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(Yahoo)   Slide show of the Swiss newest weapon, supersonic fighter jets. The missile launch button comes standard next to the corkscrew   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 54
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2012-10-11 03:38:27 PM  
How do you get the engine out of neutral ?
 
2012-10-11 03:58:45 PM  
The second jet looks a lot like a helicopter.
 
2012-10-11 04:00:10 PM  
Yes, but you can't control it until you think in ....German? French? Geez, I'm not su *plane crashes*
 
2012-10-11 04:08:37 PM  
Random fact for the day, off the Saab Grippen has had 5 crashes, 2 of them by the same guy
Lars Radestrom
 
2012-10-11 05:11:00 PM  
Aw, man. Am I the one who was hoping for Swiss-made fighter jets?

/what?
//they make good chocolate
 
2012-10-11 05:46:28 PM  
The country is big enough for a landing strip?
 
2012-10-11 06:13:01 PM  
I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.
 
2012-10-11 06:26:13 PM  

gopher321: The country is big enough for a landing strip?


I think they shave
 
2012-10-11 06:30:42 PM  

vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.


They probably have better things to spend their money on.
 
2012-10-11 06:49:45 PM  
Ooh, the Swiss have jets they paid for with the gold they pulled out of dead Jews' mouths. Bully for you, creepy bastards.
 
2012-10-11 06:53:20 PM  

xenomorpheus: gopher321: The country is big enough for a landing strip?

I think they shave


But they get terrible razor Bern
 
2012-10-11 07:01:28 PM  

Suede head: Ooh, the Swiss have jets they paid for with the gold they pulled out of dead Jews' mouths. Bully for you, creepy bastards.


I believe they contracted that work out to neighbors to the north
 
2012-10-11 07:05:29 PM  

zedster: Random fact for the day, off the Saab Grippen has had 5 crashes, 2 of them by the same guy
Lars Radestrom


5 accidents since 1989 isn't a bad record for a high-performance fighter aircraft.

I always liked the Gripen. Small is agile when it comes to aircraft.
 
2012-10-11 07:18:34 PM  

Suede head: Ooh, the Swiss have jets they paid for with the gold they pulled out of dead Jews' mouths. Bully for you, creepy bastards.


Pretty much this. Quite a lot of British royalty and nobility, quite a lot of American industrialists, and the Swiss made out like bandits in WWII. And of course there was the Bush family.

Started off trying to overthrow the FDR administration and install Fascist government, ended up with two presidents in the family.
 
2012-10-11 07:19:16 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: zedster: Random fact for the day, off the Saab Grippen has had 5 crashes, 2 of them by the same guy
Lars Radestrom

5 accidents since 1989 isn't a bad record for a high-performance fighter aircraft.

I always liked the Gripen. Small is agile when it comes to aircraft.


no issues with the record, I just am ammused that one guy accounts for 40% of all Grippen crashes
 
2012-10-11 07:27:13 PM  

vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-11 07:31:32 PM  

vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.


I was looking through the slideshow and was thinking that a couple of those looked like F5s. Then I read the caption. Didn't all the US F5s get relegated to being trainers in the late 70s - early 80s?
 
2012-10-11 07:42:24 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.

I was looking through the slideshow and was thinking that a couple of those looked like F5s. Then I read the caption. Didn't all the US F5s get relegated to being trainers in the late 70s - early 80s?


The US never used the F-5 as an actual combat fighter, although other nations did. In the US it was mainly used for testing and as a supersonic or aggressor trainer. It was a decent little fighter but it just never really fit into the given doctrine (which was either to use bigger, heavier fighters like the F-4 or we went with the F-16 for a small light fighter airplane).
 
2012-10-11 07:51:27 PM  
With modern tech, an agressive zepplin, like a carrier in the sky but only carrying missiles and techs, might be a useful investment. Imagine 1200 hellfires floating around ready to launch would be useful, seeing how effective Apaches seem to be with them.
 
2012-10-11 07:56:02 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: xenomorpheus: gopher321: The country is big enough for a landing strip?

I think they shave

But they get terrible razor Bern


You think thats bad, you should see Brazil.
 
2012-10-11 07:58:23 PM  

eraser8: Aw, man. Am I the one who was hoping for Swiss-made fighter jets?

/what?
//they make good chocolate


Saab is a Swiss company.

/in case you weren't joking
 
2012-10-11 07:59:28 PM  
Never mind. Saab is Swedish. I always get those two mixed up.
 
2012-10-11 08:01:08 PM  
l2.yimg.com

Switzerland, the country made of so many mountains that the jets actually fly below the ground people stand on.
 
2012-10-11 08:03:38 PM  
l.yimg.com

It runs on Twilight books?.
 
2012-10-11 08:34:41 PM  
gopher321: The country is big enough has enough horizontal space for a landing strip?

What I was wondering
 
2012-10-11 08:35:26 PM  

akula: Igor Jakovsky: vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.

I was looking through the slideshow and was thinking that a couple of those looked like F5s. Then I read the caption. Didn't all the US F5s get relegated to being trainers in the late 70s - early 80s?

The US never used the F-5 as an actual combat fighter, although other nations did. In the US it was mainly used for testing and as a supersonic or aggressor trainer. It was a decent little fighter but it just never really fit into the given doctrine (which was either to use bigger, heavier fighters like the F-4 or we went with the F-16 for a small light fighter airplane).


It was designed for allied Airforces that couldn't afford top line fighters. Which means it was meant to be cheap, fuel efficient, durable and very light weight to operate from small airfields. The aircraft is incredibly nimble and good for any short range work.
Its a little killer that shouldn't have had much trouble taking on most exported Mig variants of the era.

It didn't fit with US doctrine because we demand alot more power and range in an aircraft.
The F-5's main downfall is its still a bit big for its engines, but it couldn't be beaten for overall value.
 
2012-10-11 08:37:49 PM  

gopher321: The country is big enough for a landing strip?


They dig them into the mountains.
 
2012-10-11 08:38:50 PM  

akula: he US never used the F-5 as an actual combat fighter, although other nations did


Forgot to mention that the US did deploy them to Vietnam for a short time.

/Mostly to build confidence in it with customer nations.
 
2012-10-11 08:48:52 PM  
Wonder if the Swiss will have the same problem Peru did ( according to the joke at the time) if they go supersonic they'll be in another country before they can turn around.


/ the joke was "if the Mirage is supersonic when it passes over the coast flying east, by the time he's turned 90 degrees he'll be in Brazil"

// don't know if it's true but was a good joke
 
2012-10-11 08:51:24 PM  

way south: Forgot to mention that the US did deploy them to Vietnam for a short time.

/Mostly to build confidence in it with customer nations.


i love when people relate interesting anecdotes about things like that, so thank you sir for teaching me something interesting today
 
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2012-10-11 08:55:21 PM  

antron: vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.

[i48.tinypic.com image 500x316]


LOL!!!

+1!
 
2012-10-11 10:29:55 PM  
Don't these fools realize that in less than ten years we'll have 3D printed warp drives?
 
2012-10-11 10:40:40 PM  
Wasn't it Sweden where we heard just last week that it wasn't fair that one school had better lunches thanks to the efforts of a lady working there?

No, you're not allowed to do your job better because that's not fair.

So why is it that Sweden is allowed to have better jets than other countries? That doesn't seem right to me.
 
2012-10-11 10:43:46 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.

I was looking through the slideshow and was thinking that a couple of those looked like F5s. Then I read the caption. Didn't all the US F5s get relegated to being trainers in the late 70s - early 80s?


Yeah, the basic aircraft is in the US inventory as the T-38. We've used it as a jet trainer, and NASA uses it as a Chase plane.
 
2012-10-11 10:48:30 PM  
yay, military porn!
 
2012-10-11 10:55:34 PM  

Maul555: yay, military porn!


When I hear military porn, I don't think of European men puttering around in obsolete American fighter jets.
 
2012-10-11 10:59:42 PM  

gopher321: The country is big enough for a landing strip?


They use their aircraft carriers.
 
2012-10-11 11:29:47 PM  

gopher321: The country is big enough for a landing strip?


They have a fairly large number of them that look like mini-landing strips that go right into a cliff, from above, when you get close they are tunneled into a cliff. The mountain also tends to harden them against bombardment which is a good thing.

give me doughnuts: The second jet looks a lot like a helicopter.


Its still a jet, almost all modern combat helicopters use jet turbine engines, the fact that it has wings that rotate doesn't make it less of a jet.

HotWingAgenda: Maul555: yay, military porn!

When I hear military porn, I don't think of European men puttering around in obsolete American fighter jets.


Which jet is obsolete? The F-5 with half way up-dated avionics is actually still a very good little plane. It was never really quite right for american needs as the air-force wasn't interested in light fighters during its development, and it wasn't sexy enough as a foreign export jet to really compete in the run-up for the light weight fighter program. (it can also be argued somewhat successfully that the tiger was developed into the hornet, though its a bit of a stretch. I'd say more drew inspiration from and shared some designers.) The real problem why alot of them are being retired by airforces around the world is that in spite of fairly low operating costs they are high hours airframes and are about due to need a major avionics upgrade so they are looking into the JSF, and NG gripens.

The F-18 hornet and F/A-18 super hornet is still in service with the US navy, and the gripen is definitely a 3 gen aircraft with the NG arguable a high 3.5 to 4th gen aircraft (it can super-cruise (though only clean) and is lower observable).
 
2012-10-11 11:40:41 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: [l2.yimg.com image 630x416]

Switzerland, the country made of so many mountains that the jets actually fly below the ground people stand on.


Heck...I hiked up a few mountains in Glacier Park this summer and watched helicopters a thousand feet below me.
 
2012-10-12 12:13:49 AM  
I hear the Swiss Army plans to replace their older Tiger fighter jets with the Saab Gripen planes.
 
2012-10-12 12:20:27 AM  

mr intrepid: Igor Jakovsky: vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.

I was looking through the slideshow and was thinking that a couple of those looked like F5s. Then I read the caption. Didn't all the US F5s get relegated to being trainers in the late 70s - early 80s?

Yeah, the basic aircraft is in the US inventory as the T-38. We've used it as a jet trainer, and NASA uses it as a Chase plane.


US Navy uses them as aggressors. In fact, the new F-5Ns that the Navy is using are ex-Swiss aircraft. F-5s have been in active service for what, near 50 years now?
 
2012-10-12 12:28:37 AM  
The finest aircraft stolen jewish money can buy.
 
2012-10-12 01:41:35 AM  

Maxor: Its still a jet, almost all modern combat helicopters use jet turbine engines, the fact that it has wings that rotate doesn't make it less of a jet.


Incorrect. A "jet" aircraft is propelled by the direct action/reaction of its exhaust gases. A turbine-powered helicopter (or turboprop airplane) converts exhaust gas energy into the rotational motion of a propeller and that's what drives the aircraft (action-reaction of the air moved by the propeller). Both are gas turbine powered, but only one is a jet.

/pedantic
 
2012-10-12 02:04:31 AM  
The hills are alive with the sound of sonic booms.
 
2012-10-12 06:26:04 AM  

randomjsa: Wasn't it Sweden where we heard just last week that it wasn't fair that one school had better lunches thanks to the efforts of a lady working there?

No, you're not allowed to do your job better because that's not fair.

So why is it that Sweden is allowed to have better jets than other countries? That doesn't seem right to me.


You know, this post makes even less sense than your regular posts. That's into negative sense territory. Please stop posting.

Also, Yahoo: When your headline is Swiss showcase supersonic jets, try not to have a helicopter as the SECOND picture.
 
2012-10-12 07:03:14 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: /pedantic


Most "jet" engines today aren't turbojets but various flavors of bypass ratio turbofans. Military are low ratio, civilian high bypass ratio, but both of them generate considerable thrust not directly from exhaust gases.

/pedantics R us
 
2012-10-12 08:16:39 AM  

Dinodork: mr intrepid: Igor Jakovsky: vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.

I was looking through the slideshow and was thinking that a couple of those looked like F5s. Then I read the caption. Didn't all the US F5s get relegated to being trainers in the late 70s - early 80s?

Yeah, the basic aircraft is in the US inventory as the T-38. We've used it as a jet trainer, and NASA uses it as a Chase plane.

US Navy uses them as aggressors. In fact, the new F-5Ns that the Navy is using are ex-Swiss aircraft. F-5s have been in active service for what, near 50 years now?


Tigershark, anyone?

Chuck Yeager's favorite F-5 upgrade.
 
2012-10-12 09:34:23 AM  
great, another article that will further confound american readers into confusing sweden and switzerland

/ story of my life. half-swede that once lived in switzerland. no one in this damn country can seem to tell the difference.
 
2012-10-12 09:45:57 AM  

Frothy Panties:
Tigershark, anyone?

Chuck Yeager's favorite F-5 upgrade.


2 out of 3 crashed...

I think the best F-5 upgrade was the F-18.
 
2012-10-12 11:08:42 AM  
Is this one of the expensive toys that they can't even fly in their own country and have to keep at a base in Sweden?
 
2012-10-12 11:45:30 AM  

DubyaHater: The hills are alive with the sound of sonic booms.


The Von Trapps emigrated from Austria to Vermont in order to escape the German Anschluss, but carry on.

//pedantic trifecta
 
2012-10-12 01:36:28 PM  
I see space bevets has expanded its parameters and is now threadshiatting other subjects now.
 
2012-10-13 06:53:37 PM  

vossiewulf: I'm amazed they're still operating F-5Es. The 80s called and wants its aggressor aircraft back.


You know the AK-47 was designated for production in 1947, right?

And that the Russian heavy machine guns that Syrian army and rebels are using to kill each other today, requires ammunition that has been issued by Russia for over a hundred years?

Why remove what works?
 
2012-10-13 10:51:24 PM  
What do they need any of those for? They've got 5 million snipers and they ARE the high ground.
 
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