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(Daily Mail)   "So we all decided to walk past the barriers onto the restricted area past the security huts and basically onto Area 51"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 37
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2012-10-11 06:54:03 PM  
6 votes:
That is hysterical. A bunch of morons with cameras go 20 feet into a top secret base, and the guards laugh it off because they presumably see this every day. They cut the kids some slack, but when the kids poke the bear by knocking and talking to them, the guards lost their sense of humor and did what they are trained to do, and those idiots will not be doing anything like that again.

What did they expect to see? An alien getting a tan? A space ship stuck half-way into the dirt?

Top secret military bases do top secret things. It has nothing to do with space aliens. It has everything to do with advancing technology.
2012-10-11 06:19:19 PM  
4 votes:
They should've done the world a favor and just shot 'em all.

If you're dumb enough to walk onto one of the most restricted military bases in the USA, you should not procreate
2012-10-11 08:39:23 PM  
3 votes:

Elegy: You gotta figure that not a whole lot goes on at groom lake these days. I mean, it has to be the most public "secret military base" in the world FFS. People (UFO and military enthusiasts) routinely sit outside it and monitor the skies for activity. I saw some stuff a few years ago about the military *maybe* flying Aurora out of there in PopSci, if you believe in Aurora that is. But serious top secret research? Get real. I'm sure that at this point the USAF mostly uses it as a honey trap for the crazies


Of course, the problem is, where else are you going to test that kind of hardware?

You need a big expansive range where you can go supersonic, maybe even hypersonic, and not instantly have to throttle down. You need it to be well out of the way of populated areas. You need to have freaking huge runways. The American Southwest is pretty much the best place the US has access to. The only parts of the world I can think that are as good is the Australian outback and certain deserts in Central Asia, and we can't go setting up the heart of our aerospace R&D at either place.

The Groom Lake test site at Nellis Air Force Base is basically your best bet for that. You might get something similar if you built a site on some island in the pacific, but then you get the problem of manpower. Nellis has a huge workforce that commutes every day from Vegas on unmarked passenger planes with the windows blacked out. You want to relocate all of them, civilian contractors included, to the South Pacific?

Remember, the only reason the F-117 was declassified was they wanted to start flying it during the day and knew they couldn't keep it a secret, and that was a quarter century ago. They can keep flights secret during the nighttime, but daytime is another story, and has been for decades.

As for the morons in TFA, you are a group of foreigners, with cameras, trying to sneak into a maximum security military base, and you don't expect an armed heavy response? If a NBC News crew tried to slip past Royal Navy security to get some close pics at British nuclear subs, I would expect a similar response.
2012-10-11 08:32:53 PM  
3 votes:

Barfmaker: 'So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.'

Heh, they're saying that they were there for an hour and they only got caught when they disturbed the guards. If it's at all true then lulz will be had.


They must not have bothered to do much research on area 51. Essentially from the others who peer in successfully, the military personnel start watching people long before they get near the gates, boarders, etc. So here comes a friggin' tour bus with idiots. Right down the road... not with any creativity. So the guards watch.

The idiots park the bus and walk up to the gate. Now the guards don't want to do the paper work. They really don't want to deal with this hassle if they don't have to. So they watch the idiots. They hope the idiots will just look at the sign and turn back like all the other idiots. Instead they go beyond it... ok fine, let them do their stupid dance and go back to their bus. The gate is outside the range of seeing anything anyway. But then the idiots take it to the next level... now the guards have to do something.

I'm sure it's just that simple. If the idiots and their TV crew had just turned around and left the people working base security could have avoided a lot of paperwork and hassle and being outside the air conditioning.
2012-10-11 08:04:42 PM  
3 votes:
You gotta figure that not a whole lot goes on at groom lake these days. I mean, it has to be the most public "secret military base" in the world FFS. People (UFO and military enthusiasts) routinely sit outside it and monitor the skies for activity. I saw some stuff a few years ago about the military *maybe* flying Aurora out of there in PopSci, if you believe in Aurora that is. But serious top secret research? Get real. I'm sure that at this point the USAF mostly uses it as a honey trap for the crazies
2012-10-11 10:04:29 PM  
2 votes:
Mini skirts and high-heeled boots seem like excellent attire if you're trying to sneak into a secret base in the desert.
2012-10-11 07:09:28 PM  
2 votes:

Barfmaker: 'So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.'

Heh, they're saying that they were there for an hour and they only got caught when they disturbed the guards. If it's at all true then lulz will be had.


I drove up to one of the fences there ages ago to take some pictures of the signage promising instant death or whatnot.

It took less than five minutes before I saw the guard trucks parked and watching me --which means they probably knew I was there thirty seconds before I got to where I was. They didn't hassle me though. But, I'm sure if I crossed a line, they'd have been on me.

It was actually kind of neat to see that sort of response. Those guys do not fark around.
2012-10-11 06:54:57 PM  
2 votes:
Welcome to earf
2012-10-11 06:21:01 PM  
2 votes:
When they say no trespassing, they MEAN IT.

Do random people just get to wander onto British military installations with no repercussions?
2012-10-12 10:47:18 AM  
1 votes:

StrangeQ: [www.familieharmsen.nl image 850x637]

Too bad they didn't exercise that last option.


Of course, that sign can be found around the perimeter of any Air Force base. Indeed, many years ago, I recall seeing such signs posted around the now-closed Chanute AFB in Rantoul, IL when I went out on a bike ride.

While Ben Rich's Skunk Works never uses the phrase "Area 51," it's Ric Romero-level obvious that's where a lot of work was done on the U-2, A-12, SR-71, and F-117.
2012-10-12 10:32:08 AM  
1 votes:

unyon: I'm Canadian, so my sense of scale when it comes to long distance borders is just fine. Area 51, including Nellis, is about 12500 sq mi. My estimation is that puts its perimeter somewhere near 1400 miles, if its roughly square (which it is). This is in the same size playground as the Mexican border.


Huh, and huh?

The entire area inside US-6,93,95 and SR-375 isn't that big. And much of that is not restricted. Nellis/Groom/etc is more like 7000 sq miles.

The perimeter of that 7000 mi^2 is around 400 miles (fairly regular shapes, fairly square). Even if we were talking 12,500 mi^2, the perimeter would be closer to 550-600 miles.

The US-Mexico border in 1,969 miles. 5 times.

Even spending 5x the current Nellis/Groom security budget wouldn't police the border to the same extent. There simply aren't tens of thousands of people trying to get into Area 51 every day. If there were, the current number of camo dudes wouldn't be nearly enough.
2012-10-12 09:39:32 AM  
1 votes:
www.familieharmsen.nl

Too bad they didn't exercise that last option.
2012-10-12 01:47:47 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Mazzic518: SnakeLee: Being a guard at that base must be fun

Yeah isn't the whole area contaminated from the nuke tests?

That's White Sands.


Pretty sure groom lake is fairly close to yucca flats(or the nevada test site). Around on google maps and you'll find some suspiciously large holes in the ground to the southwest, if memory serves.
2012-10-11 09:50:55 PM  
1 votes:
F*ck secrets.
We should storm this place like it's the Bastille.
2012-10-11 09:47:46 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: 'At this point I managed to talk to the guards a bit and one told me how they could 'make you disappear and your body will never be found'. 

For a guard...a member of the US government to say that is scary. That is not how 'My America' operates
2012-10-11 09:27:35 PM  
1 votes:
So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.

Hahahahahahahahaha! Dumbasses. The guards were told to let you have your fun until you made it impossible to ignore you.

There was no one around, no guards, no vehicles - nothing.

Guess what happens when you assume. It makes an ass out of you and me. Mostly you. The guards are in the guard shack. Their vehicle is in the garage. There are multiple cameras watching you from several angles. They aren't disguised at all.

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Where they keep their invisible vehicle.

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Cameras.

One guard I quizzed let slip that there are sensors in the ground that can detect approaching vehicles and walkers up in the nearby mountains, so they know if people are getting too close as they cannot put fences up because the area is so big.

That wasn't a slip. That's well known to anyone who googles Area 51.
2012-10-11 08:46:19 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, wanting to see what kinds of things being done by a government, and not necessarily details with technical schematics, is a truly horrible thing.


There's a similar area (or was) at the NE side of Edward's. People on base were not allowed to go there or ask questions about it. Whole different gaggle of folks and projects.
2012-10-11 08:42:57 PM  
1 votes:

Cathedralmaster: The base doesn't officially exist so I imagine everything related to it, down to what's in the mess, is all under the black budget.


The base itself exists. It is Nellis Air Force Base. It's a very large base in southern Nevada, and it does more than just black project R&D. The USAF does a lot of fighter pilot training there, and there are some big-time wargames played out in the skies over Nellis that have nothing to do with black projects (except telling pilots that under NO circumstances are they to EVER cross these lines on the map, and don't ask why).

"Area 51" itself on the far northern end of the base, a.k.a. "Dreamland" or "Groom Lake Facility". . .we officially have no idea what you're talking about.
2012-10-11 08:32:24 PM  
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: Rincewind53: Oh, and they're the British equivalent of 9/11 Truthers. Lovely.

what the fark does this have to do with 9/11? WTF?


Actually, having seen the other two shows that they've done (one on 9/11 and the other mentioned in TFA concerning the 7/7 bombings) they pretty much destroy the conspiracy theories by finding actual nutjobs that believe in that crap, taking them by the hand and showing them exactly why their theories are wrong at a basic level with the hopes of converting some of them. There's been at least two on each show who ended up changing their positions (on camera) about the conspiracy that they thought was ironclad when they started. It's actually kinda funny to watch them as their core beliefs are challenged and the mental gymnastics that some of them go through to hold on to their pet ideas in the face of hard proof that they are so wrong in what they believe.
2012-10-11 08:27:49 PM  
1 votes:

unyon: So I have a question: If the military can protect a perimeter the size of Area 51 with sensors to detect walkers and vehicles because a fence is impractical, why can't they use that technology on the southern border instead of an impractical fence?

Or is that because, like with most things, it's mostly just security theatre?


You seem, like most people, to have absolutely no sense of scale. The southern US border is about 2000 miles, the Area 51 perimeter is something like 15x15 miles, so ~60 miles of perimeter, or 3% of the Mexican border. Are we going to spend 30 times what we do to protect one of our most top secret military bases to protect the border? The border patrols budget is less than $2 billion dollars, and thats for Mexico AND Canada, the DoDs estimated black budget is somewhere between $50 and $100 billion. Not sure if base security, even for a top secret base, is in the black budget though.
2012-10-11 08:26:41 PM  
1 votes:
Been to the gate twice. Chased off by wakenhut security twice. (Security is outsourced, go figure) they don't have sensors everywhere either, like in the north side where they have an observation post right on top of the highest mountain over the valley. Turn off the main highway and you throw a giant dust cloud that can be seen for miles, and you still have 13 miles of shiatty gravel road to the perimiter.

A different time was checking out some old rusted out cars off of a crossroads nearby. Turns out I happened to be loitering right where and when the bus with the blacked out windows drops off the civilian contractors at their cars. Left quickly after that.

Was going to try the eastern approach a few years back but my vehicle wasn't up to the condition of the path.

/love the desert
2012-10-11 08:26:34 PM  
1 votes:

Barfmaker: 'So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.'

Heh, they're saying that they were there for an hour and they only got caught when they disturbed the guards. If it's at all true then lulz will be had.


Not by the guards. If they're civilian contractors, they just got blacklisted. If they're military, say hello to the polar bears in Alaska.
2012-10-11 08:25:15 PM  
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Barfmaker: 'So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.'

Heh, they're saying that they were there for an hour and they only got caught when they disturbed the guards. If it's at all true then lulz will be had.

I drove up to one of the fences there ages ago to take some pictures of the signage promising instant death or whatnot.

It took less than five minutes before I saw the guard trucks parked and watching me --which means they probably knew I was there thirty seconds before I got to where I was. They didn't hassle me though. But, I'm sure if I crossed a line, they'd have been on me.

It was actually kind of neat to see that sort of response. Those guys do not fark around.


I would bet they knew you were on your way as soon as you took whatever exit from the main highway that leads to the dirt road that leads to the perimeter. And since there is probably a whole lot of nothing to see out that far, they don't need to get all shooty unless someone really makes a run for the interior of the base. Guards at that distance are pretty much the Lookey-Loo Dispersion Squad who let people get up to the sign that everyone has seen on tv, have their photo op with one member of the group sticking his toe over the line, and be on their way.
2012-10-11 08:19:39 PM  
1 votes:

unyon: So I have a question: If the military can protect a perimeter the size of Area 51 with sensors to detect walkers and vehicles because a fence is impractical, why can't they use that technology on the southern border instead of an impractical fence?

Or is that because, like with most things, it's mostly just security theatre?


They do. go hiking around the border near San Diego and you'll find a border patrol agent waiting for you.
2012-10-11 08:16:52 PM  
1 votes:
2012-10-11 07:52:18 PM  
1 votes:
And let's just get this out of the way. 

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2012-10-11 07:49:31 PM  
1 votes:
i.dailymail.co.uk

SPACESHIPS!!!
2012-10-11 07:34:23 PM  
1 votes:

SnakeLee: Being a guard at that base must be fun


Yeah isn't the whole area contaminated from the nuke tests?
2012-10-11 07:11:54 PM  
1 votes:
This sounds fake because this sounds so much like the recent incident at Y-12.
2012-10-11 07:11:18 PM  
1 votes:
Send em to Gitmo
2012-10-11 06:56:40 PM  
1 votes:

CommieTaoist: unyon: So I have a question: If the military can protect a perimeter the size of Area 51 with sensors to detect walkers and vehicles because a fence is impractical, why can't they use that technology on the southern border instead of an impractical fence?

Or is that because, like with most things, it's mostly just security theatre?

They are using that technology at the border, one of those sensors going off is what led to the border patrol agent getting killed by other border patrol agents last week. Link


conspirators deleted your link.

Area 51 is a pretty small... area, compared to the entire southern border of the US. Once people get into a base that small, it's a little easier to hunt them down than it is when your search radius is pretty much all of Texas.
2012-10-11 06:51:11 PM  
1 votes:

Barfmaker: 'So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.'

Heh, they're saying that they were there for an hour and they only got caught when they disturbed the guards. If it's at all true then lulz will be had.


If it's true. They also claim their cameras were taken, so I doubt they can prove it. And given their other work, I don't find their story that believable.
2012-10-11 06:46:54 PM  
1 votes:
All of the Area 51 guards are alien-human hybrids, programmed to sit quietly and pretend to watch tv until activated by a special knocking rhythm. If the British researchers had tapped "shave-and-a-haircut", they'd all be dead now.
2012-10-11 06:38:43 PM  
1 votes:

unyon: So I have a question: If the military can protect a perimeter the size of Area 51 with sensors to detect walkers and vehicles because a fence is impractical, why can't they use that technology on the southern border instead of an impractical fence?

Or is that because, like with most things, it's mostly just security theatre?


They are using that technology at the border, one of those sensors going off is what led to the border patrol agent getting killed by other border patrol agents last week. Link
2012-10-11 06:33:58 PM  
1 votes:
So I have a question: If the military can protect a perimeter the size of Area 51 with sensors to detect walkers and vehicles because a fence is impractical, why can't they use that technology on the southern border instead of an impractical fence?

Or is that because, like with most things, it's mostly just security theatre?
2012-10-11 06:31:12 PM  
1 votes:
'So after a few more minutes and a few more picture taking and filming, one of the crew decided to speak to the guards and knocked on their hut door. All hell broke loose.'

Heh, they're saying that they were there for an hour and they only got caught when they disturbed the guards. If it's at all true then lulz will be had.
2012-10-11 06:25:06 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, and they're the British equivalent of 9/11 Truthers. Lovely.
 
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