/red, any religion) most of the people forgot what they collectively thought, or never knew in the first place, and make up their own mess.


Jesus cannot hit a curve ball.
 
2012-10-11 11:53:21 PM  

Gestankfaust: More people that never read the bible...


Read the bible all you want.
You've never understood a word of it.
 
2012-10-11 11:54:29 PM  
It would be nice if the next button worked on my phone. Page one seemed to be goin interesting places though.
 
2012-10-11 11:56:03 PM  

Mija: says that no homosexual can go to heaven


Could you point out where the OT says anything about getting into heaven?
 
2012-10-11 11:57:21 PM  

steamingpile: Bingo, scam all the way.


Yes because the book couldn't possibly have anything worth while to say. BTW you suck at football analysis.
 
2012-10-11 11:59:55 PM  

Gestankfaust: Not one inch of this has to do with real Christianity


Real Christianity, giving without hesitation, always being kind and generous, always acting with empathy being filled always with compassion.
 
2012-10-12 12:00:15 AM  
Ok, looked it up on a desktop, not as informative as I'd hoped. But if young Christians are questioning the indoctrination to hate gay folks as the article claims, well that's nice.
 
2012-10-12 12:02:59 AM  

cryinoutloud: steamingpile: Oh suck dick, but be honest, not the whole "I'm straight but pretended to have a black BF for a year" because I'm sure he was celibate for a year.
Quit lying, he's gay and wants to make money.

Just because you're naturally dishonest and conniving doesn't mean everyone is.


Everyone in this thread is conniving, they are all human, all of us manipulate a situation to get what we want, otherwise we wouldn't be human.
 
2012-10-12 12:03:15 AM  

Dansker:
That's idiotic. There are lots of religious people who don't condemn homosexuals, and wouldn't dream of torturing and killing them. Many actively support gay rights.


All true Scotsman support LGBT.

-----
Calling people farktards and assuming they are evil and hateful because they hold some irrational but common belief is not being allied to humanity, when it is so very, very human to hold irrational beliefs.

Their actions and beliefs are harmful to humanity in general, but specifically to its progress towards better understanding the universe and fostering a peace among its denizens.
We will be having this fight against religion again shortly once gays can marry, but this time it will be transgenderism.
Sides will be taken, gods will be spoken for, and so much time will wasted.
Who knows what the fight will be after that?


steamingpile:
I can tell you what they have done wrong, trying to force people into acceptance.

You can't force acceptance, it has to be explained.


You seem to equate "force" with violence, but that's not the case. You can force it by making such outspoken opinions socially damaging.
You boycott their businesses; you create an environment where their loved ones "come out", you create uncertainty about their religious beliefs.

Or, you wait for the most devout to die off. That seems to work pretty well, too.


/Yeah, I'm feeling creative and dramatic today
 
2012-10-12 12:04:27 AM  

steamingpile:
Yeah Muslims have death for gays, not Christians, they just mock gays.


Sarcasm?
 
2012-10-12 12:06:59 AM  

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: Bingo, scam all the way.

Yes because the book couldn't possibly have anything worth while to say. BTW you suck at football analysis.


No it couldn't, but then I have known more of what gay Christians would say over what a guy who went into it closed minded since I have been to my sisters gay church at her request.

This is an attention whore doing a money grab, nothing more, tolerant or gay churches are nothing new unless you believe mainstream media who say all churches say gays are the devil.
 
2012-10-12 12:07:43 AM  

Misconduc: andyfromfl: shivashakti: Mija: Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin.

You mean like hatred? Jesus was pretty clear about compassion.

Seems to me like any other philosophy/lifestyle (vegan, blue/red, any religion) most of the people forgot what they collectively thought, or never knew in the first place, and make up their own mess.

Jesus cannot hit a curve ball.


Jesus is a good man, he no help me....
 
2012-10-12 12:10:14 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: steamingpile:
Yeah Muslims have death for gays, not Christians, they just mock gays.

Sarcasm?


Name the last time any gay was killed in the name of Christianity, I can tell you within the last year that gay men were put to death in Iraq for being gay.

You can't say the same for Christianity, but then its free to bash on one and not the other....

..
 
2012-10-12 12:12:21 AM  

ssssmashing: Hero? Living like a sodomite is heroic?


Actually, yes it is. Gay men (or straight men who are pretending to be gay) who take it up the butt so that another man can experience such wonderful pleasure are True American Heroestm. They are taking one for the team.
 
2012-10-12 12:18:48 AM  

steamingpile: You can't say the same for Christianity, but then its free to bash on one and not the other....


No. They're both piece of shiat idiologies that need to die.
But please, continue on your "waa Christians are so oppressed!" crusade. It pleases me. Cry some more.
 
2012-10-12 12:23:40 AM  

steamingpile: Name the last time any gay was killed in the name of Christianity,


Uganda is 85% Christian and passed a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death....
 
2012-10-12 12:24:20 AM  

ReverendJasen: But please, continue on your "waa Christians are so oppressed!" crusade. It pleases me. Cry some more.


He thinks you can determine who a better team is without two teams playing each other. The elevator, it does not reach the top floor.
 
2012-10-12 12:28:13 AM  
I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.
 
2012-10-12 12:29:15 AM  
If what you want is ethical behaviour, the motivation behind it shouldn't matter.

But because this guy is religiously motivated, quite a number of farkers don't care for his actions, or think they're invalid, somehow.

So now you're policing thought ... which, ironically, is what you feel the Christian right is doing.

Dunno how the clanging cognitive dissonance doesn't keep you up at night ... but you shine on, you crazy diamonds.
 
2012-10-12 12:30:04 AM  

Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.


They're called "Republicans" ...
 
2012-10-12 12:30:44 AM  

ciberido: FTA: He says he hopes to change minds, not just in the Christian community but in the LGBT one as well, and to bridge the divide in the debate over gay rights.

God-is-a-Taco: Oh bullshiat. What has the LGBT community done wrong? (not including the closeted self-hating ones inb positions of power)
It's on your side of the aisle, religious farktards.

Well, since you asked, you're a pretty good example, actually. Calling religious people "farktards," implying all religious people are stupid and intolerant, refusing to accept that some Christians are gay-positive, denying that anybody on your side of the aisle has ever or could ever do anything that added to the animosity, that kind of thing.

Dan Savage is another example.

I understand it's natural to be angry and bitter. The LBGTQ community has got a lot to be angry and bitter about. But anger can only take you so far, and bitterness is counterproductive.


Nicely said, I've been trying over the last few years to not to condemn Christens, it just seems every year a few of them, mostly ministers, preachers, etc try to make that really difficult. Granted I don't go seeking national news the way they do.
 
2012-10-12 12:31:39 AM  

ReverendJasen: No. They're both piece of shiat idiologies that need to die.
But please, continue on your "waa Christians are so oppressed!" crusade. It pleases me. Cry some more.


Sure but preaching out about one will get you killed in predominately ***************** nations, which one is that? Face it, one is a lot more tolerant but most refuse to admit that little fact.

WhyteRaven74: Uganda is 85% Christian and passed a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death....


Sure they do, but my point was to name the last time that happened, in Iraq it happened last year and if stats are to be believed the Iraqi government says 100% of their population is straight, you and I both know statistics wont allow that to happen........

Again, quit biatching about a very few who complain while most are accepting or at the least tolerant of gays, while another religion puts them to death with little evidence or trial, its easy to biatch while youre safe, hell the pics you used to have up on your profile would be evidence enough in Iraq and a lot of other places to have you put to death......... and judging by YOUR college football knowledge that would free up our threads for more knowledgeable discussions...........
 
2012-10-12 12:32:23 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Mija: says that no homosexual can go to heaven

Could you point out where the OT says anything about getting into heaven?


Weren't there a few people whisked up into heaven with out dying in the OT?
 
2012-10-12 12:34:00 AM  

steamingpile: quit biatching about a very few who complain


I'll quit biatching as soon as there's nowhere in the US where you can be fired for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, when there's nowhere in the US where you can be denied housing for same, and as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.
 
2012-10-12 12:36:09 AM  

Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.


uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!
 
2012-10-12 12:36:27 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Weren't there a few people whisked up into heaven with out dying in the OT?


Well there's a little rub, the Christian idea of heaven is a good deal different from the Jewish, particularly the OT Jewish idea. It's like asking someone who works at Target about a sale at WalMart.
 
2012-10-12 12:37:06 AM  

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: quit biatching about a very few who complain

I'll quit biatching as soon as there's nowhere in the US where you can be fired for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, when there's nowhere in the US where you can be denied housing for same, and as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.


And with all the same State and Federal rights my parents got, thank you.
 
2012-10-12 12:37:24 AM  

steamingpile:
Name the last time any gay was killed in the name of Christianity, I can tell you within the last year that gay men were put to death in Iraq for being gay.

You can't say the same for Christianity, but then its free to bash on one and not the other....


Well played, sir.
You've controlled the rest of the thread I've noticed, but this is a string that gets cut right now. 

If I didn't see the other conversations in the thread I would still be argumentative with you, so for that I will say you got me.

8/10
 
2012-10-12 12:38:41 AM  

MayContainHorseGluten: Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.

uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!


Uh, you don't know many queers, do you Sweetie?
 
2012-10-12 12:39:56 AM  

WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: Weren't there a few people whisked up into heaven with out dying in the OT?

Well there's a little rub, the Christian idea of heaven is a good deal different from the Jewish, particularly the OT Jewish idea. It's like asking someone who works at Target about a sale at WalMart.


I know, I know still never could figure it out. It's very unclear at least the stuff I read but who know's maybe Greek and Hebrew originals offer some clarification?
/Sorry:)
 
2012-10-12 12:41:37 AM  

ciberido: implying all religious people are stupid and intolerant


Nobody said all religious people are intolerant.

Insisting that your imaginary friend is real, well, yeah, that's kind of prima facie evidence of stupidity and/or mental illness.
 
2012-10-12 12:43:36 AM  

Slam1263: queers,


Something tells me intellect is not your strong suit.
 
2012-10-12 12:44:08 AM  

Slam1263: MayContainHorseGluten: Slam1263: I'll be more impressed if a queer could act like a straight Christian for a year.

But, I am kind of jaded.

uh, doesn't this happen... ALL THE TIME?!

Uh, you don't know many queers, do you Sweetie?


He's talking about all of those family-values republicans who end up being gay.
 
2012-10-12 12:49:26 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie:
I know, I know still never could figure it out. It's very unclear at least the stuff I read but who know's maybe Greek and Hebrew originals offer some clarification?
/Sorry:)


Well, Wikipedia has a link of the Canaanite gods if you want some starting points:
Link

I'm still trying to find a good book to read them all, so can't help you past that.
Mot was the god of death, though. You might be able to find some Jewish or Christian traditions originating from his followers.
 
2012-10-12 12:51:54 AM  

scalpod: Who does he think he is? Huston Smith?

Just kidding. I'm always impressed when anyone ever does actually walk a mile in someone else's shoes.


I have a gut feeling he was walking in his own shoes.
 
2012-10-12 12:52:45 AM  

clyph: ciberido: implying all religious people are stupid and intolerant

Nobody said all religious people are intolerant.

Insisting that your imaginary friend is real, well, yeah, that's kind of prima facie evidence of stupidity and/or mental illness.


Giggle, stop that, you're making me laugh and that would be intolerant ;)
/now laws passed against people that's just for there own good
//Bwahahaahaha
 
2012-10-12 12:56:07 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: tinfoil-hat maggie:
I know, I know still never could figure it out. It's very unclear at least the stuff I read but who know's maybe Greek and Hebrew originals offer some clarification?
/Sorry:)

Well, Wikipedia has a link of the Canaanite gods if you want some starting points:
Link

I'm still trying to find a good book to read them all, so can't help you past that.
Mot was the god of death, though. You might be able to find some Jewish or Christian traditions originating from his followers.


I always heard it started as a matriarchal religion and knew it became poly but really haven't looked into it even that far.
/Thanks
 
2012-10-12 01:01:12 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie:
I always heard it started as a matriarchal religion and knew it became poly but really haven't looked into it even that far.
/Thanks


Oh, you probably mean uhh... hmm... what was her name? Ashera, astarte? Aserah...
I think that was one of the most beloved goddesses. 

I think she might be the one that turned into the wife of Yahweh at same point until the Jews turned monotheistic. I think Fark even had a link on her recently.
 
2012-10-12 01:03:03 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Mot was the god of death, though. You might be able to find some Jewish or Christian traditions originating from his followers.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-12 01:04:13 AM  
Hardly deserving of a Hero tag. Too bad there is not a self serving, self promoting douche bag tag. If he is such a great guy, then why would he have to go to such great lengths to prove it? Some of us go quietly in life excepting people as they are anyway. What? Should I do an Al Jolson thing and live in the hood just to prove I respect blacks? Do it in the first place, dick.
 
2012-10-12 01:05:02 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: /Oh, and I'm not in any letter of LGBT unless you add an A for those people that add "ally". Ally to humanity instead of God


For someone who's not gay themself, you seem awfully sure how I should feel about Christians.

I'll make up my own mind, thank you, and you can go be somebody else's "ally."
 
2012-10-12 01:07:24 AM  
Wait, nevermind. It might be Allat (or whatever that's spelled/etc)
not sure if Fark will take kindly to linking to its weird symbols:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-l%C4%81t
link? 

So confusing.
 
2012-10-12 01:08:05 AM  
So where are the publishing contract for the folks who had to pretend to be straight?

"After the 7th 'inning', they don't serve any more drinks, but by then, I could scarcely keep down the cheap, overpriced swill they were calling beer. I tried to distract myself by getting into arguments with some cute guys nearby and when that didn't work, channeled my frustrated libido into overly dramatic, emotionally self-abusive makeout sessions with my beard 'Darlene'..."
 
2012-10-12 01:08:09 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: tinfoil-hat maggie:
I always heard it started as a matriarchal religion and knew it became poly but really haven't looked into it even that far.
/Thanks

Oh, you probably mean uhh... hmm... what was her name? Ashera, astarte? Aserah...
I think that was one of the most beloved goddesses. 

I think she might be the one that turned into the wife of Yahweh at same point until the Jews turned monotheistic. I think Fark even had a link on her recently.


I think that's it. Really it's the same goddess throughout the Mediterranean region, and if IRCC it wasn't until tribes went warlike they shifted focus to Paternal gods for help in battle versus fertility.
/Been a long time since I did any reading on this stuff.
 
2012-10-12 01:12:36 AM  

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: quit biatching about a very few who complain

I'll quit biatching as soon as there's nowhere in the US where you can be fired for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, when there's nowhere in the US where you can be denied housing for same, and as soon as gays and lesbians can be married.


The fair housing law prevents that, so people are free to do what the will but get their asses sued off, so pretty much you cant ban people for living anywhere in the US right now and as far as the firing for being gay, there are laws preventing that as well and people get sued for that all the time, the ones who people say were fired for being gay really end up being for something else but its sexy to say they were fired for being gay since that invokes other laws.

Cite incidences and not just my friend got fired from a coffee shop for being gay and refusing the advances of the owner.......

God-is-a-Taco: Well played, sir.
You've controlled the rest of the thread I've noticed, but this is a string that gets cut right now.

If I didn't see the other conversations in the thread I would still be argumentative with you, so for that I will say you got me.


And again, no refuting of the argument, I love when a point is made people on fark instantly revert to calling it a troll so they dont have to address the fact they are 100% wrong.

I will start by providing actual links even though I have no clue about this site Link thingee.

Bottom line is christians are a lot more tolerant than muslims are of gays, well those over in certain parts of the world, I dont understand why people refuse to acknowledge that fact and just want to scream "buttttt christians suck toooooooooooooooooo!"

Sure they do but for other reasons, in countries where its the predominate religion there are very few murders of people for being gay.

Whats ironic is that I am sure Im labeled as christian on fark and I have been living unmarried for years, sex for years with no procreation, drinking, drugs, no church attendance, no tithing, all of which would be severe crimes in countries controlled by other religions.....

Im not religious or trolling, I am pointing out obvious points that people seem to ignore. Im sorry if muslims in this nation want to ignore or bury them from the public but if you shame these people then maybe shiat will change, until then they seem to be condoning their actions while being in fear that any condemnation of the religion will result in attacks.

One religion people are fearful of....ask yourself why.
 
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