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(Huffington Post)   In today's Romney vs. Reality, Mittens claims that people don't die because they don't have insurance. Reality: 26,000 Americans died in 2010 because they lacked insurance   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-10-11 11:40:00 AM  
he seriously has zero clue.
 
2012-10-11 11:45:37 AM  
And the #1 killer in the world is lack of oxygen of the brain.
 
2012-10-11 11:47:44 AM  
If we elect Romney, he'll make sure these unfortunate folks get post-mortem baptisms - then they will have eternal life. Why do we need better healthcare when we can have eternal life?
 
2012-10-11 11:57:25 AM  
Sick tag in the ER getting free medical care from the Dumbass tag?
 
2012-10-11 12:00:08 PM  
EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.
 
2012-10-11 12:01:21 PM  
Well it's not a direct cause. Not having insurance causes you to not get treated for some disease which causes you to die. It's like how not breathing doesn't cause you to die. Not breathing causes an oxygen deficiency which causes you to die. He is right you see.
 
2012-10-11 12:02:24 PM  

what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.


This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?
 
2012-10-11 12:04:24 PM  
The genius businessman is saying "government shouldn't pay for healthcare, unless you get really sick and go to the ER and can't pay. Then the government should step in."

How the fark did this guy ever make money in business?
 
2012-10-11 12:04:57 PM  

netizencain: what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.

This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?


That is the theory, yes, assuming that the insurance agencies are forced to plow money back into actual healthcare and reducing costs to the consumer. Otherwise, they'll take the reduction in their costs as profit.
 
2012-10-11 12:04:57 PM  

netizencain: what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.

This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?


Ok, well we had this discussion in 2010, and the answer was an overwhelming yes. Medicare, Medicaid and the VA are by FAR less wasteful than private insurance.

Government health care works very well in this country.
 
2012-10-11 12:07:30 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: The genius businessman is saying "government shouldn't pay for healthcare, unless you get really sick and go to the ER and can't pay. Then the government should step in."

How the fark did this guy ever make money in business?


He built a business based on the government not paying for anything, until the companies got really sick and couldn't pay their debts. Then the government offered them the protection of bankruptcy.
 
2012-10-11 12:10:44 PM  

netizencain: what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.

This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?


Eh.

Okay, so technically, your premiums should go down. But you pay x amount anway so why would insurance companies lower it?

However, an Obamacare provision demands a minimum of x of your cost of healthcare to be spent on actual health care. Excessive costs are to be refunded to patients. So, in that sense, I would expect to see that money back.
 
2012-10-11 12:10:55 PM  

what_now: Government health care works very well in this country.


It works too well, actually. That's why private insurers are having so many fits and paying people to protest Obamacare.

Health insurance, as it exists in America today, should be illegal.
 
2012-10-11 12:12:19 PM  
More importantly - this is a very big subject for many lower income people. Even if they do not support Obamacare - many know someone who died indirectly as a result of inadequate medical coverage. To those people - this line will stick out.
 
2012-10-11 12:13:42 PM  

Bontesla: More importantly - this is a very big subject for many lower income people. Even if they do not support Obamacare - many know someone who died indirectly as a result of inadequate medical coverage. To those people - this line will stick out.


This isn't just for low income people- 99% of us know people who have lost their health insurance at some point, and understand how dangerous it was to go without coverage.
 
2012-10-11 12:14:48 PM  
Repost from a redlit thread:

I was diagnosed as diabetic when I was homeless and had medical insurance. That insurance paid for my drugs.
Now I am employed by one of those highly vaunted "small businesses", but I cannot afford insurance on what I get paid, so I can't afford the drugs anymore

/do you think if I go to the ER they'll fill my prescriptions for me?
 
2012-10-11 12:16:15 PM  

netizencain: what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.

This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?


Yes.

Our government run healthcare is cheaper per capita
Other countries government run healthcare is cheaper per capita

We're throwing money away.
 
2012-10-11 12:19:25 PM  

netizencain: what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.

This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?


Do you intend to listen to any answer the RNC does not approve of?
 
2012-10-11 12:22:39 PM  
All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.
 
2012-10-11 12:24:01 PM  

Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.


Yeah, but that was all in Canadian money, which is made of bear turds and the unused hockey pucks of the cancelled NHL season.
 
2012-10-11 12:26:54 PM  

what_now: Yeah, but that was all in Canadian money, which is made of bear turds and the unused hockey pucks of the cancelled NHL season.


The latter is a pretty touchy topic today, on what would have been the Flames home opener.

The tension is palpable.
 
2012-10-11 12:36:51 PM  

Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.


To top it off, I heard that nobody ever actually gets to see a doctor- the wait lists are something like 500 years long.
 
2012-10-11 12:37:32 PM  

Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.


Yeah - sorry aboot that. I got my penis lengthened and then had them trim it back cuz it was dragging on the floor & stuff.
 
2012-10-11 12:38:31 PM  

Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.


It's not a fair comparison, though, because some of the costs are unavoidably higher than they are here. For example, they had to spend $800 trillion developing operating room lighting that was bright enough to allow the surgeon to see, but that didn't throw off enough heat to risk melting the igloo.
 
2012-10-11 12:39:54 PM  

Dinki: Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.

To top it off, I heard that nobody ever actually gets to see a doctor- the wait lists are something like 500 years long.


At least everyone's very polite, and look quite dashing in their sweater-vests.
 
2012-10-11 12:47:45 PM  

Rev.K: 73% of which was waste.


Look, I don't know how many times people need to be told this, but the billions of dollars of research in maple syrup-based bandage adhesive was worthwhile, it just didn't work out. Lesson learned.
 
2012-10-11 12:48:28 PM  

oldfarthenry: Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.

Yeah - sorry aboot that. I got my penis lengthened and then had them trim it back cuz it was dragging on the floor & stuff.


In America, we would've just had our legs lengthened to keep from dragging on the floor instead of trimming back the peen.
And that's why the American health care system is the best in the world.
 
2012-10-11 01:01:04 PM  

FlashHarry: he seriously has zero clue.


but the question remains, will President Punching Bag call him out on this during the debate or will be stare at his shoes some more.
 
2012-10-11 01:04:53 PM  

markie_farkie: Dinki: Rev.K: All I know is that single-payer, universal healthcare in Canada cost $14 quadrillion dollars last year, 73% of which was waste.

To top it off, I heard that nobody ever actually gets to see a doctor- the wait lists are something like 500 years long.

At least everyone's very polite, and look quite dashing in their sweater-vests.


And our polar bear ambulances are really quite dashing. Plus, they eat you if you're just wasting their time, so, efficiencies there.
 
2012-10-11 01:07:04 PM  

what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.


Thank you. I was having a lovely episode with my MS and after waiting an hour in the ER I decided to just go home, load up on my baclofen and wait until I could see my neurologist in the morning.
 
2012-10-11 01:11:57 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: How the fark did this guy ever make money in business?


He was born a millionaire and then made a career out of destroying companies, firing their employees, eliminating their retirement and sending everything over to China. And he did that multiple times. All while paying no taxes and storing his money overseas.

/oh and he worked at a video store for a summer because he likes movies
//made up the thing about the video store
 
2012-10-11 01:20:44 PM  
Well, technically and from a scientific perspective, they're not dying because they don't have insurance. They're dying because they got sick or injured. That's what we in the industry call the "primary cause," of death, anyway, and I apologize for the jargon but it's important to inject some facts in the debate. See, no doctor has ever written down "Not having any insurance" as the primary cause of death. In fact, it doesn't even rate as a primary cause. At most, it's a secondary cause. And I hate to break it to you, but correlation does not imply causation. Understand? The primary cause is the primary cause and just because there's a secondary cause after it doesn't mean they have anything to do with one another. So, for example, in this Process Model:

1) Man gets cancer.
2) Man does not have insurance.
3) Man dies

An uneducated or uninformed voter would see that and think "1 leads to 2 leads to 3." BUT NO. NO! Correlation does not imply causation! The real Process Model is:

1) Man gets cancer
2) Man dies

With the previously included "2" merely being an outlying data point. It may or may not have changed the outcome, who knows? In fact, the only sure point one can make from this model is that the man dies. He will. Die. Eventually. In this particular case, cancer caused death. That's all we can ever know. The insurance question is merely a distraction from that basic point.

And right there....RIGHT. THERE....right in that tight little nutshell is the entire problem with OBAMAcare. See, OBAMAcare is just about addressing SECONDARY causes. It assumes causation when there is only correlation. But OBAMAcare doesn't do anything to address the primary cause itself. Here's the thing: if OBAMA really "cared," he'd have created health care reform that actually addressed that primary cause. The sickness and injury that directly leads to death. THAT would have made a difference.

But, no. He did nothing. People still get sick and injured under OBAMAcare. It doesn't nothing to outlaw cancer or prevent auto accidents or heart disease, which are our nation's leading killers. Instead, he wants people to keep getting sick and injured and only deal with them then. It's like he doesn't care about people being healthy. All he wants to do to healthy people is tax them to pay for sick people. And I'm sorry, Obama, but it's not enough to only care about people after they get sick. You have to care about everyone. Everyone, do you hear me? 

I hope this clears up the flagrant misunderstandings under which people have been operating.
 
2012-10-11 01:23:10 PM  

Pocket Ninja: But, no. He did nothing. People still get sick and injured under OBAMAcare. It doesn't nothing to outlaw cancer or prevent auto accidents or heart disease, which are our nation's leading killers. Instead, he wants people to keep getting sick and injured and only deal with them then. It's like he doesn't care about people being healthy. All he wants to do to healthy people is tax them to pay for sick people. And I'm sorry, Obama, but it's not enough to only care about people after they get sick. You have to care about everyone. Everyone, do you hear me?


I love you.
 
2012-10-11 01:25:48 PM  

Pocket Ninja: But, no. He did nothing. People still get sick and injured under OBAMAcare. It doesn't nothing to outlaw cancer or prevent auto accidents or heart disease, which are our nation's leading killers. Instead, he wants people to keep getting sick and injured and only deal with them then. It's like he doesn't care about people being healthy. All he wants to do to healthy people is tax them to pay for sick people. And I'm sorry, Obama, but it's not enough to only care about people after they get sick. You have to care about everyone. Everyone, do you hear me?


Put a baby in me.
 
2012-10-11 01:28:06 PM  

Elzar: If we elect Romney, he'll make sure these unfortunate folks get post-mortem baptisms - then they will have eternal life. Why do we need better healthcare when we can have eternal life?


Not to mention their very own planet.

Who could say no to that?
 
2012-10-11 01:28:34 PM  

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: he seriously has zero clue.

but the question remains, will President Punching Bag call him out on this during the debate or will be stare at his shoes some more.


THIS. Simply put, if Obama doesn't bring up all this shiat, and respond forcefully to every phony claim that Romney is going to spew out, he will lose the election.
 
2012-10-11 01:29:08 PM  
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2012-10-11 01:29:52 PM  
This is why I go to the ER.

All my medicine and treatment is absolutely free of cost to everyone involved. I don't understand why more people don't support RomneyCare 2.0. It's free, people.
 
2012-10-11 01:32:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Elzar: If we elect Romney, he'll make sure these unfortunate folks get post-mortem baptisms - then they will have eternal life. Why do we need better healthcare when we can have eternal life?

Not to mention their very own planet.

Who could say no to that?


I'm getting sized for my magical briefs as we speak. Unfortunately will probably have to go boxer brief since thongs are a sin against Moranii...
 
2012-10-11 01:39:19 PM  
Of course once again Romney is either stupid or lying.

Emergency Department care IS NOT FREE. Sure, if you have no insurance, they will treat you, but they will send you a bill in the mail. If you can't afford to pay, they can take you to court and garnish your wages or you can apply for a indigent write off. In that case, the Federal and State governments reimburse the hospital.
 
2012-10-11 01:42:00 PM  
Well, he's not lying about his own words, positions, policies, or record. So I guess that's improvement.
 
2012-10-11 01:42:53 PM  

vernonFL: Of course once again Romney is either stupid or lying.

Emergency Department care IS NOT FREE. Sure, if you have no insurance, they will treat you, but they will send you a bill in the mail. If you can't afford to pay, they can take you to court and garnish your wages or you can apply for a indigent write off. In that case, the Federal and State governments reimburse the hospital.


I was going to try to point that out but one only has so much energy.
 
2012-10-11 01:58:10 PM  
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2012-10-11 02:01:49 PM  

vernonFL: Of course once again Romney is either stupid or lying.

Emergency Department care IS NOT FREE. Sure, if you have no insurance, they will treat you, but they will send you a bill in the mail. If you can't afford to pay, they can take you to court and garnish your wages or you can apply for a indigent write off. In that case, the Federal and State governments reimburse the hospital.


He's a morally bankrupt subhuman sack of shiat.

At best he could regain honor with an apologetic suicide note and a self-immolation. If he set fire to Paul Ryan first then I'd almost respect him.
 
2012-10-11 02:03:37 PM  

vernonFL: Of course once again Romney is either stupid or lying.

Emergency Department care IS NOT FREE. Sure, if you have no insurance, they will treat you, but they will send you a bill in the mail. If you can't afford to pay, they can take you to court and garnish your wages or you can apply for a indigent write off. In that case, the Federal and State governments reimburse the hospital.


In Oklahoma they can't garnish your wages or force you into bankruptcy for medical bills. Sure it shows up on your credit but that only matters if you're buying a big ticket item. And frankly if you're buying a big ticket item you should be paying off your medical bill.
 
2012-10-11 02:03:45 PM  
I was pretty sure that every single person ever has died from lack of oxygen to the brain.
 
2012-10-11 02:05:15 PM  

vernonFL: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]


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2012-10-11 02:07:01 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Well it's not a direct cause. Not having insurance causes you to not get treated for some disease which causes you to die. It's like how not breathing doesn't cause you to die. Not breathing causes an oxygen deficiency which causes you to die. He is right you see.


Besides, we all die anyway. What use is there in prolonging the inevitable?
 
2012-10-11 02:07:53 PM  

netizencain: what_now: EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, which it isn't, we need to stop having people use the ER as their primary care. It makes EVERYONE'S health insurance more expensive, and it makes the wait for emergency but not life threatening issues much much longer.

This is my question... if my current insurance is high because I'm having to take care of the uninsured that visit my hospitals, will my insurance go down when that cost is transferred to the government and my taxes?


HAHHAHAHA no.

Now they know you'll pay that much, any drop in their costs will just be improved profits.
 
2012-10-11 02:08:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Well it's not a direct cause. Not having insurance causes you to not get treated for some disease which causes you to die. It's like how not breathing doesn't cause you to die. Not breathing causes an oxygen deficiency which causes you to die. He is right you see.

Besides, we all die anyway. What use is there in prolonging the inevitable?


Seriously. And what's all this stuff about preventing terrorism? It's lack of oxygen that kills you, not a dude in a truck bomb.
 
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