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2012-10-11 09:11:48 PM

nmemkha: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

Bullshait


You are an idiot
 
2012-10-11 09:11:51 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Yup. Eat shrimp, go to hell. Wear poly/cotton blend clothes, go to hell. Eat pork, go to hell. Eat a cheeseburger, go to hell. Refuse to marry your sister-in-law after your brother dies, go to hell. A raped woman refuses to marry her rapist, she goes to hell. Trim your beard, go to hell. Do almost anything on a Saturday, go to hell.

The "moral" laws of the Old Testament in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are widely ignored in modern society except where it just happens to coincide with modern "conservative" social values. If you happened to take multiple wives, as many prophets and holy men of the Old Testament did, you'd be decried as horribly immoral and sinful. . .never mind you're doing what the Bible said to do.

You're probably breaking some "go to hell" rule from the Old Testament.

This one just happens to condemn people who narrow-minded people find icky, so it's a nice justification for people desperate for one.
 
2012-10-11 09:13:07 PM
Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.

It's being an asshat.
 
2012-10-11 09:14:07 PM
I get to repeat a post.

If you spend a lifetime building boats, you're called a boat builder.
If you suck one cock....
 
2012-10-11 09:14:30 PM

Silverstaff: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

Yup. Eat shrimp, go to hell. Wear poly/cotton blend clothes, go to hell. Eat pork, go to hell. Eat a cheeseburger, go to hell. Refuse to marry your sister-in-law after your brother dies, go to hell. A raped woman refuses to marry her rapist, she goes to hell. Trim your beard, go to hell. Do almost anything on a Saturday, go to hell.

The "moral" laws of the Old Testament in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are widely ignored in modern society except where it just happens to coincide with modern "conservative" social values. If you happened to take multiple wives, as many prophets and holy men of the Old Testament did, you'd be decried as horribly immoral and sinful. . .never mind you're doing what the Bible said to do.

You're probably breaking some "go to hell" rule from the Old Testament.

This one just happens to condemn people who narrow-minded people find icky, so it's a nice justification for people desperate for one.


More people that never read the bible...


Look, if you want to know, then try to know. But you people dont. You'd rather just make fun and/or show your ignorance...
 
2012-10-11 09:15:08 PM
Are we sure it wasn't "Christian comes out as gay and gets so much pressure that he now claims it was just an elaborate study"?
 
2012-10-11 09:15:37 PM

NannyStatePark: Imagine truly believing hell is real and people you love are burning in torment forever. It's like they are giving themselves PTSD constantly. No wonder they are crazy. They deserve pity.


It's the carrot and the stick, in theological form. "If you misbehave here, you will suffer an eternity of torment. If you behave here, you will enjoy an eternity of happiness." For some folks, it never occurs to them to unyoke themselves from that cart - they pull the cart, knowing that if they're good, they will enjoy the carrot of Heaven, and if they're bad, they will suffer the stick of Hell, without ever understanding what it is, exactly, they're supposed to do to be good. Their book is riddled with inconsistencies and nigh-impossible scenarios, their clergy enjoy many of the things their lay followers aren't supposed to enjoy, and ultimately it matters not because there's no evidence of either carrot or stick - just the lurid threats, flowing praise, and somewhat polished propaganda urging the laity to believe in the carrot and the stick.

It's a fantastic schtick.
 
2012-10-11 09:16:38 PM
Memo to morons...the person was NOT a Christian...

We in the real world = not shocked

You = OMFG!!
 
2012-10-11 09:19:07 PM

God-is-a-Taco: He says he hopes to change minds, not just in the Christian community but in the LGBT one as well, and to bridge the divide in the debate over gay rights.

Oh bullshiat. What has the LGBT community done wrong?


Visit the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco and your question will be answered.
 
2012-10-11 09:19:11 PM

FormlessOne: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

The only person who claims "God himself" said that is Moses, according to the Book of Leviticus, as part of the Holiness Code. The Holiness Code was, according to most Biblical scholars, tacked onto Leviticus, and most likely came from priestly conversations.

In other words, no, "God himself" probably said nothing on the subject. It's hearsay. You're reading ecclesiastical anecdotes compiled and added to an existing book, which in turn was rolled into the Old Testament, which in turn was added to the Bible.

Even the folks who first included Leviticus as part of their belief system disagree on whether homosexual intercourse should be allowed, and have basically said "if you're an Orthodox Jew, no - otherwise, yes."

You're not an Orthodox Jew, so...


Strictly speaking, the only Jews Leviticus applies to are male descendants of the House of Levi.
 
2012-10-11 09:20:29 PM

kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.

It's being an asshat.


I disagree. He took a very big, personal risk to do something good for others. I'm not saying he deserves the CMoH, but it certainly qualifies as heroic in my opinion.
 
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2012-10-11 09:20:59 PM
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2012-10-11 09:21:17 PM

wildcardjack: I get to repeat a post.

If you spend a lifetime building boats, you're called a boat builder.
If you suck one cock....


You're a fabulous boat builder?
 
2012-10-11 09:21:53 PM
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes (regardless of how fabulous those shoes are) and you have a different opinion.

Good on this guy. Not that he'll change any minds on the "Conservative Christian" side, but good on him for at least having an open mind.
 
2012-10-11 09:24:33 PM

obamadidcoke: I think this guy is gay, he just can't admit it.


Bingo.

Would also like to punch him on general principle. Live Vincent Vega did.
 
2012-10-11 09:25:22 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


honey where do you get this "God himself says..."? did He say that to you? or are you referencing the Bible, a collection of letters and writings penned by educated men interested in growing their cult, their wealth, their holdings and their power?

gadian: KrispyKritter: dooshbag

douchebag, Douchebag.


i know! i stated in my Boobies i'm a dooshbag! it's one of the few things i have going for me. it's almost...a super-power. it's amazing to witness. people avoid me even from long distances and for great lengths of time.
 
2012-10-11 09:26:12 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ProfessorOhki: - Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."



Ah, he only put the head in.


Came to say this.
 
2012-10-11 09:26:26 PM
In other news, he has a book for sale!

Heavens, just think what would have been the reaction sales if he wrote:

"pretended I was ghey, overwhelming reaction was BFD."

Buy my book! sheep.
 
2012-10-11 09:27:04 PM
What a great dude. Someone buy him a Christian beer.
 
2012-10-11 09:29:35 PM

Gestankfaust: More people that never read the bible...


Look, if you want to know, then try to know. But you people dont. You'd rather just make fun and/or show your ignorance...


Not sure if serious.

Yes, I have read the bible. Nothing convinced me more to give up my Christianity than actually reading that book that preachers shouted at me while gesturing with.

The Old Testament is hideously outdated in regards to modern life (including God being outright evil in the Book of Job.) It sickens met to think about Job's family massacred just to make life tough on Job just as a test of faith to win an argument with Satan.

If God loved all mankind, like people try to claim, why did he only reveal himself to one little tribe in the Middle East? The countless souls on so many continents that would die and go to hell for no fault of their own. Yeah, I know some denominations try to come up with some argument about limbo, saying they don't really go to hell. . .but the bible doesn't support that.

Then throw in the New Testament, where Jesus generally tells a pretty good message. . .which Paul et al. immediately come in behind him and basically fold, spindle and mutilate in their own images. The four Gospels are the only really redeeming part of that book. Everything before or after is rubbish.

I used to be a Christian. Used to be. Had the whole Evangelical "salvation" experience, professed my faith, accepted Jesus. Was a good little Southern Baptist for a few years. Then I started reading the bible more closely, I started studying theology, I started studying history, and my Christian faith basically disintegrated the more I learned, it was like seeing through a scam.
 
2012-10-11 09:30:01 PM
Who does he think he is? Huston Smith?

Just kidding. I'm always impressed when anyone ever does actually walk a mile in someone else's shoes.
 
2012-10-11 09:31:02 PM

kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.
It's being an asshat.


Yeah, it would be a lot better if some actual gay person had to lie to his family for his entire life to keep from hurting their precious wittle feelings.
 
2012-10-11 09:32:59 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Actually, the Bible is quite clear that, of all the things God created in Genesis and said were good - heaven, earth, light, animals, plants, Adam, etc. - there was one thing and only one thing that he specified was "not good": being alone.
Genesis 1:18: The Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
Any Jew, Christian, or Muslim who argues against gay marriage, argues that gay people should "not act upon their desires" and be celibate, or argues that homosexuals shouldn't find a mate "suitable for him" is going directly against the explicit word of God in Genesis.
 
2012-10-11 09:33:47 PM
Gay people exist.
God does not.
Get over it.
 
2012-10-11 09:35:23 PM
 
2012-10-11 09:35:58 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.

It's being an asshat.

I disagree. He took a very big, personal risk to do something good for others. I'm not saying he deserves the CMoH, but it certainly qualifies as heroic in my opinion.


It's for the greater good.

/what he did to his family is unethical.
 
2012-10-11 09:36:33 PM

Jclark666: Wait... so you can choose to be gay, after all?

 
2012-10-11 09:38:02 PM
Yea that is pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus would do. Ok maybe not pretend he was gay, but hang out with people everyone else hates? Yep.

Personally, I don't give two shiats about what the Bible says. How about we treat all people like human beings?
 
2012-10-11 09:38:51 PM
"I'M BUYING THIS NEWSPAPER!"

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2012-10-11 09:38:51 PM
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2012-10-11 09:43:59 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


No, it's not:
Link
 
2012-10-11 09:44:31 PM

cryinoutloud: What a great dude. Someone buy him a Christian beer.



how about I just get him a bottle of Dasani and let his friend Jesus do the rest?
 
2012-10-11 09:46:20 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


I have read the Bible cover to cover several times. I have a couple of them handy. Would you please point out the passage I missed on this subject?
Much like the old saw, "God helps those who help themselves" it is not there. If you take bits and pieces out of context and string them together, whatever you want to say with religious authority is attributable.
It would be greatly appreciated if you actually gave the passage in total not the random bits that support your poisonous ideas. You know contiguous verses in context.
 
2012-10-11 09:46:30 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Imagine a world where God does not exist. Farkers have real estate there. Unless you are a troll, you might want to stop lurking here because I credit Fark debate for my agnostic views and changing attitudes.

Why would a loving God create a gay person in their image and set them up for a life of misery, death by stoning and eternity in hell? Why set us up to need his son to die at all? Because some minx ate a fruit? If I were God, I wouldn't hand over my creation to Satan without some moves that left no doubt in anyone's mind I was up there.
 
2012-10-11 09:47:54 PM

DownDaRiver: So, you do and can choose to be or not.


There is no do, only choose to be or not can.

/Yoda, bi-curious am I
 
2012-10-11 09:50:12 PM
While I would love for this story to be totally true, I suspect that either:

A) He is actually gay, but not out yet and wanted to write a book about what it is like to be a gay Christian and, erm... fudged the facts.

2) Wanted to write a book and came up with this to support it.

Purple) Just wrote a book and did nothing mentioned in it. Hey, what journalist is going to head to his town and research it and look for the big, black bear? If anyone calls him on it, he will claim he changed names to protect his friends and then it is just him and his parents.
 
2012-10-11 09:53:39 PM
I have a lot to say on this matter as a bisexual male who lives as a hetero male and constantly sees the persecution faced by LGBT people in our society.

I won't write a novel here because it would do nothing to change the minds of people who have already picked which camp they are in.

I only wish I had the courage to confront some of the bosses, coworkers, family, and acquaintances i hear spewing hatred based on ignorance. I know for a fact that if I were openly honest I'd be fired for "no reason" so as not to make the other bigots around me feel uncomfortable.
 
2012-10-11 09:54:39 PM

Erebus1954: And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.


I'm not gay, but I am atheist. I've been seriously considering writing a book about my salvation and new love for Jesus so I can cash in on the rubes who eat that shiat up.

/I really need money and I'm not pretty enough to be a man whore.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-10-11 09:56:45 PM
 
2012-10-11 09:56:56 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


If the bible is written by God then why is it full of contradictions and inconsistencies? Not to mention hatred. Does God have Alzheimers Disease or something?

By the way, when was the last time you got your hair cut or ate shellfish?
 
2012-10-11 09:58:57 PM

Equilibrist: Hero tag asks for proof.


Oh, you said " Hero tag "
Never mind . . .
 
2012-10-11 09:59:05 PM

Erebus1954: And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.


He won't get elected otherwise.
 
2012-10-11 10:01:15 PM
a.abcnews.com

Let's be honest: this dude wouldn't have had sex with a woman in that period anyway.
 
2012-10-11 10:05:43 PM
I smell a rat! I bet this guy is another Andrew Marin
http://www.signorile.com/2010/07/more-of-that-false-prophet.html
 
2012-10-11 10:07:04 PM
...What the f*ck kind of world do we live in where the only way for a child to have a normal empathetic reaction to people being persecuted is to join them?
 
2012-10-11 10:09:29 PM

cryinoutloud: kevinatilusa: Lying to your family about something like that for a year isn't being a hero.
It's being an asshat.

Yeah, it would be a lot better if some actual gay person had to lie to his family for his entire life to keep from hurting their precious wittle feelings.


The entire down-low chunk of the black community is like that. And I've had several closety friends who cling to their sad lives, saying "It would kill my father if he ever found out." My answer is generally "Well, your dad had his shot at happiness, why don't you deserve one too?"
 
2012-10-11 10:10:26 PM
"Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Yep, so? What, you changed your mind and sexual assault is okay now as long as it's a gay guy doing it?
 
2012-10-11 10:10:35 PM
For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.

And anal sex, lots and lots of anal sex.
 
2012-10-11 10:10:54 PM

Erebus1954: And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.


Well, in certain areas of the world that strategy would be useful to hold down a job and avoid being prosecuted or persecuted for being gay, atheist or both. Being beaten to death behind a Tastee-Freeze by a gang of redneck mouth-breathers in rural Oklahoma probably sucks as far as life experiences go.
 
2012-10-11 10:11:34 PM

Ennuipoet: Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)


It's one thing to tell yourself "treat others fairly and kindly". I think probably 99.9% of the people in the world says that to themselves and sincerely believe that they themselves do a good job of practicing it, from the volunteer doctor risking his life in a plague zone to the dude getting ready to go down the street and fling a jar of acid in the face of a little girl. You can tell yourself anything, and its very easy to believe everything you say.

OTOH, when you publicly come out as someone outside what the prevailing society considers acceptable, and you get to see first-hand how the people that you loved, trusted, and respected all really behave. You see them suddenly reject and abandon you. You start getting harassed and abused while the people you used to think you could turn to for safety stand by and do nothing. And all the while, all those people are still chanting the same "treat others fairly and kindly" mantra, just like you were.

That's a bigger eye-opener than any sermon or story.
 
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