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2012-10-11 01:44:45 PM

Hebalo: BKITU: Leeds: That article was a good read.

It's something that needs to be quoted in fark religion threads. Creationists, flat earthers and moon landing deniers deserve to read that article so they can feel appropriately bad about themselves.

You know who else needs to read the article and feel appropriately bad about themselves?

Randroids.

Agree with all of that, but there's a limit. If I have to back up everything I feel in every conversation, it will be like being in prison with "Skeptics". Sometimes we can discuss things without you needing to back up, prove, and analyze every god damned thing everyone says.


If you have to have every fact at your fingertips to back up what you're saying, what you're having isn't a conversation, it's a debate.
 
2012-10-11 01:45:48 PM
www.bothteamsplayedhard.net
 
2012-10-11 01:46:02 PM

Rent Party: LaraAmber: Mock26: I once had someone ask me what I thought of a particular singer, and when I said that I thought she was not very good he actually told me, "You're wrong." He then proceeded to lecture me on why my opinion was wrong. Years later his arrogance still makes me laugh!

I had one of those, but then he pointed out that "Good" could be interpreted as technical merit. So an artist could be "good" (well trained, hits notes correctly, can do very complex songs without error) but still "not be your style".

Object lesson in why that argument fails.

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/ You've released the farking fury!


I feel that way about Ted Nugent's guitar playing. Whatever song of his was on the early Supernatural seasons, the guitar solo was excellently performed (if you like that sort of thing, it got old after a while). The rest of the song was shiat, and every other song I've been subjected to (only a couple) was the same way in my opinion because the lyrics were repetitive and I don't like his singing voice. That and I think he's a moron in general, but I hadn't knowingly heard his music when I formed that opinion.
 
2012-10-11 01:47:36 PM

Rent Party: I base this on my opinion that you can not reason a person out of a position if they did not first reason themselves into it.


Heh.

/One of my favs too..
//you cannot logic someone out of a viewpoint that they did not logic themselves into...
 
2012-10-11 01:47:53 PM

mooseyfate:
I have an incredibly smart friend of mine that honestly believes the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.


I see this kind of statement all the time, and it confuses me. "My dad is a really smart guy but he thinks Obama is a Kenyans Commie Usurper sponsored by George Soros and the aliens to take over the planet." The "really smart" bit usually comes because he's a doctor or a lawyer or successful in some other area of his life. That doesn't make you smart. It makes you capable of learning.

The mark of intelligence is the ability to interpret accurately the world around you. Your friend clearly lacks that ability, making him not smart, but a dumb ass. You shouldn't say "My friend is really smart." You should say "My friend is a deluded moron."
 
2012-10-11 01:48:35 PM

kiwimoogle84: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.


Would you really? Because defending to the death is a hell of a thing.

BTW, I believe the Earth is disk-shaped, the sun is powered by Unicorn poop, and Windows ME is the best OS ever. Sure you want to take a bullet for that?
 
2012-10-11 01:48:52 PM
Save goes for religious freedom.

You have the right to believe what you like, and worship HOW you like, and people should respect your freedom to do so.
BUT you do NOT have the right to be free from disrespect.

People don't have to respect the CONTENT of your beliefs, but DO need to respect your RIGHT/freedom to choose hold them or not.
(And that "or not" is IMPORTANT, since it ensures no one has the right to IMPOSE their religion or A religion on anyone else.)

(GET your FARKING RELIGION out of my Science classroom!)
 
2012-10-11 01:50:10 PM
The article is a great read and brings up an interesting trend I've seen with certain issues; people trying to present belief as science. Personally, I'm less inclined to call bullshiat on a belief because it's kind of a dick move to question someone's faith. When they start trying to present it as fact and/or science is when I start asking them to back their statements up with proof. Sadly, the media has this flawed assumption that in order to avoid the spectre of bias they need to act as if there are two opposite yet equally valid sides to every issue. They think it's providing balance but it's really just them shirking their responsibilities as journalists.
 
2012-10-11 01:50:32 PM

mooseyfate: I have an incredibly smart friend of mine that honestly believes the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. His argument is that "buildings don't fall like that because a plane hits them.". My argument against that was "How would you know? The only two documented 747 attacks on skyscrapers caused them to collapse just like that.". His counter-argument was just a restatement of his first. I don't understand people sometimes.


I think your error may be in the bolded part. If you correct this then you may be able to solve the riddle.
 
2012-10-11 01:50:48 PM

NutWrench: Meryl Dorey is the leader of the Australian Vaccination Network, which despite the name is vehemently anti-vaccine. Ms. Dorey has no medical qualifications, but argues that if Bob Brown is allowed to comment on nuclear power despite not being a scientist, she should be allowed to comment on vaccines.

Dear Media,
You are not required to present "both sides of the argument" if one side of the argument is a load of crap.


This is a real problem with the news media in this country. I'm all for being fair and balanced, if there's two legitimate sides to an issue, but often there's not. If you're going to have someone on who's gonna talk about how 2+2=4, you don't need to line up some crakpot for the counterpoint of 2+2=6. Now this crackpot thinks their opinion deserves to be heard and can speak as an expert on 2+2 equaling 6 because they've appeared on talking head hour xyz.

Yes you're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it can't be wrong.

"I think gays should have equal rights and be allowed to marry with all the same privileges as hetero couples"

"I think the government should not be involved in marriage at all and any two people gay or straight that want to should be able to get a civil union for the tax benefits and property rights and "marriage" should be left to religious institutions"

"I think gays are the devil and are destroying America and should all be arrested and put in camps like Jesus wanted, if we give gays rights what's next, people marrying their dogs"

Two of those are valid opinions and have a place in a reasonable debate on the subject, but for some reason the third is still given equal creedance.

And if you have one side saying 2+2=4 and the other side arguing that 2+2=6, you don't compromise and agree for 2+2 to equal 5. That also happens far too often.
 
2012-10-11 01:51:06 PM
 
2012-10-11 01:52:25 PM

Rent Party: Slartibartfaster: PallMall: You know what they say about "experts?"

An ex is a has-been, and a xpert is just a little more than a dribble.

/amidoinitrite?

am X is an unknown quantity
a spurt is a drip under pressure

That is how my father taught it to me.


Well down here in Texas, it doubles as a euphemism for an ejaculation from the past... thus the "has been" and "spurt/xpert."
 
2012-10-11 01:52:30 PM

2 Replies: Save goes for religious freedom.

You have the right to believe what you like, and worship HOW you like, and people should respect your freedom to do so.
BUT you do NOT have the right to be free from disrespect.

People don't have to respect the CONTENT of your beliefs, but DO need to respect your RIGHT/freedom to choose hold them or not.
(And that "or not" is IMPORTANT, since it ensures no one has the right to IMPOSE their religion or A religion on anyone else.)

(GET your FARKING RELIGION out of my Science classroom!)


Some people cannot get that the freedom of religion inherently includes the right to not worship anything at all.

You cannot force someone to have a religion. To do so destorys the right of others to worship as they choose.
 
2012-10-11 01:52:33 PM

jjorsett: I prefer to operate on the basis that everyone is entitled to my opinion.


I like that. I find that I'm usually right about things so it really would be best for them anyway.

I don't think of myself as superior in some arrogant way. I really consider myself pretty average. It's just that so many people seem to be below average... way more than half of them actually.
 
2012-10-11 01:52:54 PM
So here's the where it turns ugly. Religions are just people asserting their opinions without facts to support them and insisting that they have a right to make rules and laws for other people because enough people are willing to support their assertions. That's the part that sickens me right there, the ignorant arrogance and the willingness to enforce it on others. Every time science or facts come into the conversation to disprove their assertions suddenly we're "disrespecting their faith". It's not about putting down your faith, it's about picking up facts. If you want to have a belief without any basis in fact that's fine, but don't expect to pass laws over other people because of it(many do), don't expect to receive a free pass on taxes or accountability because of it(many do), don't expect that every other person in the world will treat your beliefs and Gods with the same respect you do because it isn't going to happen no matter how hard you believe it.
 
2012-10-11 01:53:01 PM

Rent Party: mooseyfate:
I have an incredibly smart friend of mine that honestly believes the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

I see this kind of statement all the time, and it confuses me. "My dad is a really smart guy but he thinks Obama is a Kenyans Commie Usurper sponsored by George Soros and the aliens to take over the planet." The "really smart" bit usually comes because he's a doctor or a lawyer or successful in some other area of his life. That doesn't make you smart. It makes you capable of learning.

The mark of intelligence is the ability to interpret accurately the world around you. Your friend clearly lacks that ability, making him not smart, but a dumb ass. You shouldn't say "My friend is really smart." You should say "My friend is a deluded moron."


no. it means he's very adept regarding some aspect of intelligence. unfortunately, he fails to employ that same rigor in other aspects of knowledge/intelligence.

one can be smart and stupid simultaneously. for example, ask me about some stuff, and I'm like a brilliant source of wondrous truth and insight. ask me about my wife's feelings, and I may as well start eating cat litter and aggregating potatoes. 

/ for example, bobby fisher. brilliant chess player, brilliant IQ... total retard on society. or noam chomsky. all around, intelligent person, I mean, he teaches at MIT or something. but also, a total retard.
 
2012-10-11 01:54:49 PM

Sticky Hands: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock you for it.


Or: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend the death your right to shut the fark up."

I ended a 30-yea friendship because my friend couldn't tolerate other opinions. Once, we were discussing a modification to my panoramic camera head, and he said something that was just not true. I replied something like "That's not the problem; X is the problem." To which he replied "Don't attack me." I said "I'm not attacking you, I'm just disagreeing with you." "It's the same thing," he said.

I brought that up months later, and he stood by it. A couple of years later we had an argument over some trivial crap, and I finally realized I couldn't put up with his arrogance and his enormous, fragile ego.

Still miss him sometimes, but then I remember...
 
2012-10-11 01:55:40 PM

Rent Party: mooseyfate:
I have an incredibly smart friend of mine that honestly believes the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

I see this kind of statement all the time, and it confuses me. "My dad is a really smart guy but he thinks Obama is a Kenyans Commie Usurper sponsored by George Soros and the aliens to take over the planet." The "really smart" bit usually comes because he's a doctor or a lawyer or successful in some other area of his life. That doesn't make you smart. It makes you capable of learning.

The mark of intelligence is the ability to interpret accurately the world around you. Your friend clearly lacks that ability, making him not smart, but a dumb ass. You shouldn't say "My friend is really smart." You should say "My friend is a deluded moron."


One stupid opinion doesn't devalue a person's entire worth. It did make me stare at him like he was an idiot for a few minutes, but I assure you he's a damn smart guy. It's not like he's a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob, he's just incredibly ignorant about that one particular topic. I know it's fun to turn everyone on the Internet into a knuckle dragging, pants-on-head retard, but that's certainly not the case with my friend. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
2012-10-11 01:55:49 PM

gopher321: Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one.

 

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2012-10-11 01:56:46 PM

AssAsInAssassin: Sticky Hands: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock you for it.

Or: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend the death your right to shut the fark up."

I ended a 30-yea friendship because my friend couldn't tolerate other opinions. Once, we were discussing a modification to my panoramic camera head, and he said something that was just not true. I replied something like "That's not the problem; X is the problem." To which he replied "Don't attack me." I said "I'm not attacking you, I'm just disagreeing with you." "It's the same thing," he said.

I brought that up months later, and he stood by it. A couple of years later we had an argument over some trivial crap, and I finally realized I couldn't put up with his arrogance and his enormous, fragile ego.

Still miss him sometimes, but then I remember...


Sounds kinda petty. You should call him and make friends again. Hell man, you already put 30 years in to it.
 
2012-10-11 01:57:35 PM

PallMall: AssAsInAssassin: Sticky Hands: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock you for it.

Or: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend the death your right to shut the fark up."

I ended a 30-yea friendship because my friend couldn't tolerate other opinions. Once, we were discussing a modification to my panoramic camera head, and he said something that was just not true. I replied something like "That's not the problem; X is the problem." To which he replied "Don't attack me." I said "I'm not attacking you, I'm just disagreeing with you." "It's the same thing," he said.

I brought that up months later, and he stood by it. A couple of years later we had an argument over some trivial crap, and I finally realized I couldn't put up with his arrogance and his enormous, fragile ego.

Still miss him sometimes, but then I remember...

Sounds kinda petty. You should call him and make friends again. Hell man, you already put 30 years in to it.


Sometimes it's better to just move on.
 
2012-10-11 01:57:40 PM

Hebalo: BKITU: Leeds: That article was a good read.

It's something that needs to be quoted in fark religion threads. Creationists, flat earthers and moon landing deniers deserve to read that article so they can feel appropriately bad about themselves.

You know who else needs to read the article and feel appropriately bad about themselves?

Randroids.

Agree with all of that, but there's a limit. If I have to back up everything I feel in every conversation, it will be like being in prison with "Skeptics". Sometimes we can discuss things without you needing to back up, prove, and analyze every god damned thing everyone says.



Problem being, the people most in need of the ability to defend their position are the ones least likely to be willing to do so. All the "backup, pro(of), and anal(ysis)" you can muster is never going to help people who are unwilling to admit that they themselves don't have those things behind their opinion.
 
2012-10-11 01:57:59 PM
Sounds like he got in a fight with the art department
 
2012-10-11 01:58:16 PM
It drives me up the wall when reporters value neutrality above objectivity. How many times have we seen stories on creationism that contain a paragraph that starts: "Most scientists believe the earth is 4-5 billion years old"?

No, dipshiat. Don't distance yourself from it. The sentence you were looking for is actually "The earth is 4-5 billion years old."
 
2012-10-11 01:58:17 PM

offmymeds: gopher321: Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one. 

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Chinese man born with no anus Probably NSFW
 
2012-10-11 01:59:19 PM

mooseyfate: Sometimes it's better to just move on.


Sometimes.
 
2012-10-11 02:00:26 PM
"I don't accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me, "Well, you haven't been there, have you? You haven't seen it for yourself, so my view that it is made of Norwegian beaver cheese is equally valid"-then I can't even be bothered to argue. There is such a thing as the burden of proof, and in the case of god, as in the case of the composition of the moon, this has shifted radically." - Douglas Adams
 
2012-10-11 02:01:01 PM
Science isn't an opinion, it's a method of establishing fact. If your experimental result contradicts my experimental result then we rerun each others experiment and figure out why it happened. That's why there is the fantastic Journal of Irreproducible Results. If, as in the case of the antivaxxer tards, you haven't run experiments then you should get lumped in the same corner as the flat earthers. The fact that they get any play in the media shows how anti-science the main stream media really is. They've been riding the same band wagon for years and anytime there is some argument between science and the agent orange tards or science and the organic food movement or science and the anti-genetically modified food whackos then the media lines up against science with a lynch rope in hand without fail.
 
2012-10-11 02:01:27 PM

pute kisses like a man:
one can be smart and stupid simultaneously. for example, ask me about some stuff, and I'm like a brilliant source of wondrous truth and insight. ask me about my wife's feelings, and I may as well start eating cat litter and aggregating potatoes. 


Intelligent men use the following phrase liberally during discourse. "I don't know."

For example with the aforementioned retard, his opinion is based on something he thinks he knows. If he were truly intelligent, he would in fact say things like this:

"I don't know how much heat is required to weaken steel I-beams to the point of failure."

"I don't know how much fuel a 727 carries, or what it's burning temperature is."

"I don't know how long it takes or how difficult a task it is to wire up an entire building with high explosives so we could fake a collapse using Boeing jets as cover."

/ WRT your wife's feelings, I have found the best approach is "I can't know. Have some chocolate?"
 
2012-10-11 02:03:24 PM

admiral_neckbeard: kiwimoogle84: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Would you really? Because defending to the death is a hell of a thing.

BTW, I believe the Earth is disk-shaped, the sun is powered by Unicorn poop, and Windows ME is the best OS ever. Sure you want to take a bullet for that?


The WinME comment literally made me want to punch something or someone.
/don't miss tech support
 
2012-10-11 02:04:38 PM

mooseyfate: Rent Party: mooseyfate:
I have an incredibly smart friend of mine that honestly believes the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

I see this kind of statement all the time, and it confuses me. "My dad is a really smart guy but he thinks Obama is a Kenyans Commie Usurper sponsored by George Soros and the aliens to take over the planet." The "really smart" bit usually comes because he's a doctor or a lawyer or successful in some other area of his life. That doesn't make you smart. It makes you capable of learning.

The mark of intelligence is the ability to interpret accurately the world around you. Your friend clearly lacks that ability, making him not smart, but a dumb ass. You shouldn't say "My friend is really smart." You should say "My friend is a deluded moron."

One stupid opinion doesn't devalue a person's entire worth.



But is does devalue their intelligence. If they were really smart, they'd have no stupid opinions.


It did make me stare at him like he was an idiot for a few minutes, but I assure you he's a damn smart guy. It's not like he's a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob,


"9/11 was an inside job" is classic tin-foil hat wearing nutjob territory.


he's just incredibly ignorant about that one particular topic.


And too dumb to recognize it.

Hence, he's a moron.
 
2012-10-11 02:04:43 PM

Rent Party: you can not reason a person out of a position if they did not first reason themselves into it.


I'm stealing this
 
2012-10-11 02:05:12 PM

mooseyfate: It's not like he's a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob, he's just incredibly ignorant about that one particular topic.


I always fall back on "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

I've found that conspiracy theories are fun to play with even if you know it's nearly complete bs. Most of the conspiracy theorists I know question every fact, but give all sides of the discussion equal weight, which is the real problem.
 
2012-10-11 02:06:57 PM

PallMall: offmymeds: gopher321: Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one. 

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Chinese man born with no anus Probably NSFW


My neighbor's kid was actually born without one, too. They had to somehow construct one; I didn't ask for the details.
 
2012-10-11 02:08:30 PM

reillan: Rent Party: you can not reason a person out of a position if they did not first reason themselves into it.

I'm stealing this


It ain't mine! Pay it forward!
 
2012-10-11 02:08:33 PM

PallMall: AssAsInAssassin: Sticky Hands: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock you for it.

Or: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend the death your right to shut the fark up."

I ended a 30-yea friendship because my friend couldn't tolerate other opinions. Once, we were discussing a modification to my panoramic camera head, and he said something that was just not true. I replied something like "That's not the problem; X is the problem." To which he replied "Don't attack me." I said "I'm not attacking you, I'm just disagreeing with you." "It's the same thing," he said.

I brought that up months later, and he stood by it. A couple of years later we had an argument over some trivial crap, and I finally realized I couldn't put up with his arrogance and his enormous, fragile ego.

Still miss him sometimes, but then I remember...

Sounds kinda petty. You should call him and make friends again. Hell man, you already put 30 years in to it.


Each instance was petty. Cumulatively, they reveal a serious personality defect that I got tired of putting up with.
 
2012-10-11 02:10:19 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: FTA: Firstly, what's an opinion? Firstly? A professor of philosophy actually uses this non-word? Good lord.


"Firstly is a non-word" must be one of these "opinions" that the author talks about. In addition to Merriam Webster linked above, it's in the OED with uses dating to 1668 and "fyrstly" going back to 1533. It states that "many writers prefer first", but there's no comment about how it should be considered informal, slang, nonstandard, etc. in it or other dictionaries.
 
2012-10-11 02:10:52 PM

Leeds: That article was a good read.

It's something that needs to be quoted in fark religion threads. Creationists, flat earthers and moon landing deniers deserve to read that article so they can feel appropriately bad about themselves.


Creationism - a theory based on no evidence (with ample evidence to the contrary)
Flat Earthers - a theory based in denial of evidence (you can watch evolution happen if you are patient)
Moon landing - evidence will soon be proven either way, but the NASA declaration to avoid the landing zones is suspicious, I hope this happens soon (I am not a moon landing denier, but .. that act was suspicious)
 
2012-10-11 02:10:53 PM

pkellmey: mooseyfate: It's not like he's a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob, he's just incredibly ignorant about that one particular topic.

I always fall back on "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

I've found that conspiracy theories are fun to play with even if you know it's nearly complete bs. Most of the conspiracy theorists I know question every fact, but give all sides of the discussion equal weight, which is the real problem.


I love conspiracies and crazy assed tin foil hat jobs.

I just don't take them seriously. One of my favorite things to do is to spin up an even crazier story and spin it on them as if I'm dead serious about it.

Did I tell you how Lewis and Clark were actually attacked by aliens in Vermilion, Ohio, and as a result every President of the United States since Monroe has been under their direct mind control?

It's a damn fact, right there in the journals!
 
2012-10-11 02:11:41 PM

AssAsInAssassin: Each instance was petty. Cumulatively, they reveal a serious personality defect that I got tired of putting up with.


Right on.


CapeFearCadaver: PallMall: offmymeds: gopher321: Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one. 

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Chinese man born with no anus Probably NSFW

My neighbor's kid was actually born without one, too. They had to somehow construct one; I didn't ask for the details.


I'm reckon folks without buttholes have opinions too.
 
2012-10-11 02:12:40 PM

PallMall: Well down here in Texas, it doubles as a euphemism for an ejaculation from the past...


That works too

"down her in Texas" bugs me a bit, but I Accept it

// if you are born north the equator, you AINT southern
/ Born down near antarctica
 
2012-10-11 02:14:21 PM

Slartibartfaster: "down her in Texas" bugs me a bit, but I Accept it


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2012-10-11 02:14:41 PM
Considering all the other things they've proven the government lied to us about, why would anyone think that anything is sacrad?

9/11 being an inside job? Why?

to get billions in insurance money to NYC developers to rebuild where an aging structure was standing.
to get the aging structure destroyed so that they could get billions of money spread around to rebuild
to get the publics support to invade Afghanistan (and later Iraq)
to ensure oil and natural gas supplies were being given their proper American priorities
to replace foreign "leaders" with puppets who will play ball with the US agenda
to ensure that we spend billions of dollars over a 10-15 year period on defense contractors
to ensure that the public didn't revolt when they legalized domestic spying
to remove the ability to question the government's actions immediately following the event
to coalesce the fabricated emotion of patriotism
to allow us to blame Muslim extremists and deflect blame for anything and everything away from the people in charge of our own government

all things being equal, it isn't that implausible. Maybe i'm not that smart, perhaps I'm deluded. But, when you go to trial for a murder they look for a motive. There were a lot of motives.
 
2012-10-11 02:15:26 PM

Rent Party: mooseyfate: Rent Party: mooseyfate:
I have an incredibly smart friend of mine that honestly believes the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

I see this kind of statement all the time, and it confuses me. "My dad is a really smart guy but he thinks Obama is a Kenyans Commie Usurper sponsored by George Soros and the aliens to take over the planet." The "really smart" bit usually comes because he's a doctor or a lawyer or successful in some other area of his life. That doesn't make you smart. It makes you capable of learning.

The mark of intelligence is the ability to interpret accurately the world around you. Your friend clearly lacks that ability, making him not smart, but a dumb ass. You shouldn't say "My friend is really smart." You should say "My friend is a deluded moron."

One stupid opinion doesn't devalue a person's entire worth.



But is does devalue their intelligence. If they were really smart, they'd have no stupid opinions.


It did make me stare at him like he was an idiot for a few minutes, but I assure you he's a damn smart guy. It's not like he's a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob,

"9/11 was an inside job" is classic tin-foil hat wearing nutjob territory.


he's just incredibly ignorant about that one particular topic.


And too dumb to recognize it.

Hence, he's a moron.


To you, yes, he's a moron, but this is the Internet so what else is new. To me, he's a friend. One that I value enough not to belittle incessantly over something as insignificant as to wether or not 9/11 was inside job. If he's going to cling to that, let him. I know people with far shiattier opinions regarding things like religion and science, and they're farking schoolteachers.
 
2012-10-11 02:16:00 PM

NannyStatePark: meat0918: Sticky Hands: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock you for it.

Spoken like a true socialist.

//Words my father said to me when I said something similar to what you said. Needless to say, I don't speak much with him anymore since he went off the deep end.

I'd call that libertarian myself.

On Fark, it's open season anyway. Just when I think that things are getting civil I get called names or told by someone what I must think of something marginally related to the issue. If i didn't find it entertaining I'd leave.


That's the nice thing about Fark, someone is always ready to tell me what I believe.
 
2012-10-11 02:16:32 PM
apologies for typos and misspellings. quickly typed on a small keyboard.
 
2012-10-11 02:17:32 PM
Not sure if this related, but I've always thought the phrase "You are entitled to your opinion." or "You have a right to your opinion." as it is used in some discussions, is just downright insulting. At certain points in an argument, the out of nowhere topic of ones rights or entitlements just seems to translate to "You're an idiot, so I don't know what else to say."

If we are discussing something unrelated, I see no point in stopping and listening to you remind me what my civil rights are.
 
2012-10-11 02:18:07 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: NannyStatePark: meat0918: Sticky Hands: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock you for it.

Spoken like a true socialist.

//Words my father said to me when I said something similar to what you said. Needless to say, I don't speak much with him anymore since he went off the deep end.

I'd call that libertarian myself.

On Fark, it's open season anyway. Just when I think that things are getting civil I get called names or told by someone what I must think of something marginally related to the issue. If i didn't find it entertaining I'd leave.

That's the nice thing about Fark, someone is always ready to tell me what I believe.


NO THEY AREN'T, and how dare you think so

/stamps foot
 
2012-10-11 02:19:34 PM

mooseyfate:

To you, yes, he's a moron, but this is the Internet so what else is new. To me, he's a friend. One that I value enough not to belittle incessantly over something as insignificant as to wether or not 9/11 was inside job. If he's going to cling to that, let him. I know people with far shiattier opinions regarding things like religion and science, and they're farking schoolteachers.


It's OK to have dumb friends. God knows I've got enough of them. I've got dumb relatives, too, and most are pretty successful folks. But what I don't do is conflate the fact that just because you're good at something that you're smart. If you believe something that flies in the face of objective reality, and yet insist that what you believe is reflective of objective reality, you're dumb as a box of hammers.
 
2012-10-11 02:23:15 PM

UseLessHuman: So here's the where it turns ugly. Other Religions are just people asserting their opinions without facts to support them and insisting that they have a right to make rules and laws for other people because enough people are willing to support their assertions. That's the part that sickens me right there, the ignorant arrogance and the willingness to enforce it on others. Every time science or facts come into the conversation to disprove their assertions suddenly we're "disrespecting their faith". It's not about putting down your faith, it's about picking up facts. If you want to have a belief without any basis in fact that's fine, but don't expect to pass laws over other people because of it(many do), don't expect to receive a free pass on taxes or accountability because of it(many do), don't expect that every other person in the world will treat your beliefs and Gods with the same respect you do because it isn't going to happen no matter how hard you believe it.

 

FTFY, now you seem more introspective.
 
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