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2012-10-11 02:48:29 PM  

Lando Lincoln: SlothB77: People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.

Fox News-watching people are.


Which is why Fox is the most truthful news outlet.
 
2012-10-11 02:50:32 PM  

Tor_Eckman: Unless it in any way makes him look good. Then he had nothing to do with it, and actually just failed at failing because he is a total failure that never even held a job and has teh dumb and socialism and furthermoresuch as.



FTFY
 
2012-10-11 02:51:35 PM  
Question: Why are we treating 'spontaneous' and 'terrorist attack' as two different things?

It's possible they had planned to do something on the 11th, yes, but it's also possible the protests/riots gave them an opportunity to do more than they had planned.

"Holy shiat, it's chaos out there! They won't see us coming! Achmed, quick, get the rocket launcher!"
 
2012-10-11 02:51:50 PM  

whistleridge: It's all about perspective. For example:

More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Or consider that pretty much no one remembers the worst tragedy in NYC prior to 9/11, even though a greater percentage of the city's population died then (1,300 out of 3,400,000, versus 3,000 out of 10,000,000).

Don't get me wrong: I think it's an excellent thing that we cherish each life so dearly, and I in no way want to return to a time where 1.5 million people die in a single battle. But at the same time, there are 300,000,000 of us, and death is inevitably at the end of life. There's no point in pretending otherwise. These things happen.


Also, over 30,000 people die every year, ten times as many people as the number that died on 9/11/01; and yet we've spent over $1 trillion on wars that may or may not be even related to the 9/11 attacks, but these days Congress will throw a fit if we try to spend that much money on repairing our highways, which will probably save as many lives (and definitely get fewer soldiers killed).
 
2012-10-11 02:54:39 PM  

Aarontology: I'm sure it's all smiles and high fives at the Romney campaign.


Have they come out with their press release condemning the administration's apology to the terrorists and affirming their disdain for anyone who supports Obama, while forgetting to extend their condolences to the families of the dead man?
 
2012-10-11 02:55:09 PM  
I'm guessing Big Bird wouldn't have killed him. But that's just a guess.
 
2012-10-11 02:55:35 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.

Yes, how horrible that they did not reveal every detail that they knew about the attacks and didn't declare it to be a terrorist attack *immediately*, without first gathering all the evidence they could. I realize that "make a conclusion and gather information later" is a favorite Conservative mindset, but until you *know* that it is not what it seems at first glance, you don't go out and give a press release on your gut feeling.

The only ones pushing the "the administration lied" are Romney stooges.


They knew within hours from their own sources as well as external ones that here had been no protest but even after gathering the facts, they lied and repeated the lie.

There was no gut feeling involved.

There's no excuse for their lies or for yours.
 
2012-10-11 02:57:46 PM  

Arkanaut: whistleridge: It's all about perspective. For example:

More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Or consider that pretty much no one remembers the worst tragedy in NYC prior to 9/11, even though a greater percentage of the city's population died then (1,300 out of 3,400,000, versus 3,000 out of 10,000,000).

Don't get me wrong: I think it's an excellent thing that we cherish each life so dearly, and I in no way want to return to a time where 1.5 million people die in a single battle. But at the same time, there are 300,000,000 of us, and death is inevitably at the end of life. There's no point in pretending otherwise. These things happen.

Also, over 30,000 people die every year, ten times as many people as the number that died on 9/11/01; and yet we've spent over $1 trillion on wars that may or may not be even related to the 9/11 attacks, but these days Congress will throw a fit if we try to spend that much money on repairing our highways, which will probably save as many lives (and definitely get fewer soldiers killed).


This is because the politicians are greased by private companies that deign to force toll roads on us. That alone represents a true victory for the free market, capitalism and an end to the Eisenhower Socialist Agenda of making roads that just anyone can use for free. "We built that".
Bravo!
 
2012-10-11 02:58:04 PM  
I think Dept. of State needs to erect a few more billboards in Yemen (like we did in Libya) that promote Unity, Peace and working together. That, and a new visitors center, would head off a lot of trouble.

Thankfully this was not an American, just a hired hand. Phew, close one.

This was just an anomoly anyways, I mean who would guess Yemen could have any radicals or be prone to anti western views. That is just not something we would know.
 
2012-10-11 03:01:47 PM  

Lunaville: Medea Benjamin of Code Pink recently gave a presentation wherein she stated that many Yemenis' cite drone strikes as a major prompter for violent protests in Yemen. I deeply, deeply disapprove of drone strikes. I believe that the CIA, in particular, should be stripped of all access to drones.

However, I will still vote for Obama because he is significantly less insane than Willard "Ground War with Iran Now" Romney. You Republicans drum up and nominate a genuine peace candidate and I will rejoin your ranks.


So what you're saying is this will come up in the debate? "President Obama do you believe that your drone strike "kill list" had something to do with the Yemen embassy attack? and are you prepared to change the way you operate to reduce future violence?"
 
2012-10-11 03:03:27 PM  

Lando Lincoln: SlothB77: People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.

Fox News-watching people are.


People like you will forgive him for anything he does. You're a useful idiot, despite your cool name.
 
2012-10-11 03:05:23 PM  

Arkanaut: whistleridge: It's all about perspective. For example:

More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Or consider that pretty much no one remembers the worst tragedy in NYC prior to 9/11, even though a greater percentage of the city's population died then (1,300 out of 3,400,000, versus 3,000 out of 10,000,000).

Don't get me wrong: I think it's an excellent thing that we cherish each life so dearly, and I in no way want to return to a time where 1.5 million people die in a single battle. But at the same time, there are 300,000,000 of us, and death is inevitably at the end of life. There's no point in pretending otherwise. These things happen.

Also, over 30,000 people die every year, ten times as many people as the number that died on 9/11/01; and yet we've spent over $1 trillion on wars that may or may not be even related to the 9/11 attacks, but these days Congress will throw a fit if we try to spend that much money on repairing our highways, which will probably save as many lives (and definitely get fewer soldiers killed).


The teachers unions' and construction companies' lobbyists don't contribute to reelection coffers nearly as generously as those of the military-industrial complex. That's why they'd rather spend less money on things like education and roadway maintenance and more on things like fighter jets USAF neither needs nor wants, which has among its components: a red button manufactured in Tumbleweed County, Oklahoma; a button that's a slightly different shade of red, built in Wharrgarbl, Kentucky; the panel those buttons go on, courtesy of factory workers in The, Ohio; special, non-standard screws to hold that panel in place, made in Pendejo, California; and special screwdrivers for those non-standard screws, compliments of machinists in West Quahog, Connecticut.
 
2012-10-11 03:08:18 PM  

whistleridge: More Americans died in one day in one minor Civil War battle that no one but historians, Civil War buffs and residents of Richmond VA remember than have died thus far in all of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.


This, but because so many of our soldiers are not dying from their wounds as they would have in past wars.

This is an article on traumatic brain injuries from 2010:
An estimated19 percent of the 1.8 million troops who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan - about 342,000 - may have experienced a traumatic brain injury during deployment

And here's one on vascular injuries:
Modern damage control resuscitation (DCR) practices helped reduce case fatality rates to 9.4 percent in the current conflicts compared to 19.1 percent in World War II and 15.8 percent in Vietnam.

So yeah, fewer Americans are dying, but war still sucks.
 
2012-10-11 03:09:11 PM  
Clearly if we just stop offending them and pumping out cartoons every day about mohammed this all would stop and they really are a religion of peace! Why cant we stop offending them?! WHY!?
 
2012-10-11 03:12:11 PM  
Who cares? He's he goddam big bird.
 
2012-10-11 03:12:53 PM  

shifty lookin bleeder: ZOMFG! WTF is going on!? Nobody ever got killed before Obama was president. I can't wait for November!



Just out of curiousity, who was our last ambassador to be targetted and killed?  Off to the google machine!!!
 
2012-10-11 03:19:21 PM  

pete1729: i personally think Al Q is trying to precipitate regime change in the U.S. The current regime targets Al Q individually and pretty effectively. The opposition promises to ratchet things up, meaning more jobs for guys who sell and use guns.


Well, yeah. Bush was the best farking thing to ever happen to al-Qaeda. He responded to 9/11 by halfassing the search for bin-Laden, giving up, invading a country that was an ENEMY of al-Qaeda, and toppling its government (which allowed al-Qaeda to spread into Iraq). And his invasions were the biggest recruitment drives al-Qaeda had probably ever seen.

Now we have this new guy, who offed bin-Laden, and continues to weaken al-Qaeda by using efficient, targeted raids and drone strikes to take out their leadership. As a result, al-Qaeda is weakened and desperate.

If they ARE following American news, they also know that Romney would be another friend of al-Qaeda. They know he'd likely draw down the drone strikes, to focus on Iran. An invasion of Iran would, again, be a wonderful recruitment opportunity for al-Qaeda, and with another Republican ignoring them, they'd have time to recover and get their leadership back in order.
 
2012-10-11 03:20:22 PM  

Arkanaut: Also, over 30,000 people die every year


I probably should have specified "in traffic accidents", although that becomes more obvious from the rest of my post.
 
2012-10-11 03:22:09 PM  

Nemo's Brother: People like you will forgive him for anything he does. You're a useful idiot, despite your cool name.


People like me will compare him to the other candidate. That's something that you're not doing.
 
2012-10-11 03:26:30 PM  

I_C_Weener: shifty lookin bleeder: ZOMFG! WTF is going on!? Nobody ever got killed before Obama was president. I can't wait for November!


Just out of curiousity, who was our last ambassador to be targetted and killed?  Off to the google machine!!!


 
According to the State Department Office of the Historian, five U.S. ambassadors have been killed by terrorists:

-Adolph Dubs, in Afghanistan, 1979

-Francis E. Meloy Jr., in Lebanon, 1976

-Rodger P. Davies, in Cyprus, 1974

-Cleo A. Noel Jr., in Sudan, 1973

-John Gordon Mein, in Guatemala, 1968
 
Turns out it was the Yahoo News! machine.  It must have sucked being an Ambassador in the 1970s.
 
2012-10-11 03:31:33 PM  
Someone needs to remind me why we have diplomatic relations with countries that don't have functioning governments? (And the flip side, why we didn't have relations with some countries that did have functioning governments?) I say let areas like this fight amongst themselves and then we can decide if the winning surviving faction wants to sit down and have a chat like civilized people.
 
2012-10-11 03:33:17 PM  

vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link


Yeah, i guess the $44,900,000,000 budget wasn't enough to put 5 extra guys in a known hostile environment. Ohhhh the budget cuts!!!!
 
2012-10-11 03:36:41 PM  

LordJiro: Well, yeah. Bush was the best farking thing to ever happen to al-Qaeda. He responded to 9/11 by halfassing the search for bin-Laden, giving up, invading a country that was an ENEMY of al-Qaeda, and toppling its government (which allowed al-Qaeda to spread into Iraq). And his invasions were the biggest recruitment drives al-Qaeda had probably ever seen.


Help me out here. Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan when you describe a country that hated Bin-Laden? My history books state that Mullah Omar was willing to hand over OBL to Clinton.

/The more you know!
 
2012-10-11 03:50:19 PM  

whistleridge: Or consider that pretty much no one remembers the worst tragedy in NYC prior to 9/11, even though a greater percentage of the city's population died then (1,300 out of 3,400,000, versus 3,000 out of 10,000,000).


General Slow Cum is going to be my porn star name.
 
2012-10-11 03:58:40 PM  
What is the point of terrorism?

Answer that, then let's ask ourselves why would should help Al Qaeda by spreading word about coordinated 911 anniversary attacks on American interests while they are happening.

No, we let things blow over and save lives.

I think we can wait until the anniversary is well passed before we inform a worldwide group autonomous Al Qaeda (and similar) cells throughout the world via ,the media, that it's an extra spectacular time for an Islamists PR version of the Tet Offensive.

What impresses me, is how, why and if the Mohammad video was used so widely as a distraction.
 
2012-10-11 03:59:05 PM  
Yemen is so farked that even the Saudis hate them. I have been to many placed in the Middle East- would feel much safer in Iran or Iraq than in Yemen.
 
2012-10-11 04:06:28 PM  

jaybeezey: vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link

Yeah, i guess the $44,900,000,000 budget wasn't enough to put 5 extra guys in a known hostile environment. Ohhhh the budget cuts!!!!


5 extra guys against up to 100 militants. Extra guys? You mean 5 extra Rambos'!!!
 
2012-10-11 04:13:21 PM  
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2012-10-11 04:15:39 PM  

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2012-10-11 12:00:48 PM

SlothB77: This is just more evidence that these embassy attacks are planned terrorist attacks and not impromptu riots, which is the template the Admin was toting.

People are upset the Admin lied about the Libya attack.


If the admin knew everything about the attacks from the begining you'd be claiming they knew it was coming and did nothing. They didn't know everything about the attacks until about a week after so you're claiming they lied about not knowing.

You mean if the admin was warned ahead of time as is now known?

That it had nothing to do with the video as you moon-bats kept professing?
 
2012-10-11 04:31:26 PM  
A man dies and some liberal Fark dumb ass tries to make a political joke about it.
 
2012-10-11 04:58:07 PM  

hdhale: Without looking at the link...Malvern Tavern. Union general Porter teaches the Army of Northern Virgina that charging cannons can be hazardous to your health.

You'd think after that pasting that Pickett's Charge would never happen. Some people never learn.


That's what you would get for thinking. After all, the Army of the Potomac turned around and doubled-down on the same tactic at Fredericksburg just 6 months later.

RedT: So yeah, fewer Americans are dying, but war still sucks.

True, but overall casualties are just generally lower. Mostly due to the fact that we keep fighting people with 1/100,000,000th the resources we have. Afghanistan was expensive and a lot of people served there, but in terms of historical stature it really has more in common with the Phillippine Rebellion than it does with Vietnam or Korea. When was the last time our pilots had to brave Taliban SAMs or Al-Qaeda high-altitude interceptors?

Satanic_Hamster: General Slow Cum is going to be my porn star name.


You are a bad person for typing that, and I am a bad person for literally laughing out loud at it.
 
2012-10-11 04:59:45 PM  

give me doughnuts: Lando Lincoln: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Right after we blame Obama for it.

And we'll do that right after we vote to reduce funding for embassy security. Damn, it feels good to be a G(OP)angster!


Right. No money for extra security but plenty for new cars in Vienna. Your talking point is nonsense. Budgets notwithstanding, State Dept had plenty of money to beef up security in embassy hotspots. Instead, they bought new Chevy Volts and gear for such critical embassys as Vienna. This dog won't hunt.
 
2012-10-11 05:09:07 PM  

vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link


The woman that made the decision to not send additional security to Libya was asked point blank yesterday if the budget was a reason she didn't. She said, "No, sir."

But keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-10-11 05:12:07 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: give me doughnuts: Lando Lincoln: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Right after we blame Obama for it.

And we'll do that right after we vote to reduce funding for embassy security. Damn, it feels good to be a G(OP)angster!

Right. No money for extra security but plenty for new cars in Vienna. Your talking point is nonsense. Budgets notwithstanding, State Dept had plenty of money to beef up security in embassy hotspots. Instead, they bought new Chevy Volts and gear for such critical embassys as Vienna. This dog won't hunt.


Why do you hate America? Of course we needed those cars, according to your very own article, we had plenty of unarmed $4 an hour guards on duty.

Geez, Americans and their high expectations. Go live in the real world some time.
 
2012-10-11 05:16:47 PM  

Alonjar: Lt. Cheese Weasel: give me doughnuts: Lando Lincoln: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Right after we blame Obama for it.

And we'll do that right after we vote to reduce funding for embassy security. Damn, it feels good to be a G(OP)angster!

Right. No money for extra security but plenty for new cars in Vienna. Your talking point is nonsense. Budgets notwithstanding, State Dept had plenty of money to beef up security in embassy hotspots. Instead, they bought new Chevy Volts and gear for such critical embassys as Vienna. This dog won't hunt.

Why do you hate America? Of course we needed those cars, according to your very own article, we had plenty of unarmed $4 an hour guards on duty.

Geez, Americans and their high expectations. Go live in the real world some time.


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'Captain, the sarcasm warp shields have gone critical. One more blast like that last one and I kennah guarantee she'll hold.'
 
2012-10-11 05:20:20 PM  

Brubold: vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link

The woman that made the decision to not send additional security to Libya was asked point blank yesterday if the budget was a reason she didn't. She said, "No, sir."

But keep farking that chicken.


imageshack.us
Liberals stopped farking that poor bird months ago. They moved onto something else. Poor chicken.
 
2012-10-11 06:52:21 PM  

Brubold: vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link

The woman that made the decision to not send additional security to Libya was asked point blank yesterday if the budget was a reason she didn't. She said, "No, sir."

But keep farking that chicken.


But...but...but....Republicans!!
 
2012-10-11 07:38:45 PM  

pedobearapproved: Lunaville: Medea Benjamin of Code Pink recently gave a presentation wherein she stated that many Yemenis' cite drone strikes as a major prompter for violent protests in Yemen. I deeply, deeply disapprove of drone strikes. I believe that the CIA, in particular, should be stripped of all access to drones.

However, I will still vote for Obama because he is significantly less insane than Willard "Ground War with Iran Now" Romney. You Republicans drum up and nominate a genuine peace candidate and I will rejoin your ranks.

So what you're saying is this will come up in the debate? "President Obama do you believe that your drone strike "kill list" had something to do with the Yemen embassy attack? and are you prepared to change the way you operate to reduce future violence?"


Wow, I really don't believe it will, but wouldn't that be awesome? I'd certainly be interested in his response.
 
2012-10-11 07:39:26 PM  

vpb: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: At some point we're gonna realize as a nation that Americans can potentially actually die when stationed in dangerous countries.

Especially if you don't want to pay for their security because you don't like their boss.


Link


BIG BIRD. BIG BIRD, YO. BIG BIRD.
 
2012-10-11 07:42:51 PM  

atomicmask: Clearly if we just stop offending them and pumping out cartoons every day about mohammed this all would stop and they really are a religion of peace! Why cant we stop offending them?! WHY!?


Possibly because we occasionally kill entire wedding parties: men, women, and children, via remote control drone strikes that are operated by "pilots" safely ensconced in air-conditioned facilities here in the USA?
 
2012-10-12 12:45:58 AM  

choo: Why is a Hot Air link being posted to main and not the politics tab? The entire article is a partisan hit-piece and doesn't really contain any actual "news."

/FIRE THE FARKIN FREEPMIN


I've still got half a barrel of "Butt Hurt BeGone" left over from the Bush years, want some?
 
2012-10-12 12:20:03 PM  

Slam1263: I've still got half a barrel of "Butt Hurt BeGone" left over from the Bush years, want some?


Gee willikers, that's hardcore man, I have never seen such a scathing comment in my life! I bow to your awesomeness and suderp intelligence.  You deserve a free month of TF.
 
2012-10-13 03:56:45 PM  

choo: Slam1263: I've still got half a barrel of "Butt Hurt BeGone" left over from the Bush years, want some?

Gee willikers, that's hardcore man, I have never seen such a scathing comment in my life! I bow to your awesomeness and suderp intelligence.  You deserve a free month of TF.


I would like to thank all of the little people who made this great honor possible. And if I had cared enough to think of them as humans, I would have learned their names.

So let me thank those that I can remember. Thank you Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, and Vixen.

I'd also like to thank Blixen, Elmo, Matt Drudge, and Whatshername from craft services.

Thank you all.

/thank choo
 
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