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2012-10-11 07:19:06 PM
Hero tag asks for proof.
 
2012-10-11 07:28:15 PM
Eventually the initial "revulsion" disappeared, according to Kurek. "Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Dumbass, even Jesus said you're supposed to turn the other cheek.
 
2012-10-11 07:34:24 PM
- Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."


Damn, Shawn, that is some elaborate game. Not sure if ethical, but still pretty impressive.
 
2012-10-11 07:38:53 PM

scottydoesntknow: Eventually the initial "revulsion" disappeared, according to Kurek. "Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Dumbass, even Jesus said you're supposed to turn the other cheek.


But later, I learned to enjoy being sexually assaulted!
 
2012-10-11 07:40:34 PM
Thanks, subs.
 
2012-10-11 08:16:47 PM
That's pretty damned fabulous.
 
2012-10-11 08:19:06 PM

ProfessorOhki: - Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."



Ah, he only put the head in.
 
2012-10-11 08:19:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: Eventually the initial "revulsion" disappeared, according to Kurek. "Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Dumbass, even Jesus said you're supposed to turn the other cheek.


BA-DUM TISSSHHHH!
 
2012-10-11 08:21:18 PM
Story won't load for me. How deep undercover did he go? Did he give up the rusty wagonwheel?
 
2012-10-11 08:22:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: Eventually the initial "revulsion" disappeared, according to Kurek. "Early on if a guy pinched my ass, I would have punched someone in the face."

Dumbass, even Jesus said you're supposed to turn the other cheek.


He didn't say he's punch the pincher, just someone.
 
2012-10-11 08:40:30 PM
The Cross and the Closet hmm, referencing the The Cross and the Switchblade I guess.
 
I suppose it beats Bareback Like Me referencing the other "great" undercover "brother" book Black Like Me.
 
2012-10-11 08:43:23 PM

Mugato: Story won't load for me. How deep undercover did he go? Did he give up the rusty wagonwheel?


You on Chrome, too? ABCNews never loads for me. Don't feel like opening IE to read TFA.
 
2012-10-11 08:45:16 PM

fusillade762: Mugato: Story won't load for me. How deep undercover did he go? Did he give up the rusty wagonwheel?

You on Chrome, too? ABCNews never loads for me. Don't feel like opening IE to read TFA.


As a matter of fact, I am. Hmm.
 
2012-10-11 08:47:10 PM
Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)
 
hej
2012-10-11 08:49:40 PM
Did he take it in the pooper? You know, to really get the complete experience.
 
2012-10-11 08:50:09 PM
Suuuure.
 
2012-10-11 08:51:56 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ProfessorOhki: - Only three people knew the truth, and he needed them to carry out his audacious project: his closest friend, an aunt and Shawn, a gay friend whom Kurek also met at karaoke night.
- Kind-hearted Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend."
- For credibility, Kurek learned to hold hands and embrace.
- But most of all, Shawn was the "first gay person that I let into my heart," said Kurek. "He was totally there for me through emotional turmoil ... I trusted him.
- "He knew I was straight and he didn't take it too far -- and he taught me not to be afraid."



Ah, he only put the head in.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-11 08:52:06 PM
He could have spent that energy actually helping people instead of feeding his persecution complex fix.
 
2012-10-11 08:52:56 PM
What a gay idea.
 
2012-10-11 08:55:51 PM
He says he hopes to change minds, not just in the Christian community but in the LGBT one as well, and to bridge the divide in the debate over gay rights.

Oh bullshiat. What has the LGBT community done wrong? (not including the closeted self-hating ones inb positions of power)
It's on your side of the aisle, religious farktards.

Instead of your infallible book being wrong about something again, you're going to give it a 509th interpretation, and this time we mean it.
 
2012-10-11 08:56:16 PM
Now if he can only rid himself of that fairy-tale that has guided his life for so long and so damagingly.

Yeah, I went there. Being gay is a religion. Or something.
 
2012-10-11 08:56:20 PM
"Shawn, whom Kurek described as "a big black burly teddy bear," became his "pretend boyfriend.""



dohoho
 
2012-10-11 08:56:24 PM
And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.
 
2012-10-11 08:56:37 PM
"Up to and including"

"Including" would have covered it.
 
2012-10-11 08:56:49 PM
Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.
 
2012-10-11 08:56:54 PM

Ennuipoet: Did you really need a year of pretending to be something you're not just to treat people the way Jesus told you to to? (Well, his editors did really mess up the story in the later editions)


Actually, it's not a bad idea. The lack of empathy our society has pushed for the last half-century or so makes it hard for someone to truly "walk a mile in someone else's shoes," at least as a mental exercise - increasingly, folks just can't do it. Combine that lack of empathy with the gradual and corresponding lack of sympathy, and, yes, for some folks, this is a worthwhile exercise.
 
2012-10-11 08:58:14 PM
A True Scotsman, in deed.

/not a typo.
 
2012-10-11 08:58:25 PM
hero tag? this doosh is exploiting people to sell a book. fark him and fark him harder for not waking up to the reality of what religion is. and i hope one day he is strong enough to come out of the closet. doosh.

i have massive respect for people who are brave enough to live their lives openly and honestly. i have sympathy, hugs and kisses for those who are unable.

/i'm just another dooshbag, i know
 
2012-10-11 08:58:49 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Oh bullshiat. What has the LGBT community done wrong? (not including the closeted self-hating ones inb positions of power)
It's on your side of the aisle, religious farktards.


There's some who tend to be a bit... Down towards all Christians.
 
2012-10-11 08:58:49 PM
While I admire him for such a dedication to learning empathy, I can't help but feel sorry for his family.

They went through a very hard time. They had to accept that their son was gay, something which they believed would condemn his immortal soul, but come to grips with it in order to preserve their relationship. It couldn't have been easy. The whole family seems to have lost friends, had their lives shaken up and spent a year in turmoil.

Only to have their son turn around and say, "Hey, it was all an experiment. Thanks for participating. Buy my book."

Now, the family learned incredible lessons about love and tolerance and perhaps more Christians will embrace these lessons because of what this young man did. But I still have to think that if it had been my kid, I'd feel a little bit pissed at being punk'd in such an epic fashion.
 
2012-10-11 08:59:49 PM
"Straight Christian lives for a whole year as a gay person"

www.rccrawler.com
 
2012-10-11 08:59:59 PM

Erebus1954: And now a gay atheist should pretend to be a devout hetero Christian because, um, help me out here.


They'd hate it. There are plenty of people around who belittle religious individuals simply based on that quality. A lot are on Fark, actually.

/"stop thinking what I don't think!"
 
2012-10-11 09:01:02 PM
That's great and all that he went on this journey to further understand it from a "Gay Man" point of view...but I am calling BS on the fact that he was ever straight.
 
2012-10-11 09:01:20 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


I like to stone the people coming out of Red Lobster.
 
2012-10-11 09:02:07 PM
Sorry, typo. I meant to say, "I'm stoned. Who wants to go to Red Lobster."
 
2012-10-11 09:02:07 PM

KrispyKritter: dooshbag


douchebag, Douchebag.
 
2012-10-11 09:02:58 PM
Wait... so you can choose to be gay, after all?
 
2012-10-11 09:03:11 PM
Hero? Living like a sodomite is heroic?
 
2012-10-11 09:03:19 PM

No Line For Beer: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

I like to stone the people coming out of Red Lobster.


I find it amusing how Jews don't seem to care anymore about that sort of thing, but er... "Christians"... do, even though absolutely no mention of it is made in the New Testament.

Christians is in quotes, because people who behave that way shouldn't get that name, whether they want it or not.
 
2012-10-11 09:04:25 PM
I think this guy is gay, he just can't admit it.
 
2012-10-11 09:04:36 PM
So, you do and can choose to be or not.
 
2012-10-11 09:04:52 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


0/10. Too obvious- the paragraph break before the final statement was a rookie move.
 
2012-10-11 09:05:01 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


do you refrain from eating shellfish and figs?
 
2012-10-11 09:05:25 PM

Jclark666: Wait... so you can choose to be gay, after all?


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2012-10-11 09:06:55 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


The only person who claims "God himself" said that is Moses, according to the Book of Leviticus, as part of the Holiness Code. The Holiness Code was, according to most Biblical scholars, tacked onto Leviticus, and most likely came from priestly conversations.

In other words, no, "God himself" probably said nothing on the subject. It's hearsay. You're reading ecclesiastical anecdotes compiled and added to an existing book, which in turn was rolled into the Old Testament, which in turn was added to the Bible.

Even the folks who first included Leviticus as part of their belief system disagree on whether homosexual intercourse should be allowed, and have basically said "if you're an Orthodox Jew, no - otherwise, yes."

You're not an Orthodox Jew, so...
 
2012-10-11 09:08:52 PM
Imagine truly believing hell is real and people you love are burning in torment forever. It's like they are giving themselves PTSD constantly. No wonder they are crazy. They deserve pity.
 
2012-10-11 09:09:07 PM

bibli0phile: While I admire him for such a dedication to learning empathy, I can't help but feel sorry for his family.

They went through a very hard time. They had to accept that their son was gay, something which they believed would condemn his immortal soul, but come to grips with it in order to preserve their relationship. It couldn't have been easy. The whole family seems to have lost friends, had their lives shaken up and spent a year in turmoil.

Only to have their son turn around and say, "Hey, it was all an experiment. Thanks for participating. Buy my book."

Now, the family learned incredible lessons about love and tolerance and perhaps more Christians will embrace these lessons because of what this young man did. But I still have to think that if it had been my kid, I'd feel a little bit pissed at being punk'd in such an epic fashion.


I imagine that they'd have to work through a lot of emotions, beginning with, "I guess we were just douchebags toward the gays and hypocrites in our faith after all." I am not trivializing this; it is very upsetting to rethink your core beliefs, and probably moreso if someone else forces you to do so due to a lie. But if, as you said, they learned lessons about love and tolerance, they are probably past that now.
 
2012-10-11 09:10:35 PM

Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.


Bullshait
 
2012-10-11 09:10:39 PM
This is what the world does to make Christianity seem odd or weird. Not one inch of this is real. Not one inch of this has to do with real Christianity. It all has to do with you asshats that feel you MUST dog Christianity for some jackass reason. If this were against homosexuality, it would be different. You all would be up in arms....morons
 
2012-10-11 09:11:29 PM

dumbobruni: Mija: Persecution? Oh please, God himself says homosexuality is an abomination and says that no homosexual can go to heaven. Any person who is truly saved loves God does not support that which God calls sin. Any time a homosexual is told the truth of their choices they claim persecution. Poor victims.

The Bible is clear on this matter.

do you refrain from eating shellfish and figs?


The real question is "does he support cherry-picking the 'literal word of God'?" That's the basic argument, after all - anyone attempting to follow the 'literal word of God' in this day & age would be arrested for a variety of crimes. They know that, we know that, and so you end up with Christians who pick & choose what parts of the 'literal word of God' to follow, thereby damning their very souls.

It's a conundrum.
 
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