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(BBC)   Here's a short bio on Malala Yousafzai, the 14 year old girl recovering after being shot in the head by the Taliban for campaigning to go to school. Go tell the apathetic whiny teenager in your life to get a grip and be thankful   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 128
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2012-10-11 10:26:48 AM
Intelligent, brave and a hottie. Plus, she's legal in that jurisdiction. Time to get a passport.
 
2012-10-11 10:27:11 AM

SuperT: what_nowYou cannot stop hatred and ignorance through violence.

the thoughts? no. the ability or will of people to act on that hatred and/or ignorance. absolutely.


For how long? Forever? Do we keep the troops there forever? What's the exit strategy for "Operation Crossing Guard"?
 
2012-10-11 10:28:44 AM

Dr Dreidel: Abraham? The one who, according to tradition, upset the applecart of polytheism in the first place (making him something of a liberal revolutionary for his time)? You may as well say that, to prevent Typhus, you want to go back and murder Typhoid Mary. It may alleviate some problems, but that one person wasn't the cause of (and won't be the solution to) your problem.


You understand my sentiment exactly. Most likely, there were other monotheistic religions before him. However, his cult and it's derivatives seem to have wreaked the most havoc on the human stage.

That was my point.
 
2012-10-11 10:29:28 AM

what_now: Dr Dreidel: Lest we forget.

// didn't end racism in the US/South, not by a long shot, but when people see that you're willing to do whatever it takes - and they see that the consequences of "letting the (black) girl go to school are...nothing - they're less likely to keep buying the bullshiat

That was our own country. Our own troops, not an invading force.

You have to see the difference.


Your OP didn't specify, so I thought I'd offer you a countering circumstance. And the people in the South very much thought of those NG troops as "invaders", "imposing their (Federal) will" on a "sovereign state" at the point of a gun.

// a bit weird that the Feds used the Alabama NG - a state-controlled militia - to enforce Federal law rather than the actual Army, but whatevs
 
2012-10-11 10:29:33 AM
I suppose it's only so many days before some Limbaugh Taliban supporter shoots Sandra Fluke.
 
2012-10-11 10:32:02 AM
What a bunch of badasses shooting a 14 yr old girl that wanted to go to school. Just because she didnt want to be barefoot and pregnant. I really hope one day all these religious wackos around the world just off themselves or something.
 
2012-10-11 10:32:20 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: what_now: You cannot stop hatred and ignorance through violence.

The part that "The U.S. military can fix EVERYTHING!" types don't like to admit about democracy and freedom is that some people don't want it.

You have to have that spark already inside of people before you can help them ignite it. I don't think we see that spark in places like Afghanistan and many regions of Pakistan yet. Maybe someday, but not now.

People over there can be outraged about this all they want, but they brought it on themselves and if they aren't willing to steel their resolve and start fighting back of their own accord, it's just going to keep happening. I'm all for helping people put down rabid animals like the Taliban, but they have to start the fight and seek the assistance, we can't just do it for them or the collateral damage just winds up strengthening the enemy we're trying to stop.


Don't forget that once they have beaten the extremists within they had best pay heed to our ecenomic/strategic interests within the region or we'll put them down like dogs next.
 
2012-10-11 10:32:28 AM

master_dman: Religion of peace people.

To all you apologists out there.. YOU have it backwards.

In Islam.. about 10% are decent upstanding world citizens.
The other 90% want to kill everybody and force sharia law on everyone.


Do you also make up stats for Mitt Romney?
 
2012-10-11 10:32:53 AM

A Fark Handle: you could just kill them all and skip the age based genocide. if they are all dead, problem solved and there not even a need to open schools for anyone.


I would be violently outraged if my country started committing mass genocide and I don't think I'd be alone. I don't think shifting your problems from one place to another really counts as solving them.

ronaprhys: I've bolded a point that you seem to have missed.


No, I didn't miss it, I ignored it because it's just wrong because your entire premise is wrong on numerous points. Your reasoning is flawed on numerous counts not the least of which being the technical impossibility of even carrying out your entirely stupid and useless "plan". It would work, it would solve nothing and none of the things you said are feasible or, if they were, likely to have the outcome you suggest.

Again, I say: your entire comment was pointless and stupid and I don't know why you bothered to make it.
 
2012-10-11 10:33:13 AM

H31N0US: Dr Dreidel: Abraham? The one who, according to tradition, upset the applecart of polytheism in the first place (making him something of a liberal revolutionary for his time)? You may as well say that, to prevent Typhus, you want to go back and murder Typhoid Mary. It may alleviate some problems, but that one person wasn't the cause of (and won't be the solution to) your problem.

You understand my sentiment exactly. Most likely, there were other monotheistic religions before him. However, his cult and it's derivatives seem to have wreaked the most havoc on the human stage.

That was my point.


I'd argue that, given human nature, the only difference would be the names and leaders of said cults or other power structures. Power-hungry humans will find a way to subjugate other humans and will use whatever means of justification they can sell to make it happen.
 
2012-10-11 10:35:45 AM

Dr Dreidel: // a bit weird that the Feds used the Alabama NG - a state-controlled militia - to enforce Federal law rather than the actual Army, but whatevs


Not weird at all- using the Army would be a violation of the Posse Comitatus act.

You can ONLY use National Guard troops inside the United States.
 
2012-10-11 10:35:48 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: A Fark Handle: you could just kill them all and skip the age based genocide. if they are all dead, problem solved and there not even a need to open schools for anyone.

I would be violently outraged if my country started committing mass genocide and I don't think I'd be alone. I don't think shifting your problems from one place to another really counts as solving them.


sounds like we just need to kill a few more folks locally as well.

/i wasn't serious
 
2012-10-11 10:36:53 AM
Truly tragic. My heart goes out to her and her parents.
 
2012-10-11 10:37:54 AM

sodomizer: Oh, she blogs for BBC Urdu? Surely there's no connection to Western intelligence agencies there.


I'm sure they had this 14 year old on their payroll.
 
2012-10-11 10:38:44 AM

H31N0US: Dr Dreidel: Abraham? The one who, according to tradition, upset the applecart of polytheism in the first place (making him something of a liberal revolutionary for his time)? You may as well say that, to prevent Typhus, you want to go back and murder Typhoid Mary. It may alleviate some problems, but that one person wasn't the cause of (and won't be the solution to) your problem.

You understand my sentiment exactly. Most likely, there were other monotheistic religions before him. However, his cult and it's derivatives seem to have wreaked the most havoc on the human stage.

That was my point.


No... Uniting brings peace.

Abrahamic faiths are just the largest, but the law and order that comes with religion brings an end to tribalism and the strife that occurs in the absence of hegemony. Think Africa, different tribes murder each-other simply for being different tribes. Religion provides a nongenetic based system for unifying people into supratribes, it's a belief in an idea that unifies people. People of different races can become brothers.

Religion brings peace and is very useful. Just some religions are better than others.
 
2012-10-11 10:38:56 AM

strangeguitar: machoprogrammer: Girl is definitely a hero

 
2012-10-11 10:39:13 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I would be violently outraged if my country started committing mass genocide and I don't think I'd be alone. I don't think shifting your problems from one place to another really counts as solving them.


I would also be violently outraged if we started doing that. However, that doesn't obviate that point that it would fix the problem of hatred and ignorance in that region.

No, I didn't miss it, I ignored it because it's just wrong because your entire premise is wrong on numerous points. Your reasoning is flawed on numerous counts not the least of which being the technical impossibility of even carrying out your entirely stupid and useless "plan". It would work, it would solve nothing and none of the things you said are feasible or, if they were, likely to have the outcome you suggest.

Not wrong, but not easy to accomplish. I also pointed out that the question of whether or not one should even consider such a horrific act would have to be weighed against the cost of doing nothing or the other alternatives. If, in fact, the cost of doing nothing is even worse than the cost of mass killings of this scale (it may or may not be genocide, depending on the implementation) is worse than the cost of the mass killings, then it could be considered worth it. I'm not saying I could even envision a circumstance where this is the case, but the point stands that this would, in fact, work.

Again, I say: your entire comment was pointless and stupid and I don't know why you bothered to make it.

No one ever said the truth was tasteful and that seems to be your issue here. You find this to be a horrific act (as do I). As such, you react emotionally and refuse to consider that it would work.

I'd have to ask - do you also subscribe to the false premise that "violence never solves anything"?
 
2012-10-11 10:40:47 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I really hope this is the turning point against these assholes in the region. The Taliban isn't exactly widely popular as it is, maybe this is what will finally push people over the edge and some righteous outrage can overwhelm their fear and lead a big backlash to push these useless twats back into their caves where they belong.


The populace being against them is only part of the answer. Another part is that something must be in place to fill the void. In a region where there is scant regard for the rule of duly enacted laws and where rights are not considered inviolable but granted at the whim of whoever currently holds the reins of power, resistance is insufficient to solve the problem.

The Taliban are extremists who only respond to force. If you take out a bunch of their leaders, there are plenty of replacements ready to take their place. Unless there is a strong constitutional democracy and everyone agrees to follow the rules, nothing any Western nation can do will solve the problem.

The contrast of governments in the Middle East to America is striking, but it also defines why we work and a lot of the rest of the world does not.

We believe in the rule of law and of the equality of all citizens before the law. This allows for a sense of security that most of the world does not know.

We believe in individual property rights and the right of individuals to acquire and hold property. Our law enforcement is charged with making sure those laws are followed. In many countries in the Middle East, there is no such police force to secure individual property rights - those rights are often not even well defined.

We also believe in a secular government with no interference from any religion. Regardless of any relgion's beliefs, they do not have the right to impose those beliefs on the country at large, only their own members and only insofar as those beliefs do not contradict secular law. At the same time, the government respects religious beliefs and tries not to interfere where religious beliefs do not trample the rights of citizens and those who are not members of the religion.

We also have a 2nd amendment which allows individuals to be armed against a tyrannical government. The governments of countries in which the citizens are disarmed have no fear or respect for their citizens and can impose often capricious rules at a whim - and do. Hence, the complete lack of security.

Winning over the hearts and minds of the people without having that basic infrastructure in place is insufficient to liberate the citizens. The biggest mistake the Americans can make in a Taliban-run country is to go in and try to help the citizens overthrow the Taliban but then not stay around to protect the citizens and put those fundamental elements of individual liberty and security in place and keep them there.

Unfortunately, the Taliban will not quit until they are dead. If we wound them but then leave, the citizens know full well that the Taliban will exact a terrible vengeance on anyone that even appeared to support the Americans or coalition forces. It is why most of the citizens cower in fear and why girls like Malala Yousafzai can be shot with impunity. She may be a hero but until she has sufficient support (in terms of brute force) to overcome the Taliban, her actions are in vain.
 
2012-10-11 10:41:00 AM

Hermione_Granger: I suppose it's only so many days before some Limbaugh Taliban supporter shoots Sandra Fluke.


Wow... Your post is quite possibly the most retarded post in this thread. Congratulations!
 
2012-10-11 10:42:39 AM
Go tell the apathetic whiny teenager liberal in your life to get a grip and be thankful
 
2012-10-11 10:43:35 AM

Blairr: sodomizer: Oh, she blogs for BBC Urdu? Surely there's no connection to Western intelligence agencies there.

fark you obsessively avantegard knee-jerk antiwestern cynical coonts.

There is nothing but virtue in giving the opressed a soapbox.

/fark you for thinking this could ever be justified. Goddamn libtards.


He's an idiot troll that just registered last month. Get this one on ignore early.
 
2012-10-11 10:43:52 AM

ronaprhys: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not saying that either of these suggestions are easily doable or should be attempted, but the fact is that one can stop all sorts of things via violence. The proper question is should one do so, and that answer depends on the situation.

That is some amazingly ignorant and short-sighted reasoning. Even ignoring the massive technical hurdles to committing age-targeted genocide on a scale that large in a part of the world that poorly connected it's sort of a child-like view of human nature that says you can just take a five year old after you've murdered his parents and reshape him without any serious and long-lasting repercussions. Not to mention the massive conspiracy and world-wide historical revisionism you'd have to commit to cover up your atrocities in the vain hope you could prevent some number of these children from learning that you're just as big a monster as the people you killed and having them turn on you anyway out of hatred.

My point being that your comment was insanely stupid on multiple levels and I'm not sure what compelled you to make it.

I've bolded a point that you seem to have missed. The truly stupid comment is the violence never stops/fixes anything. History is littered with examples of violence stopping and fixing all sorts of things. There is absolutely a cost, no doubt. That cost may be a higher price than just letting whatever crap is going on continue to exist, however, to ignore the fact that it can solve, stop, and fix things is plainly childish.


No. Bolded words aside, you presented your idea as a way that violence would fix the situation and VMP pointed out that your example was extremely flawed.
 
2012-10-11 10:44:01 AM
So while we have robots exploring other planets these misogynistic goat farkers are shooting kids whos only crime is wanting an education.... This is part of the reason why we can not look these goat farkers in the eye, and take anything they have to say seriously. If these Taliban assholes take their sky daddy Allah so seriously they should consider this, if she lives isn't that divine proof that your sky daddy supports her point of view and not yours?

//prays for the day humanity evolves past the need for a sky daddy
 
2012-10-11 10:47:05 AM

spacelord321: No. Bolded words aside, you presented your idea as a way that violence would fix the situation and VMP pointed out that your example was extremely flawed.


You cannot take it out of the context of the entire post. Those bolded words were important. If it could be implemented, it would solve the problem as everyone there would be dead. However, to say that this would happen without a cost is plainly silly, and that's part of what that bolded portion was about.
 
2012-10-11 10:47:32 AM

enik: Go tell the apathetic whiny teenager liberal in your life to get a grip and be thankful


Weaksauce. You sound apathetic and you can do better.
 
2012-10-11 10:48:30 AM

thelordofcheese: Intelligent, brave and a hottie. Plus, she's legal in that jurisdiction. Time to get a passport.


Not to mention that paralyzed teens with half a brain are that much easier.
 
2012-10-11 10:50:11 AM
This story was the topic of dinner conversation last night. Mrs. QsBlues brought up the subject and got all teary eyed as she relayed the story to our kids, the daughter in particular. My kids are by no means whiny or self absorbed, (well, the 6 year old boy is as self absorbed as 6 years old are; he's supposed to be that way at this age), but my daughter is very well rounded and mature for an 11 year old girl. She then got choked up and gave us hugs and kisses for all the things she has been blessed with, especially school. She's a straight A student, and at that moment, I was a vey proud father.

I'm all for freedom of religion; anyone should be able to choose how or if they want to be brainwashed and indoctrinated. But when it comes to shooting people in order to preserve a centuries-old ideal that no longer applies to today's world, the Taliban needs to be systematically terminated with extreme prejudice. Who the hell can reasonably justify shooting a 15 year old girl because she wants to get a decent education? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

/end rant
 
2012-10-11 10:51:02 AM

SuperT: what_now: SuperT: This is the sort of shiat I would like to see the fury and might of the US armed forces fix.

That...is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever heard.

You've got a group of violent, uneducated twits who think Western values are ruining the world. They have no educational or employment opportunities, and the people running things tell them it's because of the United States.

So...let's kill a bunch of them. The survivors will love us then!

Reagan farked this up. He left Afghanistan in ruins and allowed a generation of boys to grow up as hopeless orphans with absolutely no way of getting out of poverty.

You cannot stop hatred and ignorance through violence.

I didn't say, kill, I said fix. You know another group who can, on zero notice, be anywhere on earth in 24 hours ready willing and able to build civilization and are equipped to protect citizenry? All without a profit motive? If so, by all means, send them.


how exactly does the military build civilization?
 
2012-10-11 10:52:32 AM
/Came here intending to defend Christianity.... Leaving disappointed
//Screw haters of Christianity and slashies
 
2012-10-11 10:58:46 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: ronaprhys: Technically you can. Kill them all. Those who hate and are ignorant, in that specific area, would be dead. Therefore, hatred and ignorance would be stopped.

Another potential way to do it would be to kill everyone who's more than, say, 5 years old. Past that, take all of the children and adopt them into nice homes in relatively affluent areas. Socialization with the more civilized will take over their training and then you'll have pretty well adjusted folks.

I'm not saying that either of these suggestions are easily doable or should be attempted, but the fact is that one can stop all sorts of things via violence. The proper question is should one do so, and that answer depends on the situation.

That is some amazingly ignorant and short-sighted reasoning. Even ignoring the massive technical hurdles to committing age-targeted genocide on a scale that large in a part of the world that poorly connected it's sort of a child-like view of human nature that says you can just take a five year old after you've murdered his parents and reshape him without any serious and long-lasting repercussions. Not to mention the massive conspiracy and world-wide historical revisionism you'd have to commit to cover up your atrocities in the vain hope you could prevent some number of these children from learning that you're just as big a monster as the people you killed and having them turn on you anyway out of hatred.

My point being that your comment was insanely stupid on multiple levels and I'm not sure what compelled you to make it.


He's right, you're just too emotional to realize it. In fact, his idea is exactly how the Thuggee's in India were suppressed.
 
2012-10-11 11:06:46 AM

what_now: Dr Dreidel: // a bit weird that the Feds used the Alabama NG - a state-controlled militia - to enforce Federal law rather than the actual Army, but whatevs

Not weird at all- using the Army would be a violation of the Posse Comitatus act.

You can ONLY use National Guard troops inside the United States.


Oh. Right.

// not a lawyer
// obviously
 
2012-10-11 11:09:47 AM
From what I understand, Sandra Fluke takes a shot pretty much every day.
 
2012-10-11 11:13:34 AM

qsblues: This story was the topic of dinner conversation last night. Mrs. QsBlues brought up the subject and got all teary eyed as she relayed the story to our kids, the daughter in particular. My kids are by no means whiny or self absorbed, (well, the 6 year old boy is as self absorbed as 6 years old are; he's supposed to be that way at this age), but my daughter is very well rounded and mature for an 11 year old girl. She then got choked up and gave us hugs and kisses for all the things she has been blessed with, especially school. She's a straight A student, and at that moment, I was a vey proud father.

I'm all for freedom of religion; anyone should be able to choose how or if they want to be brainwashed and indoctrinated. But when it comes to shooting people in order to preserve a centuries-old ideal that no longer applies to today's world, the Taliban needs to be systematically terminated with extreme prejudice. Who the hell can reasonably justify shooting a 15 year old girl because she wants to get a decent education? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

/end rant


This is probably due to stone-age sexism more than it is "freedom of religion".

That's also why the locals aren't going to shiat about it. It's just a girl, they'll trade a goat for another one if needed.
 
2012-10-11 11:14:49 AM
Bullet in her neck? Patch her into the ship data stream and make her a hybrid
 
2012-10-11 11:21:21 AM

groppet: What a bunch of badasses shooting a 14 yr old girl that wanted to go to school. Just because she didnt want to be barefoot and pregnant. I really hope one day all these religious wackos around the world just off themselves or something.


They would never let her be barefoot... I mean, just the sight of her subtle feet could cause men across the region to stray with the temptation of a woman's (girl's) flesh.
 
2012-10-11 11:23:16 AM

factoryconnection: master_dman: In Islam.. about 10% are decent upstanding world citizens.
The other 90% want to kill everybody and force sharia law on everyone.

Using the Taliban, a group so extreme that most in Pakistan consider them scoundrels, as the model for all Muslims is quite a stretch.

But it is strange to think that a billion people worldwide will invite god's mercy on their soul by never tasting a beer or bacon.


See.. that's just the thing. You are trying to tell me that MOST muslims aren't like this.. but yet there were 10s of THOUSANDS of people in 30 countries that were rioting, looting, killing, and calling for heads over a frickin cartoon.

And even MORE rioting and looting and killing over a crappy movie that was so amateurish I don't even have the sarcastic words to describe it.

Where is the outrage and rioting over a 14 yr old girl being shot for going to school?
**crickets**

Pretty please tell me where the upstanding people of this muslim religion are?
**crickets**
 
2012-10-11 11:24:54 AM

ronaprhys: spacelord321: No. Bolded words aside, you presented your idea as a way that violence would fix the situation and VMP pointed out that your example was extremely flawed.

You cannot take it out of the context of the entire post. Those bolded words were important. If it could be implemented, it would solve the problem as everyone there would be dead. However, to say that this would happen without a cost is plainly silly, and that's part of what that bolded portion was about.


Not everyone is dead in your example. You left the children alive and, unless your plan occurs in a vaccum, the problem will resurface. I understand the point you were trying to make, however, you would have been more correct to kill the kids as well.
 
2012-10-11 11:29:10 AM

Dr Dreidel: H31N0US: Someone please invent a time machine so I can go back in time and smother Abraham in his crib.

Abraham? The one who, according to tradition, upset the applecart of polytheism in the first place (making him something of a liberal revolutionary for his time)? You may as well say that, to prevent Typhus, you want to go back and murder Typhoid Mary. It may alleviate some problems, but that one person wasn't the cause of (and won't be the solution to) your problem.

I think what you mean is, "I want to murder dogmatic religion in its crib".

// good luck, we're all counting on you
// alternatively, you could add a line to the Bible that says "But, for god's sake, think critically, and don't let transvestites with collars lead you around by the nose"
// funny thing - Deuteronomy kind of does say that, but apparently people took that to mean "Only listen to transvestites with collars when they promise you eternal salvation"


Sssshhh. Everyone knows that if religion vanished overnight, mankind would magically get over it's incredible desire to divide people into groups of us vs. them, and we'd all live togetehr and peace and harmony.

The human pondscum that do stuff like turn religions centered around "Seriously, don't be a dick" and use it to steal land from others, or incite people to murder, or prevent folks who love each other from being married, or who just like to control people, TOTALLY wouldn't jump to some other vehicle of tribalism. Like, say, nationalism. Nope. Totally wouldn't happen.
 
2012-10-11 11:31:39 AM

Valiente: thelordofcheese: Intelligent, brave and a hottie. Plus, she's legal in that jurisdiction. Time to get a passport.

Not to mention that paralyzed teens with half a brain are that much easier.


Although the paralysis is a distinct advantage, most teens only have half a brain.

/ wait! where are we going?
// and why am I in this handbasket?
 
2012-10-11 11:31:59 AM

master_dman: See.. that's just the thing. You are trying to tell me that MOST muslims aren't like this.. but yet there were 10s of THOUSANDS of people in 30 countries that were rioting, looting, killing, and calling for heads over a frickin cartoon.


Tens of thousands of Americans turned out to support Scott Walker's anti-union-ness - are all Americans anti-union?
Tens of thousands of Americans turned out to support Glenn Beck's 9/12 madness - are all Americans in the 9/12 mindset?
Tens of millions of Americans vote in American Idol polls - are all Americans AI fans?
Tens of millions of Americans turned out to support McCain's presidential bid - are all Americans pro-McCain?

"10s of thousands"?! That's as many as 100 thousands, and that's a lot.

// never mind a billion Muslims throughout the world - most live outside the MidEast - less than 1% are violent!
 
2012-10-11 11:41:44 AM

factoryconnection: There have been widespread protests in Pakistan against the shooting.

In Pakistan, evidently.


10:14am

master_dman: Where is the outrage and rioting over a 14 yr old girl being shot for going to school?
**crickets**


11:23am. It surprises me not at all that you have not read the thread.
 
2012-10-11 11:42:04 AM

Olympus Mons: Where are the normal people in these countries...this religion...seriously? If they can get all bent out of shape over a cartoon (like a bunch of 7 year old spoiled brats) or a crappy movie...where the fark is the outrage over something like this?


static.guim.co.uk 

The regional governor, Masood Kausar, said officials had identified the attackers. The local government has posted a 10m rupee reward for their capture.
 
2012-10-11 11:43:40 AM

spacelord321: ronaprhys: spacelord321: No. Bolded words aside, you presented your idea as a way that violence would fix the situation and VMP pointed out that your example was extremely flawed.

You cannot take it out of the context of the entire post. Those bolded words were important. If it could be implemented, it would solve the problem as everyone there would be dead. However, to say that this would happen without a cost is plainly silly, and that's part of what that bolded portion was about.

Not everyone is dead in your example. You left the children alive and, unless your plan occurs in a vaccum, the problem will resurface. I understand the point you were trying to make, however, you would have been more correct to kill the kids as well.


I did propose two choices. First was to kill everyone, second was to kill everyone over 5. Honestly, 5 was an arbitrary age - you could use 2 or 3 if you wanted.

It's a horrific solution either way, though.
 
2012-10-11 11:43:46 AM
"the Taliban is not our enemy."
--joe biden, zero's V.P.
 
2012-10-11 11:46:12 AM

factoryconnection: factoryconnection: There have been widespread protests in Pakistan against the shooting.

In Pakistan, evidently.

10:14am

master_dman: Where is the outrage and rioting over a 14 yr old girl being shot for going to school?
**crickets**

11:23am. It surprises me not at all that you have not read the thread.


*snert*
 
2012-10-11 11:48:18 AM

master_dman: factoryconnection: master_dman: In Islam.. about 10% are decent upstanding world citizens.
The other 90% want to kill everybody and force sharia law on everyone.

Using the Taliban, a group so extreme that most in Pakistan consider them scoundrels, as the model for all Muslims is quite a stretch.

But it is strange to think that a billion people worldwide will invite god's mercy on their soul by never tasting a beer or bacon.

See.. that's just the thing. You are trying to tell me that MOST muslims aren't like this.. but yet there were 10s of THOUSANDS of people in 30 countries that were rioting, looting, killing, and calling for heads over a frickin cartoon.

And even MORE rioting and looting and killing over a crappy movie that was so amateurish I don't even have the sarcastic words to describe it.

Where is the outrage and rioting over a 14 yr old girl being shot for going to school?
**crickets**

Pretty please tell me where the upstanding people of this muslim religion are?
**crickets**


See factoryconnection's link above. There are protests in Pakistan against the Taliban for this shooting.
 
2012-10-11 11:54:14 AM
Oh no!! Republicans don't like abortions!! They want people to pay for their own birth control!! It's a war on women! Malala Yousafzai: what a real war on women looks like.
 
2012-10-11 12:01:33 PM

ronaprhys: spacelord321: ronaprhys: spacelord321: No. Bolded words aside, you presented your idea as a way that violence would fix the situation and VMP pointed out that your example was extremely flawed.

You cannot take it out of the context of the entire post. Those bolded words were important. If it could be implemented, it would solve the problem as everyone there would be dead. However, to say that this would happen without a cost is plainly silly, and that's part of what that bolded portion was about.

Not everyone is dead in your example. You left the children alive and, unless your plan occurs in a vaccum, the problem will resurface. I understand the point you were trying to make, however, you would have been more correct to kill the kids as well.

I did propose two choices. First was to kill everyone, second was to kill everyone over 5. Honestly, 5 was an arbitrary age - you could use 2 or 3 if you wanted.

It's a horrific solution either way, though.


Rereading your initial post you certainly did. My mistake. Obviously both options have blowback in the long run when considering international memory. I consider this a continuation of the initial problem, not a new problem to be dealt with at a later time.
 
2012-10-11 12:03:18 PM

ShivaHVishnu: Oh no!! Republicans don't like abortions!! They want people to pay for their own birth control!! It's a war on women! Malala Yousafzai: what a real war on women looks like.


This is your argument? Because the GOP is not shooting little girls in the face, we can't complain about their treatment of women?

You're right. The Republican party is not as bad as the Taliban. Yet.
 
2012-10-11 12:06:41 PM

spacelord321: Rereading your initial post you certainly did. My mistake. Obviously both options have blowback in the long run when considering international memory. I consider this a continuation of the initial problem, not a new problem to be dealt with at a later time.


That's definitely part of the cost equation. That's why I later posted that I couldn't come up with a situation where this might be warranted. Not saying that it couldn't happen - hell, it could be bad enough that the entire international community basically agrees to this. That, however, would have to be a seriously farked up situation.
 
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