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2012-10-11 11:17:19 AM
6 votes:
At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.
2012-10-11 02:51:35 PM
3 votes:
Question: Why are we treating 'spontaneous' and 'terrorist attack' as two different things?

It's possible they had planned to do something on the 11th, yes, but it's also possible the protests/riots gave them an opportunity to do more than they had planned.

"Holy shiat, it's chaos out there! They won't see us coming! Achmed, quick, get the rocket launcher!"
2012-10-11 11:46:54 AM
3 votes:
It's all about perspective. For example:

More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Or consider that pretty much no one remembers the worst tragedy in NYC prior to 9/11, even though a greater percentage of the city's population died then (1,300 out of 3,400,000, versus 3,000 out of 10,000,000).

Don't get me wrong: I think it's an excellent thing that we cherish each life so dearly, and I in no way want to return to a time where 1.5 million people die in a single battle. But at the same time, there are 300,000,000 of us, and death is inevitably at the end of life. There's no point in pretending otherwise. These things happen.
2012-10-11 03:22:09 PM
2 votes:

Nemo's Brother: People like you will forgive him for anything he does. You're a useful idiot, despite your cool name.


People like me will compare him to the other candidate. That's something that you're not doing.
2012-10-11 03:19:21 PM
2 votes:

pete1729: i personally think Al Q is trying to precipitate regime change in the U.S. The current regime targets Al Q individually and pretty effectively. The opposition promises to ratchet things up, meaning more jobs for guys who sell and use guns.


Well, yeah. Bush was the best farking thing to ever happen to al-Qaeda. He responded to 9/11 by halfassing the search for bin-Laden, giving up, invading a country that was an ENEMY of al-Qaeda, and toppling its government (which allowed al-Qaeda to spread into Iraq). And his invasions were the biggest recruitment drives al-Qaeda had probably ever seen.

Now we have this new guy, who offed bin-Laden, and continues to weaken al-Qaeda by using efficient, targeted raids and drone strikes to take out their leadership. As a result, al-Qaeda is weakened and desperate.

If they ARE following American news, they also know that Romney would be another friend of al-Qaeda. They know he'd likely draw down the drone strikes, to focus on Iran. An invasion of Iran would, again, be a wonderful recruitment opportunity for al-Qaeda, and with another Republican ignoring them, they'd have time to recover and get their leadership back in order.
2012-10-11 03:05:23 PM
2 votes:

Arkanaut: whistleridge: It's all about perspective. For example:

More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Or consider that pretty much no one remembers the worst tragedy in NYC prior to 9/11, even though a greater percentage of the city's population died then (1,300 out of 3,400,000, versus 3,000 out of 10,000,000).

Don't get me wrong: I think it's an excellent thing that we cherish each life so dearly, and I in no way want to return to a time where 1.5 million people die in a single battle. But at the same time, there are 300,000,000 of us, and death is inevitably at the end of life. There's no point in pretending otherwise. These things happen.

Also, over 30,000 people die every year, ten times as many people as the number that died on 9/11/01; and yet we've spent over $1 trillion on wars that may or may not be even related to the 9/11 attacks, but these days Congress will throw a fit if we try to spend that much money on repairing our highways, which will probably save as many lives (and definitely get fewer soldiers killed).


The teachers unions' and construction companies' lobbyists don't contribute to reelection coffers nearly as generously as those of the military-industrial complex. That's why they'd rather spend less money on things like education and roadway maintenance and more on things like fighter jets USAF neither needs nor wants, which has among its components: a red button manufactured in Tumbleweed County, Oklahoma; a button that's a slightly different shade of red, built in Wharrgarbl, Kentucky; the panel those buttons go on, courtesy of factory workers in The, Ohio; special, non-standard screws to hold that panel in place, made in Pendejo, California; and special screwdrivers for those non-standard screws, compliments of machinists in West Quahog, Connecticut.
2012-10-11 02:48:16 PM
2 votes:
I posted in another thread regarding my disdain for government secrecy. I feel that government secrets, secret missions, secret meddling in the affairs of other nations jeopardizes our security, our democracy, and peace. I am glad to see that there are others on this thread who feel that honesty and transparency are the best course for our nation. I am heartened to know that others here, like me, believe that people like Bradley Manning, whether they be Democrats, Republicans, or Independents, should be rewarded for their whistle-blowing services rather than incarcerated.
2012-10-11 02:38:38 PM
2 votes:
Medea Benjamin of Code Pink recently gave a presentation wherein she stated that many Yemenis' cite drone strikes as a major prompter for violent protests in Yemen. I deeply, deeply disapprove of drone strikes. I believe that the CIA, in particular, should be stripped of all access to drones.

However, I will still vote for Obama because he is significantly less insane than Willard "Ground War with Iran Now" Romney. You Republicans drum up and nominate a genuine peace candidate and I will rejoin your ranks.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-11 11:26:23 AM
2 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.


Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link
2012-10-11 05:09:07 PM
1 votes:

vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link


The woman that made the decision to not send additional security to Libya was asked point blank yesterday if the budget was a reason she didn't. She said, "No, sir."

But keep farking that chicken.
2012-10-11 04:59:45 PM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: Lando Lincoln: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Right after we blame Obama for it.

And we'll do that right after we vote to reduce funding for embassy security. Damn, it feels good to be a G(OP)angster!


Right. No money for extra security but plenty for new cars in Vienna. Your talking point is nonsense. Budgets notwithstanding, State Dept had plenty of money to beef up security in embassy hotspots. Instead, they bought new Chevy Volts and gear for such critical embassys as Vienna. This dog won't hunt.
2012-10-11 04:31:26 PM
1 votes:
A man dies and some liberal Fark dumb ass tries to make a political joke about it.
2012-10-11 04:15:39 PM
1 votes:

James! [TotalFark] Smartest Funniest
2012-10-11 12:00:48 PM

SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.


If the admin knew everything about the attacks from the begining you'd be claiming they knew it was coming and did nothing. They didn't know everything about the attacks until about a week after so you're claiming they lied about not knowing.

You mean if the admin was warned ahead of time as is now known?

That it had nothing to do with the video as you moon-bats kept professing?
2012-10-11 03:36:41 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Well, yeah. Bush was the best farking thing to ever happen to al-Qaeda. He responded to 9/11 by halfassing the search for bin-Laden, giving up, invading a country that was an ENEMY of al-Qaeda, and toppling its government (which allowed al-Qaeda to spread into Iraq). And his invasions were the biggest recruitment drives al-Qaeda had probably ever seen.


Help me out here. Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan when you describe a country that hated Bin-Laden? My history books state that Mullah Omar was willing to hand over OBL to Clinton.

/The more you know!
2012-10-11 03:33:17 PM
1 votes:

vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link


Yeah, i guess the $44,900,000,000 budget wasn't enough to put 5 extra guys in a known hostile environment. Ohhhh the budget cuts!!!!
2012-10-11 03:08:18 PM
1 votes:

whistleridge: More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.


This, but because so many of our soldiers are not dying from their wounds as they would have in past wars.

This is an article on traumatic brain injuries from 2010:
An estimated19 percent of the 1.8 million troops who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan - about 342,000 - may have experienced a traumatic brain injury during deployment

And here's one on vascular injuries:
Modern damage control resuscitation (DCR) practices helped reduce case fatality rates to 9.4 percent in the current conflicts compared to 19.1 percent in World War II and 15.8 percent in Vietnam.

So yeah, fewer Americans are dying, but war still sucks.
2012-10-11 02:55:35 PM
1 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.

Yes, how horrible that they did not reveal every detail that they knew about the attacks and didn't declare it to be a terrorist attack *immediately*, without first gathering all the evidence they could. I realize that "make a conclusion and gather information later" is a favorite Conservative mindset, but until you *know* that it is not what it seems at first glance, you don't go out and give a press release on your gut feeling.

The only ones pushing the "the administration lied" are Romney stooges.


They knew within hours from their own sources as well as external ones that here had been no protest but even after gathering the facts, they lied and repeated the lie.

There was no gut feeling involved.

There's no excuse for their lies or for yours.
2012-10-11 02:47:58 PM
1 votes:

hitlersbrain: Things are going to hell today with this whiny liberal crap. Why in my day we would have already invaded Iraq again by now.

We seriously need to re evaluate our choice of allies in the middle east. Yemen and Saudi Arabia are a couple of the most vile countries in the world.


Support research into alternative energy...by that I mean fusion power plants. We're a breakthrough away from telling that entire region to kiss our ass and eat sand forever.
2012-10-11 02:45:27 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.


Yeah, nothing like outting an intelligence agent, or making up some imaginary WMDs.
2012-10-11 02:39:48 PM
1 votes:
i personally think Al Q is trying to precipitate regime change in the U.S. The current regime targets Al Q individually and pretty effectively. The opposition promises to ratchet things up, meaning more jobs for guys who sell and use guns.
2012-10-11 02:37:37 PM
1 votes:
Tor_Eckman
I'm sorry that things are way better now than they were four year ago. Really.

besides not being related to the F'ing thread
this is what you honestly believe?
There's no need to answer, I already know what you will say.

predictable worshipping zealots are predictable
2012-10-11 02:33:00 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: SlothB77: James!: No, I don't think they were.  Do you think the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack as it happened?

Within 24 hours after the attack, the Obama Admin labeled it a terrorist attack - internally, while simulataneously they labeled it a riot in response to the film publicly.


I'd say this is the problem with the Admin's narrative.  In fact, as late as the UN address (which was pretty good by the way) Obama was still hinting that it was video related, and in no way said it was terrorism or a hit, even while talking in detail about Amb. Stevens.
 
I think it is pretty clear the White House was hiding something, or really just had no clue for days after, or made a calculated move to not seperate the Libya assasination from the Egypt, et al, video riots.  Maybe for good reasons.  But to deny they were doing it is really facetious.


It was a lie that the White House and State told at the behest of the CIA. To admit it is to admit that the CIA has activities on the ground in Benghazi important enough to make the White House and the State Dept tell a transparent lie for a week.
2012-10-11 02:25:49 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-10-11 01:30:10 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Aarontology: I'm sure it's all smiles and high fives at the Romney campaign.


If I were them, I'd be thinking about how this sort of thing, and a new recession are going to have to be explained to the people when he's president.  Cuz, I don't see either changing much in the near future.


New recession? Is that like the double dip we were supposed to have? Or maybe the commercial real estate crash that was going to be ten times worse than the housing crash? Or all of the other sky is falling bullshiat that hacks like you have pushing since Obama took office.

You're farking pitiful.

I'm sorry that things are way better now than they were four year ago. Really.
2012-10-11 01:13:58 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: I'm sure it's all smiles and high fives at the Romney campaign.



If I were them, I'd be thinking about how this sort of thing, and a new recession are going to have to be explained to the people when he's president.  Cuz, I don't see either changing much in the near future.
2012-10-11 12:51:36 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: The Obama admin immediately went with 'youtube video riots'. It's not like they said 'we don't know, we are investigating.' Almost immediately they gave a 'press release [with their] gut feeling'.


As would I have, because once you declare something to be an organized terrorist attack, it's a whole new ball game.

Were I President, I'd be extremely careful when declaring something to be terrorism related, so I have no problem with this.

But labeling it as a "lie" is simply partisan hackery. Micky Mouse shiat.
2012-10-11 12:46:02 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: James!: No, I don't think they were.  Do you think the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack as it happened?

Within 24 hours after the attack, the Obama Admin labeled it a terrorist attack - internally, while simulataneously they labeled it a riot in response to the film publicly.



I'd say this is the problem with the Admin's narrative.  In fact, as late as the UN address (which was pretty good by the way) Obama was still hinting that it was video related, and in no way said it was terrorism or a hit, even while talking in detail about Amb. Stevens.
 
I think it is pretty clear the White House was hiding something, or really just had no clue for days after, or made a calculated move to not seperate the Libya assasination from the Egypt, et al, video riots.  Maybe for good reasons.  But to deny they were doing it is really facetious.
2012-10-11 12:13:14 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: James!: If the admin knew everything about the attacks from the begining you'd be claiming they knew it was coming and did nothing.

I'll make that claim. The current president of Libya even said they were warned of an impending attack. Exactly when, maybe they didn't have those details. But they were warned.

Do you think the GOP congresscritters that voted to cut embassy security funding were aware of those warnings of impending attacks on the embassies? That definitely makes a difference.



No, I don't think they were.  Do you think the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack as it happened?
2012-10-11 12:12:14 PM
1 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.

Yes, how horrible that they did not reveal every detail that they knew about the attacks and didn't declare it to be a terrorist attack *immediately*, without first gathering all the evidence they could. I realize that "make a conclusion and gather information later" is a favorite Conservative mindset, but until you *know* that it is not what it seems at first glance, you don't go out and give a press release on your gut feeling.

The only ones pushing the "the administration lied" are Romney stooges.


The Obama admin immediately went with 'youtube video riots'. It's not like they said 'we don't know, we are investigating.' Almost immediately they gave a 'press release [with their] gut feeling'.
2012-10-11 12:09:30 PM
1 votes:
Why is a Hot Air link being posted to main and not the politics tab? The entire article is a partisan hit-piece and doesn't really contain any actual "news."

/FIRE THE FARKIN FREEPMIN
2012-10-11 12:05:05 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.


Yes, how horrible that they did not reveal every detail that they knew about the attacks and didn't declare it to be a terrorist attack *immediately*, without first gathering all the evidence they could. I realize that "make a conclusion and gather information later" is a favorite Conservative mindset, but until you *know* that it is not what it seems at first glance, you don't go out and give a press release on your gut feeling.

The only ones pushing the "the administration lied" are Romney stooges.
2012-10-11 12:04:28 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.


Fox News-watching people are.
2012-10-11 12:04:02 PM
1 votes:

whistleridge: Don't get me wrong: I think it's an excellent thing that we cherish each life so dearly, and I in no way want to return to a time where 1.5 million people die in a single battle. But at the same time, there are 300,000,000 of us, and death is inevitably at the end of life. There's no point in pretending otherwise. These things happen.


"A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths, a statistic." Josef Stalin
2012-10-11 11:56:57 AM
1 votes:
This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.
2012-10-11 11:44:08 AM
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Right after we blame Obama for it.


And we'll do that right after we vote to reduce funding for embassy security. Damn, it feels good to be a G(OP)angster!
2012-10-11 11:34:30 AM
1 votes:
he might try to stop house republicans from gutting embassy security funding.
2012-10-11 11:32:03 AM
1 votes:
Did someone post a new video to youtube?
 
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